They just don't look that secure to me
>>108665112notice the ends of those prongs? americans know how to do simple locking designs unlike europoops
>>108665112A decent outlet holds on pretty well. I've tripped over cords without pulling them out.If they don't hold well, the outlet is worn out or damaged and needs to be replaced.
>>108665112Yes. You are insecure.
>>108665112I tripped over Schuko and pulled them out of the plug as well not impossible but I am also 110kg
>>108665112The ground is supposed to be up, not down.
>>108665112If they are installed correctly they stay plugged in just fine. The ones in your image is installed upside down. The ground pin is supposed to be on the top. It's an unfortunately common mistake.
When I'm in America I find them looser than I'd like. Sometimes they don't sit flush with the socket either, which I don't love. Nice quarter inch of live metal I could touch at times.
>>108665193Ground on top is actually abnormal, the logic is if it is partially unplugged and a thin conductive object falls and lands on the conductors that it's less likely to make a short circuit with the ground on top. Ground on the bottom is actually the way it was intended but it doesn't functionally matter at all.
>>108665193i have never seen ground be on top
>>108665112Yes.>>108665139Not used in any standard socket. Only some Japanese ones.
>>108665112No, they hold so well that Americans regularly rip apart their cardboard walls trying to pull them out.
>>108665305Ground-on-top is mandated in hospitals because of the 0.00001% chance that something could fall across the two hot plugs on something that’s not totally plugged in and short the circuit
>>108665112Not only that but it also exposes live prongs when not fully plugged in.
>>108665112They tend to wear out. I've seen very loose sockets that won't deliver, particularly in public places like coffee shops or food courts where people come in all day and connect and disconnect their devices, and then employees connect vaccums and whatnot.
>>108665535>cardboard wallskek
>>108665193>>108665175Ground on top is only used for outlets controlled by a switch in my part of the country. >>108665112They're fine as long as they're not old as shit. Old ones can get loose and should be replaced. Plugs with a ground (for that small hole at the bottom) tend to stay in well even in old loose sockets.
Are they even used inside server racks?Or do they use a more secure system for that?Schucko power strips meant for servers are much tighter than regular strips.Unplugging takes a lot of force maybe 15kg or something.There is no way of accidentally unplugging anything even if you're tugging on the power cords.They are also great to mount upside-down under a table/desk, you can easily hang power bricks upside down without risk of them falling down.
>>108665112if you pull on it, sure, but left alone? nothing happens
>>108665931They do wear out eventually, but there are moderately fancier/tighter-tolerance versions that are made to hold up a bit better to repeated plugging and unpluggingFor super repeated plugging and unplugging you’ll probably just need to replace them more frequently than every 50 yearsDo other designs not have this problem, or handle way more plug-unplug cycles?
>>108666031>when accidents didn't happen then accidents don't happen!!Type G should be the basis for a universal standard.
>>108666031I rented an apartment in America where one of the sockets was so loose the plug fell out by itself.Ended up propping it up, luckily it was close to the ground.
>>108666172The fact that the plug fell off from the damaged unsecure wall socket, I assure you, is a statistical anomaly. Most wall sockets are designed so that the plug stays fit, and in the vast majority of cases, the plug stays on quite well. In this specific instance, however, the plug fell off, but I must emphasize that the damaged and loose wall socket is not normal. I can assure you that in a perfectly normal wall socket, the plug does stays fit, tight and secure. So you have nothing to worry about the American wall socket. Any damaged wall socket, any unmaintained wall socket from any American or non-American wall socket would have had issues with plugs falling off, as they fall outside the building code. Thats why this is not a wall socket issue but a building maintenance issue
>>108666222Or Americans could just use a different, more secure socket-plug design and turn that "specific instance" into "doesn't happen". Enshrinement of mediocrity.
>>108666172sounds like a fire/electrocution riskshould have bitched to the landlord to replace the fucker
>>108665553Something not being totally plugged in and still having exposed contacts AND making contact seems like a flaw that should be fixed rather than mandating an orientation.
>>108666172Let me guess, landlord special that hasn't been changed in decades?100% needed to be replaced. A connection that bad, plugging anything high power in could easily overheat/catch fire.
>>108666655
>>108665112i have only ran into loose sockets on antique homes. those ones aren't even grounded lol
>>108665553Hospitals also have metal frames around the sockets. I got the impression that's the primary concern of what can fall off and make a circuit.
>>108666308>>108665553funnily enough the one used where i live is used in a couple other places and this issue was solves in both ways. i use the NZ/AU which (at least in NZ, i haven't looked into AU) has required partially-covered neutral/active pins since 2005, while CN use the same plug but upside down (some might say ours is upside down because AU is upside down, but NZ isn't known to be upside down so evidently our plug is in a superposition of being both upside down and right side up at the same time)
>>108666698yep i've still got a few very old non-grounded outlets i'm too lazy to replace that are looser than a wizard's sleeve>>108666249>Americans could just good call amigo when I replace the outlet I'll just import a non-compatible and not up to US electrical code outlet from overseas and then use adapters on everything I buy
>the upside-down plug propagandists are herePiss off. The only real solution is for proper sleeving to be mandated, flipping it is only marginally better and interferes with literally any plug that isn't the type in the OP.
>>108666785aiee
>>108665268Ground on top is to code, so that if a thin conductive object falls and lands between the socket and the plug it'll land on ground and not on live conductors.Ground on the bottom is a code violation, it's just very frequently violated.
They aren't easy to pull out but they aren't hard to pull out either, they require the perfect amount of force to pull out (can't pull them out without actually wanting to)
EU master race
Why don't you savages have switches on your plugs, just yank it out to turn it off
>>108666896Why don't you savages have switches on your appliances, have to go over to the plug to switch it off
>>108666989Twice the switches twice the safety!
It really does make you think, doesn't it?
>>108667021Hmmmmmmm
>>108667033Interdesting
>>108667037Cs also work with Gs, just needs a plastic adapter that pushes into the ground pin hole (or poking it manually with something non conductive).All the ones with ground below are abominations that should be scrubbed from existence.
>>108666807The National Electrical Code (NEC) does NOT specify outlet orientation and proposal for it to do so get shot down each time. Local building code can differ from NEC but rarely does unless there's some unusual local condition. Facility specific code, such as cases other anons have pointed out like hospitals, might specify orientation but for general residential and commercial building, either orientation is fine. It's funny seeing people passionately arguing for century old bulky plugs at the same time USB is shoving more and more current down those tiny flimsy connectors.
>>108667037e/f my beloveds
>>108667136Good enough for hospitals good enough for housingBad for hospitals bad for housing
>>108667229Electrical code isn't based on your feelings.
>>108665112Do yuros play footy in the living room or something and have to worry about knocking out a plug?
>>108667037Why would anyone use anything but C and F?
>>108665268>the logic is if it is partially unplugged and a thin conductive object falls and lands on the conductorshow about designing a socket/plug combo that doesn't allow "partially unplugged" prongs to still be live and accessible from the outside?
europoors even think about our FUCKING PLUGS
K is for kute.
>>108667037I didn't know they were different sized prongs
>>108667561Yes, unironically lol. Broke a few mirrors too kek.
>>108669133It's not super common to have different sized prongs but occasionally you will have devices that require a certain polarity. Type B forces the correct orientation.
>>108667229Yeah running a hospital grade HVAC system too?
>>108665112They are loose and insecure like the typical United Statian's pussy.
>>108668200it's really weird desu
>>108665974Visit an hospital, they’ll all be up.
>>108666849The bitch got away with everything.
>>108666711>Sockets are actually supposed to be upside down
>>108665193No code in the NEC that says you have to install it up or down.
>>108666785Doesn't really matter does it when you keep that huge red warning label on the cable
>>108665112SCHUKO SUPERIORITY
Japan, what the fuck are you guys up to over there?
BEHOLD!
>>108669388supposedly japan doesnt have grounded outlets in anything but brand new buildings either
>>108669400That's the same as up. Right would correspond to down.
>>108666845easily the best, most kino, most well engineered
>>108666711
>>108666845schuko has nothing to do with the fucking EU
>>108666019Server racks are 240v. You see stuff like L20 sockets which have a twist to lock/unlock mechanism for stuff that actually needs it.>>108666807>Ground on the bottom is a code violation, it's just very frequently violated.Not it's not. There are situations due to local laws where ground up is required, and far more situations where it's "common practice" but it's not a universal requirement. NEC doesn't specify one way or the other. It's been tried multiple times.Basically what >>108666807said.>Source: Actual electrical engineer who's had to write policy to account for building codes. 99.9% of residential stuff is going to have the ground on the bottom.>>108669133Different sized prongs are for polarity. If you have a device with exposed metal, you want the ground to be linked to non-energized side in case of a short. Imagine you have a metal toaster that short circuits to the outer shell. You want the shell to be neutral and to have the section with actual voltage to be internal. The short is going to be where the resistive load and voltage drop is, but you want the shell that you could potentially be touching to be on the low voltage side of that resistive load.Even in scenarios without a short circuit, polarization can keep parts that may be exposed to people separate. To continue the toaster analogy, imagine you have a toaster that only has a switch on one of the wires. If you switch the neutral side, you could potentially leave the coils energized all the time, meaning that dropping a knife in it is dangerous. If you switch the hot side, then everything is neutral when the switch is open.Small devices wrapped up in plastic don't necessarily need this because there's reduced risk of this kind of danger. That's why low draw stuff like your phone charger won't typically have polarized prongs, and why most of your kitchen/bathroom gadgets like toasters, mixers, blenders, coffee pots, hair dryers, curling irons, etc, have pronged outlets.
>>108669388they got fucked from both ends during/after ww2
>>108669388Probably helped them have the right mindset and production capability that lead to being able to export globally regardless of the electric standards of the destination markets.
>>108665166I tripped over a Schuko plug and tore the outlet out of the wall
>>108666114Type C and F are way more practical when it comes to a firm connection
>>108668200Euromutts are so petty lol.
