Anyone else excited for the steam hardware?I really like the idea of having a VR headset that runs linux. Can't wait to view dmesg in VR!
Dont want it but i hope it benefits pc gaming in a positive way
I'm excited for the gamepad it looks interesting. Currently using a DualSense and XBONE depending on the game.
>>108667702Given their success with the Deck I'm thinking people will ultimately be happy with the new stuff. The price for Frame/Machine is gonna be painful though.
>>108667702it looks very comfortable to wear unlike quest or index
>>108667702Steam Machine is DOA, it's genuinely weak unless you are going to play 2d platformer, and hades on it lmao.
>>108667702the VR headset is too low level for me but I hope its a success just to get the user base up
Don't buy one.
I am interested in the headset but its still LCD and the price might be quite high. Also it was announced in november and I wonder when they are planning to release them.
>>108667731FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>108667702its a baffling combination :>the headset is too weak standalone, it needs a PC.>the Steam Machine is too weak to run PCVR so wont work well with the headset.how the fuck did they even approve this mess? I smell vapourware
>>108667702>Can't wait to view dmesg in VRkek
>>108667702NuVolve funds sweet baby inc and bans any wrongthink from the community sectionScrew them
>>108667982>>the Steam Machine is too weak to run PCVRfr? i use a literal 4050 laptop and i can do VR just fine. the only one i have most issues with are games modded into VR but actual VR titles are totally fine
>>108667982Doesn't the Frame have some parallel processing thing where it can share the processing load with a PC? I remember Valve filed a patent for that.
>>108667702>DRM cuckbox
>>108668565BasedFunny how people are so against "you will own nothing" except when it comes to their heckin' valve summer sale (lease)Most gamers are literal drug addicts thoughbeit, this is why corporations like Valve, Nvidia, EA etc are able to effortlessly take advantage of them>t. 2 years clean of lifelong bing bang wahoo addiction
>>108668491No, it supports just streaming from a PC. The Machine will probably be fast enough for some lower-end games / at lower settings, but that's about it.
>>108667702I wish they would make VR that is inclusive for people with less than perfect vision.
>>108669962I remember seeing that they filed a patent for a deckard (now frame) add-on that would allow to correct for your prescriptionwell, technically speaking it's much more powerful than that since it's basically holography, in addition to theoretically being able to correct for any eye aberration (not just sphere and cylinder), it could be used to basically add real depth to the imagebut yeah solutions are>prescription inserts>rare headset with expensive and shitty diopter adjustment>wait for holography to make its way to VR
>>108669921The frame has it's own cpu and fex to run gamesthe steam machine is as fast as a 5800x3d
The vr is going to be amazing, I already know it. The controller is also going to be solid. I just wonder what industry insider knowledge steam has to decide to make the GABEcube. Do they think consoles are going to be discontinued or something?
>>108667702>DRM cuckshed
>>108670083First 2 is fair. And (You) know they other too are the MOST UNBELIEVABLY KEKED ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET
>>108670083you can pirate every single game you play on steam hardware
>>108667702For the VR no.From what I heard, inside out tracking still isn't as accurate as lighthouse tracking.And for the Gabecube not really. I already have a nice PC. I am interested in getting a mini PC for general PC use and having my gaming PC as a strictly gaming platform. The Gabecube might work in that category, but even the lowest spec version would be over kill since the most demanding think I'd do is stream movies. So even if the price is right, I need something that's also power efficient since it would be running alongside my gaming PC. I'm on the fence of getting a Chinese mini pc or a Mac Mini or w.e. they're called.
>>108669894 hereforgot to tell but i'm trans btw
>>108670127you don't need a fancy $100 pc to play movies lol
>>108670106Am I retarded?>inb4 no
>>108669921Huh. I distinctly remember that patent from Valve in relation to a VR headset. I guess they couldn't get it to work and dropped it or something.
>>108667702vrset and steam deck when theyre available againmaybe the controller once my switch 1 controller breaks but so far its lasting way longer then the ps4 and xbox1 controllers I used for pc before it
>>108667960What do you mean by low level?
>>108670058It does but it's ARM so don't expect it to run much. It will probably be able to run the lightest VR games around and some basic PC games projected onto a virtual screen. I expect this to be mostly a "we have the hardware, might as well" kind of feature, I think if you're planning to buy a Frame based on the idea that it's going to be tailored for standalone VR gaming I think you're going to end up disappointed.>>108670302I don't know what the patent said regarding load sharing or whatever. The headset is almost certainly going to be running its own side of things, for example the video processing from the general headset & controller position tracking and from the eye tracking as well. They're certainly going to run that locally on the headset instead of sending video from the cameras to the PC.The headset however won't be working together with the PC to run the actual game though, that's going to run on the PC and get streamed over to the headset.
>>108669894you can't tell the difference between a fun hobby and a crippling addiction
>>108669894>thoughbeithello tranny
>>108667957This. I'd pay maybe €400 top for it, and that's already too much considering that a Series S/PS5 can be found around that price. Even €600 gaming laptops are better in terms of performance than the Steam MachineSteamies are over hyping it way too much >>108667982>>108668175The Steam Machine will be fine for VR. It's 2026, even entry level GPUs can do PCVR gaming.I used to play a lot back when I had an RX 6650XT + Quest 2, games looked and ran fine. >>108670127Either get an $80 chink Mini PC or a cheap Android TV. You don't need a Mac Mini or the steam thingy to stream movies lol >>108670154So heckin wholesome sista!
steam would’ve geberate far more goodwill by devoting reaources to keeping the millions of existing Windows Mixed Reality headsets out in the wild working i. Steam since Microsoft decided to smother the WMR technology with a pillow while it is still in its infancy
>>108670548im not OP but they are likely talking about the lenses and the pass through camera and hand recognition. Last specs I read about it put it lower spec than both the Meta Quest 3 and Quest 3S. Meta Quest 3 witha PC link cable has been the ultimate VR value for quite some times. And Valve isnt really attempting to compete on that level. They are trying to sell a Meta Quest 3S competitor for the premium Index price
>>108667973i say this and i look like this
Just here for the steam controller 2. I love my original 2 I have.
>>108667957>too weakIt's in between a 3050 and 3060 when it comes to power. That's more than enough to run almost every single game at 1080p or even 1440p@120Hz without using FSR.>but modern slop games!Just like most PC gamers, I don't care about the handful of AAA titles which can't run unless you have the latest $2000 GPU.
>>108667702Company that doesn't design their own chips is not a serious hardware company.
>>108667702>ram>gabecube>ever
>>108676241You don't need more than 8GB RAM for gaming.
I'm gonna instantly buy the controller. I've been using a wired Xbox controller from 2015, and even though it still works, I still want to go wireless. Not to mention I've been holding off playing all the games I've been wanting to play just for the steam controller...
>>108667702>cuckcube
>>108676310Mental illnesssteam has stopped DRM from getting worse by making it easy to strip out and becoming dominant enough publishers and developers are not obsessed about security because they get enough salesRemove steam and we're going back to starforce and securom on crack and physical would've died regardless
>>108676310Trying sharing your PS5 games now.
>>108676310>before steam>you have maybe 20 games at home and your neighbor has another 20 that you need to go and borrow physically>after steam>steam family has 2000+ games available at one click
>>108676449>make worst DRM in the history of DRM>haha look at other DRM not being necessary anymoreback in the oven kike
>>108676469>>after steam>get slammed in the ass with online DRM>if you log on your friend gets kicked off>gay ben finally pulls out after 2 decades>HAHA I WIN SO MUCHvalveniggers need to by lynched
>>108676455>valvekikes destroy PC gaming>valvekike influence start to destroy console gaming too>this makes valve good!do valveniggers really?
>>108676501>>get slammed in the ass with online DRMSteam does not require DRM, you can publish game without one. Also, the DRM steam provides can be bypassed by simple universal DLL hack, and it even works online using steam networking via online-fix/space war. That's pretty neat.>>if you log on your friend gets kicked offThat's not how it works. You do not get kicked off when you log in.Why do you write such an emotional post if you don't even know what you are talking about?
>>108676527You are trying too hard to fit in.
>>108676484>worst drm>the easiest to bypass and the least restrictive on functionalitygo have a look at what starforce and securom didgo have a look at how much console drm restricts youand then come back
>>108676469You will play about 200 max games of that 2000. Steam is a cash cow
>>108676528Online registration and online authentication are DRM.Steam is literally the DRM you dumb cum guzzling cuck.
>>108676484>make worst DRM in the history of DRMnewfag retard holy shit
>>108676536>OH GOODDDDD REAM MY ASS HARDER GAY BENget lynched DRMcuck
>>108676538I could play none of them, it doesn't matter for this argument. What matters is that after steam I have much larger collection of games to borrow and play with even less effort, which makes your whole argument about ease of sharing moot.
>>108676531you are trying too hard to guzzle gay ben's kike cum
>>108676543Why are you getting so emotional? Is someone paying you to post this, or are you just so much of a degenerate that you can't have proper discussion about technology without making it about some weird sexual fetishes?Seek help m8
>>108676559Imagine being so much of a faggot you see technology and think about sucking cocks.
>>108676310Sharing or selling RuneScape accounts was a bannable offense. Hosting your own server for an MMO was legally gray or illegal even back then.Re-sales of CD keys were also illegal according to most EULAs back then. The internet just made this easier to enforce.Companies never want you to own anything. Valve didn't change this, they just moved this concept to the web. Nobody forced other companies to do the same.>>108676528>That's not how it works. You do not get kicked off when you log in.This is exactly how it works. He's talking about game sharing on Steam.>OLD; Simultaneous Play: Only one person can access the shared library at a time. If the owner starts playing any game, the shared user is immediately locked out or must exit.>NEW; Simultaneous Play: Members can play different games from the shared pool at the same time. If multiple members want to play the same title, they must own multiple copies of that game within the family.Also>Steam does not require DRMIt effectively does. You cannot launch a game without having the Steam Client unless you fuck around with the game files by removing the DRM.>>108676469Are you one of the retards pretending piracy is difficult and inconvenient? Downloading a game from a piracy website is just as easy as downloading a game on Steam, except you don't need to register an account or your debit card so it's actually even easier.
>>108676552i don't think you understand what drm is if you think those terms aren't worse than what steam offersyou don't belong here, consolecuck, the very purpose of the hardware is to rape your rights
>>108676570>>OLD; Simultaneous Play: Only one person can access the shared library at a time. If the owner starts playing any game, the shared user is immediately locked out or must exit.He claimed that>if you log on your friend gets kicked offWhich is wrong.You are describing different scenario.>It effectively does. You cannot launch a game without having the Steam Client unless you fuck around with the game files by removing the DRM.You can. It's up to the developer to add DRM to their game. If a developer does not add any DRM to their game, you can just launch it without steam. There is plenty of games like that.
>>108676570>Are you one of the retards pretending piracy is difficult and inconvenient?Answer: NoNext question
>>108676584you don't belong here, valvenigger, the very purpose of steam is to rape your rights
>>108676598>refuses to engage at allare you a fucking bot? either discuss the matter earnestly or shut the fuck up, console drm is objectively more restrictive
>>108676608>objectively more restrictive>just conceded to all these restrictions and stipulations goy!see >>108676552cry harder valvenigger
>108676629Wew retard
>>108676635>valvenigger DRM cuck can't handle fact>concedes defeati acceptnow fuck off from /g/ valvenigger, /g/ is free as in freedom territory
>>108676647You are trying too hard to fit in.
>>108676650see >>108676559
>>108676629yes, objectively more restrictions are placed on console gamesno mods, disc always in, no customisable settings options, requiring specific hardware, uncertain backwards compatibility, no control over the operating systemand if you don't like those terms? nothing you can domeanwhile steam's restriction is just not going for the suicidal move of letting you trade digital licenses and if you don't like using steam then you can bypass it in 1 minute
>>108676650You are trying too hard to fit in. DRM cuckolds do not belong on /g/.
>>108676678see>>108676552the fact is, console peasants have more rights than valveniggersthat's why you're subhuman nigger trash not even worthy of pity, you are scum not even worthy of breathing free air
>>108676591>He claimed that if you log on your friend gets kicked off>Which is wrong. You are describing different scenarioNo, that's exactly how it worked with the old family sharing feature. With old family sharing, if you log into a friend's library to play a game, then your friend logs in and tries to play a game, you would be logged out.And it still works this way today.1. If you do family sharing, you cannot play the same game your family/friend is playing.2. If you're logged into the same account on multiple devices, you cannot play the same game on both devices at the same time.Compare this to GOG where you can install the same game on as many devices you own. GOG won't come to me and kick me out of a game on my Steam Deck just because my wife is playing the same game on my PC. And GOG won't force me and my friends to buy the same game just to play the game together, we can just buy 1 copy and share it.GOG >>>> Steam. The only thing Valve is good for is making Linux gaming work, that's it.
>>108676692no, they don'timagine being on /g/ and trying to identify with stallman when you're arguing for use of hardware where the operating system is a complete proprietary shitboxyou're pathetic at larping
>>108676678>a valvetard legitimately trying to force the narrative of consoles having specific hardware suited only to run specific code not being able to play software made for other hardwareValvetard cumguzzlers are something else.
>>108676699see >>108676552
>>108676698>With old family sharing, if you log into a friend's library to play a game, then your friend logs in and tries to play a game, you would be logged out.You never "log into a friend's library". You log in to steam and that never stopped anyone from doing anything.
>>108676705>specific hardwareno, it's x86 and arm hardware that could easily run linuxand they can't because their corporations decided you can't
>>108676705Cool nothing post, coomer.
>>108676711>here's how you share games completely locked down by hardware DRM
>>108676699I will never give a cent to your kike DRM racket.Seethe Valvedrone.
>>108676725you have given plenty of money to other drm in your lifeyou're just deranged, you're not even willing to use reason
>>108676723>try to play steam games on my console>cant install steamNice completely locked down by Steam DRM valvecucks.
>>108676712>You log in to steam and that never stopped anyone from doing anything.Read the whole post again. You're objectively wrong.
>>108676748it's not valve that's preventing you from installing steam on consolesit's the console corpos themselves, they locked down the hardware and everything goes through them because they can't stand competition
>>108676749I read it, and I am not going to address it. You are moving the goal post.You initial argument was that by logging in your friend can't play anymore, which is obviously wrong.
>>108676742I've never spent a penny on anything DRM. Nice projection though DRM cuck. Unlike you who has spent thousands to own absolutely nothing.The last game I ever bought was Oblivion, and I actually own it and can do anything I want with it.
>>108676757>valve refuses to allow their DRM store on consoles>blame consoles
>>108676778yes, you can't install another operating system on consoleswho's responsible for that restriction?
>>108676764You're arguing with multiple people. I'm just clarifying what the original anon meant by his "logs you out" statement. He's objectively correct, you're just nitpicking at semantics like the soiboy you are.
>>108676772so you think if a game is physical you own it?ok, starforce and securom, you run out of limited activationsnow what?
>>108676764>valvenigger delusion trying to pretend the last 2 decades of getting rammed in the ass by gay ben didnt happenValvetard cumguzzlers are something else.
>>108676798see >>108676772>I've never spent a penny on anything DRMCope harder Valvenigger.When the only defense you have to defend your steaming heap of shit DRM store is "b-b-b-but there were some extreme cases of worse DRM", you know you've lost.Bend over, Gay Ben demands his pound of flesh.
>>108676786>You're arguing with multiple peopleIf you want to hijack the conversation then you better be ready to stand up for claims made by the previous anon. I do not care about your goalposting, I merely replied to the original claim.
>>108667927it doesn't it squeezes your face just like the quest does, a third party strap is mandatory
>>108676803You are trying too hard to fit in.
>>108667702>make DRM shitbox>the same limitations of consoles>but none of the advantages of sharing gamesValvedrones everywhere.
>>108676820>extreme casesif you were actually literate and understood theory of mind you'd understand that that level of drm would be still here and way more intrusive whether steam was a thing or notpc is simply too free of a platform by default and you can't guarantee antipiracy with hardware, hence why it was fucking dying until steam stabilised the market
>>108676830This image enrages and confuses the DRMcuck.
>>108676821It's not my fault you're either deliberately disingenuous or completely unintelligent to the point you can't understand what a person is saying without it being explicitly and scientifically spelled out for you.As multiple people have already proved it, you are just wrong and the anon is just correct. See this >>108676803 >>108676856
>>108676855>b-b-b-but DRM COULD HAVE BEEN WORSEvalvenigger desperately talking in hypotheticals to defend his kike DRM storeKEK
>>108676844>the same limitations of consoles
>>108667702
>>108676855>and way more intrusive whether steam was a thing or notAre Valvetards really this delusional?
>>108676866>hypotheticalsstarforce and securom existedtherefore their descendants would still exist if physical was the dominant method of distributionyou're not getting files on a disc with no strings attached in 2026, that's basically turning games into fucking shareware out the gate, consoles enforce this with hardware side drmwhy do you refuse to live in reality?
>>108676896>valvenigger STILL desperately talking in hypotheticals to defend his kike DRM store
>>108676844>the same limitations of consolesIt's a PC.>but none of the advantages of sharing gamesTechnically it's better at sharing games even on Steam. But it being a PC means you and your friends can pirate games as much as you want.
>>108676864Not an argument.
>>108676885>gogyou're not allowed to share their licenses and the store is performing so poorly that cdpr sold itthey're only allowed to exist and make pocket change because steam set the bar for drm pretty low, all it offers is the ability to install games offlineyou get the same effect by downloading steam games and cracking them and it takes about as much effort too, it's basically just a flavor>>108676906but you're talking in hypotheticalsby endlessly raging about steam you're implying that things would be a fucking utopia without them when there are clear signs that shit would only have gotten worse
>>108676896The newest console I own is a PS3 that was a gift that hasn't been turned on for 10 years and which I've never personally purchased any games for.But at the basic level, I still respect console faggots more that Valvetard DRM cucks like you.You defend your DRM cuck cult like a religion despite the fact they utterly destroyed all of PC gaming rights. Meanwhile consolepeasants actually tried to rebel against both MS and Sony when they tried to pull off their online DRM shit.Even when consumer rights groups tried to restore rights for PC gamers, you actually sided with the DRM kikes. You are literal untermensch.
>>108676943no, you're just a frenzied retard that can't use basic logic to understand the consequences of his choicesyou can't allow transfer and reselling of digital licenses, it's simply not feasible and it will end with everyone re-arming their games with aggressive drm that locks games down to accounts, hurting everyone who was okay with the system meanwhile the games that don't do it suddenly have all their long term revenue cut to zero
>>108676943>template memesHave you lost your way to reddit?
>>108676974>dabs on your valvetard coping
>>108676994yes, i've seen your post the first timeread >>108676939
>>108676992>underage valvenigger doesn't remember the thread when this was made and posted on /g/ahh yes, the valvenigger zoomie who was born into a life of DRM shacklesno wonder you worship your DRM kike store, you've literally known nothing but a life of slavery and servitudeyou have never even tasted true freedom in your life
>>108677004see >>108676994
>>108676933>an argument that proves me wrong is not an argument!I'm laughing at your retarded ass.
>>108677007I can't even understand what you are trying to say at this point. Your meltdown is pretty funny ngl
>>108676974I bought a copy of Stardew on GOG, I modded out the niggers and replaced everyone with anime waifus, I played the shit out of it. Then I gave a copy to a friend who had never heard of it, even played some LAN. Now she plays it mostly and I've essentially given it to her and have no plans to play it again. It's been transferred.Valvetards could only dream of having such freedom.inb4 the Valvetard trying to whataboutism DRM-free games that make up a pathetic 2% of Steam's DRM gulag.https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
>>108677013why are you such a disingenuous cultist? you're not even trying to engage, you have your preconceived notions and just sperg out and preach over and overgog is not better than steam, get it through your thick skull
>>108677061Damn, you sound like someone who is totally 18 years or older.
>>108677061ok, you broke the agreement, that's just as legitimate as cracking your steam copy, see >>108677073
>>108677073>b-b-b-but unenforceable bullshit no one cares aboutMeanwhile your steaming shit DRM store is enforced before you can even make a purchase.
>>108667702I want the steam frame and I want it nowI have an old vive and I recently set it up again and remembered why I don't use itI want a real headsetAnd I'm not buying meta's locked down shit that requires an account, steam frame running an open OS will be fucking amazing
>>108677073>>gog is not better than steam>this is what valveniggers actually believe
>>108677093so the legal rights don't matter now?cool, steam cracks are just as unenforceable and the purchase of steam games comes with steam integration that grants you more featuresnow what was your argument?
>>108676943valveniggers should be rounded up and lynched like the subhuman nigger trash they are baka desu senpai
>>108677103you give me no reason to think otherwiseyou have the same rights as on steam, just differently flavored
>>108677126>the same rights as on steam
>>108677143posting reaction images won't change the fact that you have nothing to saystay in your ego bubble and refuse to engage all you want, if you're not even trying to convince anyone then you already lost
>>108677106EULAs are not legal rights
>>108677165if we go by actual laws then they make no distinction between steam and gog
>>108677116Based.
>>108677152>>108677182>valvetard unironically trying to defend the legal rights of his DRM kike store>not consumer rights>not consumer convenience>no, the rights of the DRM kike store>>108677116100% this.
>>108677227you're unironically defending console drm, pretending gog is any better, sit in the past believing physical can survive and you don't understand the basic economics of why digital reselling is simply unviableyou have nothing, you're twisting yourself into pretzels because all you're motivated by is pure emotionderangement
>>108677182No, if you go by actual laws both are in the gray area.But, the GOG EULA would be ruled as invalid in almost any European court. The fact is they sell games as perpetual/indefinite licenses and effectively sell them and treat them as products. They also advertise the games as completely and forever DRM-free, which would mean their licenses are irrevocable and non-enforceable aside from the basic copyright protection laws. A GOG user has a complete right to give or re-sell their game as long as they destroy their own copy of that game even under the current laws. And with Stop Killing Games this will become an EU-wide and probably a global law.
>>108677182EULAs are not legal, the way they dictate terms is often illegal and thus will never hold up in court. It's why suing over EULAs almost never happen. But then a DRM cocksucker valvedrone wouldn't know about that would they?Here's what one developer decided to put in their EULA to dab on your DRM cuck store.https://store.steampowered.com/eula/1091500_eula_0?eulaLang=english
>>108677255no, if the law was ever to crack down on gog they would drag steam into ityou'd be getting the same outcome
>>108677280>they would drag steam into it"the law" won't "crack down" on GOG. A customer would by suing GOG or reporting GOG to consumer advocacy groups. The thing is nobody cares about this because people who would buy second hand games will just pirate games for free instead. So there's no real second hand market in PC gaming, which is why GOG isn't being fucked in the ass by regulators.But if you were to drag down GOG into a court you'd win a legal battle to be able to sell your game. GOG would have to remove access to that game from your account, then transfer the game to the buyer's account or not do anything in case the buyer is buying the game offline.Technically same would apply to Steam, yes, but there's a much stronger case to be made against GOG. Especially since Steam abstracts this a lot more and tightly ties gaming to their client. While GOG games are primarily distributed as offline installers, just like a home console disc would be (and home console physical games can be resold, 100% legally, despite the fact that many if not most have EULAs stating otherwise).It's the same shit as the red stickers placed on top of screwdrivers in some hardware where you're told "unscrewing this breaks warranty" despite that not being enforceable, at least not in EU.
>>108677346>But if you were to drag down GOG into a court you'd win a legal battle to be able to sell your game.even if we assume it'd go just as you say with no knock on effects and steam was never involved, then what?gog would just go bankrupt, they'd become a case study as to what not to doif they were legally obligated to not include any drm then people would grab the installers, hold onto them on their backup drives and sell themyou've effectively turned your game into shareware and no one would put their games there and what's there would be making no money for gogresellable digital licenses are simply perfect>physical is limited by condition, digital isn't>physical is limited by being tied to an object that needs to be moved, digital isn't>physical needs you to move your ass to sell or buy it, digital can be done with a few clicks>physical delivery time is limited by the speed of mail and costs money to move around, digital can be sold to someone on the other side of the planet and they can be playing the game within the hour
>>108677420>valvenigger unironically trying to -on a free as in freedom respecting board- justify his DRM kike store reaming him in the ass every day and that games should not be allowed to be resoldKEK literally >>108676943
>>108677438>still no argumentif digital reselling is viable then why has no one done it?
>>108677420>gog would just go bankruptYou do realize people keep saying this for years because GOG games are DRM-free and they're trivial to pirate? You can ALREADY download ALL GOG games FOR FREE and verify they're the original, untampered game installers. Yet GOG has not gone bankrupt. Why do you think that is?>if they were legally obligated to not include any drmThey already don't include any DRM, what the fuck are you on about?>people would grab the installers, hold onto them on their backup drives and sell themYes, welcome to flea markets. People do this all the time in some places. People have been doing this ever since the PS1 was released since CDs were easy to copy. This does not affect sales just like re-selling physical copies or pirating does not affect sales.>>108677451Read my post you're replying to. It's not needed in the case of GOG since anyone who wants to get a cheap or free GOG game can just pirate it. No re-sale mechanism is necessary.As for why nobody has done it it's obvious, money and control. But I have some suspicion that the EU will soon crack down on this and force digital storefronts to allow re-selling software or at least games for now. The crux of the SKG meeting at the EU parliament was that digital goods are being sold as physical goods and we should have the same regulations and rights with both since we live in a digital age.
>>108677451Few people give a shit about reselling. People care about easily lending or giving away their old games, a concept alien and frightening to Valvedrones because it's "bad for Gay Ben" and hurts their DRM kike store.
>>108677486>You do realize people keep saying this for years because GOG games are DRM-free and they're trivial to pirate?there's a massive legal distinction between reading between the lines and pirating and pirating and getting your money back being directly encouraged by the lawgog is already failing, cdpr sold them offyou don't sell something if you think it can make money>what the fuck are you on about?i'm talking about the scenario where they're forced to make things resellable, drm would be the only way to protect their revenueif they can't do that then they can kiss making money goodbye>People have been doing this ever since the PS1 was released since CDs were easy to copy. This does not affect sales just like re-selling physical copies or pirating does not affect sales.read the distinction between physical and digital i maderealise that consoles have copy protection, pc games don'tthere will be no barriers here, if you're a developer you're just completely fucked, you get nothing out of this arrangement>Read my post you're replying to. It's not needed exactly, things are fine the way they are>But I have some suspicion that the EU will soon crack down on this and force digital storefronts to allow re-selling software or at least games for nowand if that happens then the entire industry will move to aggressive antipiracy measures that put you back at square one, aggressive drm that can't just be lifted by replacing one file
>>108677530then just use family sharing or give them a cracked copy? you have the means to fucking do things already, are you upset because it's not officially sanctioned?selling is literally the only reason why you'd give a shit about the law when it comes to transferrability
>>108677582see >>108676310
>>108677671see >>108676584
>>108677687see >>108676310
>>108677693ok, what if i want to mod games, change the settings or play them on different hardware?why is it okay for consoles to limit games but you throw a shitfit about a niche use that already exists and you're mad because daddy government isn't putting a stamp on it?
>>108677709>valvenigger keeps desperately bringing up consoles in a pathetic attempt to make his DRM kike store look like a better optionKEK
>>108667702I haven't bought a VR headset since the OG rift. So the new steam headset will be a huge upgrade for me. First thing I'll do is look at porn.
>>108677709see >>108676943
>>108671747One makes you weaker, the other makes you stronger.
>>108675676>It's in between a 3050 and 3060 when it comes to power. That's more than enough to run almost every single game at 1080p or even 1440p@120Hz without using FSR.I have a 4060 and I only rarely hit 1080p 120Hz in any game released in the last few years unless it's indie, nevermind 1440p
>>108677731but you're the one that brings them up, schizomind telling me what the left side of the image says? >>108676310if you want to keep it strictly pc then wrangle the other retard away from repeatedly quoting ityou already lost on that front anyway, you're not allowed to transfer any digital software and physical pc drm was significantly worse than steam
>>108677771see >>108676310
>>108677535>drm would be the only way to protect their revenueGames sold on GOG are fully DRM-free yet GOG was fully functioning for almost 2 decades even if you think that their recent change of ownership means it "no longer works" as a platform. So clearly DRM is not needed to "protect revenue".>and if that happens then the entire industry will move to aggressive antipiracy measures that put you back at square one, aggressive drm that can't just be lifted by replacing one fileI'm perfectly fine with that as long as it means I can re-sell what I buy (without being forced to pay some middleman fees) and as long as DRM-free platforms like GOG and itch.io remain active.Basically, if Steam makes an uncrackable DRM scheme but gives me the option to sell anything away from my library to anyone with no discrimination or fees, that's perfectly fine and it's MUCH better than the status quo of paying for a game without actually owning it.I care less about GOG having a "re-sell a game" feature since it's already DRM-free and I'm not being micromanaged if I legally own a game or not and who I give my game away to.
>>108670302patents dont always mean product features
>>108669962that's what corrective lenses are for bro?
>>108677915>Games sold on GOG are fully DRM-free yet GOG was fully functioning for almost 2 decadesi wouldn't call it fully functioningmore like subsisting and now it's questionable if it even does that if cdpr didn't think the passive revenue from it was worth holding onto>I'm perfectly fine with that as long as it means I can re-sell what I buy (without being forced to pay some middleman fees) and as long as DRM-free platforms like GOG and itch.io remain active.here's the thingyou WON'T get thatdigital reselling offers such a raw deal and would be so destructive to their revenue that the DRM would be focused entirely around preventing reselling entirely and locking it to your account through draconian trackingthis wouldn't be improving anything, you'd get the same thing but now everyone content with steam and willing to work around its limitations is fuckedinstead of locking the door like what steam does you'll now have the door perpetually open and everything has to be glued to the floor and locked down individually
>>108676570>It effectively does. You cannot launch a game without having the Steam Client unless you fuck around with the game files by removing the DRM.This is just a retarded statement. It's 100% up to the game dev whether they include any kind of DRM or not. Same goes for mandatory steamworks integration, the developer can make steamworks a required component to run the game but they do not have to if they don't want to.Plenty of games on Steam can be copied from 1 computer to another and then run without even having Steam installed on the second computer.
>>108677963>you'd get the same thing but now everyone content with steam and willing to work around its limitations is fuckedGood. Fuck Valveniggers. You fucking cucks destroyed PC gaming.
>>108678002see >>108676543
>>108678002called it>>108677061>inb4 the Valvetard trying to whataboutism DRM-free games that make up a pathetic 2% of Steam's DRM gulag.>https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
>>108678009>destroyed it by making it more convenient while letting you have your schizo niche without intruding on youwhy are you so desperate for attention? i know you're not the guy that's arguing with me, do you think your posts are downvotes or something?i understand your reddit centric beliefs based on collecting plastic and posting it to reddit but you should let go, even consoles are dropping physical hard
>>108678036Shut the fuck up, retard. Just admit you were wrong and kill yourself to save everyone else the suffering of having to interact with someone as low IQ as you.Whether all games on Steam are DRM free or only a handful are makes literally no difference. The statement I replied to was "DRM is mandatory on Steam, you cannot launch a game without Steam running and you have to modify the game to get rid of that", when that is very obviously wrong. You can launch DRM free Steam games without even having Steam installed. You'd only need to use Steam to download those games.Also that list you posted doesn't even include the one game I know from personal experience which has no DRM. That's a very complete "all DRM free games on Steam" list you got there. >>108678029I don't give a fuck about your special snowflake DRM definition. To me DRM is software that tries to prevent you from infringing copyright and I don't care to argue over any other retarded and useless definitions.
>>108677963>i wouldn't call it fully functioning>more like subsisting and now it's questionable if it even does that if cdpr didn't think the passive revenue from it was worth holding ontoGOG was sold back to one of the original co-founders who still owns a huge chunk of CD Projekt. And the platform only got better last year since they've added a bunch of community mods and patches for some games directly to their store, they started hiring more people to improve their own client and website, they started hiring people for Linux development, etc. This is not a sign of a failing business.CD Projekt separating from GOG was more of a management or reorganization move than anything else. They probably did this to make sure each entity can focus on it's own goal rather than having to satisfy the same shareholders. They likely also did this for tax reasons. As you've said GOG isn't as profitable as CD Projekt, but this would also mean GOG alone might get better tax breaks due to lower profit margins.At the end of the day GOG is still owned by one of the biggest shareholders of CD Projekt, so the companies are still very tight.>DRM would be focused entirely around preventing reselling entirelyWe already have this now. The difference is: it would be legally mandated that people CAN re-sell games. DRM preventing this would be illegal.>this wouldn't be improving anythingIt clearly would. People would be able to sell the games they've purchased. Meaning actual customers are wasting less money, sales would also be much higher. Piracy would potentially go down. Everyone wins, except pirates. Which I'm not that opposed to since we already have terabytes of pirateable games and it wouldn't mean DRM-free games would cease to exist.>you'd get the same thingNo, you wouldn't be scammed out of your money. People who want cheap games would be able to buy them through the 1st party store.>>108678041Ye, the guy interjecting is not me
>>108678145>Valvenigger seething over his DRM cuck store being exposed for the heap of shit it isSeethe harder DRM cuck.
>>108678380yes, consoles are faux physical that are loaded with horrendous hardware drm, why wouldn't i celebrate?this is like "patriots" obsessing and wasting their life over football, a complete surrogate activity that accomplishes nothing they stand for
>>108678273what you said doesn't exactly debunk what i saidfor cdpr selling gog was obviously only a financial decisionif what you said is true and it's being sold back to the original owner then that means it was an ideological decision, like musk buying twitterthose aren't exactly contrary to one another, cdpr might want it gone since it's not making money and the original owner wants it for sentimental value, not money>We already have this now. The difference is: it would be legally mandated that people CAN re-sell games. DRM preventing this would be illegal.then you'd simply see a business model shiftgames would be released like gachas but you're paying for all the gameplay piecemealyou can't just keep legislating against businesses wanting to make money on gamesif you push them hard enough they'll just stopyour ideology is all fine and dandy until everyone loses and you legislate the market away into oblivionlook at nuclear, all the governments fucked it over because muh green energy was more important and now everyone is paying out of the ass because they didn't buy nucleareverything in life is a transaction and by pushing so hard against one side you've pushed them off the scale and there would be no transactions happening at all
>>108672042>This. I'd pay maybe €400 top for it, and that's already too much considering that a Series S/PS5 can be found around that price. Even €600 gaming laptops are better in terms of performance than the Steam MachineYou wouldn't be able to buy anything with comparable specs for that kind of money without getting really good used deals. something like:>Ryzen 7500f $100>cpu cooler $10>B650 $85>8gb sodim ddr5 $50 (used 4800mt)>sodim to dim ram adapter $5>rtx 2060 $100>fire hazard psu + cardboard pc case $15>250GB SSD $25is probably as close as you can get, and the odd $600 laptop with a decent dgpu, is probably going to have an nvidia one which'll have worse driver support in steam OS or other linux distributions. $400-500 Is probably what volvo pays for these things in materials alone and they've already telegraped that they want a larger margin on their hardware than normal console manufacturers.>>108677764>I have a 4060 and I only rarely hit 1080p 120Hz in any gameturn down the graphical settings.
>>108667702By far and away most excited for the controller. Looks amazing. If I weren't broke, I'd be interested in the others too.
>>108667702I have the 2015 Steam Controller, and its build quality is questionable.
>>108678529>what you said doesn't exactly debunk what i said>for cdpr selling gog was obviously only a financial decisionI'm not looking to debunk anything, we don't actually know the real reason why it happened. It happened behind closed doors. I'm just saying that finances may be a part of it, but they're unlikely to be the main reason.>if what you said is true and it's being sold back to the original owner then that means it was an ideological decision, like musk buying twitterThat's exactly what the public was told. They said that they want to separate GOG from CD Projekt because:a) GOG is a pro-gamer passion project which doesn't need large profit margins while CDP is a profit driven game dev studiob) Some of the founders were unhappy with the lack of innovation and effort coming from CDP regarding GOGc) There were fears that CDP would distance itself from the original goals of GOG and screw over consumers for a profit gainI agree with you that the GOG model is *potentially* less financially lucrative than using DRM like Steam and Play Store do. I'm just saying that them being DRM-free does not mean they're unsustainable or collapsing. They recently started hiring more engineers, which you don't do in this economy unless you're financially doing well.>games would be released like gachas but you're paying for all the gameplay piecemealI mean, that's just speculation and this is already happening anyway. But I personally wouldn't care. I vote with my wallet by not buying games as a service or games that have DRM or a ton of DLCs. That's why I primarily shop on GOG, itch.io and HumbleBundle.>if you push them hard enough they'll just stopAnd I'm fine with that too. A business that cannot exist without exploiting people should not exist. Might as well argue for slavery and tax evasion at that point.
>>108677486>verify they're the original, untampered game installersoff topic but can you explain the best way to do this i have a few from varying years and i heard the signing changed on the installers whats your method?
>>108678864yes, there's no point in talking about gogit's not the drm free model that's making them barely subsist, it's the low demand for it, their niche is irrelevant for people as steam is more conducive to actually playing games>I mean, that's just speculation and this is already happening anyway.not at all, that's hyperbolewhat would happen is that every single part of the game would become a service and you'd get no baselineimagine minecraft but you're paying for playtime like arcade machines and where you have to unlock the nether and the end by paying smaller sums that in the end add up to the price of the game>And I'm fine with that too. A business that cannot exist without exploiting people should not exist.no, you feel exploited, not the consumersthe current system satisfies the vast majority of people and those who don't like it have avenues of bypassing ityou're proposing we burn it all down just so you can benefit and everyone else loses the stability and convenienceand for what practical benefit? if it's about the money and getting to sell a game after you're done, you can pirate, it costs nothingif you want to give the game to someone then just put the cracked version on a flash drive, no one is going to know you did it and you won't be punishedhoarding plastic is the only functional benefit here and that's the most vain way of doing it, if you want backups just dump it all on an HDD and bubblewrap it
>>108667702>fastfetch in vrholy shit, this changes everything.
>>108679089>imagine minecraft but you're paying for playtime like arcade machines and where you have to unlock the nether and the end by paying smaller sums that in the end add up to the price of the gameAgain, this is a non-argument. These types of games already exist and have already existed since forever. Ever heard of World of Warcraft, the monthly subscription game which also requires you to re-buy the game every time an expansion is released? Ever heard of RuneScape, the game where you need a monthly subscription to access 90% of the content? Ever heard of The Sims, the game where you need to buy 20 different CDs to get all DLCs? And these are just examples from 20 years ago. Ever heard of Hearthstone, MTG Arena or Yugioh Master Duel, the games where you pretty much have to buy game pieces? Ever heard of Genshin Impact or League of Legends etc.? And as you've already said, arcade machines are also an example that this was happening since forever.Shit games will be shit and shit distribution/access methods will exist no matter the laws. And no matter the laws, there will always be good indie and AA games which aren't anti-consumer.But forcing game stores to let people sell games would be a 100% pro-consumer move in every aspect. There's no negative impact here.>those who don't like it have avenues of bypassing itBreaking the law and risking infecting your PC with malware as a way to "bypass" the flaws of the current model isn't a good thing, anon. It would be better for everyone involved if people could re-sell games.>you can pirate, it costs nothingAnd you will continue to be able to pirate even if you can re-sell games in storefronts. But this allows you to get non-pirateable games cheaper.
>>108672114>They are trying to sell a Meta Quest 3S competitor for the premium Index priceThe price is not out yet, and they have stated it will be below index price.
>>108667702Gib Steam Frame, NAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Also, funny how some people get a hard-on for managing physical media to get their games running. You guys are aware that physical media rots and your time on Earth is limited, right? I use Steam because they let me play my games on my Linux PC without ANY hassle like fixing weird configs n shit. And no, your diy backup isn't as safe as the data in professionally maintained data centers and also, Valve is doing everyone a huge favor by making Linux more usable for normal people by investing time/money in projects like proton. Also, Timmy sucks.
>>108679605>Ever heard of World of Warcraft, the monthly subscription game which also requires you to re-buy the game every time an expansion is released? Ever heard of RuneScape, the game where you need a monthly subscription to access 90% of the content? Ever heard of The Sims, the game where you need to buy 20 different CDs to get all DLCs? And these are just examples from 20 years ago. Ever heard of Hearthstone, MTG Arena or Yugioh Master Duel, the games where you pretty much have to buy game pieces? Ever heard of Genshin Impact or League of Legends etc.?and do you want EVERY game to become like that? because that's what it would encourage considering you just told every developer that if you don't do that then you can kiss your long term revenue goodbye since everyone will just scavenge "used" copies>And no matter the laws, there will always be good indie and AA games which aren't anti-consumer.no, such a move is the most punishing to those developers especially, they can't even potentially eat the costsyou'd kill indie game development as a career path>But forcing game stores to let people sell games would be a 100% pro-consumer move in every aspect.and the system is a balance of producers and consumersproducers which you've all just fucked over and told them to go as defensive as possible because you've lifted ALL their protections>Breaking the law and risking infecting your PC with malware as a way to "bypass" the flaws of the current model isn't a good thing, anon.if you're not competent enough to pirate then you deserve to pay>And you will continue to be able to pirate even if you can re-sell games in storefronts.no, you won'tyou should stop imagining things can only be better, again i've told you that for the system to work you need to balance the needs of both sidesin this system you'll either have hardcore drm that you can't just bypass by replacing a single file 10 minutes after launch or won't have games to pirate at all
>>108679767>multiple better optionsname something with>dedicated dongle>even weight balance>actual linux not dependent on androidif you can't name anything you've proven your valve derangement syndrome
>>108680228point me to any of the headsets with the following features>dedicated dongle>even weight balance>actual linux not dependent on androidwhy are you squirming?
>>108667702its wireless, its going to suck ass, the latency will be there and it will be noticeable, I wish there was a USB-C option, and it will cost like $800 at least so its DOAQuest is cheaper, and comparable specs, but you have to hack it in order to make it compatible.. I will ask my sugarmommy to get these for me though.
>>108680481yes, vr headsets? that's what the poster was talking about?are you illiterate too on top of being clearly brain addled, mentally ill and obsessed?you said there were multiple better optionsso what are the options?
>>108680424dedicated 6ghz dongle and foveated streaming
>>108680534that's even worse dude, USB-C and wireless dongle will have more latency than PCIe connection dongle, like if you think you can hook up a 10Gbps dongle via USB-C you will quickly find out that latency matters
>>108680563Bitrate isn't going to be anywhere close to 10Gbps lmaoIt's a compressed video stream, it's going to be in the range of several hundred Mbps at most. The capture + encode + decode processes are probably going to take more time than the wireless transmission from a dedicated transceiver to the headset within lint of sight in the same room.
>>108680563everyone that has tested it has stated that latency was low and that they couldn't catch foveated streaming lagging behind
>>108667702>want to shut down the VR headset but all you can see is a giant white on black floating sentence "A poettering job is running ( fuck you:^) / no limit )"
>>108680646well idk, my pc has a wifi card i dont use it, its 2.5Gbps to 10Gbps router with 6E i think, so i would be sol or id have to get PCIe card with new wifi or one of those m.2 wifi card replacements
>>108680502>DRM cuck seething so hard defending his morbidly obses DRM overlord he cant even see straight and follow the reply chainkek
>>108680704can you? you replied to >>108679716 with >>108679767i guess your seething is so blind and rage filled and full of ESLism that one can't even tell as to what the fuck you're talking about
>it was all one guy shitting up the threadlmao
>>108667702Wild they are still trying to make VR a thing. Fuck gayben.
>>108680802>valvedrone is illiterate or adhd and can only read the first 50 characters per postnot even surprised
>>108681040no, i expected more from you than just blind seethe without any actual argumentationi'm sorry for overestimating you, you really are that awful at thishonestly steam benefits from mental illness like this, you're making them look better if this is the quality of their enemies
ok gabe you win I'm buying alyxnow release the frame
>>108680698I don't understand exactly what you're trying to say, pretty sure the Frame is going to come with its own dedicated wireless dongle in the box. It's not going to run over your existing WiFi shit.
>>108681124the dongle is optional but yeah it comes with it
>>108679890>and do you want EVERY game to become like thatThis will never happen.>such a move is the most punishing to those developers especially, they can't even potentially eat the costsNo, it's not. You're delusional and just parroting the talking points of big corpos which want to take away your freedom and property.Indie developers almost always make DRM-free games anyway. The original Slay the Spire, Terraria and Stardew Valley are 10-15 years old and get 10k-50k monthly Steam players. By your logic they would get 0 sales and players just because they all offer DRM-free versions on GOG. Anyone can RIGHT NOW easily download a GOG installer of one of these games and get a permanent, albeit illegal, ownership of the installer and play the games FOR FREE. Meanwhile when you actually open your eyes you'll see that the studios of these games are still working on them, after a decade. If piracy or re-sales actually killed sales, these games or even console games wouldn't exist.Also, this would actually BENEFIT indie devs.Just think about the 2nd and 3rd order effects here. I, as a paying customer, will buy 10 games at full price. Then a year later I'll sell them at 20% of the original price so I can afford 2 new games I want to play. So instead of amounting to 10 sales, I actually amount to 12 sales. The players who will buy games from me are not interested in paying the full price, or clearly even a 10%-70% discounted price. They would never buy the games anyway or wouldn't even be on the platform if they couldn't get re-sale deals. So there's more exposure at no cost.>in this system you'll either have hardcore drm that you can't just bypass by replacing a single file 10 minutes after launch or won't have games to pirate at allAgain, stop spewing nonsense. We've invented multiple forms of DRM over the past 30 years and yet DRM-free games are still being sold. I have a feeling you're deliberately being retarded here. What you're saying is a blatant lie.
>>108681067>DRM cuck gets utterly destroyed by fact>claims victorytruly the appleniggers of gaming, literally worshipping the worst of all options and defending getting cucked
>>108681179if you weren't mentally ill you wouldn't need to ban evadedon't call anyone a nigger when you're incapable of discussion and repeat the same shit over and over like a cultist chanting prayers to carry out your fatwa
>>108681168>This will never happen.if you give them incentive then it will>You're delusional and just parroting the talking points of big corpos which want to take away your freedom and property.Indie developers almost always make DRM-free games anyway.you fundamentally misunderstand what i'm sayingDRM free is NOT being able to resell digital as even those DRM free games don't allow for that>The original Slay the Spire, Terraria and Stardew Valley are 10-15 years old and get 10k-50k monthly Steam players. By your logic they would get 0 sales and players just because they all offer DRM-free versions on GOG.see abovethe situation would change DRASTICALLY if everyone with a steam copy could suddenly sell theirs for less than what the developer sells it forNO ONE would buy a "new" digital copy when a "used" copy is exactly the same and cheaperonce you teach the customers that they can wait a bit to get the game for less you're not reversing it>We've invented multiple forms of DRM over the past 30 years and yet DRM-free games are still being sold.again, DRM free does NOT mean digitally resellableget back to me once you reinterpret everything with this in mind
>>108667702I just care about the gamepad desuMaybe the headset but I don't have the space for VR.
>>108681220if you weren't mentally ill you wouldn't need to justify being a DRM cucki've never been banned in 20 years on /g/ either, tranny jannies that got their feefees hurt can delete a post and go cry to mods and request a ban, but that's all it is, a request
>>108681667who the fuck do you think you're fooling? you've been banned and you're obviously not going to admit ban evasion even though that's obviously what's happening here
>>108681685>DRM cuck meltylove the see it
>>108681843don't accuse anyone of melting down if all you can do is repeat the same religious mantra over and over
>>108681849>>108681843
>>108667702Yeah no>get pico 4 pro>use steam VR>get cancer immediately, immediate pajeetness and random stupid stuff happening>literally have to open the game manually outside the headset to get into the gameshit memory leaks too>>108668565>buy game in 2004>try to install same game from 2004 on a 2004 machine>can't do itvalve simps will defend this
>>108681961>valve is at fault for microsoft killing off the operating system
>>108681987valve is at fault for making the game be reliant on a DRM that requires internet connection, despite having the full game on a disc, when it did not need that and now requires a crack/steamemu to work.
>>108682002>valve should maintain support for windows xpbe an adult for once and place the blame at the entity that shits out operating systems and kills them
>>108676866You're in every single one of these threads saying the same old shit using the exact same language every time. You have decided to build your entire personality around this. Are you the Mac and AI and babyduck schizo as well? I think you are. Your a fucking retard, son. It doesn't matter how much you want to turn this into your life's mission, it's just computer games. Pirating all your shit doesn't make you a freedom fighter, it just makes you a russian. You're also a fag. For your information, I don't even game so call me a Valvenigger all you want, all you're doing is feeding your profound mental illness. I would say get help. I don't care if you do. So I'm just going to laugh at you, like everyone else in this thread does every time you post your next clusterfuck of bullshit and faggotry. Grow the fuck up sometime you schizo motherfucker.
>>108676943>>108677116if you don't want to obvious samefag stop using the same terminology in all of your posts.
>>108681667you get your shit banned all the time and you're too young to have been on 4chan for 20 years. everything you say and do is a lie. and it's all you have. that's kind funny to be honest.
All I gotta say is assuming they price it OK (depending on market conditions) I might get one because I've fooled around with both long HDMI cables and streaming and both are tedious in their own ways. So maybe having something dedicated would be good. That said I have enough spare parts around, I can build something possibly, but an integrated package looks nice.
>>108682592the real upside of it all being one one board is that you can take it into a car and not be worried about the gpu raping the pcie slot out of existencethis thing would make for a killer lan box
>>108667702Yeah I'm interested in all of it, if the price is right
The gabecube isn't a bad idea since good small form factor PCs are usually overpriced as hell. But there's no way it won't be overpriced too unless they throw in the towel and offer a ramless version.
Hardware? more like vaporware Valve should either sell it at a loss or just cancel it - cause it wont be worth the real price
>>108667702I've wanted to buy into VR for a long time, and with all the money I have from selling CS crates to losers I'll actually be able to afford it. I hope it's a fucking good deal.
>>108682018>Don't blame the company that made the product!!!Those boots must be tasty.
>>108684951That product being windows?
>>108685393Windows XP still works. Steam on Windows XP not so much. Valve made the changes that made Steam not useable anymore and not Microsoft.
>>108682424>>108681843
>>10868539370% of games on Steam were XP-era at the time and still worked on XP, Valve decided to tell everyone on XP to fuck off and deny access to their entire library of XP games.Guzzle that DRM cum more.
>>108685393>buy gog game on xp>installable and usable on xp forever>buy steam game on xp>steam tells you to get fucked and stops supporting xp>cant play any games at all anymore on xp, cant even build a retro setup because steam DRM flat out prevents installation on older OSs>repeat for vista>repeat for w7>repeat for w8>repeat for w10 in a year or two as welland valvecucks will just bend over and beg gay ben to ream them harder
>>108685456>>108685500>>108685521windows xp hasn't been supported for a long fucking time and it was explicitly killed by the company that made ityou're choosing to use a dead os and complain it's not unchanging like a fucking consoleif you want to use an os with less than 0.01% marketshare that no modern hardware supports then put in the work to make it work, retards
>>108685569can't hear your valvecuck coping over the sound of me installing and playing TES morrowind on my dedicated 2005 pentium 4 XP gaming system
valve is genuinely one of the most insidious companies of the modern erataught multiple generations to love drm, the inability to share games, nfts, gambling, grooming kids... the list goes on
>>108685592>grooming kidsare you the retard that wants digital ID?
>>108685632no. don't be retarded.i think if you're a company that sells products to kids, runs a defacto social network for kids, makes mountains of cash, you should spend some of that cash on moderation. gabe's yatchs are built off the back of thousands of molested children.
>>108685646how do you prevent kids from gambling without making steam enforce digital id?
>>108685653remove the gambling and all incentives that encourage off-site gamblingit's pretty easy actually, we didn't have any of that stuff before steam outside of a handful of degenerate mmorpgs
>>108685665>it wouldn't exist without steamok, start lobbying the government to ban casinos
>>108685679casinos don't let kids gamble(online casinos should be banned btw)
>>108685680casinos invented the practiceyou can't prevent kids gambling without digital idlive in the real world and propose real solutions, do you support digital id?if not, then the blame sits firmly with their parents
>>108685591Morrowind runs fine on my zen 5. Also works on windows 11, even if that's not what I use.
>>108685693as i said, online gambling should be illegal (including betting markets)but it's nice that you've moved away from talking about videogames and onto just gambling to deflect from the jeffrey epstein of videogames aka gabe newell tb h gabe makes jeff look like an amateurlet's talk about videogames againyou sound like you're addicted to opening lootboxeswe need to help you
>>108685703yes, it should be illegaland how do you enforce it?go on, real solutions here, digital id?
>>108685693>digital IDCrazy idea but preventing kids from getting addicted to gambling could be done by actually PARENTING the kids?But no, let's just strip everyone of their right to privacy instead!
>>108685706how do you enforce making online gambling illegal?the same way you enforce running child porn websites illegal.raid and jail the operators of the websites.this is really not that hard, anon.
>>108685713>raid and jail the operators of the websites.amazing idea, turn law into an offensive cudgel that lets anyone use kids to jail the competition
>>108685713That would just push them into hiding - gambling on the dark web using Monero.
>>108685719>muh slippery slopejust admit you have gambling problem anon.you should sue valve, really - they seem to have done some real damage.>>108685721yes, and it would massively reduce the scale of the problem. no solution is perfect, but it's better than inaction, complacency, or worse yet advocacy.
>>108685729you're the one that is so mindbroken by them that you want a government to create a vague law that can be used offensivelyeither lobby for all gambling to go or shut the fuck upor blame the parents, kids don't get money out of nowhere
>valvecucks unironically defending child casinos to shield their fat kike DRM overlord from criticismcant make this shit up
>>108685736>vague lawdoesn't sound very vague to me>or blame the parentsof course i blame the parents. but i also blame the predators like gabe who wait outside the schools leering at kids.
>>108685745>predators like gabe who wait outside the schools leering at kids.You better provide source if you attack someone's character like this, buddy!
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>>108685745>doesn't sound very vagueare you stupid? you're making excuses for casinos so you clearly don't mind gambling, but you want to have a law that somehow prevents kids from gambling despite not bringing up any fucking way to identify those kidsfuck off retard, either ban all gambling ever or let valve farm low iq cattle and retards that can't raise their kids, darwinism
>>108685783i'm a libertarian you see.i believe if an adult wants to walk into a casino, present some id, sit down and play some poker, that's their right.why do you want to ban that?you sound like one of those concerned mums who like to ban everything.
>>108667702I am very excited
>>108685783Isn't it funny how they pretend to care about plebs while constantly raping said plebs with inflation? They would use us as fuel if it wasn't illegal to do so.
Gaben and Steam stays winning
>>108685795yes, lolberts are known for toothless idealism and retarded ideasyou can't enforce your law without turning it into an offensive tool
>>108685804Me too! I've already stocked up on VR games/tools in preparation of finally getting my mits on a Steam Frame.
>>108685828>I've already stocked up on VR games/toolszamn, you got all 5?
>>108685824>cuckboy takes it up the ass>bleeding out from his reaming>has no games>has no rights, only licenses>has an empty wallet>claims victoryfriend's kid turned 5 this jan, gave her my old DS lite and games, a completely alien notion to valveniggers, because the basic premise of which requires comprehension of the concept of ownership which valveniggers have never experienced in their lives
>>108685862stop ban evading already
>>108685862>gets butthurt about DRM>somehow OK with games being tied to specific hardware (cartridge)Very confusing, anon.
>>108685828I think Metro Awakening is on 50% discount right now.One of the few good VR games.
>>108667702I would love to but the only way to get one as a SEAmonkey is importing them from Hong Kong.I don't feel like dealing with potential malfunction with zero support.
A youtuber uploaded his review of the Steam Controller, it got pulled, but he revealed the price is $100. To me that does not bode well for the price of the other hardware. It's not a $100 controller and Valve specifically went towards the cheap end of materials to keep the controller price down.
>>108686045>Valve specifically went towards the cheap end of materials to keep the controller price down.it's the most advanced controller out there by specs alone
>>108685862Not reading that, stay mad desperate thread spammer
>>108685923>gets butthurt about consoles>somehow OK with games being tied to specific hardware (x86)Very confusing cope, valvenigger.
>>108686067beg companies to submit risc-v designs to tsmc theni hope you're not an armcuck
>>108685569>windows xp hasn't been supported for a long fucking time and it was explicitly killed by the company that made itAnd Valve knew that and still made the changes that killed Steam on XP.I don't even use XP but your stupidity and boot licking should be called out.
>>108685923>>gets butthurt about cars>>somehow OK with public transit being tied to specific hardware (rails)>Very confusing, anon.valvetards can't even come up with a logical strawman
>>108686094valve has no obligation to support an extinct version of windows because of your nostalgiaeither move to linux or install cracks, no one cares what you do with something obsolete like that
>>108686107At least you accept that Valve is at fault and not Microsoft or any other company.
>>108686107console peasants have a million problemsbut waking up one day and getting cucked out of all their games isnt one of them unlike valvedronesKEK
>>108684816sex with shondo
>>108685700people really don't appreciate one of the only good things microsoft has done: compatibility modespeople on windows take it for granted that you can just launch shit from decades ago, but try doing that on mac or on linux, and the vast majority of the time it just won't work without a VM (and even then...)
>>108686141>the burial service is at fault for someone's death when they've clearly been stabbed and allowed to bleed to deathyou're a child>>108686182>but waking up one day and getting cucked out of all their gamesnice fanfictionxp was at 0.1% share before steam stopped supporting itno one is suddenly losing their fucking games, they're sticking to e waste 15 years past its prime as a retro fetishidk if you know how computers work but obsoleting hardware is a price you pay for having infinite backwards compatibility and that's a way better deal than having cucked and frozen versions of games
>>108685828>>108686010>alyx on discountHMMMMM
>>108684816you ready to spend $800+?
>>108681247>the situation would change DRASTICALLY if everyone with a steam copy could suddenly sell theirs for less than what the developer sells it forOkay? I really don't give a shit. Having the ability to sell the fucking property that you buy is significantly more important than the bottom line of a gaming company. I don't give a fuck what it will cost or what it will do to the community of game pirates, which seem to be your only concern. I want actual ownership. I do not want digital slavery.>you fundamentally misunderstand what i'm saying>again, DRM free does NOT mean digitally resellableYou have absolutely no idea what I'm trying to convey. Read everything again carefully...A DRM free game is effectively a free game. You can get it for $0. It never has to be purchased because it can just be pirated for free. If the ability to get indie games for free is not crushing indie game development, then the ability to re-sell games will have absolutely no impact.You're saying that if I sell a $20 game to my friend for $3, this will hurt indie devs. In reality my friend can just pirate the game anyway. So the worst case scenario is "nothing changes". But in reality this would only help indie devs. Because now I have an extra $3 to spend on indie games which I wouldn't normally have.>NO ONE would buy a "new" digital copy when a "used" copy is exactly the same and cheaperBy your logic games are basically killing themselves whenever the developers place discounts...You're just factually wrong. Most people have a limit of what they're willing to spend on games. If a $20 game never goes down to $5, then many people will just never buy the game at all or they'll pirate. But me selling the game for $5 would result in an economic contribution to the system. There'd be less of a demand for piracy, so game devs will get paid more.
>>108686365>The landlord was at fault and not the guy stabbing him with a knife.You're an even bigger child.
>>108685804don't get too excited. It's not a disappointment but close.I have mine for 5 days only but it is very meeehh.Especially when you take into account a price regular people will pay>$1099 basic version
>>108686550>1099they've said mutliple times it'd be cheaper than an index, and the full index kit is 1079it's likely they were talking about the headset+controllers kit which is 799the base model is going to be in the 600-799 range for sure. +100-150 for the bigger storage version and whatever dumb accessory like a bag or something they'll add
>>108686508but valve didn't stab anyoneyou know who did? microsoftvalve had discontinued xp support 5 years after microsoftin 2009 when microsoft discontinued mainstream support its share was at 61%in 2014 when microsoft discontinued extended support its share was at 6%by the time valve discontinued its support its share went down to 0.1%valve had waited for NINETY NINE POINT EIGHT PERCENT of 2009 xp users and NINETY EIGHT POINT THREE of 2014 xp users to leave
>>108686663>valve had discontinued xp support 5 years after microsoftYes which makes it 100% the fault of Valve. They knew there will be no update to Windows XP but still changed Steam in a way that it wouldn't work there anymore.
>>108669962You know the valve index has room to fit glasses right? You'll get slightly less fov cause the lenses are father away though.
>>108686686>it's valve's fault for not encouraging use of software with outdated securitydo you think being forced to shit on a toilet is a violation of your freedom?
>>108686486>Having the ability to sell the fucking property that you buy is significantly more important than the bottom line of a gaming company.and that's a retarded and solipsistic view, the world doesn't revolve around you> I don't give a fuck what it will cost or what it will do to the community of game pirates, which seem to be your only concern. no, you're only concerned about YOURSELFyou ignore that pretty much everyone who uses steam is satisfied with their service and you think that because you can't have your pipe dream that everything deserves to burn>A DRM free game is effectively a free gameit's not LEGALLY a free gameand that's what you're proposing here, free legal copies for everyoneyou can give someone a pirated copy but that doesn't carry the legitimacy of giving him a legal copy, it's not encouraged>By your logic games are basically killing themselves whenever the developers place discounts...they choose to do thatdo you think they'll choose to get $0 per copy?> But me selling the game for $5 would result in an economic contribution to the system.and not to the developer, it's like piracy but legal
>>108686696No but the toilet manufacturer coming into my home and taping the toilet lid down is.
>>108686744no, your plumbing doesn't comply with the standard required to be connected to the sewage system and you're upset that they don't want you connectedif you're so impoverished that you're stuck with some shitty pentium and can't upgrade to shit that's literal ewaste that can run 10 that's on you
>>108686718I'm done arguing with a person who is objectively wrong and makes disingenuous comments and arguments.
>>108686861there's nothing disingenuous here, you're just hellbent on myopically pushing to have more and morebarter is the foundation of humanity, not entitlement, you compromise or you have nothing to compromise over
>>108667702I'm not much interested in hardware anymore.I just want a computer that work as well as it did with Windows 7, but this no longer exist.I'm using linux that is the best option but it's still shit.
>>108686883Windows 7 was also quite shit. Even 10 years ago Linux was in a much better state than Windows in some areas.
