>bro your battery loses capacity over time>so just lose 20% capacity permanently right from the beginning why are they like this. why can't batteries just be replaceable without have to perform surgery on your phone
>>108657543>why can't batteries just be replaceable without have to perform surgery on your phonestop being antisemitic
>>108657549FPBPHaving an easily repairable phone means they can't siphon money out of you by making you buy the latest phone instead.
>>108657543Lose 20% from the beginning, or permanently use 50% faster.
You're not going to be away from power enough for that 20% to matterJust carry a power bank if you think you'll be using it that much
>>108657962>Carry a battery for your batteryYo dawg
>>108657988reminds me of that one>if /g/ made the iphoneimagehooray for convenience, just staple a bunch of wackass converter peripherals to add real functionality until you get old portable phones anyway
>>108658049Thankfully I still have that image kek.
>>108657712When this stuff gets tested the differences are minimal. Like 1000 charges to 80% saves you less than a percent capacity at the end of it. I made those numbers up I forget the real ones, but it was shown to not be even remotely worth it. Just charge your fuckin phone, most of these myths come from the days before every battery had a decent BMS which protects overcharging and discharging, and probably some other advancements I don't really know. Not relevant to modern tech, only the cheapest of chink garbage or really old stuff.
>>108657543classic yurocuckoldry
>>108658232It does work. My ex's phone got down to something like 89% after just two years and mine was still at 95%.
>>108657543lion battery longevity depends on voltage range you cycle it. theyre giving you the option to cycle it less so it lasts more whats wrong with that.people have been asking for that for years, on my old rooted lg a decade ago i had to use a third party app for that but it also allowed me custom ranges like set it so it charges up to 75% and doesnt start charging until its down to 65%
>>108658237EU is about to ban non-replaceable batteries.So for us "Yuro's" the problem will be fixed.
>>108658232Even if it's just 1%, charging to 80% is more than I need on a normal day.And when I go on a trip I charge to 100% and then I want every bit of capacity I can.
>>108658069someone posted this meme on twitter and all the normalfags chimed in saying they would love it.
>>108658532Nope, there is a loophole for phones that are IP67+ rated and have batteries that last at least 1000 cycles.Both apple and Samsung flagships from the last 2 years meet this standard already.All the law is really going to do is increase the price of midrange phones and likely kill the low end market in Europe until they amend the law to ignore ultra budget devices.
>>108658568>goy you don't want replaceable batteries
>>108658568Genuinely feels like every regulation in tech is just big companies pulling up the ladder behind them. Laws that only big rich companies can afford to follow while staying in business
>>108658500also depends on the charge rate (the current) the lower the better
>>108657549>>108657549>>108657684But they are
>>108658568>Apple appears to be pushing back on the specific of the new requirements.>"There may be a slight conflict between durability and maintainability,” ," Apple SVP Hardware Engineering John Ternus said in an interview on the German YouTube channel Orbit. “You can make an internal component more maintainable by making it discrete and removable, but that actually adds a potential point of failure.>Ternus went on to highlight the iPhone's IP68 rating as something that an easily replaceable iPhone battery would compromise, stressing that there are "high-tech adhesives and sealants to make everything waterproof."Thanks, Apple.
>>108658558Kek as always. Yet when some device comes out that serves niches, it flops and sells horribly.
>>108657543Companies let the user choose because marketing your device as 4000mAh rather 5000mAh isn't good for advertising.Most people will not the see effects of battery degredation anyway as they change phones every 2-3 years.Wouldn't want to effect their repair centre profits either.As for the science itself. 20-80% is 0.20 cycles vs 20-100% is 0.80 cycles (approximate guess). Imagine a balloon you fill with water. Yes you can fill it all the way to the top but it's more likely to pop than if you filled it just 80% of the way. You lose some capacity but you gain longevity.Not to mention keeping your phone at 100% overnight is worse for the battery, which is why various forms of charging modes have been introduced. Most people charge overnight.Depends on how much you use your phone as well and if you can be bothered charging it an extra time during the day to 80%, often 10-30 minutes depennding on the charger etc.Otherwise just leave it stock.
>>108657543It's useful if you keep a device plugged in for long periods of time (mostly applies to laptops I guess, or phones charged overnight where it hits 100% and then stays there for many hours) or if you plan to use something for a long time and don't need the entire capacity at once anyway.For example I have an e-ink device I just use for reading. It already has long battery life, but the battery is not removable. I'd rather cap it to 80% and avoid degradation as much as possible, charging it to 100% would not change how I use the device in practice at all.>>108658568Ah yes, making the back cover removable and not fucking gluing the battery in place is totally going to kill cheap phones.>>108658589Yeah bro, only big tech can afford to not glue the fucking battery in, uh-huh.
>>108659294>It's useful if you keep a device plugged in for long periods of time (mostly applies to laptops I guess, or phones charged overnight where it hits 100% and then stays there for many hours) or if you plan to use something for a long time and don't need the entire capacity at once anyway.It's why there's three options. You can have it charge 100% all the time, only charge to 80% all the time or optimized where it will only charge to 80% until the time that you actually need it (so you leave it charge overnight and it will go to 100% sometime around when you wakeup).
>>108658257no, yours was always at 80%, which is lower than her 89%
>>108657543I will be using my ZenFone 10 until 2032 at least and I doubt there will be any way to service the battery and I don't want some JEET hackjob.This anon is right >>108657712
>>108658257Probably from using it more, or from some other differences like maybe she has a tendency to leave it in the sun or some shit. Impossible that it made that much difference in that amount of time as per all objective testing. >>108658547It was less than one percent. You will never get any benefit from it. Waste your time and mental energy if you like but just understand that you are wasting your time and mental energy.
>>108658257So after 2 years of proverbially cucking yourself you saved 7 percentage points of charge? So, since you limit your max charge to 80%, you're effective running at 76% design capacity now...Assuming a linear degradation pattern (unrealistic i know but let's go with it for simplicity) you'll have more effective charge after 5.7 years...(https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=100+-+%2811+%2F+2+*+x%29+%3D+0.8+*+%28100+-+%285+%2F+2+*+x%29%29)So unless you plan to keep your phone for over 6 years, there's little point unless for the one or two occasions a year where you deliberately deactivate the limit...
>>108657543EU solved this
>>108657543>why can't batteries just be replaceable without have to perform surgery on your phonewater and dust resistance its a worthwhile tradeoff imo. it takes like 20 minutes to open a phone and swap out the battery its not even difficult. just stop being a retard
>>108657543>Charge limitersSo all the people who were saying that phone batteries secretly report 80% charge as 100% and report 20% charge as 0% to improve battery lifespan were bullshitting? If not, why is a software charge limiter necessary?
>>108659689it's because it's better to market something as an active feature the customer can interact with and feel like he's winning, than a passive hardware design feature that an engineer put in out of pure pragmatism, which was maybe already there. also, i'm pretty sure it's not really possible to discharge to a literal zero, since the voltage would drop below the required minimum needed to power the device well before it reaches that point. so the charge percentage reported is not really meant to represent the precise physical charge state of the battery anyway, because that's not a particularly useful metric as far as using the device goes.
>>108658589Your feeling is misplaced. Instead of looking at what is really happening, you're inserting in delusion. The regulation is being crafted by EU government, that famously absolutely is loathing and seething about America. The commies in EU absolutely hate America. The regulation isnt designed to give Apple more money, its designed to give them votes so that there's the appearance of doing something good while actually harming choices on the bottom end of the spectrum where margins are razor thin to negative.
>>108657543>why can't batteries just be replaceable without have to perform surgery on your phoneThey will be starting from 1 january 2027 thanks to the European Union and if you don't live in one of the EU member states you'll still enjoy the benefits thanks to the Brussels effect.
>>108657543they should just make it so that I can bypass the battery altogether and use my phone as a plugged in computer which only uses battery when unplugged.
>>108659689This 80% is on top of the normal headroom.
>>108657543Look I cannot force a modular design nor the right to repair. But if I could, then your phone would never have that problem and every shithole country which is stealing everybody's jobs (jobs dont work like this, but it does because the people 'stealing' the jobs intentionally lock everyone out of the job so they can be paid abnormally high, their hellscape of an environment becomes a reality because they act in unison, suppressing the correct ideas)every shithole country would be making a lot less money.
>>108657543>so just lose 20% capacity permanently right from the beginningIf you want to max longevity you shouldn't discharge too deep either. Only using 20-80 SOC is common. So make that 40%
>>108657543Me xperia vi lasts 3 days with just 80% and charging it at 15.
>>108657549Please ,if you can stop mixing Jews everywhere pleaseIt distracts from sources of problems and actual introspective criticismThank you>>108658069Not really,there are phones that can run Linux, just remove the bad parts of it
>>108659126Not yet?
i charge my phone from 40% to 60% and its enough to last me a day
So what are you eurotards going to do when you realize all flagships are still using sealed batteries? >>108658568
>>108657543I'm waiting on the EU to fix this shit. If my headphones start yelling at me to recharge at 10%, do i REALLY have 10% left?
>>108657543>why can't batteries just be replaceableSoon they will be but only in first world countries.
>>108657543If your new phone needs that extra 20% already to get to the end of the day your battery is undersized for your needs and you're fucked no matter what. If you have an appropriate sized battery this feature is actually really good.
>>108660750Sounds fine. At around 100 cycles per year it's gonna last me longer than software support.
>>108659294>Ah yes, making the back cover removable and not fucking gluing the battery in place is totally going to kill cheap phones.>is clueless
>>108657543Didn't someone test a bunch of different phones and their battery health by charging in different ways and it didn't show much of a difference years afterwards regardless what you do?
>>108661017anon your headphones aren't your parents telling you to get a job.>yellingyes, you really have 10% or less left and instead of just powering off you get to elect to be annoyed by things that shouldn't even affect you
>>108657543it's not a problem to make battery easily swappable, nor is it hard to make it last longer (it will cost you some capacity to have more cycles tho). it just doesn't generate as much money in the grander scheme of things. there is occasional clueless drone such as yourself making complaints but it's just noise.
>>108658568I used for years an ultra budget android shitter that came as a bonus when I bought a microwave. You know what it had? A replaceable battery.
>>108660120can't newer samsung galaxys do that with bypass charing? it's the only good thing they've got going for them.
>>108662905Mine does it.... https://www.gsmarena.com/zte_nubia_z60_ultra-12751.phpBattery is still a trash experience.
>>108657543>>108657712>>108657962Had a Galaxy S23 Ultra from the beginningIn just a year people where complaining about battery issues. I was at year three with the majority of charging being to 80/85% and my battery is still in very good shape with no weird drainage issues or crashing.
>>108657543Since I'm not a normie faggot I don't buy a new phone every year. Still running a Galaxy S10E with the original battery. You can go look up how old that phone is. Battery still runs great, goes plenty of time without charging even when heavily using youtube and playing music with no access to a charger.
>>108657543>why can't batteries just be replaceableWe're getting therehttps://www.techradar.com/phones/the-eu-requires-phone-makers-to-fit-readily-removable-batteries-from-next-year-but-there-may-be-a-notable-exception
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>>108658568Europeans frequently get cucked by these two companies.You wanted that flagship with Snapdragon? Too bad, Exynos it is.You wanted that cheap Apple dongle because everyone told you it's amazing? 0.5vrms for you fucks specifically.
