These luddites keep claiming A.I. is stealing their art but when you look at their portfolio or work it's always ugly dogshit that no one will ever steal and in fact people should have to paid for suffering through their sad excuse for "art"?I'm also an artist and I don't have AI derangement syndrome because I don't feel threatened by it.
>>108675250why don't you feel threatened by it?
>>108675250>I'm also an artistdo you know why artfags tend to make repulsive looking drawing?>meme comic by normal people: stickmen>meme comic by artfags: stickmen that look gross
idk but lately I've been noticing that art drawn by biological males and art drawn by biological females have enough differences that I can tell which gender the artist is. I have no one to share that tidbit with, so there you go 4chan.
You say the truth. No ones would have paid for 90% of artists because or they are so fucked up in their esthetics and worlview they think they're superior by learning jewish theory bullshit while giving you drawings worth the shit your kid do at School and looking down on you (the famous you can't understand)Or they are really really that bad and they should have choose something else.If you produce gems you'll find someone ready to pay,i was even considering it but when i started to search i didn't find anyone with a kind of Gérôme style and Charging less than 1000 euros. Plus i wanted something like antisemitic christian. Ultimately i started to practice drawing this year cause of this situation,that sucks because i know i don't have the talent and i don't have time to practice enough to get good.
>>108675269Why would I? I have actual creativity and can come up with actually interesting concepts and execute them. It's like oil painters autisticly screeching at photography because it can recreate the world perfectly. Or even traditional illustrators losing their shit when photoshop and illustrator came out. >>108675276They lack the technical skills and refuse to practice enough to get better?
>>108675303Check out the Andrew Loomis books, you can find them online for free and you can learn to draw quickly with them.
>>108675352hey thank you very much ,like it's style :)i was practising with charle bargue course.I also agree art is not dead at all and AI can't threaten a mind with imagination.how could ai picture the pictures i have in my head ? eh imagine trying to describe to ai Gustave Doré illustration of Beatrice and Dante looking at the sky with all the angels.
>>108675504Exactly, art is not only about technical skills or making pretty pictures, its about inspiring and coming up with new worlds and ideas that no one has imagined yet. GenAI can't really do that because it produces and average of everything that exists so it's very hard for it to actually create something novel, to be fair it's hard for people to create something novel as well and that's what separates the bad "artists" from the good "artists"
>>108675282And how exactly can you tell which is which?
>>108675637Human artists don't do anything else or do it better.GenAI can potentially indeed do everything very skilled human artists might do.
>>108675637human art is also the result of what that person has seen and experienced. i'm not convinced it's even possible to identify a truly new idea, everything is derivative.that's not to say current ai models are exactly the same as any human artist, that doesn't really make sense, an ai model can only be fairly compared to a single human artistin terms of practical usage, how generic an ai generated/assisted image looks also strongly comes down to the person using the tools. if you give it vague instructions it will give you the most generic result naturally. like if you say "a cat", you will get the most common depiction of the most common kind of cat, as you didn't ask for anything else. ai art tools can only replace the drawing part, it can't be creative for you, you still need to come up with something for it to draw yourself.
>>108675744>. i'm not convinced it's even possible to identify a truly new ideaAbsurdly stupid take, humans have always had new ideas
>>108675760that's not what i said. i said the issue is identifying them. as in like how do you actually prove an idea has truly never been thought of before and more importantly isn't completely a result of many combined experiences? that is, could the idea truly not have resulted from what you already knew?basically i'm sceptical that an AI model couldn't come up with what appears to be a new idea, something apparently not in its' training data, because i think the issue is more complex than it seems.
>>108675682except come up with an interesting and original idea.>>108675744GenAI has no agency and can't come up with original ideas on its own. It still needs a human driving force behind it. Also if something is not in it's dataset it can't create it. I tried making a teapot wearing headphones a while back with genAI and it couldn't do it so I just made it myself in 3D. Maybe models can do it now but last year they couldn't do it.
>>108675914This is the power of genAI....
>>108675914I gave the image to Gemini to generate a prompt and then I gave the prompt to qwen image...
>>108675914I'm supposed to feel threatened by this?
>>108675846>that's not what i saidIt's LITERALLY A QUOTE
>>108675914If it's not in the dataset it will never do it well
>>108675914It just can't do it, but I can.
>>108675914not one model has done this correctly
>>108675250generative ai is pretty cool but the problem is its just rolling the dice on the model dialing in the hyperparameter address to find what you're looking for. in that sense its trash, because you aren't composing anything, you are just pulling a lever on a slot machine. but what i've found works really well is simply roughing in what you want in a sketch/3d model, and then having the ai use that as a skeleton to draw over, similar to the loomis method of figure drawing, where you first rough in the 3d primitives, and then refine them. when doing that, its pretty cool. i hope tools grow to facilitate that more in the future.
>>108675637define noveltyfaggot
>>108675914I rest my case.
>>108676033a diffusion model doesn't speak english. it can't use logic or reason. if you give it a rough in, it will be able to render what you want much easier
>>108676041Hey faggot, did you not read this thread, a teapot wearing headphones, no model can do it because no image of it exist in its dataset. I had to create it myself because it's a novel image.Now do us a favor and kill yourself.
>>108675340Yes and acrylics were seen as cheating at their inception. Yet, I don't quite remember reading about mass layoffs due to the camera or photoshop being invented. Previous changes created more talent and jobs, but the wealthyfags are using AI as a scapegoat to cull their workforces. We will see if this eventually bites them in the ass.It is funny the "entire art community" is worried when most of them are not the artists being replaced. Only corpo designers and pornographers should be shaking. Everyone else is losing sales because, surprise, luxury purchases in a downward facing economy are the first to go.>t. Writes generative code and prints with pen plotterI don't even try to sell man I just do my thang.
>>108676047>your using it wrong, you actually have to do most of the work for it to generate correctlykill yourself
>>108676055yes, you are a schizo spammer who can't promptdefine novelty
>>108676061>"artist" is upset the magic robot won't do all the work for him perfectlywhat an artist the world loses
>>108675250They don't feel like special snowflakes anymore when a computer can produce better art than them in a few seconds.
>>108676042>the headband loops over the teapot's glass handlei'd be confused by this bit as well
>>108675250>>108675340>Why would I? I have actual creativity and can come up with actually interesting concepts and execute them.pyw
>>108676056>Yet, I don't quite remember reading about mass layoffs due to the camera or photoshop being invented.That's because you weren't born or too young at the time unless you're some super old boomer but yes there a lot of autistic screeching, I remember it when 3d was becoming mainstream. "it's cheating", "it's not real art", "the computer made it", same story different flavor.
>>108676064wow, instead of dragging his wooden leg to complain, this guy actually nailed it. i guess he is a better artist than the other anon after all
>>108676064That is not one teapot made of glass floating in a cornel lightbox. You have to follow the spec given to you retard.
>>108676064Why do the teapots have legs? >>108676079He didn't nail shit
>>108676083>novelty is ONLY my autistic litmus test that AI can't get EXACTLY PERFECTautistic isn't artistic
>>108676087>I couldn't generate the image using genAI so I will call you autistic
>>108676085he nailed your faggot ass to a cross. cope rabbi
>>108676078>I remember it when 3d was becoming mainstream. "it's cheating", "it's not real art", "the computer made it", same story different flavor.I lived through most of it, and I don't remember that. at least the conversation wasn't about "cheating" or "real art", just a matter of preference and the new thing pushing out the "superior", older thing, maybethe closest I can remember is traditional 2d animation vs 3d animation. which, honestly, is a valid concernif you enjoy the look of traditional hand drawn animation, 3d dominating the market and making trad 2d economically unfeasible isn't good
>>108676091yes, spergdefine novelty
>>108676092>client asks for something very specific>give something completely different than what the client wantsWow, yea you totally got me!
>>108676121Again why does it have legs. You're supposed to create the image that was asked for an not freestyle some hallucinated legs.The client wants a float transparent teapot with some tea in cornel light box wearing headphones. No legs!>define noveltySince you are too retarded to use a dictionary let me do it for you.novelty/nŏv′əl-tē/nounThe quality of being novel; newness.Something new and unusual; an innovation.A small mass-produced article, such as a toy or trinket.
>>108676078Holy fuck reading comprehension when? I never said there wasn't screeching, I'm saying the screeching has some validity in this current moment. It's the entire crowd yelling as sectors within it actually lose work. Photoshop and the camera actually created more skills to learn and provide as a service, this is not true with AI tools.
>>108676133I had to do a lot of complicated prompt engineering, but I think I got it
>>108676147No you're wrong it's the same thing. People screeeching about AI now are as dumb as the luddites who screeched at photoshop, cameras and 3D/CG, if the think otherwise you are retareded
>>108676165>the luddites who screeched at photoshop, cameras and 3D/CG, if the think otherwise you are retarededfor instance? can you find me some old forum posts? usenet? anything that shows a trend and not a few isolated autists?
>>108676133novel teapots have legs. the "client" can use inpainting and AI tools to remove them (which are accessable to everyone and equitable) if they're such a spergart is about inspiring and coming up with new worlds and ideas that no one has imagined yet. novel teapots have legs
>>108676064holy shit you are like actually 90iq. and most anons in this thread are.>>108676083i think he's not capable of recognising what you're talking about. but know that you are not alone among these retards.
>>108676152Not a cornel lightbox and why is there a glass cup with a spoon? Also my bad but the teapot has to be a specific teapot, the Utah Teapot.The cornell light box and the teapot are actually reference to CG/3D art and not chosen randomly, they have meaning
>>108676176>>108676182>le slop teapot isn't perfectHOW are you so autistic
>>108676173>forum post from 1816 screeching at the invention of the cameraInvention of the camera;Yes, there was significant initial pushback and skepticism from many artists and art critics when photography was invented in the 1820s-1830s. Fear of Obsolescence: Many artists, especially portrait painters, feared photography would supersede traditional painting, making their skills obsolete. The artist Henrietta Clopath expressed this concern in 1901, stating some believed "the painter will have nothing more to do" once color photography became common.Dismissal as "Mechanism": Critics derided photography as a mere thoughtless mechanical process, lacking the "refined feeling and sentiment" and "invention and feeling" that defined true art. An 1855 writer argued it could never rank higher than engraving because it lacked "something beyond mere mechanism at the bottom of it."Mixed Reactions Among Artists: Reactions were varied:Some portrait painters abandoned their craft to become photographers.Others, like the renowned painter Ingres, publicly denied photography's artistic merit but secretly used it as a reference tool for poses and details.Many established artists, like J.M.W. Turner, were initially unimpressed and continued their traditional work.Catalyst for Modern Art: Ironically, by taking over the role of realistic representation, photography freed painters to explore new directions. This contributed to the rise of movements like Impressionism, where artists focused on subjective experience, light, and color—things cameras could not replicate—ultimately helping to catalyze modern art.
>>108676173>retard wants forum posts from 1987Photoshop resistance;Initial Concerns and CriticismAuthenticity and Ethics: Many photographers and artists expressed concern that Photoshop would undermine the authenticity of photography, especially in journalism and news reporting. There were fears that manipulated images could deceive the public and erode trust."Digital Darkroom" Debate: While traditional darkroom techniques like dodging and burning were accepted, some purists argued that digital manipulation went too far, calling it "cheating" or "lazy" compared to analog methods. Skill Devaluation: Similar to current debates about AI art, some artists worried that Photoshop would lower the barrier to entry and devalue traditional artistic skills, allowing less-skilled individuals to produce polished work quickly. Industry ResistanceEditorial and Print Industries: Some editors and art directors initially resisted digital workflows. For example, in the early 1990s, comics and print media were slow to adopt digital coloring, preferring traditional dyes and hand separation. Professional Skepticism: Longtime professionals in fields like photo retouching and commercial illustration were hesitant, viewing digital tools as a threat to established practices and craftsmanship.
>>108676194they used canned music though???
>>108676197>>forum post from 1816 screeching at the invention of the camerano shit>>108676165>the luddites who screeched at photoshop, ~cameras~ and 3D/CG, if the think otherwise you are retarededthe original post talked about much more recent stuff, you insufferable autist>Yes, there was significant initial pushback and skepticism from many artists and art critics when photography was invented in the 1820s-1830s. thanks for the chatgpt copy paste, though. very useful
>>108676191How retarded are you, if you work in a creative industry and the client has a clear vision of what they want what makes you think they want you to freestyle in a bunch of hallucinations that they never asked for or wanted. Imagine I ask you to make me a calculator app for my business but you vibe code in a fart sound every time you press the plus button and an orgasm sound every time you press the equal button. Would you ask the client how autistic they are for saying that's not what they asked for?
>>108676205oh, you're just going to keep doing this loljust admit that you are lazy and you're using "well, everyone complained about the car replacing the horse!" as a shortcut to avoid thinking about new things and shit on people who care about things more than you
>>108676218>the original post talked about much more recent stuff, you insufferable autist>Moving the goal posts I see while autisticly screeching
>>108676225>just admit that you are lazyI should admit I'm lazy for actually making the art myself instead of using genAI? Really?
>>108676231people were posting on usenet groups in the late 80s, early 90s. it's not the broadest representation, it's mostly tech people and university students, but you can find late 80s discussions about the fucking nes and super mario bros.certainly people, especially tech minded people, would be complaining about photoshop, digital art, 3d/cg, etc.
>>108675250Their art is probably used for negative reinforcement when training.
>>108676224here is your le 3D graphics reddit atheism teapot, saarthat will be thousand lakh rupee
>>108676249I'm sorry I'm not an old ass boomer like you who used usenet in the 80s.
>>108676061Did you just refuse to learn to use a new tool? What are you, some luddite oil painter screeching at photographers?
>>108676278This is the best one so far. Just remove the steam and make the lighting less blue, fix the spout problem because it's just wrong and it's good enough to give to a client. However in it's current state it's still not good enough.
>>108676085The legs are the novelty created by ai.
>>108676295faggot
>>108676287No I actually like GenAI and I tried doing it with an image generator first but it couldn't so I had to do it myself. I can do art myself but I can also use comfyui with controlnets and all that jazz. I am literally in the center when it comes to the genAI debate. I like making fun of both sides.Pic related my teapot with a controlnet and extra stylized
