I think that's good. Why did they have to make everything black though.
>>108656825>intelstopped reading there, there's no reason why a laptop being released in 2000+26 should have any processor that isn't ARM. Let me know when they can release a laptop with a real laptop processor and not a castrated desktop chip
>>108656863There is no way you get 20H on 74wh with intel cpu, why the fuck they blatantly lie about this shit?
>>108656825> copying aluminumApple is on N+2 already.
>>108656909>he doesn't know how efficient the new Intel series chips areOH NONONONONO ARMsissies, this can't be real!!!
>>108656841People like black.>>108656863I’m a macfag but maybe Intel is kind of back: https://world.hey.com/dhh/panther-lake-is-the-real-deal-4bd731f1> Intel really delivered with Panther Lake. A 2026 Dell XPS 14 using this chipset with an IPS screen can hit just 1.4 watts of idle power draw on Omarchy. That's good enough for over 47 hours!! And in real-world mixed use on another 74-Wh machine, I've seen around 16 hours of battery life. That's a huge jump over the ~6 hours I was getting over the past two years from AMD-powered Framework laptops.
>>108656977>>he doesn't know how efficient the new Intel series chips areSure, buddy I would trust this nonsense if it had like 90-100Wh battery.
>apple invented aluminum Jesus Christ macfaggots are so insufferable
>>108657120you're delusional. apple set the standards of hardware quality, design of the aluminum shell that every other competitors CLEARLY imitates.
>I can upgrade my regular 13 to the pro spec
Release a sub $600 laptop with an arm processor then we’ll talk. Otherwise I don’t care.
>>108656841the pro (and all its individual parts) also come in silver
it's an aluminum alloy.
thunderbolt 5 yet? not getting one till they have it
fruity ahh nigga
>>108657334Still 4 unfortunately.
I can't stop consoooming frameworks. Can't find any LPCAMM2 memory anywhere though, shit doesn't exist.
>>108656825Nice. Aluminium is premium.
>>108656825It's funny how in Fagtodon they still have comments seething about them supporting "nazis" because they donated (?) to Omarchy and Hyperland, and don't put gay flags everywhere.>https://fosstodon.org/@frameworkcomputer/116444361503194969While people in xitter are asking normal questions about the product.
>>108657383Not really aluminium is pretty cheap, full titanium would be premium.
>>108656825They should use clear plastic, would fit the idea of being able to swap the innards.
>>108656825>Apple invented aluminum chassis >>108656863You realize you can put a ARM motherboard in it?
>>108657188>$2400I still don't see why you should trust this meme company rather than lenovo/(any other business laptop) and get a modern thinkpad. It sure wouldn't play to some people's tinkering autism, but just buy what you would need for the next 5-10 years. Hardware wouldn't jump that high in the next years especially, and when they do you'd need to upgrade all the components to benefit. You wouldn't feel the difference anyways unless after +5 releases.Thinkpad got everything they market to an extent, minus the changeable IO. The difference is that Thinkpads can be bought cheap after some generations get released, and its parts are easy to get.And most people will just prefer buying a macbook bro at that price. Are framework even making any profit or its just LTT's money? I don't say it's not cool, but coolness wouldn't keep you in business (ask Sun).
>>108656863Framework champions itself as a brand for linuxfags, and Qualcomm has absolutely garbage linux support. It's even worse than Apple in this regard.
Holy fuck lol. I bought a new pc last fall and I thought I got raped on the ram paying almost $400 for 64 gigs.
>>108656825Framework quality control is shit. It feels like they are still beta testing their products. Something is always breaking on my device and their customer support is shit.
>>108656825Can it gaem?
>>108657595the good thing is you don't have to get the newest mainboard, you can use an old one, and just get the chassis upgrade, which gives you the increased battery capacity. lose out on the battery improvement in the pantherlake cpu tho
>Incel touch designFinally, a laptop for /g/.
>>108656863They have an ARM motherboard option. Though right now it only supports Ubuntu LTS.
>>108656841>Why did they have to make everything black though.That's been one of the most requested colors. People want something than silver/grey.I think the better question is:>Why only the Framework 13?They have a "12" and "16" why the FUCK is the 13 the only one getting a less shitty chassis?
>>108657344>UbuntuNo wonder that Jeet funds a nazi.
>>108657595Yeah, their parts beyond the chassis and motherboard are a scam. You can generally find the RAM, Drives, and do your own (if you have a 3D printer) expansion cards for cheaper.
>>108657416Magnesium, bro>>108657442This
>>108658403I wish they'd do a really cheap true "barebones" kit that's just the chassis and mobo, BYO CPU, RAM, storage, etc. Just give me an aluminum chassis, decent display and controller, mobo, and I'll buy the rest based on my needs/budget. I do like the idea of something that's extremely modular, upgradeable, and easily repaired though. My next laptop will likely be a framework if my 2020 LG Gram 17 ever dies. (40GB DDR4, 2X2TB m.2 NVMe SSDs, 10th gen i7, 17" 2560x1600@60Hz IPS display, the Iris Pro igpu is the only "weak" part of the system but I don't do any AI or gaming on that machine. It also weighs almost exactly the same as my 14" Thinkpad T14S Gen 1 ultrabook while having a full size keyboard and a larger, brighter display)
>>108656863sars, intel is very good
>>108657696Their support line is utter shit. But the most galling thing is:>They still haven't acknowledged the first batch Framework 16's have thermal issuesNot even TechTubers that suck them off have acknowledged it.
They’re certainly copying Apple in price…
>>108658457>I wish they'd do a really cheap true "barebones" kit that's just the chassis and mobo, BYO CPU, RAM, storage, etThey do...?"DIY option" is that...? Just select "none" to anything that has that option.The only thing you need to buy is the CPU/motherboard option and the chasis along with the keyboard (and touchpad module, I think. Image is the 13, might be different on the 16 and 12 where I know for a fact the 16 has no touchpad all-in-one with the keyboard).But you can completely barebones it.
>>108658671Hahaha, what a joke of a company! The cheapest ultra 5 setup with 16GB RAM, 500GB SSD, Windows 11, and a power adapter costs $1751.Kek, this company is going nowhere. It’s only $100 cheaper if you take out Windows. Apple is now the affordable company, roflmao.
>>108656825>apple invented aluminum chasisChrist you are one pathetic idiot.
>>108656825Still using the cuck cards I see... Either have a decent port selection or make a decent dongle, that's just embarrassing.Also:>IntelLmfao
>>108657442Also this. Lean into the gimmick, don't use fagluminium
>>108658846Literally what's wrong with these?
>pic related was loved for laptops>somehow >>108658846 is bad tho
>>108656825>20h batterycan it really? From my experience these claims are usually bullshit. Lenovo kinda got good recently wit 8h on the e14 g5 and a very quiet fan but it heats up a lot when its being used. I doubt framework can do better.
>>108656825You said now twice.
>>108658796Other big companies can have it cheaper because they get their parts in giant quantities, and have better relation with suppliers. I think framework isn't even talking to the source suppliers but rather some middle men who need to take their cuts also.
I want this (pic related) not this >>108658846
>>108656977>efficientintel just made them slower than the iphone chips
>>108657696>>108658553Yeah, expected. Other big manufacturers have decades of experience and hundred of experts in every field working for years before the launch. While framework is just some indian guy and his frens trying to do something different. If they continue, I think in 5-10 years they will be in the same level of big players like lenovo and dell. This release is way better than the last. And it shows they can improve.
>>108658846niggas be hating on anything.
>>108657003check out the benchmarks and the price, panther lake is not even in the M5 territory of performance but it costs like the M5 Pro, you can buy the M5 macbook for less and get better performace or you can get the M5 Pro macbook that costs the same but completely obliterates pather lake laptops in any workload.
>>108657344stop fucking saying ahh
The only reason people don't typically copy good ideas is copyright which is obviously bad for consumers.Producers need to copy good ideas more and people should not look down on them for making something that combines all good elements,original or not.
>>108659001People on this board just hate apple, because it won't run their pozzed linux. They don't hate other companies like google,nvidia, amd, ibm, redhat who contribute to linux kernel. Let them burn their money on framework scam who cares.
so what's their screen tech ? can only guess it's not OLED
Ultrabooks have oscillated between magnesium (lighter) and aluminium (what Apple fags expect) for decades by now.
>>108657471>minus the changeable IOWhich it doesn't need because it comes with actual I/O and not only four USB-C slots for their proprietary USB-C dongles. I love how Framework shills keep pointing to their I/O that's worse than those USB-C only Macbooks. Meanwhile my ThinkPad has all the I/O I'd need right there out of the factory and rarely, if ever, will I need a USB-C dongle to expand it.
you can count all the americans itt because they can't spell aluminium correctly
>>108657403Yeah masto has a fag problem. But at least you know its somewhat organic because there is no alghoritm stuffing it in your face'
>>108659025>>108658846>>108658671>>108657471>>108656825post beef
>>108656863enjoy your locked down incompatible slop
>>108657471Lenovo is overpriced shit, way more expensive than Framework unless you're in the US. Also they have FN and Ctrl thr wrong way
>>108656863You meant RISC-V processor
>>108659354>way more expensive than Framework unless you're in the USThis is a lie>Also they have FN and Ctrl thr wrong wayThey have it the right way. Every other manufacturer is wrong.
>>108656825looks good for the price.the thinkpad t14 gen 7 is now available for configuration and ordering and something close to the framework is around 25% more expensive for me.lenovo are pricing the x7 cpu and the memory real high.
>>108657595Yeah. I built my 14900K rig end of 2023 and it was $309 for the 64GB 6600mhz RAM. I thought it was nuts but I had not built a PC since 2011. Crazy to see how that same RAM goes for $1200 at the moment.
Unrelated but does someone know what manga is this?
>>108656825>the ultimate developer laptop>only 1 fanGG NO RE
>>108656977intel processors have always been "power efficient" when severely downclockingthe downside is that they run at like 400 MHz while doing so
>>108656825Framework keep shitting out new products are so incapability of fixing firmware on all their boards they keep releasing updates that break things even moreThey even released a statement they were going to do better but their software is still plagued by horrible bugs and out of date security patches
>>108656863>armyou're fucking cattle if you want that on your devices, doubly so if you fell for the propaganda about efficiency when that's entirely down to silicon process nodeif you want a non x86 isa then it should be risc-v
>>108658891They are bulky which makes the amount of ports too few. They need to work on making some combo ports on their cards. For example a 3.5mm audio jack and usb-c port should absolutely be on a single expansion card rather than having to use two slots to have both.
>>108659090assuming they just using the same "upgraded" ips screen they release awhile back
>>108656825>base version with 16gb ram and 500gb ssd costs almost 1.8k euro bucks>base M4 MBA with 16gb and 256gb ssd costs 850 euro bucksAre repair trannies out of their mind? Like, you can buy two Macbook and keep one in the box for the off-chance of something happening to the first and it'd be still cheaper.
I thought they used alu body for long
>>108658796Why would you buy one of these and not source cheaper parts from alternative stores?
>>108656825yeah cause apple patented aluminium. neck yourself troglodyte.
>>108661579Why? The body already has a headphone jack, how many do you need?
>>108659419>>108661512>risc-vThe best risc-v chip, is weaker than a raspberry pi 4.
>>108660330That's an issue of Weekly Shonen Jump. The character seems to be one od the protagonists of Blue Box.
>>108656863228V is good, shut up
>>108659001>>108659025Maybe grass is greener, but I usually use my m5 mbp as a moonlight client. It draws 15w in use (7w at low brightness, but I usually use it outside) according to its self report, and dies in 8 hours. I am not happy with my m5 mbp.
>>108661897Now that I look at it more closely, it does look like Chinatsu.Good catch anon, thanks.
>>1086620191000 nits of brightness will probably eat your battery pretty fasthave you checked what your wattage use is when you’re using it outside?
>>108657595That's 64GB of VRAM though. You can't compare VRAM with regular RAM
>>108656863>Buy arm device>Closed bootloader>Can only use woke corpo slop OSARM is the worst that happened to personal computers
I'm debating whether or not to buy a new framework 13 pro or one of the new thinkpads coming out this year. I need a laptop that works well with linux, can do some light gaming (mostly tf2) and good battery life that can last me the entire day. Money is not a problem and I'm willing to shill out a lot of money for a framework if I get a quality product.
>>108656825>haptic touchpaddisgusting
Duh it was founded by former Apple employees.
>>108664497Unironically, don't buy framework, it's overpriced shit >>108658796If you go for lenovo/dell you will have more spare parts than anything framework, the new XPS lineup looks clean.Apples M5 pro 16 inch is still the best laptop you can buy atm.
How is it for gaming?
>>108658796you're not just buying the laptop you're also funding the upgrade and repair ecosystem. If you just need a laptop yeah it's a poor value proposition, there's probably a thousand better options. It's mostly for people with disposable income who want to support repairability and upgradability
>>108656825> ultimate developer laptopLOL… pop OS is a disaster. Nobody needs this clone. Picrel is the original/real ultimate developer laptop.
>>108656825Framework needs to be dissolved
>>108656863based
>>108656825lobste.rs is mad that their cancel culture campaign isn't workinghttps://lobste.rs/s/0rzs0d/framework_laptop_13_pro_intel_core_ultra_3
>>108658846>Intel>Lmfaocounterpoint
>>108657403>trannydon
>>108657403NAZIBOOK 13 PRO
>>108657403> I'm not going to buy, and no one should, a Framework computer unless Framework declares that they do not accept any discrimination against LHTBIQ+, queer or transgender people.
>>108657120>>108657462framework themselves compared their new chassis to macbook pro in marketing.but you can keep coping and seething
>>108667469I too can write a fake dialogue box saying my laptop is at 15% with 69h remaining but that doesn't change reality.
>>108668398I guess only time will tell then
>>108656825what is the actual "ultimate developer laptop" if I do gamedev? just buy some gamer junk that costs ~1200?
>>108668651The ultimate developer laptop is not. Buy a desktop instead.
>>108668825I have a desktop, but I travel for work for ~2 week periods many times throughout the year
>>108657403These "people" genuinely think that they represent half of the tech community lmaoThank god framework isn't listening to this low iq mob, at least for now
>>108656825>"Apple for freetards" copies the real Appleyawn
>>108668872Personally, I cannot get meaningful game dev work done on a laptop. But I'm doing 3D, which means blender, which means I need an actual mouse and full size keyboard. If you're just doing 2D then you really don't need anything crazy.
>>108656825>apple invented aluminiumThe mind of the iToddler.
>>108668944isn't it expected you bring a kb+m with you everywhere? what the laptop comes with is last resort
>>108664612>power button just above backspace>tiny up/down keyswho designs this shit
>>108669000A small portable mouse maybe yeah, but a full sized keyboard? No that's just annoying. But I like to pack light when I travel. These modern trackpads are pretty decent actually too. Not a replacement for a mouse obviously, but the multi touch smooth feel is light years ahead of those shitty Dell/Lenovo trackpads from 10 years ago.If you're staying like 2 weeks away from home it makes I guess.
>>108669018half-size up/down arrows are fine as long as the left-right arrows are tiny toot. Mac user who thinks that the big-side-arrows meme from Johny Ive was retarded
Easily the most important company in this laptop market. Anyone shitting on these has no clue what they're talking about
Seriously considering picking one of these up, I'll wait until the preorder phase is done though. Maybe I'll look for any savings on an ssd and that ram to save a few shekels.
>>108671652I would say to wait until the first few batches go out so that you know what problems the laptop might have. Framework users are pretty vocal about their issues and some will DIY solutions and share it with everyone else.
I wanted to preorder the new model, but The site keeps declining my card. It's probably because it's from a serbian bank and I'm ordering it in germany. For some reason I've only had this issue with framework.
>>108658980>>108660586If you need a laptop, get a laptop.If you need a desktop, get a desktop.No, your MacBook is not good enough to do both because it can't even support enough monitors.
What I don't understand is why they offer pre-assembled units, but only with Windows preinstalled.
>>108669381honestly I wanted to get a framework laptop but its just too rich for my blood. Ended up getting an old origin laptop (Evo 15s 2022)
Testing to see if I am IP range banned
Real talk, why do all of you care about CPU power efficiency so much? When are you ever more than two hours away from a power outlet? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely wondering if you guys are all compiling code in the woods or something.
>>108672500You aren't
>>108667254>Few comments>Big madYou're not very bright, are you Anon?Or did they delete comments?
>>108672360Most people could use an extra Windows license and it’s nice (for them) to be able to install Windows and make sure everything works with Windows as a way to test stuff
>>108658380honestly what other distro would they go with>>108659008mad ahh blud
>>108656825pretty sure they've been doing the alluminum chassis for a while now, the new one is just black instead of silver>>108656863serioiusly wtf. almost preordered til i saw this
>>108657442i've seen people try to 3D print translucent cases for the framework but it apparently comes out too flimsy. not that it's an unfixable problem, but it probably not worth it to them to redesign the internals to add more supports to make this viable
>>108664188no it's not lmao
>>108657344Pen pineapple apple pen
>>108658846they need to at least have a usb-c port built in if that's the way you have to charge it. i guarantee there have been people who didn't read carefully, skipped a usb-c port, and then didn't realize until they unboxed the thing that they couldn't charge their computer
>>108656825>Rectangle with rounded corners patent infringement sadge
>>108668398 there aren't that many panther lake laptops on the market yet but yes in terms of battery life these chips are pretty darn amazing.also found this test:https://www.notebookcheck.net/43-hours-battery-life-Dell-XPS-14-2026-lasts-almost-3x-longer-vs-MacBook-Air-15-M5-in-web-browsing-test.1262947.0.html>43 hours
>>108656909Its real but they're two generations behind apple in single core
I'm impressed
>>108674898https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/gaming-laptops/weve-been-getting-around-two-days-of-normal-work-out-of-it-proton-ge-dev-gloriouseggroll-and-cachyos-offer-early-praise-for-framework-13-pros-freakishly-good-battery-life/>This isn't the only satisfied Linux user to date. The official X account for CachyOS, an Arch-based Linux distro, also praised the Framework 13 Pro laptop. Besides highlighting the machine's build quality, they also write that "battery life has been the biggest surprise.">GloriousEggRoll also praised the machine's "freakishly good battery life," but CachyOS goes on to make an astounding claim. The official account shares, "On CachyOS, after some extra tuning with Intel-LPMD, we’ve been getting around two days of normal work out of it—mostly programming, chatting, browser use, and terminal work. That’s honestly incredible."
>>10865855313s definitely had thermal issues, i know because I owned the 1st gen third batchnot sure if this new gen willI have a 2nd gen 16 and it doesn't have thermal issues. i went out of my way to wait for the 2nd gen knowing some bullshit would be afoot
>>108656825what is this Plasma theme?
>>108657144>hardware qualitymaybe screen panels and audio, but apple laptops are the only ones with routine catastrophic hardware failures from my experiencegpu dying on 2010-2013 models (3 different laptops), lipo battery also swelling in 2010 destroying the case and io, wifi being knocked out by external monitor interference in 2018 model. all known faults, not one offs.dell/hp/lenovo business series or even the cheapest poverty tier acer pc usually just works until and after the case has been completely trashed. you have to buy some constantly overheating gayman trash and fill it with hair and dirt to see a gpu die.apple cheaps out on shit users don't normally see.
>>108673891This still doesn't explain why it's *mandatory* for prebuilt configurations when literally all they have to do is skip a step. You don't need to install Windows to do a hardware test.
>>108657144>you're delusionalmacs have:>soldered SSD/RAM/WLANdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 yearsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05 on a dedicated chipdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)doesnt exist on 99% of PCs>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replacedoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen timesdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)doesnt exist on 99% of PCs>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcamdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flightsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware acceleratorsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keysdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>keyboards with 63.5% failure rateunheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any goodthis list goes on foreverthere's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter booksthey are the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones
>>108675324can you genuinely kill yourself? at first this copypasta was funny but it's been around since march 2025 and it's lowkey embarrassing now that you faggots overuse it
>>108674297oook eek EEEEK ook ook
>>108656863>worse performance>worse compatibility>worse battery lifewhy the FUCK would anyone go ARM unless you're apple and actually have good ARM processors?
>>108656863ARM is gay, also nothing wrong with intel. There's an AMD variant but the Intel is the one with LPCAMM2 modules which is whats nice. You can actually put any board you want in it though including their ARM board.
>>108658969I dont have single device anymore that I can connect to these old timey ports.
>>108675364>>108657144>apple>hardware qualitycan you genuinely kill yourself? at first this copypasta was funny but it's been around since 2005 and it's lowkey embarrassing now that you street shitting subhuman curryniggers overuse it
>>108656825Stop the presses. They added the "Pro" moniker too!? For all this excitement about slotting in new parts, I'd rather buy something once and use it a long time.
>>108656909>watt hours = watts * hours>74wH = watts * 20 hours>watts = 74wH/20Hso this thing uses 3.7 watts on average?
>>108661512>when that's entirely down to silicon process nodegalactic copehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom
>>108675643You're such a boring sperg you can't even come up with your own banter, embarassing
>>108675298>were now bringing up problem from 10 years ago as some sort of gotcha>Dell>HP>examples of ((((((((good)))))))) qualityUnfathomable levels of cope or retardation
