So, you have to "train" your memory (whatever it means) now every boot?Why is hardware getting worse instead of better?
What the fuck are you going to do about it nig?
>>108660844you mean calibration?its the same as all the other parts of POST
>>108660844holy shit we have a memory training schizo now.
>>108660858My old PC can boot from power off to Windows login screen in a couple of seconds.Now apparently it takes at least 20 seconds to just get out of POST.
>>108660897there are massive differences between MBs look it up before you pick one. i cant find benchmarks that only go up to the bootloader they include winblows in this shit. still it blows my mind that they cant make an MB that basically goes instantly to the bootloader
>>108660981And then PC nerds wonder why people prefer this.
>>108660844subspace quantum leaks and depolarization
>>108660857Something a white man couldn't do, clearly.
>>108661722Yeah but this is the pc nerd place not the normie zone. Who sent you?
>>108660863I can memorize a deck of playing cards. Can you?
>>108662381I once memorized pi. All of it.
>>108661756I don't believe in quantum mechanics, the cat is either dead or alive whether someone is looking at it or not.
>>108660844Memory training has been a thing since before you were born. It's just more prominent these days because training speeds haven't kept up with memory capacities. Also, modern consumer hardware shouldn't have to re-train on every boot unless it's defective or misconfigured. Fix your shit.
>>108662392Very impressive. Now we can finally have someone who can solve the elusive Math problems that involve a circle.
>>108660844anon with Asus boad its possible to disable AEMP II so it will memory train only after install or long off time
>>108661722you prefer that one because you can see it with they eyes and yo nigga hand be fire grab that shid off fag whitey yo. meanwhile whats a nigga gonna do to take a PC? he gotta unplug everythang and try not to get bit by they dog carrin out that heavy shieeet.
>>108662758But if nobody is looking at it, which one is it? Dead, or alive?
>>108661722https://www.lttlabs.com/articles/2026/03/25/macbook-thermal-testing
>>108660981My budget Dell PC I bought 5 months ago boots up in like 10 seconds max, often faster
>>108665371Whichever is true
Anything to foolishly resist the inevitability of on-chip or closely soldered memory
>>108666236on package memory is ideal for consumer slop that gets replaced every 2 years
>>108665598your dell pc has less memory bandwidth than a mobile phone
>>108665598they really have to advertise stuff like this if they started adding 'boots in 10 sec' on the box i bet a lot of people would go for those >>108666236i think in the future cpus,ram and ssds will all use very similar looking interfaces. might even use the same one with different 'keys' like different m.2 cards today.
>>108660844Because storing the calibration parameters somewhere between boots is apparently too much to ask.
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>>108660844i haven't turned off my computers for 2 months each why would i give a shit if it takes 20 seconds longer to boot, boot time is the most irrelevant metric on earth, ever since SSD it does not matter
>>108665388there is a regulation i think about low temperature burns, so if you do the mod, you can get a low temp burn if you use it on your lap
>>108660844Just get some Japanese dude to anthropomorphize it into a cute anime girl and reframe it to “correction.”
>>108665388Bro you can just enable power saver mode and have the cpu consume over 70% less power and have 50% less performance as a downside, which still matches up roughly with an 5700x.
>>108666804>why would i give a shitBecause PC fans are loud as fuck and you can't reliably use sleep because of terrible power management implementation in both Windows and Linux.
>>108667421What do you mean, reliably? I've never had issues with sleep on any OS.
>>108666272so basically, SoM's like the PI compute module? and the "motherboard" is just a carrier board with all the IO and power delivery stuff
>>108669318PC turning itself on (because of updates, or whatever, sometimes no reason) and then never going back to sleep (unless you intervene) because fuck you, that's why.
>>108660844I just go get some water and it's done before I get back. Who cares if it takes a little time to boot. Under a minute and it's good for the entire day.
Its getting to the point were everything is bleeding edge, and they are producing so much, that the training cant be realistically dont in facility, and set to a base line. And with the temperature, and humidity, and hardware, and power supply degradation, and input voltage from the wall, and bios version, and os differences, and preset settings, you can tune stuff to be a hell of a lot faster, instead of relying on the manufacturer baseline tune.
>>108669548>who cares that my city is flooded with more and more brown people every day>I close my eyes when I walk home, close the blinds and it's great at the end of the day!This is you.
>>108669358>so basically, SoM's like the PI compute module?im talking about the physical interface, compute modules of raspberry use s D-PHY connector (pic related)i think the new framework laptop is one of the first if not the first computer with LPCAMM2 which has a land grid array connector. i think its starting with laptops but will soon move on to all PC ram and all PC SSDs being connected via land grid connectors just like the CPU>is just a carrier board with all the IO and power delivery stuffi mean that's what a motherboard is
>>108669584What is the amount of RAM people have now?64 GB? 128GB if rich (and kinda pointless since its slow RAM for the CPU and not proper fast GDDR on your graphics card you could do actually anything useful with)?So, 4 times, at best 8x the amount of RAM on my 15 year old PC?Wow, such bleeding edge, such progress...
>>108669665BTW: graphics cards don't do any "training" bullshit (at least don't take any significant time to do it) despite their RAM being way way faster.
>>108669665Yeah doofus im talking about actual bleeding edge. Not ddr4 or ddr5. Im talking about hbm3/4 and ddr7+ ram. Also, did you even fucking read everything I wrote? Do you actually think all these factors DONT play a role in the performance of these chips?
>>108660844>you have to "train" your memory (whatever it means) now every boot?you have to train every PCIE connection to adjust filter paramaters, every motherboard is different so every GPU goes throug a training cycle
>>108660897>Now apparently it takes at least 20 seconds to just get out of POST.select an xmp profile
>>108669843>to make your computer work you must set blipingoo doop to plapity pep in floopity bloop settings after you enter gliptidy moo menuAnd then you nerds wonder why normal people choose products that just work from companies that respect them.
>>108660897>My old PC can boot from power off to Windows login screen in a couple of seconds.No. It cannot. It wasn't powered off, just hibernating.
>>108670102>company respects you so much it's paying a small army of shill to spam your friendly neighborhood forum with unwanted advertisementsOf course, Chang... Of course...Please contact the nearest CCP agent, and get your organ harvested already.
My desktop booted windows 10 in maybe 15 seconds. Windows 11 I haven't bothered to check, but Linux boots in probably 20. My laptop boots extreamly quick into linux. Probably 10 seconds.
>>108660844Thank you OP for reminding me yet again that there is still no good reason for me to upgrade from my Ryzen 9 5950X paired with 128GB of CL16 DDR4 3600.
>>108660844>>108660897hell on earth
>>108666272I hope so, the dimm format just isnt working anymore, servers are stuck at dual socket 24 channels because of the size.
>>108670270You live in India so you're accustomed to being surrounded by shit.
>>108670224>windows: 15 seconds>linux: 20 seconds>out of linux user mouthLinux B T F O
>>108670405>boot is 5s slower on cherry-picked hw>literally unusable
>>108670850It starts at boot - literally the beginning - and only gets worse from there.
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>>108670264There isn't. Used to run a system with 4x16 DDR4 3600CL14. Upgraded the whole thing, wanted to run 4x32GB DDR5 from the manufacturers QVL and it took over an hour to train, 20+ minutes to retrain every other boot with all DDR5 cope options turned on. Only solution is accepting that DDR5 is a scam since using more than two DIMMs might technically work but it's still not in a state I'd call anywhere near acceptable considering the hefty fucking markup DDR5 always had over DDR4 while offering no benefits. If you can just skip DDR5 altogether. Seriously it's that fucking shit. I regret upgrading and not taking my own advice and waiting for DDR6 to fix DDR5 fuckups.
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>>108671066old stats. 43 is out, 44 is almost done.
Unless you're doing something retarded, memory training should only ever happen after changing the physical configuration of the memory in any way (including just reseating) or changing xmp/docp/manual tuning profiles, and it should only happen once until the next change. What retard shit are you doing to make this an issue?
>>108671158>y-you're h-holding it w-wrong!No faster way to admit your product is shit than pulling out this tired cope.
>>108660844>DDR5im still on ddr3its literally fine? i don't *need* ddr4luckily im not using windows and forced to update to slower and slower operating system so i haven't needed to update ram in years.i do have a work laptop on w11 and every time i leave it alone for 5 minutes the fan spins up to 100% like its about to take off. i just use it for emails what the fuck is it indexing? so i can see that some cucks will think oh yes please the latest thing, 'latest and greatest' as my indian colleague says. but its not for me. dont need it thanks.
>it's just one of those low quality troll threads jannies let shit up the boardebin
>>108671158everyone complaining about this is on AM5(you can figure out the rest)
>>108671941you mean glued together CPUs have latency issues? Shocker!
>>108671259DDR3 is still amazing if you have a morherboard capable of supporting triple channel which i do on my Mac Pro
>>108671265It's a real issue with DDR5.
>>108671158am5 is shityou can configure bios options to reduce trainings but at the very least it will still happen twice a month
>>108671941>seen it personally happen with Xeons>seen it personally happen with EPYC>seen it personally happen with AM5>haven't seen it happen with current gen Intel because I haven't bought any consumer intel chips since the 8700KHmmmmmmmmm must be an AM5 problem.
>>108675886No it's not.t. using DDR5, zero training required beyond the first time enabling the xmp profile for the sticks after building the system.
>>108660981Gone are the days of fast booting.I have a B550 MSI board and a 5900X and this shit takes a good half a minute boot into linux. I remember booting in half of that with an old machine on 8.1 (and with fast startup disabled, so there's no excuse there). Nowadays, I turn on my mac mini with macOS installed on an external drive, and that takes about 15 seconds tops.
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>>108678278>pleb settings
