C was created by an American while C++ was made by a Danish Man.
>Java>Rust>Canada
What languages did India make? China?
>>108658951why is everything made by the same couple countries?
>>108658951I'm more surprised the Danish are so influential in programming. I feel like the other Nordics aren't as represented by comparison. Do Danes just have the perfect blend of Nordic autism and German autism?
>>108659037denmark colonised the other nordic countries
i think danish people should be barred from creating programming languages in the future. php, typescript, and c++ all from the tiny country of denmark.
>>108658951Curiously there’s not many C++ positions in Denmark
>>108659021inventing stuff isn't their thing. they take someone else's inventions and make them cheaper.
>>108659037Typescript and C# is the same guy, Anders Hejlsberg. Danes are vastly over represented in a lot of technical fields however.
Every programming language is English.
>>108659071Actually jeets take someone else's invention and then make them into poop
>>108659021it's insane how tiny Denmark's contributions outclass all 7 billion people in Asia and Africa, yet Rust trannies want to flood Europe with negroes
>rustPottery
Danish people shouldn't make a programming language, they should first make a human language that isn't gibberish.
Seeing this you’d think the board would fanboy ruby a lot harder
>>108658951is fortran for trannies? serious question
>>108658977>>108659394What's wrong with being created in Canada?
>>108659442>if you keep your cock and balls, your enemies win
>>108658951Rust's biggest individual contributor is probably Niko Matsakis, who is an ethnic Greek.
>>108659311based
>>108658951>C++>TypeScript>C#world was made worse by these three
>>108659311How does a girl like that wind up developing programming languages for the US DOD, mind boggling.
>>108659391Europe deserves it.
>>108659537Housework, or rather the process-thinking and procedural nature of it, made women excellent programmers.
>The worst languages have their origins in CanadaY'know, maybe Trump was right about invading them
>>108659537Ada Lovelace =/= Grace Hopper
>>108658951If OP's pic is true, then I don't like Canada as much as I used to.Java *and* Rust. Eugh!
>>108658951>all the shittiest languages made by AmericansUh, bros?
>>108659777Cope. Cobol is objectively the worst language on that list. PHP and Ruby are the only things. Closely worse. Then you have other shit like JavaScript and Swift (American). Objectively the USA makes the worst languages.
french fags unite!!prolog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Colmerauer>prolog became the standard-bearer of logic programmingocaml: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Leroy>was the only usable functional language for yearsada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Ichbiah>strong typing championeiffel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Meyer>introduced contract programming
>>108658951Any of you habibis willing to try an Egyptian language?https://ring-lang.github.io/
>>108658951Fenno-Swede coup de grace
>>108658951Where's lua?
>>108658951What? So if a movie director go to America and direct a movie there does it is an American movie or a foreign movie?
>>108661517>gate keeping sub standard programmers out
>>108659071Jeets make things more expensive while lowering the quality. They're rent seeking parasites. That's why all the companies they take over stop improving their products and force people into subscriptions.
>>108658951based Netherlands>>108660494C is incredible. outdated now, yes, but it's influential for a reason
>>108660636>forgetting coqhonteuse!
>>108658951>Java>Go>Rust
>>108660636prolog is very fun to play around with
>>108659442yes
>>108658977Explains a lot, really.
>>108659037norwegians hit oil, so they dont innovate shit(there is no need, this will be their downfall), and swedes are all sub 80 iq subhumans going on about BLM and stuff.finns are retarded but in a cute way, but yeah, still retarded.
I mean Bjarne might as well be an American, no? Bell Labs was where the OGs came from. C# says Denmark but it’s an American (Microsoft) language. I get it that Danes have some top tier programmers but let’s not pretend that any innovation can come from Europe. Bureaucracy kills any semblance of progress and creativity. They’re all America
>>108661878bjarne actually got a lot of the ideas for c++ from the norwegians who made simula
>>108659022We're just that good.
>>108661626BRAZIL MENTIONED
>>108658951>C++>TypeScript>PHP>C#Truly, nothing good comes out of Denmark.
>>108658951>JAVA and rust are canadianAdds up, both are pure aids>Python, the death of all is dutch
>>108659311*German
>>108659311even apl?
>>108658951America used to be awesome.>>108658977Leaf here, sorry.
>CCursed Amerimutt language
>>108662890Shut your fucking mouth
>>108662895Make me, Tom Sandoval
>>108662927If I find you, I will dip q-tips in shit and put them in your ears after beating up your dad
>>108659037>I'm more surprised the Danish are so influential in programming.been like this forever. great education system.
>>108659808Ada blew it all on horses...
>>108662959Cool dogs too. Scooby doo was the man
>>108662874>America used to be awesome.still is in some ways but most americans turned into docile pacifists that let corporations offshore your awesomeness to people that'll do the job for 1/10th of the cost. it's over.
>>108659808Grace Hopper didn't create a language. I guess Ada's father Lord Byron had Pentagon contacts, he was after all involved in military operations against the Turks.
>>108662890it is a pretty bad language overall, still better than most other languages somehow
>>108658977The suffering will continue until the us annexes us.
>>108658951Lua
>>108658951>JavaScript and Clojure both made by an AmericanTotal burger victory.
>>108662647C# is really good, it's only real problem is microslop.Typescript is the best attempt at fixing JS. Although it was in vain, JS should be forsaken.PHP was good for that time, but should now be retired.C++ same as PHP, but 2017 edition was kinda good. Still a bit too verbose, special chars overused again.
>>108663752C# is too hard to make performant. Even with Burst or IL2CPP it's far inferior to C++.TypeScript is good.PHP should never have been published.C++ has a lot of good parts and you don't have to use the parts you don't like. All languages should use RAII (deterministic) instead of non-deterministic garbage collection.
>>108658951>Java>made in Canada
>>108663727>JavaScriptI only forgive him for unleashing it on the world because he was trying to give us a better internet.
>>108660636All good languages; some of you guys are alright.t. Anglo.
PHP has nothing to do with Denmark. if you listened to 25 years talk, author remembers cold weather compukter deprivation of yearly ages.so, the PHP is Greenland=>Canada + Russia. but those country geo doesnt makes much sense. its a viking langauge, an explicit C runtime in the future.
>>108663824Who told you that? It was created in crazy rush, rolled out half baked and riddled with bugs. It's creator hated it. JS devs hate it. Users aware of it hate it.It should not exist. Unfortunately if replacement will happen, it will very likely be something like LISP.So let's just keep the JS, it's not bad if you think about it.
>>108658951I deeply apologize on behalf of all Dutch people.
Why is Britain underrepresented here? We are supposed to be the superior race of the world.
>>108658951Why no African countries?
>>108664760Haskell should be there. Also a lot of language research occurs in the UK. I think Bjarne was studying there when he created C++.
>>108659037Erlang was mostly Swedes and Brits.
>>108664776Yakub stole them all and gave them to white people
>>108661647>C is incredible. outdated now, yes, but it's influential for a reasonC is horrible. C is only incredible for the number of bad design decisions and bugs, and that they blame everything on the programmer using the language instead of fixing them. You only think it's "incredible" because C shills lied to you and you think C "invented" things that actually came from older languages like PL/I and Algol 68.
>>108659493>ethnic GreekBut this is mostly it, and the problem with lists like these. A statement like "Python is Dutch" is mostly true solely in some old design stage. All these projects became global in no-time due to the Internet and have tons of people working on it.
>>108659777trips of trvkenvke though
>>108659777just nuke us already
>>108665868What is this, some attempt to pass credit to a black lesbian from Benin? Reminds me of how thirdies celebrate American space launches as a victory for “humanity”.
>>108665940Based nationalist. Embrace your fellow countryman's achievements.
>>108658977The tranny jeet languagemakes sense
>>108658951Why hasn't india made their own programming language?
>>108658951>c++>country of origin>denmarkC++ was created at Bell Labs. >inb4 barney strapon is danishCreated. at. Bell. Labs.
>>108661517Too brutal of a reply. Cause generations of C++ programmers to seethe lol.
>>108661517that doesn't even make any sense, anyone writing C++ code, especially at that time, would have no problem writing the same C code.
>>108666840Well, if you say so.
>>108658951java canada wow my favorite language list forgot HolyC, thats made in america too
>>108660942Looks neat.
>>108658951North America clearly was a mistake.
>>108658951And it shows. Yuropoors love overcomplicated shit.
>>108665421>things that actually came from older languages like PL/I and Algol 68.For instance?None have pointer arithmetic btw.
>>108665940I mean a white supremacist also brag about someone else's achievement instead of their own personal achievement
>>108659062Danish retard here. The tech industry in this shit-ass country fucking sucks. Get your free bachelors and masters degrees, then gtfo.Insane income tax, shit salary ranges, listen to retards who want to take more of your money because they are too retarded to work themselves, and be forever locked out of the housing market in copenhagen because for some retarded ass reason, the only financial asset that does not get taxed is the housing market....I love paying 42% in taxes, then getting ass raped by boomers in the housing market where an apartment costs at least 1 million fucking dollars.Fuck this shithole
>>108666840>proves torvalds correct
>>108667740Europe is largely a waste because of this. So many brilliant white men getting strangled by socialism. America wins by simply doing less and sucking them all in.
>>108658951>PHPYes, a dane inspired PHP, but have a look at the early life section on wikipedia and see who is behind the Zend Engine which has powered PHP to this day.
Fun fact: all of the above languages are American regardless of where their lead was born before coming to America to create them.
>>108667740Tbh I don't care if healthcare and education would be free. 42% tax would make me wanna kill myself. Also our neighbors up in Canada make me realize that if we tried it we'd end up like them
>>108667806Every single time, brother.
>>108662504Brazil made Lua, Elixir and LeanOnly goated languages, now also Bend
>>108658951what's with all the dannish niggers being uppity?C++, C#, PHP are not original and not influential either, that's like saying Python is influential
>>108667717>For instance?Structs, += operators, loops, function calls, type composition. Most of what is in C was already in even older languages. C programmers think everyone was using assembly or FORTRAN IV and then C came along and "invented" everything. Pascal didn't copy anything from C either because both came from older languages.>None have pointer arithmetic btw.Because it's not portable, so it should not be mandated as part of the language. Most of the languages influenced by C like Java and JavaScript don't have it either. It should be a property of the implementation, if it makes sense on that platform. PL/S and BCPL had it. Multics PL/I had it. But it doesn't always make sense, like in a browser, or an OS with one address space and whole system GC.http://mca-ltd.com/martin/Ten15/introduction.html>Flex was usually programmed in Algol-68 (Ian Currie was on one of the Algol-68 committees - I'm not sure of the details), with the extension that procedures could (safely) escape from their scope - in modern language, this meant that functions were first-class values - indeed, in Flex the result of a program could be a function! Not the text for a function, or even the binary implementing the function, but a capability to the function closure value, complete with bindings to all the variables in its non-local scope. I think there was also an experimental Ada compiler.>In order to support this, Flex's main memory had to be garbage-collected. Flex also supported capabilities to objects on the disk and to remote objects accessible over the network. In fact, the Flex disk was also garbage collected - an off-line operation that used to take a couple of hours for the 20Mbyte(?) PERQ disks. This was, by the way, ample space for the complete Flex system, including all the source!Mezzano works like this too, except it's written in Lisp. In Mezzano, a program can return a function closure as an object, and you can call it. The disk is also garbage collected.
>>108668703>mezzanoTroll confirmed.
>>108668703>Because it's not portable, so it should not be mandated as part of the language.What's not portable about "the next element in the array"?FYI, it worked just fine even on the Genera C compiler.
>>108669050>>mezzano>Troll confirmed.Mezzano has a lot of great ideas. Linux and Unix are trolls, bad ideas with billions of dollars put into them that should have been spent on something better instead.>>108669060>What's not portable about "the next element in the array"?Nothing. What's not portable is pointer arithmetic. Arrays aren't pointers. An array in Lisp has a descriptor that has the bounds, and in a lot of languages they have lower and upper bounds. What does pointer arithmetic mean on a 3-dimensional array? It's C that's not portable, because that works fine and actually better for most languages.>FYI, it worked just fine even on the Genera C compiler.Genera C was more like C compiled to JavaScript. It used array object and index pairs, not actual machine pointers or addresses.
>>108669293>It's C that's not portableWhat's not portable about sequential elements of a defined size in contiguous sections of raw memory? If there's something out there where that's not portable, it's that things problem, not c's.
Toy also have to check my trips and tongue my anus. It's the law>>108669444
>>108669444>What's not portable about sequential elements of a defined size in contiguous sections of raw memory?Because it's not "raw memory," it's an array, and you can only access within the array. Arrays have a descriptor with the bounds that describe the extent of the array (lowest and highest index). A pointer is just a pointer with no bounds or indexing because it identifies a single object. The array elements might not even have a contiguous address. Large arrays might use (OOP) methods to retrieve parts from a disk or there might be arrays accessed over a network connection that only retrieve the elements you ask for. You're imposing too many restrictions on how the designer of the computer and OS is allowed to implement things.
>>108669696You are mixing implementation details with language spec. Pointers to array elements in C have implicit bounds because forming a pointer outside the array bounds that is not a pointer to one past the last element is undefined behaviour.
>>108669696You're defining what an "array" in C should be and how it should function based upon your familiarity with loosely related concepts with the same name in other languages. An array isn't even a real thing in c. It's a notation abstraction over raw memory addresses, for which targeting and dereferencing the actual address in memory (pointer operations) is the fastest and most direct method of manipulating and accessing values. The little extra features you're talking about in other languages are things you can add yourself in C, if you want to... often nobody wants to.
>>108659071Our current numeral system originated in India.
>>108659037Giga socialism + love of science All Danish scientific achievements have been made by people living on minimum wage all their life but they just do it for the love of the game
>>108669946Thought base 10 was Arabic??? Regardless, ancient India was rad; I think the English turned you all into retards or something.
>>108669917>Pointers to array elements in C have implicit bounds because forming a pointer outside the array bounds that is not a pointer to one past the last element is undefined behaviour.Arrays in Lisp, Algol 68, and PL/I (and many other languages like Ada, BASIC, Java, C#, Python, etc.) have actual bounds that are stored somewhere and you can get them at runtime. That's not compatible with C where a pointer to an array and a pointer to anything else are the same size. Lisp also has garbage collection so you can't do pointer arithmetic because the array's address can change at any time. You can have some kind of array slicing, for example Lisp has displaced arrays, but it's not pointer arithmetic.>>108669919>An array isn't even a real thing in c. It's a notation abstraction over raw memory addressesWhich is not compatible with how memory works on a lot of systems.>The little extra features you're talking about in other languages are things you can add yourself in C, if you want to... often nobody wants to.They're actual hardware features on some architectures.
>>108669983>Which is not compatible with how memory works on a lot of systems.Is this real Judaism? We were talking about pointer arithmetic originally. What systems on earth don't have addressable memory?You fucking around on an abacus bro?
>>108669983>Arrays in Lisp, Algol 68, and PL/I (and many other languages like Ada, BASIC, Java, C#, Python, etc.) have actual bounds that are stored somewhere and you can get them at runtime.Nothing stops you from defining a wrapper for an array type in C that stores the size of the array next to it. How is it a bad thing that C doesn't require the implementation to add features that might not be needed and lets the programmer add them in a way they see fit instead?
>>108669983>PythonIirc python arrays are actually linked lists... that's possibly the case for the other languages you mention as well. Those are a completely fifteenth animal from anything we're discussing. You can't use pointers arithmetic on those. You have to traverse them.
>>108670011>What systems on earth don't have addressable memory?non-sequitur
>>108670011>Is this real Judaism?You're projecting/hallucinating.>We were talking about pointer arithmetic originally. What systems on earth don't have addressable memory?You can't have pointer arithmetic because 1. garbage collection moves the objects around which changes their address, 2. the whole model of the hardware is based around typed objects so pointer arithmetic would violate the object model by allowing any code to access any memory address, and 3. there might not be an address for the elements because array indexing methods might actually be retrieving data over the network from a remote computer, or generating data on the fly. There are obviously more cases you can come up with where pointer arithmetic doesn't make sense. It's called using your brain.
>>108670056What is this garbage collected hardware you keep referencing? Do mean operating systems and you're somehow confusing that with hardware? Garbage collection is a software process. What would that even mean to have garbage collected hardware? Like wiping registers and consolidating memory blocks based on some incomprehensible signal with zero awareness of higher processes? How would that even work?I think your knowledge of higher level languages has fucked up your understanding of lower level processes.
>>108670056You can write a standard-compliant implementation of C that supports all of these things using fat pointers because C doesn't place restrictions on how pointers can be implemented. Fil-C provides memory safety and garbage collection for C programs and Apple has their own memory safe compiler they use to compile bootloaders.
>>108662968ada blew horses? wtf
>>108670011>What systems on earth don't have addressable memory?Research focussed stack based systems. Many companies have blown millions trying to bring one to market, but they always fail because even though they make your hard functional languages way faster, in the real world we need procedural and direct memory manipulation. Intel used stacks for the x87 FPU and it was a constant source of performance problems where you had to push and pop stuff to move it around slowly instead of directly referencing the addresses. Again, some silly mathematician wanking himself dry over the efficiency of a functional implementation of a toy problem and never once thinking that in the real world you have to deal with non-linear data streams and conditional translation of input/output.
>>108670171>What is this garbage collected hardware you keep referencing?Symbolics Lisp machines, the FLEX computer, the Reduceron, the SCHEME-79 chip, and other computer systems.http://lispm.de/genera-conceptshttps://worrydream.com/refs/Holloway_1980_-_The_SCHEME-79_Chip.pdfhttps://mn416.github.io/reduceron-project/report.pdf>Do mean operating systems and you're somehow confusing that with hardware?The operating system is designed for hardware that has garbage collection.>Like wiping registers and consolidating memory blocks based on some incomprehensible signal with zero awareness of higher processes?The hardware does have awareness of higher processes.>In Genera, all functions and data share the same virtual memory. This shared memory is treated by the software as containing a set of data objects, not uninterpreted bits or bytes. Data objects are both simple (lke characters) and structured (like arrays). In addition, you can have data types defined by applications, containing both state information and operations.>Each data object contains knowledge of its own type. For simple objects, some of this type knowledge is captured in hardware tag bits. Data objects in the object-oriented Flavors and CLOS languages also know their own types and the generic operations that apply to them.>I think your knowledge of higher level languages has fucked up your understanding of lower level processes.C has nothing to do with lower level processes. I'm describing things that already exist.
>>108659311brain fuck isn't
Ok, so basically this guy isn't arguing in good faith at all. Standard AKSHUALLY ishit like the retard in /dpt/ who argues pointers aren't related to addresses because there was a hungarian electric typewriter maker in the late 70's that used pointers to reference the ink level sensor, or some gay obscure shit.
>>108670732Why are you coping?
>>108670756Whatever. Have fun categorizing your naruto figurine collection on whatever software runs on your garbage collected lisp architecture box, while I cope down here in reality with hardware and software that uses addressable memory.
>>108670732>Ok, so basically this guy isn't arguing in good faith at all. Standard AKSHUALLY ishit like the retard in /dpt/ who argues pointers aren't related to addresses because there was a hungarian electric typewriter maker in the late 70's that used pointers to reference the ink level sensor, or some gay obscure shit.You're like an African tribesman trying to tell me that airplanes don't exist when I literally just got off a plane and know they exist. Just because you never saw or heard about hardware garbage collection doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>108670800Yeah, you do that. And don't forget the world that's laughing at you. I want it to sting every single second of your existence.
>>108670810Ok. Computers that can be used, do things my way. Computers that exist in your imagination or in a pdf document from a decade ago, do things your way.You communicating, right now, MY WAY. You will never, in this life, sit at a system that does things your "portable" lol way.
>>108658951Buy an ad.
>>108670829>Ok. Computers that can be used, do things my way. Computers that exist in your imagination or in a pdf document from a decade ago, do things your way.You're describing enshittification and saying it's a good thing.>You communicating, right now, MY WAY. You will never, in this life, sit at a system that does things your "portable" lol way.Right now, to write this post, I'm using a browser with a garbage collector and a language (JavaScript) that has arrays without pointer arithmetic.
>>108659021Russia made Kotlin.
>>108670847The funny thing is that garbage collection is such a clusterfuck already. Arenas are so underutilized it's not even funny anymore, and I'm drunk.
>>108670011Technically the abacus memory is also addressable.
>>108670847>without pointer arithmetic*that abstracts away pointer arithmetic and absolutely uses addressable memoryFtfy
>>108658977how can you cope being a canadian knowing this?
>>108670871I guess the language itself has no pointer arithmetic but the engine, that runs it in the browser, has.
>>108670871>*that abstracts away pointer arithmetic and absolutely uses addressable memoryThat's how it's implemented right now. Someone might cut out all the browser complexity and make a CPU designed for JavaScript, and make the whole OS a web browser written in JavaScript. That's the whole reason Lisp machines were made too. Lisp was originally interpreted, then compiled (like JavaScript JITs), and finally someone realized it was simpler and faster to make hardware to run it, and put the GC, tags, and objects in hardware. The Lisp OS is basically an interpreter environment. Why do C programmers hate this idea so much?
>>108670884degeneracy aside we've actually shit out a fair number of white cracked engineers, though most end up moving to the usa
>>108670903>Why do C programmers hate this idea so much?I don't. I just made Python bindings in C++ for monkeys to use it.
>>108670903>Why do C programmers hate this idea so much?I think the stuff you're talking about sounds cool, in a theoretical way, but you came several of us (assuming you're the same anon) about how C is non portable trash and pointer arithmetic is a liar sometimes. I don't have any problem with your vision of things.
>>108670903>Someone might cut out all the browser complexity and make a CPU designed for JavaScriptLolI've once heard someone from the old Java team or something asked what a CPU optimized for Java would look like, and he said that it's not the CPU, it's the fucking memory.And he's fucking right.
>>108659391Who will feed Africa's 4 billion people in 75 years when there's only 200 million white people left on the planet?
>>108670953Israel.
>>108670959even if they cared about other people and even if they aren't wiped out there will only be 20 million of them in 75 years
>>108670980They won't be given a choice.
