It's also only getting faster/cheaper/better
>>108680749Mass tech layoffs are coming this year.Buckle up.
>>108680759Two more weeks.
>it’s also getting cheaper
Is it? As far as i can see it's getting worse and more expensive
>>108680749>lust-provoking image>lust-provoking questionThe Holy Grail
>>108680749You still need to be a dev to wrangle it properly. Will that be the case in the future? Who knows. But to do complex technical projects with these things still requires actual technical skill and knowledge. I think that's why a lot of adoption is failing. Most people are not technical and thus aren't good at working with LLMs.
Multiple dev teams at my prev company were laid off and roles moved abroad with the idea that you can now have x more cheap "devs" prompting & reviewing for less cost, with higher output. Lets see how that goes for them.
>>108681106Younger agent-focused devs seem a lot more productive than boomer devs who refuse to use AI. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, basically.
>>108680761meta literally just fired 8000 people today
>>108680749debugging and verifications.move too quickly onto AI and your project will have many security holes.
>>108680749Two more time units.
>>108681121I think that's where the issue lies, the disconnect between team managers and the monkeys doing the work. More typing = mode code = more work, intuitively simple
>>108681132one ai agent codes one ai agent tests one ai agent debugs, etc., see >>108681121
>>108681153and then ten humans verify the code in the end or your company will eventually leak its database because hackers use ai help to find the holes.it *could* work but "debugging and verifications" is needed because you can't trust AI with important things yet
CC got exposed as trash, codex mogs it hard>>108681132odd post given that LLMs debug better than they code
>>108680781>vibecoder thinks its employableI'll have extra cheese, no gherkin.
>>108681291You are not required anymore. You will be replaced and you will die of hunger on some random street.
>>108681121>ADHD zoomers with fried dopamine receptors assembling AI slop at the speed of light What could go wrong
I guess some companies will get hit more than the others.. That is always the case. I am job hopping as we speak, wish me luck guys.
>>108681221>odd post given that LLMs debug better than they codeyou'd have to be insane to just entrust your company's future into the hands of a machine that may or may not leave vulnerabilities. ai is good but we're not at "trust without verify" yet.
>>108680749Funny that this post shows itself today, Claude was shitting the bed for me all day at work. It's been so bad it briefly reminded me of good old Copilot's GPT 4.1
>>108681131and how many jobs did they offshore and how many visas did they apply for at the same time
>>108680749Only really useful for webshitting / if you are brown.
>>108681485Why would you care about vulnerabilities when you just uploaded all your corporate data to a company known for stealing as much data as possible to train their models and let other companies copy yours?
>>108681291vibeGODs are agile enough to adapt to the collapse, snailcat
>>108681593because if you have a database with customer information it can be very bad if that leaks
>>108680749if claude code is so good, a company would be hiring more devs, because then you can move even faster if you only pay for 20 devs who can do the work of 200 using claudethe layoffs happening right now aren't due to ai (or at least not in the "ai replacement' way). they're due to1. high(er) interest rates because of inflation completely fucking up venture capital2. massive over hiring over the previous decade but especially during covid3. shuffling money around because retard companies want to shuffle money around to take advantage of the ai train3 isn't really laying off people because ai is replacing them. it's laying off entire divisions so they can us the money they used to set aside for paying those people and instead invest it into AI or buy cloud compute for their own AI or whatever
>>108681221any sort of gap in the environment and LLMs shit themselves trying to debug basic issuesgood luck doing anything that relies on shitty third party stuff or connections to somewhere without monitoring
>>108681885dont forget hiring unlimited foreign brown slaves
>>108680749Not everything. They had to steal Mistral style to make it look nice. Anthropic's products look the most ugly so far.
>>108680749>legacy code>poor documentation>senior management being indecisive on medium to long term objects>short term objective always chasing current sales requirementHuman orgs are a shit show once they get to around 50 people and you still need humans to navigate it.It's also near impossible to re-structure/re-build existing companies, at best you'll loose loads of money at worst you'll kill the company.Basically AI is great for greenfield projects and new companies structured around it from day one but for legacy code and existing orgs of a certain size it's going to take years to transition.
>>108681566zero.
>>108680749they're doing it 5-10% per quarter because they still need employees to train the models
>>108681885No, they won't start hiring people even if LLMs become significantly better than they are today. The fundamental problem is that in the tech industry, there is simply nothing left to do. There are no new products on the horizon.While LLMs are impressive, what exactly are you going to build with them that is truly "new"? Companies have run out of good ideas for innovation. At this point, creating original products on the internet is almost impossible:Crypto is dead.AR/VR is dead as well.Literally nothing new is happening.AI is currently the only growth driver for the entire tech sector. If you aren't working in ML/AI, you are essentially just keeping a product in maintenance mode. That’s the reality: the whole industry has shifted toward preservation rather than creation.I believe we will increasingly see cases where entire companies lay off the vast majority of their staff, leaving only a couple of dozen employees behind for basic support. We’ve already seen this happen with Twitter.Tech is dead, it's over.
>>108680764qrd me anon, i don’t have an anthropic account, is it worth it or is it slop?
>>108682077you'd have to be a complete retard to believe this sincerely. first of all "truly new" is irrelevant, this industry is perfectly fine with stealing some established idea, tweaking one little thing, and then acting like the "new" product is the second coming of christ. you can say that's lame or boring or whatever, but thinking tech companies are out of things to make is just wrong. if anything, the problem right now is that AI is sucking all of the attention from anything else because it so easily slots into everything. retards can get VC money now by just slapping an AI chat interface into their product, it's too easy to NOT take advantage of so there isn't a need to really innovate furtherall that aside, thinking that we've reached peak tech and no other innovation will ever happen once the AI bubble pops is just childish thinking. there were people like you saying the same thing in 2001 after the dotcom bubble, so they got out of tech and missed out on the money trains that came up a few years later because they assumed that since they personally couldn't think of what the next big thing would be, obviously there would be no next big thing and tech was just gonna be done.
>>108680749It can also NOT do anything, and you won’t find out until you spend the tokens to tell it to double check and sometimes not even then.
>>108681885If developers are so good today, why arent companies hiring N+1 developers? Because there is diminishing returns to more features. So yes, more features is good, but at a certain point, you reach a limit. If each developer is 10x as productive, but you only need 2x as many features, then the optimal strat is keeping 20% of your devs.
>>108681148More code creates more work. Lines of code is objectively one of the worst metrics for productivity. More precisely, you should want more features implemented, with less code. If you have more code, you just have more to maintain later on. And analyzing that code with an LLM will have more room for error the more lines of code you have.
>>108680749It's kind of hard to use. It may seem easy to use, it's not, the interface is strange. It's not like how software usually works.
>>108682013>it's going to take years to transitionDon't worry, their staff are used to that.
>>108682214That poster was right desu. The last innovation in tech was the smartphone two decades ago. Everything since then has just been improvements in hardware that doesn't even do anything because software going backwards all the time nullifies it. Crypto isn't even tech it's a ponzi scheme.
>>108680749it cant do shit on its ownthey are running it a huge loss, but they are already starting to charge per token - so it will cost more than qualified people
Business analyst Chads stay winning
>>108682214All industries eventually converge into a few mature products anon. The car industry and the computer hardware industry both had the same ammount of rapid innovation that the software industry had at its peak but they still ended up converging into the same few types of car and same few types of hardware and it's all been slow iterating from there.It might take a bit longer for software to reach the same point due to how cheap and low risk making software is compared to shit you have to manufacture to sell, but it will still get there. Software has already slowed down a ton on "tech" subsectors like social media where we used to get a new company making a platform that quickly gets huge every couple years whereas now there's been practically no new major platforms after tiktok and some major platforms like facebook and snapchat are slowly dying off. By the way, the software part of the dotcom bubble gets talked often because of how big the software industry is now and because of how silly it got, but the real bubble that popped was the internet infrastructure bubble that saw titans like Cisco and Intel lose most of their market cap that they still haven't recovered to this day (adjusting for inflation). The telecom and internet hardware businesses have never reached even close to those golden years ever again.
>>108683429That's only true if maintainance isn't automated at the same pace that Like, computer chips used to be a few thousand trabsistors at most back when their placement and routing were designed by hand while now there's teans of billions of them even on consumer GPUs and things like that. The ammount of engineers needed per chip has certainly gone up, but not even close to the same ratio that the number of transistors has increased by because of how much automation has progressed.
>>108684557Software is different in that the profit margins on providing services are astronomical, meaning there's always going be an idiot somewhere thinking he'll get rich with his new version of the wheel. Just look at the endless slew of hero shooters coming out lmao.
>>108684603>Just look at the endless slew of hero shooters coming out lmao.But where's the innovation in that? They are all just copy pastes of tf2, overwatch and moba mechanics. The hero shooter sector of gaming has matured.
>>108681131I don’t know what those people did, but I guess Mark didn’t know either.
>>1086807494.7 is literally worse and more expensive what are you talking about you retard
>>108681131Afaik the majority of this layoff has been just adding another nail to the coffin of realitylabs which is by all measures one of the biggest failures of a business unit out of any tech company in history excluding the ones that didn't release any products.Though it still implies that meta is giving up on the meta stuff and just focusing on their existing business while yoloing a bunch of money into AI in case it could be a threat. Out of the mag7 that are going into AI, Meta really is the with the least going on at the moment. Amazon and msft have all their servers and shit, plus a bunch of hardware projects that may or may not work while tesla does whatever musk feels like that morning and google has waymo and their phones.All meta has going on at the moment aside from the add business and ai shit is the rayban glasses afaik. The company is going to be forced into just maintaining their current business forever if AI also doesn't pan out for them. They have spent like 300 billion so far on VR and AI combined. They could have bought huge companies to expand their business into areas that would be already netting profits with that kind of money.
>>108682077>While LLMs are impressive, what exactly are you going to build with them that is truly "new"?Do you think the majority of software and code written is new as in „innovative“?
>>108680759Inevitable. People wonder why there are so many programmers and so little output, most of it is because most programmers are worthless. The other half is boomers. Ironically none of these gay AI tools help either. No free lunch, no point wasting time pretending you can outhire your problem.
>>108681885The other one is the tax code changes making it neigh impossible to fully write-off software dev salaries. The big beautiful bill didn't fix it either before some retard mentions it. It actually makes it more convoluted, especially if you're a "global company."
>>108682077There is a shitload of things that need to be done, but none of them are easy. Absolutely retarded post. Your post is only marginally correct from the lens of profitability and risk management, but that's a failing in ((capitalism)) and nothing to do in the real world.
>>108680749Lol. 4.7 is a bad joke. 4.6 even. Lmao.
Our project has about 1.5m lines of code, 2m lines of documentation and about 60m lines of json test data.AI really writes very bloated code, that already reduces any potential productivity gains. It's also not easy to get it to do what you want, and people are still learning how to use it so existing AI code bases are bad.At the moment I basically code in .md files, but without all the checks a compiler would give me.
>>108681369put on a trip
>>108684684only listen to this poster
>>108680749The biggest bottleneck for these tools are context windows. You can't have it work efficiently in a large codebase because it doesn't have the capacity to ingest the entire codebase, you have to understand the codebase and what you want to have happen to be able to get it to do anything. It still hallucinates so you need someone that knows what they're doing to catch the hallucinations, and at the end of the day due to all of this they're decent tools to speed up writing code, but writing a first pass of code has never really been the bottleneck in software development. The efficiency gains are there but are vastly, vastly overstated. Is it impressive that these models can help do very complicated small tasks? Yes. Does that benefit the vast majority of companies, no, because the vast, vast majority of companies are not solving complicated small problems, they're solving complicated and distributed large problems.
>>108680781More proof that Bosnia should be nuked.
>>108681485>>108681192Saved these images.>>108681221>turd 1 got exposed as trash, turd 2 mogs it hardBoth are still turds.
>>108680749>this thing can literally do anything?lolYou sound very unemployed and also very unemployable.
In the marxist sense you cant lay off everyone because then theres no people left to buy the capitalist systems productsyou want to maintain the Proletariat class is a state where them working full time just enough pays their cost of living they do things like move medium level employees to lower end roles with worse benefits, reduce immigrants, kick off foreigners who arent necessary from the country, lower wages across the board, lower worker protections, encourage population reduction, kill the underclass over time, reduce the minimum standard of living so people no longer have cars or large apartments.
>>108686708you're using it wrong as fuck dude, at least at bytedance we use ai to write extremely modular code.
>>108687437Maybe. Most design decisions weren't mine, but I must also admit that some things work very well. For instance porting from one language to another is almost trivial with all the test data we have.The Code isn't that modular, and our main product is now a monorepo, just so AI can search more easily.
>>108681057How does one get such technical knowledge when the AI is doing all the work that leads to such knowledge?
>>108680749It can't.
>>108680749it can't, and also it's going to keep getting more expensive
>>108687437Modular slop is still slop though. This was true even before AI.
>>1086807495-10%? What are you talking about? 50% of devs have been laid off this year alone. Your neck is on the line if you haven't experienced this. Face it. AI is the future.
>>108680749way to out yourself as nodev retard jeet
>>108687093Quit whining about how AI stole your job and do something about it. Learn the tools of the future if you want to stay relevant. Simple as.
>>108689398>50% of devs have been laid off this year alone.[citation needed]
>>108689420I still have a job. I don't know what you're talking about.Tools of what future? The future of being retarded and reliant? You would get no argument from me there.
>>108680761more likefive minutes
>>108680781Arrest, can't wait the ai bubble to be popped >>108681369You country will be nuked without notice.>>108681713Goyims have more bains than peasants like you
>>108680749>fasternope>cheaper nope>better debatable
>>108680749can it port minecraft 1.12.2 forge mods to 1.21.1 neoforge? no? too specific of a usecase to be in any training set? then fuck off and eat a dick ai shill
>>108690464um actually it can
>>108690464Did you try?
>>108689498Two more weeks ludder. We Aigods keep winning
>>108690607>p-please buy my bags
>>108690607More likefive minutes, libtardo , AIchuds keeps losing because the ai bubble will pop anytime.
>>108690668>>108690645Proof? If you don’t show proof you’re a snailcat trans Luddite
>>108690822the proof is in the pudding
>>108690835You are trans
>>108690822>>108690845>no uthe libtard is losing his way, go scrawl to your own discord.
>>108690607>>108690645>>108690668>>108690822>>108690835>>108690845>>108690856Reminder that this retard you're getting into a slapfight with is a B&PF mudblood AI shill who comes from Bosnia, an Ottoman rapebaby backwater slum. Ignore him.
>>108690876Mindbroken
>>108690876see: >>108689992
