in light of recent technological events and the socio-economic persuasion of their new leadership, what is a valid alternative to this?
>>108658516>le indian woman was put in charge so I need to abandon shipShe hasn't even done anything yet. You're the same as the libs who melted down about Trump on day zero. Just wait bro. Unlike Big Fat Donald there's actually a chance of her getting removed if she does a bad job.
install gentoo
>>108658636There's really no scenario where this leads to a positive outcome, debian has been in steep decline ever since they became a systemd-only distro and also ditched GNU/Linux from the name after stallman got canceled.
>>108658516Void
>>108658516Devuan
>>108658636Debian's been getting worse from political shit for a long time. It's not an instant thing. It's not just starting. It is far enough things like losing their KDE lead have happened and their packages have languished. The pajeet's just the current low point on the trendline.
>>108658516There is an existing thread:>>108625631>>108625631>>108625631>>108625631
>>108658516NEH
>>108658636Those two are very different levels of severity. People actually cried and screamed during the 2016 election, this is significantly less emotional and more like "it's going to get worse, so i might as well abandon ship now". I do agree it is an overreaction and it's better to not fuck off. You can only run away from problems for so long before you run out of places to go.
ok so i'm actually a tranny but I can say this:i warned you all ages ago, like 7 months ago that debian was wildly insecure and maintainers are lleaving without being able to be replaced. I've been using Debian since I was 13 years old, and I'm 24 now, and I left it for OpenBSD lol.Like, libssl is even losing its maintainer I think? This goes upstream to ubuntu and everything else that copies debian btw, ubuntu shitters literally pull from debian main.The biggest thing that hurt debian was everyone wanting to fork it for no fucking apparent reason. Why does Linux Mint exist. Why does Trisquel exist. Why Ubuntu, why Crunchbang (back in the day) and so on.Not only that, but you have luddites/boomers who are so aggressive to AI even when you go out of your way to spend time verifying shit end to end wil instantly deny your PR because "muh LLM", even though it literally provably solved a problemOpen source is hostile to newcomers for no reason, we go out of our way to be polite, to adhere to the standards and take time to read the documentation, and what do you get in return? Belittled by people like ebussy. I mean seriously. I know I'm fucking completely alone if I have any issuse in software. None of these maintainers are going to helpme, and Debian certainly is losing all of theirs.Bonus points, you can fuck with their issue tracker RIGHT NOWhttps://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/debian-maintainer-criticizes-managed-bug-tracker-as-outdated-for-modern-developmentYou can CLOSE, MOVE, DELETE, REASSIGN bugs on the tracker with zero authentication and spoof anyone you want. Because it uses fucknig email.
If debian so much in deep shit - why pop_os still sitting on bubuntu?
>>108658636what's the point in reasoning with retards? let the whiny faggots go away, its great to see the guiable get filter'd. they'll come back.
>>108658516I hate you all retards oh my god. Just go back to windows. Retards who start using Linux out of culture war retard shit need to be purged
>>108658962Good post, but why on earth did you start by announcing that you’re a tranny. On the internet no one cares, and you’re only going to get YWNBAW for your efforts.
>>108659510>Go back to Windows if you don't want Indians in chargeAnon...
>>108658934>things like losing their KDE lead have happened and their packages have languishedThis is more telling of Debian's decline than the new DPL. At least Chandran was democratically elected.>>108658962>OpenBSDUnironically not sure I want to use an OS without Wayland in the big 26.>The biggest thing that hurt debian was everyone wanting to fork it for no fucking apparent reasonThe reason is that Debian does not cater for desktop users. It needs to have separate releases for server and desktop, with the latter taking care of the basics like Ubuntu used to.
>>108659573>At least Chandran was democratically electedShe ebay sniped the nomination and it wasn't made readily apparent to the voters that another prospective candidate was hospitalised during the nomination period.
>>108659588But she was questioned on the mailing lists during the election period. There was nothing stopping a majority of DDs from voting NOTA, and given her responses I'm surprised they didn't.
>>108659606>she was questioned on the mailing listsSruthi doesn't even read the mailing lists and her new job is literally to communicate on them. Debian Developers don't read it either, hell less than a third of them even cast a ballot.
>>108659616>less than a third of them even cast a ballotIf she crashes the plane then maybe next time they will. If there is a next time.
>>108659573OpenBSD does have wayland in -current though, I've used it with labwc just fine. Xenocara is also comparably secure.
>>108658516Queen Sruthi won. Stop seething chuddie.
>>108659648>XenocaraIt's not just a matter of security X.Org does not support TearFree on my hardware. But thanks for the tip.
>>108659674But seriously, I think they let here be the DPL because no one wants to deal with the bureaucratic shit. Debian devs are the real leaders.
>>108659685Why care about shit like this? Let me know when machines running debian stable start getting remote RCE'd, despite being fully up to date then I'll be concerned about it. Or something like xz-utils happens again. You people who make shit about race in foss are so asinine. Linus Torvalds himself acts diligently to keep politics of all sides out of the kernel.
>>108659573Why do people think OpenBSD guys are anti-new luddites? OpenBSD's main concern is security and simplicity, so as to reduce the attack surface. If fucking systemd or electron apps were well-written and secure, you bet your ass OpenBSD would use them.https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2023-matthieu-wayland-openbsd.pdfNotice something in the slides? OpenBSD devs have caught onto the fact that Wayland is more secure than X11 and possibly Xenocara. Expect wayland to become the default on OpenBSD in the next few years.
>>108659682Consider Modesetting
>>108659710>Why do people think OpenBSD guys are anti-new ludditesI don't. I just need Wayland.>Expect wayland to become the default on OpenBSD in the next few yearsNice.>>108659718I did. It still tears on my hardware.>inb4 turn off fractional scalingNo. This makes my system unusable.
>>108659682>X.Org does not support TearFree on my hardwareInstall XLibre. TearFree still won't work, but you'll stick it to the trannies.
>>108659731But have you tried disabling the compositor? (Alternative: Try the compositor, pkg_add picom)
>>108659535This benchod is the true problem with Microsoft. Not Microsoft itself, but the dalit hiring other dalits that care about nothing but izzat.
>>108659734rofl>>108659736To be clear I am getting tearing with X.Org on Linux. I haven't tried Xenocara/OpenBSD. But I'll keep that in mind if I ever do.
>>108658962I'd like to use OpenBased but I really like using ZFS and Docker/Podman
>>108658959>"it's going to get worse, so i might as well abandon ship now"So it's more like when he won the 2024 election then?
>>108658516write your own OS>Windowsgoyware>Macgoyware>Linuxsystemd detect-fashsystemd verify-agedbus, snapscreen tearing
>>108661705>-ACK!Not so fast, kid.>BSDperfect
>>108659520He's drawing attention to the fact that even though you would expect him to be ideological aligned with the new Debian lead, he still thinks it's a bad distro.His post was actually good, so people just moved past the fact he's trans without comment.
>>108661705>systemd detect-fashAnyone can just make PRs saying anything, you know.
>>108658516Any linux distribution that doesnt employ systemd.
>>108658962Good post.>The biggest thing that hurt debian was everyone wanting to fork it for no fucking apparent reason.I genuinely wonder that. Is it because Debian is a very stable base for making your own distro? I can see stability being an important upside if you want a beginner friendly distro, something that won't break after an update? But then other distros are doing fine without witholding updates for two years, hell, rolling distros are being used by normies without issue right now.Or was it a long-standing posture on non-free software? But then they changed that policy on 12, way after Ubuntu and Mint existed.Maybe it was a want to focus on desktops; having stable, high up time rather than newer software is more important on servers than home users, but then Canonical become more focused on servers (where the money is) and Ubuntu stopped being so important for the desktop market.Or maybe it's just the nature of open source, to fragment because of different world views on how to handle a project.Debian's ethos and reason to exist sound so quaint nowadays, built in an era that doesn't really exist anymore.>Open source is hostile to newcomers for no reasonI understand FOSS devs being overworked and unpaid, but holy shit the absolute acidic behaviour of some devs is unwarranted.
Fedora, OpenSUSE, Arch, OpenMandriva, Slackware, Mageia, ...plenty to choose from
>>108660579If you like Podman and don't mind using FreeBSD instead of OpenBSD, check out this: https://blog.hofstede.it/podman-on-freebsd-oci-containers-without-systemd/I've yet to try it but if this allows me to use some of my containers on BSD I might do the switch.
>>108658636Why would you wait until the ship hits the iceberg to start planning how to escape the impending disaster?
>>108663006Because it isn't a ship hitting an iceberg, it's a distro potentially making poor choice about its future.You have the ability to reject distro updates, and your ability to start using another distro isn't impeded by waiting until something actually compels you to do so.You're already on Debian, so it's not like skipping updates for a month or two is really going to make much difference.
>>108658516I think you will like openSUSE.
>>108663006The only reason you want to leave is that she's a woman and non-white. That's it. Like sure the election could have been handled better but that's a problem with the bureaucracy, not the OS itself, and it's very possible that she does a fine job during her tenure, after which she's replaced by someone else.
>>108658636The fact that she was even considered for a leadership position means it's already over. She should never have been allowed anywhere near the project in the first place. You'd have to be absolutely retarded to stick with Debian after this.
>>108664161ok groyper
>>108658516Void. It's the only logical choice for the straight white man.
>>108658854>also ditched GNU/Linux from the name after stallman got canceled
>>108664096>The only reason you want to leave is that she's a woman and non-whiteThose are good reasons.
>>108664096>The only reason you want to leave is that she's a woman and non-white.Yes.
Debian is now the Canada of Linux distros. Sad.
>>108664096>The only reason you want to leave is that she's a woman and non-whiteAnon, even i'm not white and would not want a shitskin in charge. Especially a fucking Indian.
>>108664199>>108664202>>108664212
>>108664221I don't care about American politics, but nice try.
Why the fuck was there one candidate? It's ridiculous they didn't take the """election""" down.
>>108664230NTA but my favorite thing about trump lovers is how fast they abandon him when called out. Like they know it's meaningless to defend Dump Daddy Donald's actions, or even those of anybody in his orbit. They turn into "enlightened centrists" and disappear like octopuses escaping in a cloud of ink.
>>108664249>Why the fuck was there one candidate?can't risk a white man winning
>>108664249>>108664259>if a white man doesn't have a chance of winning them the election is automatically invalidIf she had to run against a black woman, a latina woman, and a trans woman, you would have said it was rigged too because they didn't give you the option of voting for a white man. And then if there actually was a fifth candidate who was a white guy, but he didn't win, you still would have said it was rigged. Anything but the total extermination of women and non-whites will never be enough for you. So why should anyone give a shit about your opinion?
>>108664249The guy that was expected to take over had a medical emergency and was hospitalised so these sneaky jeets forced a vote while he was in the hospital. Go look it up if you don't believe me. Absolutely abhorrent behaviour but unsurprising.
>>108664307White men (and a few east Asian men) have created all that is good in the world. Obviously normal people want them in charge instead of a random collection of incompetent freaks.
Just use nix. There's occasionally some weird politics but you know it's solid because Palantir, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin rely on it to drone the fuck out of foreigners daily. It doesn't get better than that.
>>108658646Anyone working on some sort of harness that would allow you to use LLM + documentation + your whims to build your preferred configuration of Gentoo?Like, you give it ssh access and generate a well defined step-by-step guide, it does the Gentoo install for you.
>>108659674It’s Desian linux now.
>>108664328>more incoherent ramblingOk nazi, good luck with your concentration camps. I hope you kill a lot of "MS-13 illegal alien terrorists" or whatever you call enemies of the state these days
>>108658516It's a free operating system. The inside politics don't affect you at all. By using their system you're not putting a single dime in their pockets.There's something fun about the fact that they're practically giving you a free platform on which you can be a chud and rail against their insane policies.
>>108664496yes, it's very funny to be pushed out of workforce by identity politics, so I can ls, cd and mv all day. fucking hilarious.
>>108664379DEIbian?
>>108659502>that pic, like pottery saaaaaar
>>108664515I don't see what this has to do with my comment.I didn't say identity politics are okay. What I said is that the identity politics of the Debian project don't really affect you at all as a user. You were never going to be paid to contribute to their project because they're volunteers.Which is the point. You can use something they put in their effort to create without being paid in order to bash them to your heart's content.If you're at the just "ls, cd, and mv" stage then, well, that's a skill issue on your part.
>>108658636Ryan Routh was right...
>>108664566>I don't see what this has to do with my comment.What it has to do with your comment is that it's not just Debian. It's everywhere.
>>108664250>everyone must be americansaar please redeem the debian
>>108664496>It's a free operating system. The inside politics don't affect you at all.If they hire based on politics and ideology instead of skills it will definitely affect regular users as the quality will be lower. It also discourages skilled programmers from contributing if their site is plastered with troon propaganda. Imagine what kind of person you have to be to let a woman like that take over. If you are advocating to ignore the problem you are not really better than them. Fuck you man.
>>108664576I get that. And it's worth pushing back against. But I guess what I'm getting at is that pushing back is better done through anti-woke advocacy, via exercising your free speech and whatnot. In terms of being a user, you're a drop in the bucket so using something else really isn't doing much except leaving you with a less effective system.To me it's kind of like the free software fanatics who refuse to use anything except *completely* free systems that don't have even the tiniest bit of proprietary software on their systems. I mean, sure, they're sticking it to the bigger distros by not using them. Except not really.Remember, most people are using Windows and Apple, which are already woke. When they dip into using Linux for whatever reason, they reach for what's already in wide use. Refusing to use what's there isn't changing anyone's minds.
>>108664625>If they hire based on politics and ideology instead of skills it will definitely affect regular usersI mean, it's largely a volunteer project...
>>108664496i bet this argument hits really hard if you're around 90IQ
>>108664496It does actually. I like to donate to projects I like, but if I see DEI nonsense or funds being diverted to Women or India trips, I withhold my funds. In fact, I'm actually less likely to engage in the project at all even as a user.
>>108659703Are you retarded?>tripcodeAh of course Sruthi's whole platform was pushing politics in Debian. Wanting more transgender (explicit) and Indian people (implied with comments). If you think it's just because her skin in brown you literally haven't been paying attention and need to kill yourself
>>108664657Brainlet take. It's not my fault you're too retarded to understand what I'm getting at.>>108664658Which is the right way to do it.Whether you use the system has no affect on anything. You're literally just benefiting from their free voluntary labor. You're not a consumer. You're practically pirating their hard work in an ethical manner.Its your donations that really matter. Throw your money behind projects that do reflect your beliefs and don't give a dime to shit that doesn't. But that doesn't mean you have to use the projects you donate towards until they're ready.
>>108664496Were you asleep for the past 10 years or something? We've seen what happens over and over already. They gain power, start kicking people out for being too right-coded or White/cis/etc. They fill their ranks with people who agree with them or look like them and the whole thing goes to shit. You can't just keep pretending like it's 2014 again and "what's the big deal". So many projects have been ruined by leftist nepotism and they love censorship more than the chuddiest of chuds. They fact XLibre is actively barred from being a package on most distrobutions AND the wiki gets taken down, and all the midwits here can do is go "heh well he made some bad commits" rather than acknowledging the aggressive censorship. And on the other side, if a chud made Nazi Linux or banned trannies/indians explicitly they'd be kicked off hosting platforms and aggressively censored and attacked in real life. If they had a job before hand, they'd get doxxed and people would call their employer to fire them.Again, we've seen this happen countless time, and for things WAY more minor than 1488Linux, so yeah I don't want more of that you dumb fuck.
>>108664221I still find it funny how leftists post memes like this and don't get why an increasing number of normalfags don't like them.
>>108664713The xlibre case isn't censorship, it's just common sense to protect your users from a project lead by a retarded nocoder.
>>108664713propaganda, no.enough. no thanks.
>>108664713You sound like a reasonable, well-adjusted person who isn't at all driven by chud rage.
>>108658516My policy is to always choose a distro maintained by big, serious, boring companies with enterprise customers and LTS agreements instead of one maintained by terminally online volunteers. In practice that means Ubuntu or Fedora. That's not as restrictive as it sounds since they both have lots of flavours. For Fedora that includes some interesting atomic options.(Yes I know Ubuntu is downstream of Debian. No it doesn't affect my argument. If there's drama with a Debian package Ubuntu will just ship their own version instead.)
>>108664096I don't mind that she's a woman. But yes, I want to leave because she's Indian.
>>108665968She’s also disgustingly fat, which is unacceptable for any woman.
>>108658516>in light of recent technological events and the socio-economic persuasion of their new leadership, what is a valid alternative to this?i'm out of the loop, what happened?
>>108666008Debian developer elected an Indian woman, Sruthi Chandran, as the discussion moderator and community outreach representative. Anons are freaking out because it reminds them of how little they have accomplished, while some Indian goddess receives praise, love and esteem from a community of her peers.
>>108666018Until she eventually kills herself.>https://disguised.work/debian/list-of-debian-suicides-accidents/
>>108666018>worshiping pajeetayou need to go back
>>108666044You lost, tranny
>>108666530>being this transparent on internetdebian really is dead
