>Framework is releasing a keyboard that will kill the Logitech K400Linus did it again. Haters die mad.
What possible use would I ever have for this ewaste.
>>108656007I normally shit on consumerism but this keyboard is great for TV setups
>>108656007upgrade for the k400, which is used primarily for HTPCs but I use it for my server since I can just chuck it in a drawer until I need it
The K400 trackpad is truly shit, glad there's finally an alternative
>>108655996>>108656019>no numpadinto the trash it goes
>>108656035use for a numpad if you aren't an accountant?
>>108655996Lmao framework at it again releasing inferior product, kek.I like the volume control buttons on logitech k400, I am using it right now.
>>108656019Literally the only place I've seen these is camwhores
>>108656047Keybinds
>>108655996Tell your indian CEO that I'm not downgrading from my K400
Perixx also have a large choice of keyboards with touchpad or trackball. But they are on the cheap side and most are US layout.
>>108655996lenovo trackpoint ii keyboard is better and more compact
>>108655996Upgrade in what way?>>108656019 actually shows that the new shitwork keyboard is objectively worse in every way.>no trackpad buttons>no volume adjustment keys>no second LMB>retard meme brand logo in place of the windows key>meaningless number indicators>some sync key suggesting it's a shit bluetooth device
>>108655996Nice, but I see no reason to upgrade from my K400 after 8 years. I also haven't needed to replace the batteries in several years and I use it daily. The only 'issue' is the cheap feel of it.
>replaces the numpad with a sloppadwho is this made for? physically disabled people?
that's gonna be a no from me, dawg
>>108656156how often are you doing numeric entry on your television
>>108656172Nta, however I have a bash script menu that allows me to simply click a number to go to whatever I program that number to go to instead of using a mouse and clicking around like a literal fucking nigger.
>>108656019I love this keyboard I have used it a lot and still use it in bedI now also own this one that feels like typing on a cloud
>>108656172how often do you disconnect your mouse to use an external trackpad?
>>108656118>no trackpad buttonsyou tap the left or right>no volume adjustment keysonly legitimate complaint>no second LMBuse case?>retard meme brand logo in place of the windows keywho cares? it's just Super anyway>meaningless number indicatorsit shows what device it's connected to>some sync key suggesting it's a shit bluetooth deviceit can connect via usb, bluetooth, or a usb dongle
>>108655996>Framework is releasing a keyboardIs the trackpad going to be shit? The trackpad for the laptop (13 inch anyways) is such a fucking disaster I can't believe they charge for that piece of shit.
>>108656253I only use the clit on my keyboard and I suspect this is for a similar market
>>108656019>upgrade for the k400you mean downgrade. it's like nobody at Framework even used the K400 line and just told some LLM to copy it just shittily. that left mouse button is the difference between the K400 and all of its copies, and the thing that makes it comfortable to use as a TV keyboard on your lap.
>>108656019>make right shift smaller (or remove entirely)>shrink left shift a bit>make up and down arrows full sizedwala
The only upgrade for k400 would beTitanium / alu. case (light weight metal)Keep the shape round so it's comfy to hold in handsMechanical switches (not clicky something very quiet)Apple tier trackpad trackpad.
>k400too bad you don't have the far superior k830
>>108656428>>108656378>>108656308Trackpads are garbageThe yellow click button on the left is great but the trackpad doesn't have a mousewheel, so it completely ruins hand position
>>108656428too bad you don't have the far superior tk820
>>108656465>trackpad doesn't have a mousewheelOf course they don't. Take your meds. And the K400 trackpad is meant to be used with your thumb when it is on your lap which is why buttons are placed where they're at and why the trackpad doesn't go all the way to the corner. Try clicking the corner of the Shamwork trackpad and the whole keyboard will rock around
>>108655996This looks straight ass. Why use a trackpad when a trackpoint can make do? There's only like 3 manufacturers that make keyboards with a trackpoint--Lenovo, Tex, and Unicomp. The inexpensive ones used in server racks are complete ass, Tex models are too expensive, and Unicomp went full retard by not adding a middle scroll button. The only solution is to wire your own, unfortunately.
>>108656047gamingbut I wouldn't do that on a laptop anyway
>no dedicated media controls>not even dedicated function keysI am typing this from my Framework 13 which I like, but what the fuck is this garbage? What is the point? It's literally just the Framework 13 keyboard in an external chassis.
>>108656278>you tap the left or rightAbsolute retard monkey behavior started by apple. Dedicated buttons are superior.>use case?It's a portable keyboard you can use while holding standing up. Control the mouse pointer with your right thumb and click with the left.
this is better actually
>>108656572There's picrel but it's long out of production.Also some chink mechanical keyboard manufacturer had one with trackpoint but mouse keys position was full retard.
>>108656015riitek mini-keyboards, though.
Disgusting.
>>108655996Shit, I've actually been wanting a nice keyboard for use with the PC attached to my TVWonder if Framework and other companies are going to try pushing (linux) HTPC again, open alternative to all those proprietary streamer boxes and such.
>>108656792>riiloggerayylmao
>>108656681How does it fare compared to a thinkpad keyboards? I don't have classic keyboard autisms, so I don't mind it being 6-row chicklet.
>>108655996>squashed cursor keys>>108656681>*tilt foot breaks*
>>108656840Any evidence of this?
>>108655996>not the true model m layoutyou losers just keep insisting on horrible ideas holy shit. where's the numpad, asshole?
>>108655996>half size up/down arrow keys>full size left/right arrow keysIt's shit.
>>108656465two finger drag = mousewheel>>108656472>no physical left/right mouse buttonsinto the trash it goes
What the fuck. They literally just took the keyboard from the Framework 13, took the trackpad and turned it 90 degrees, and put them into a chassis. No physical mouse keys, no separate media keys, nothing. The K400 shits all over this.
>>108656100>>108656681Rec me more with non fucked arrow keys like this AND pg up/down
>>108656035>>108656156>numpadFreak.>>108656609>>108657303>mediazmk firmware>>108657338>non fucked arrow keysmicrosoft all-in-one media keyboard ?mushy keys. no ctrl button on right side of keyboard.
NON-BACKLIT???NO BACKLIGHTING??????????I'll wait for the next model.
where is the numpad
>>108656047Engineering
>>108656308completely correct opinion
can't wait to see it on chaturbate
>>108655996>>108656428>>108657449If they made this a backlit keyboard, it would be a worthy successor to the k830.I don't know why Logitech hasn't released a updated version or continued the production of this model, it's now like $100 to get one of these keyboards used.It would be probably better than a Logi anyway since it wouldn't require their Unifying software in order to work. Non-BT wireless is an evil choice if your devices support BT peripherals natively. The only justification for wireless stuff without BT is if your device is so old it can't install and run drivers for a USB dongle or something, otherwise there's no excuse in this day and age for that bullshit.
>>108656007Probably none, but I like media center keyboards due to the inbuilt touchpad. It'd be nice to have one with good keysprings.
>>108655996any keyboard with a track pad should have it at the bottom like a laptop desu
Am I the only one that hates the mushy keys on the k400?
>>108656681I cant find them anymore, scalpers on ebay sell it for $300
>>108656007It's for home theaters, per their advertisement.Supposedly, you can make it an "all in one" a la the Rasp Pi 400, but I might be misreading that and their images don't give the impression you can stick a Rasp Pi (or one of their motherboards) into it.It's got a USECASE?.meme of couch-typing or needing a bluetooth, USB, wi-fi connecting-to-4-PC's set-up (I know a workshop that uses shitty logitech keyboards that need dongles, being able to just connect with bluetooth and switch would make their 3-4 Logitech's eWaste over 1 keyboard that can do 4 connections).>>108656047Writing numbers? 7,000,001,532 is easier on numberpad than reaching above qwerty, IME.
>>108656279The "haptic" is (supposedly) "better than the MacBook Pro!" but we'll see if that's just spiel or not when beta testers pay for it.
>>108656555So I can scroll with the thumbs with that?Because if so then it would b very comfyHate the two fingering scroll
>>108655996If it has Windows multi-touch gesture compatibility I'll buy two.
>>108658713The Steam Deck's one-thumb rolling clockwise/counter to scroll up/down on their trackpad(s) is nice. I don't know why they haven't given that to the Linux kernel to have touchpads gain it.I guess due to most trackpads being huger than the two the Deck has.
>>108656100based, never buying from that jeet company
>>108655996>>108656019>>108656472>>108656555>>108656681so many cucked keyboards itt... picrel should be the bare minimum>normal size touchpad with mouse buttons (not the nipple bullshit)>normal size up/down keys>menu button that acts like right click on the currently active control, not necessarily where the mouse isI don't care it doesn't have a numpad because I use it as a remote control from my bed, my primary keyboard has a numpad of course.
>>108656047Numpad is highly useful in Blender
>>108658649>trackpad in the waythat's the main reason I refuse to use laptops
>>108659018That's a pretty interesting layout. ISO Enter key + normal US left shift. Arrow key are full height but thinner so the right shift is a bit more usable. Extra bottom on top right of the arrow keys for symmetry. ? / got kinda cucked though.
>>108656428i have this and mine started connecting/disconnecting in a spasmic fashionopened it up but couldnt see any problemshalp
>>108655996that one looks like it doesnt have backlight.if thats the case then its dead on arrival.
>>108659057the long shift for EN is indeed weird, but ISO enter makes sense considering all the EU languages it's available in
Lenovo!Please!Bring this keyboard back for the love of God!
>>108656792i have through my live bough 3 of these and the last one was a month ago and i was debating of buying a cheaper Chinese one ( i know these are Chinese but they do have a slight brand markup of 2-3 euro ). SO far everything Framework has had 40-50 euro markup on cheap shit and up ot 500 euro markup on mid range. I do not know who the market for Framework is: if you want to pay brand tax just get the rii
>>108655996At least it has fn lock, but defaulting to those retarded key combinations that aren't even scancodes like K400+ is extremely annoying. Insert on same key as delete on the other hand, no thanks. And is there even a proper ISO variant, or will it be like those fucked up König piece of shit keyboards that end up lacking vital keys and having other in bizarre places?
>>108655996Fucking finally, the K400 is hot garbage.I had pic related for over 10 years, but lost the dongle for it, so I had to buy a K400, and it's worse in every way, I'm still mad.
>>108659024>>108658018>>108656592>>108656080you are all the perfect audience for a framework laptop because none of you are smart enough to read.
>>108658711>hapticIs it actually solid state? The Framework Laptop 13 uses the most dogshit piano hinge (or whatever you want to call it) ever designed by man (or in this case man-adjacent creatures).
>>108656100Based noticer. Doesn't matter how good it is, not buying. If anything, short the company instead.>>108660125I like the look of this one. A shame most dongles aren't interchangeable.
>>108657261>I NEED a numpad on my wireless keyboard meant for controlling media centers
>>108656681>>108659123Does not seem wide enough to go on your lap, and you can't hold it in the air and use the mouse. Still k400 for me
>>108659108>considering all the EU languages it's available inIs the model really called Trust Veza? I can't find a single website selling an AZERTY keyboard version
>>108660125>Can't get replacement dongle for gay microsoft keyboard. Shits on Logitech because their users can get replacement unifying dongles for about $10 and can keep using up to 5 more devices with that same fucking replacement dongle. Keeps on typing. Clicky-clack motherfucker!Abandons you once they cum in your asshole and steal your mon-eh. You deserve Microsoft, you're their perfect rape target in every way.
>>108657197tilt is actually for retirees that type with one finger
Linus won.
>>108655996I didn't even know there were wireless keyboards with a trackpad on them What could the usecase possibly be?
>>108655996>>108656019Does it even have a left hand click button, like the green one above the escape k400? Must have right? they openly said it was built to replace the k400
>>108664695no but it has 2 dip switch to set capslock to send left click or right click
>>108656019I use this and it works well enough for my usecase
>>108655996looks neat but i dont see pricing for it anywhere? it cant kill the K400 if it doesnt match it in affordability imo>>108656035retard alarm
>>108663968All sites I checked only show the EN layout on photos, but when I bought mine, the correct layout was in the data sheet, and sure enough, it's the layout I wanted. Best I can suggest is to ask the stores about it.
>>108664629they started being made/marketed for use with htpcs when those were bigI use one for my server since I can stick it in a drawer when I (seldom) need to access it physically and don't have to keep a spare keyboard/mouse around
