Bazzite.
Fedora is missing a bunch of shit by default. Yeah you could install it manually yourself but you will have no idea.
Things like codecs etc.

>>108685212
how about CachyOS?

debian + flatpak

>>108685194
Install gentoo
>>108685212
>you better not install anything manually on your system goy

>>108685222
Isn’t Debian outdated?

>>108685225
I was in the same position as OP. I installed Fedora KDE and YouTube was lagging like fuck. I couldn't fix it, even with ChatGPT's help.
Turns out all the codecs and shit aren't included, but I had already switched to Bazzite anyway.

>>108685233
they've gotten better in recent years

>>108685243
What does that even mean? Is it outdated or not?

>>108685222
gross

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For the billionth time: partition your drive for easy distrohopping.
>EFI system partition
>20-50GB partition for distro A
>20-50GB partition for distro B
>rest of the drive for (encrypted) /mnt/anime where you host $HOME and bind mount /usr/src, /usr/local, /opt and /var/lib/bluetooth

>>108685194
I'm on cachy for 2 years now, arch beforehand, fedora before that. Cachy is my obvious recommendation right now for anyone who isn't retarded.
Sadly I am debating swapping to artix linux + some cachy kernel/ features because systemd is ran by niggers, but otherwise Arch ecosystem is IMO the best balance between "project car" and "daily driver" for someone with an interest in tuning and customizing.

>>108685276
I mean it's outdated by nature the older a release gets
that's what stable means, no?
even with all its problems I'd rather use Ubuntu LTS on a desktop than Debian Stable just so I don't have to bother backporting the important shit myself

>>108685194
>im new to linux
>>108685311
>BIND MOUNT YOUR DIRS
lol

>>108685320
but whatabout wayland which is also ran by redhat niggers?

>>108685322
You can obviously symlink them instead case that gets you going. But doing so could break your system at some point, it did break Arch.

>>108685311
Imagine not using LVM, or better yet btrfs where 'partitions' are just sub volumes from a common pool.
>>108685194
Use Ubuntu, and ignore the snobs. You'll have the easiest time.

>>108685194
>>108685221
cachyos for better gayming performance
bazzite is good for beginners tho

dont use stock fedora

>>108685330
you have to pick your battles. I'm not swapping to freeBSD. Wayland is also an interesting piece of technology, and I could choose to use x11 - I cannot choose to drop systemd on arch or really 98% of modern distros.

>>108685339
Why Bazzite over Nobara. Isn't Bazzite atomic thus probably not a great idea for someone's first distro where they might want to install random packages or make modifications

>>108685337
>rootfs inside a LVM (or any sort of shenanigans like RAID or encryption)
Requires initramfs magic -> prone to breakage.
Btrfs is fine but again: requires doing shit stuff. I'm personally fine sacrificing a handful of usable gigabytes.

>>108685212
>cuckos for cucks
I sure hope you didn't want to install anything extra
>bbbut BREW

Speaking from my friend's experience with Cachy, his audio jack input would not work when headphones were plugged in, resulting in HDMI input to not output audio either. Cachy has a nice GUI package installer and manager, though. Unless you need something from the AUR.
Speaking from my experience with Fedora, all the codec stuff was annoying to deal with but its usable. It is/was in the top 5 distros used for gaming, if you're gonna use it for that. But you should use KDE Plasma instead of Workstation (GNOME) simply because the later is a bastardization of macOS UI/UX.
Both are in the territory of "unstable" as opposed to "stable" distros like Ubuntu or Debian but you get the newest Linux software and kernel upgrades sooner, at the cost of something potentially breaking. I would say to try Linux Mint or Kubuntu if either of your choices don't work out great.

Usecase? And how much free time do you have?

>>108685194
Arch. CachyOS will get you up and running quickly, but you will have no idea how your system is put together, which makes maintenance and troubleshooting more difficult. Fedora is nice but ultimately it is a cuck OS that primarily serves Red Hat corporate interests.

>>108685340
Sounds good, good luck with artix, i am doing artix this summer too.

>>108685366
I have an old ThinkPad T14 Gen 2 with an Intel processor, and I want to use it primarily for programming and reverse engineering.

>>108685194
Both require some tinkering. Fedora has some additional setup steps, like installing codecs and nvidia drivers, but once you copy paste some commands you are good to go with a pretty foolproof and easy to handle system.

CachyOS comes with a lot of options during install that might be confusing for a new user, and after that it's mostly the standard Arch workflow. Which means you pretty much need to use the terminal for a lot of stuff.

Bazzite is easy as fuck to get running, but uses a very different system compared to most other distros. So learning how to use Linux will be much harder on it, and you can't as easily google your way to answers.

>>108685370
I've been thinking of doing that, but can you (fairly easily) add all the custom kernel hacks and so forth from cachy to a base arch install? Or is their stuff mostly just placebo not worth caring about.

>>108685479
It's not a placebo, but I'd rather have an OS I know how to fix than the absolute fastest OS. Arch is more simple.

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>>108685469
How about performance? I’m going to run this on a laptop, and the tras Windows 11 is consuming 6GB of RAM even when it’s idle.

>>108685212
rpmfusion exists

>>108685194
Cachy is the better of the two, but you should weigh it against Zorin as a stable option.
For brand new people either of them are really good. Zorin is extra stable, Cachy is leeding edge but will eventually require tinkering.

>>108685233
Debian is never outdated. It just has a 2-year release cycle. If you prefer stability, it's fine and still does what you need. If there's a small handful of specific things you need up-to-date that aren't on Flatpak, you can always learn to compile from source or better yet find a repo.

>>108685520
Performance doesn't really change much based on the distro. It's mainly the desktop environment. Both KDE and Gnome use about the same, 1-2 gb.

Fedora and CachyOS has more lightweight options however like Xfce, if you can stomach the deprecated UI. There CachyOS is easier since they include all in the same installer. But honestly, just go with KDE Plasma, it's fast enough and is by far the most complete desktop experience. Especially if you are coming from Windows.

>>108685194
I prefer Nobara.

>>108685602
first time hearing about it

>>108685194
Debian

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>>108685786
Debian is trash buddy

>>108685212
Yeah because first time users love tinkering with permissions

>>108685714
It's Fedora with all the "I want to game on Linux problems fixed." I chose it over Bazzite because bazzite is not customizable enough.

>>108685194
whichever you choose just make sure you can run it on something other than gnome. kde is nice and the tiling newfangled stuff is fun.

>>108685885
I prefer GNOME.

>>108685194
honestly both are fine for 99% of uses. cachyos is very polished BUT its only been around 2 years and is in the same niche as all the flavor-of-the-month arch spin offs like endeavour,manjaro,garuda... so while it's good now who knows where it's gonna be in 2 years

fedora is a corporate distro and has been around 22 years, has better support if you're developing shit like every big corporate thing that has a linux version has a debian/fedora/ubuntu/suse version but often no arch versions.


personally i have fedora-KDE on my main gaming desktop and arch on my laptop

>>108685311
if he's new hes not gonna be partitioning anything he's gonna be installing anything on a whole drive

BUT if you're gonna hop you should have a separate EFI for each distro. make the distros totally independant and chain-boot as needed. on my arch laptop i have 2 partitions for arch (boot and root) and 2 partitions for nixos. in arch's bootloader i have an entry that jumps over to nixos's bootloader so i can choose nixos on the boot menu with each distro haveing it's own /boot partition.

>>108685311
are u dumb ? he said he is new to linux

>>108685930
>you should have a separate EFI for each distro
Are Linux installers somehow buggy or what? I'm seeing no reason at all. But I'm neckbearding to the max and booting any system I got with
>\\linux.efi
with appropriate boot arguments and have the distros no say in the kernel business.

>>108686310
different distros have their quirks like fedora wants a separate /boot and /boot/efi and wont install on just 2 partitions. when you're distrohopping you dont know the exact structure of the /boot of whatever distro/bootloader you're using its best to leave that shit separate.

and in general i think full separation is easier and cleaner to handle if you're hopping off any distro you just wipe those partitions.

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>>108686440
>like fedora wants a separate /boot and /boot/efi
IMO that makes sense, EFI system partition and the old /boot serve a different purpose. Even though they are commonly lumped together.
>when you're distrohopping you dont know the exact structure of the /boot of whatever distro/bootloader you're using
When using EFI boot scheme you got \\EFI\<vendor> directories so there shouldn't be a mixup between \\EFI\debian and \\EFI\fedora for example.

>>108685212
I don't get it.
I used fedora KDE and Claude told me everything I needed to install to get it running if I had some issue like nvidia drivers.

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>>108685194
Given that you're new to Linux and trying to choose between CachyOS and Fedora. I'd definately lean towards Fedora when comparing those two specifically. Especially if we are talking about your primary machine. CachyOS uses Arch packages 'as-is' with zero quality control. It's easy to break things if you're using Arch/CachyOS, and even well experienced users often end up eventually breaking their install. I just cannot advise new users to take up an OS where checking every package they install and update is an expectation.
Fedora, by contrast, ships stable releases while also keeping things up-to-date.
But given that you are a new user, and are considering both Fedora and CachyOS, my recommendation is actually to use Ultramarine. It's based on Fedora, it ships with Terra, and is made to be generally faster and easier to get set-up and running. Also, Ultramarine makes it easy to switch the kernel for the CachyOS modified version with a single command. I'd say Ultramarine would be your best bet.

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>>108685243

>>108685194
If you really are new, then neither. Go with Ubuntu. Many nerds don't like it, but Ubuntu is what peak normie Linux can be. It's the best all-rounder.
Use it, learn it, see what you like and what you don't and then, only when you really feel like you don't like it anymore, choose another distro. But you have to start with Ubuntu.

>>108686781
Have you seen the "team" behind Ultramarine? It's not only fucking tiny but is made by tranny anime degenerates. For some reason I don't trust that shit near me even with a hazmat.

I swiched from CentOS to rocky the day CentOS was donezo

>>108685866
Nobara is a one person operation though isn't it? Is that a security concern or at the very least an issue with updates?

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>>108686781
who the fuck even uses Ultramarine lol. Just let the guy install a real distro instead of sending him to a project maintained by three guys and a Discord server.

>>108686781
>I just cannot advise new users to take up an OS where checking every package they install and update is an expectation.
nigga wut? You think I'm checking 2500 packages?

==> Yay version v12.5.7
===========================================
==> Total installed packages: 2566
==> Foreign installed packages: 51
==> Explicitly installed packages: 687
==> Total Size occupied by packages: 33.0 GiB
==> Size of pacman cache /var/cache/pacman/pkg/: 2.5 GiB
==> Size of yay cache /home/this/.cache/yay: 1.1 GiB
===========================================
==> Ten biggest packages:
xonotic-data: 1.1 GiB
ttf-noto-nerd: 1.0 GiB
ttf-iosevka-nerd: 1.0 GiB
ttf-iosevkaterm-nerd: 1.0 GiB
vaporizer2-common: 981.8 MiB
ruby-docs: 846.5 MiB
ttf-zed-mono-nerd: 699.6 MiB
ttf-iosevkatermslab-nerd: 581.5 MiB
julia: 575.7 MiB
ansible: 568.5 MiB
===========================================
 -> Flagged Out Of Date AUR Packages: gtk
 -> wezterm-nightly-bin: local (20260425-1) is newer than AUR (nightly-1)

>>108685345
>>108685602
The weird way which Nobara handles updates and it's tendency to ship system-breaking bugs make it hard to recommend.

>>108685194
if u are really new to linux, then i think u'll be ok with neither fedora nor cachyos. install mint bro

but if u still wanna have some fun, install arch
im sure that wil break, but u'll enjoy it if u can

>>108685222
Has flatpak given up on forcing age verification?

>>108685194
Fedora if you want everything but video codecs pre installed and you don't mind red hat. CachyOS if you just want an Arch distro that will give you a functional clean install to play with it and customize the way you want. Ironically enough you don't need to install codecs on cachyos unlike fedora.

>>108685194
install gentoo

>>108691326
no, it hasn't

>>108685194
devuan

Mint

Fedora or Ubuntu if you want the Microslop experience.
CachyOS if you're a normie gamer.
Bazzite if you're a homosexual gamer.
Mint if you're straight.
Debian if you want stability.
Artix if your a chud.
Devuan if you're an oldfag or chud and want stability.

You will probably settle on one of the last 3 if you're not a complete retard.

>>108685194
all these new flashy distros, cachyos, bazzite, popos, zorin are all snake oil. i've been on linux for a long time and it's always been this way, just trust me that spinoff distros should be avoided like the plague (with mint being the only exception i know of)
dont try to be trendy, just stick to base distros. fedora is a great choice

>>108685194
im new to writing what is punctuation

>>108685194
If you want some flavour of Arch then just use Arch. Don't use Fedora. Can't you tell that it's for fags just from the name?

>>108685194
Fedora
>>108685212
Just use an LLM, ask it what you need to install and then paste it into the terminal. Simple as

>>108693120
Don't paste LLM slop into the terminal. Slop-squatting is an attack vector.

>>108688432
Do you think you'll get cooties from a Linux distro? If gay weebs make software that works, why should that matter to me?

>>108693120
>Just use an LLM, ask it what you need to install and then paste it into the terminal. Simple as

>You're absolutely right! "rm -rf *" in this context does delete everything in your home folder, my mistake. Here's the corrected command:

>>108691233
I just went through about an hour of troubleshooting over an update. I don't mind it because it's just part the tax i pay to not use microsoft products. I just don't feel like it'd be any different with cachy.

>>108692181
Achtually Mint isn't a spinoff as it uses Ubuntu's repositories directly, it's more like an Ubuntu flavor. Same goes for Poopos.

>>108691301
A new user could easily figure out how to get Fedora up and running to there preferences. There's a lot information and guides online. CashyOS probably isn't a good suggestion for new users, but Fedora should be fine.

>>108692169
>Debian if you want stability.
oh yeah, lots of stability going on with the creature they elected to leadership

I never got the impression there's a security risk beyond fedora itself, but i could be completely wrong about that.
>>108689326
see
>>108693502

>>108693502
Just use Fedora, Bazzite, or any OS which actually works. Updates should just work. If they don't, something is wrong with the OS.

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>>108693120
>Just use an LLM, ask it what you need to install and then paste it into the terminal. Simple as
picrel

>>108685194
On Fedora you might need to do some additional configuration and installation of additional software to have what you probably consider a "full desktop experience".
If you don't feel like doing that, maybe go with CachyOS. It's more bleeding edge, which might mean a bug here and there, but I believe it has a more complete OOTB experience.
Just make sure you use KDE Plasma as the desktop.

>>108693552
Not saying Nobara is perfect, but the reason was totally self inflicted. I did it on my laptop and it went completely smooth.

>>108685194
Fedora is redhat, ergo corpo. Avoid corpos like the pest, so go with arch (or cachy whatever) and once you get comfortable you should consider dropping system-D and wayland, so Artix with xlibre should be good

>>108694476
Apart from your fee-fees, what actual advantage is there from dropping corpo software, systemd, and wayland? I just want my computer to work.

>>108694542
The reliability of shit not breaking randomly and corpos forcing choices on you. Wayland still lacks features and systemd will force any and whatever system they see fit (recently the whole age verification drama but this has happened multiple times before), this is even worse on a whole distro level

>>108694651
The featurea Wayland still lacks they refuse to implement with the excuse of security, but truth is the design won't let it be possible because it's meant to be bloated and obtuse so no one single person can make an implementation

>>108694651
Whose system broke because of wayland? Whose system broke because of systemd? Arch systems break all the time. There's never been a version of Fedora which outright wouldn't boot because it was shipped with a broken version of grub. If the software choises corpos make is to have the software actually work, then I really don't see the issue. Also, gesturing towards drama is still just deferring to the way people feel. Again, what I care about is my computer working.

>>108694660
Xorg is packed with legacy bloat.

>itt retards arguing with retards
Distro is not an operating system.

>>108694476
>avoid the best supported distros as a noob
>use the highest maintenance required distro from the beginning
What causes this mental illness among Linux users?

>>108694729
If you don't value your freedom then sure, but expect your system to randomly change at some point and have no say in it. Corpos are never your friend, specially on FOSS where they give you a free product

>>108694790
>learning is le bad
Stay on windows bro

>>108694782
yeah but not by design, there's this dude making a zig version specifically so that can be fixed, also xlibre has been cleaning a lot of that bloat

>>108685194
Ubuntu. just werks and has the most support and documentation online, specially for newbies

>>108692169
>Debian if you want stability.
kek this guy is GAAAAAAAAY

>>108694823
Freedom to do what? Freedom to die? Freedom to have computer be an unreliable mess? Learn the difference between positive and negative freedoms. I want the freedom of having a computer which is actually usable and functional. If I never wanted the software on my computer to change, I wouldn't update my software, and would likely still be on Windows XP, rather than moving on to try anything else. I never said corpos are my friend, but they are well resourced and have clear motives. IBM/Red Hat makes Fedora freely available to attract users to identify issues before they make their way into RHEL, which is a tradeoff I have no issue with. You know who else isn't my friend? You know who else I shouldn't trust? Random strangers on the internet. You don't actually care about the functionality of your system. You just want the struggle of using your computer to feel contrarian.

>>108694828
Your feel so insecure about the software you run you want people to choose exclsively between the broken functionality of what you maintain on your system and the broken functionality of microsolp's ad OS. I think people should have the freedom to install working software.

>>108694828
Who said something about not learning?
You think learning means starting at level 10 instead of level 1?
As I said, mental illness.

>>108685212
>immutable
okay but don't come to fglt after you realize you don't know how to use a computer

>>108685554
Stable (with debian) doesn't mean not-broken, just not-changing.

>just use my distro bro, fuck the other guys
You fags are retarded and should never work in tech support.
Use Ubuntu or Mint if you want a general use computer, Nobara/Bazzite if you want gaymer shit, and Arch or any variants like Endeavour or Cachy if you're not afraid of fucking around with your computer if something does happen.
Contrary to popular retardation, Arch doesn't break that often and 90% of the times it does is because of PEBKAC. The other 10% is on the devs but that happens way less frequently than you'd think and even then shit like cachy sets us snapshots for easy rollback just in case.
Fedora just needs extra configuration, it's not as ootb as most ubuntu based distros but if you're willing to spend a little bit of effort setting it up then it's good.
Debian is fine. It's "old" but unless you have current-gen tier specs it doesn't matter that much, and you can look up how to backport things like the mesa drivers and the kernel if you really need or want them anyway. Again, extra effort, but unless you're clinically retarded or have absolutely zero tech interest (which, considering you're in the technology board, is highly unlikely) then it should be no problem.
Ignore any schizos rambling about muh new technologies. There's nothing wrong with shit like X11 or non-systemd inits or anything else, but if you're using those or distros like Devuan/Artix for ideological reasons instead of our of personal interest or anything else then you're frankly clinically unwell and should consult a psychiatrist.

>>108685194
Windows 11

I need a linux distro and DE to use for my PC and laptop.

I’ll be:
Coding
Reversing/debugging
virtual machines
Live inside terminal except for GUI (browser and windows VM)

>>108685212
>Fedora is missing a bunch of shit by default
>Install Bazzite instead lmao
Oh fuck off.

>>108695712
Devuan with MATE

>>108685194
>New to linux
Ubuntu LiveUSB

>>108692181
anon... ubuntu is a spinoff of debian

>>108693506
>>108696605
wrong reply

>>108695722
>doesn't elaborate why
Great convincing argument. Sure have learned a lot.

>>108685233
Debian does a new release every like 2 years. What you will learn pretty quickly is that most of the time you aren't missing anything if you wait 2 years, especially if your computer is a few years old already

I use debian on my main computer, no issues. You get the security updates but not the other stuff, and that other stuff can be irritating af when you have to update something every time you start your computer

>>108685194
just go with fedora... fedora 44 releases tomorrow
i have been using linux since 2018, mostly either fedora or debian
i think cachy is just what normies who installed linux yesterday recommend each other

>>108685234
>I'm retarded
there, I shortened your post without losing any content

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>>108698100
its my main too, we got a long way and deb only got better. i wouldnt recommend it if you dont know some workarounds to get newer stuff you may need.

most updates are a pain, yes, some add bugs and only waste write cycles on your ssd, with minimal feature return. right now i only need yt-dlp to be new, so theres no need to pull 6gb of them every week. in fact, staying 2 years behind has been a feature for me, really enjoying xfce here.

>>108688395
>>108694839
>>108685337
>>108696509
Ubuntu has built-in snap bloat and ads baked into the terminal. Don't use Ubuntu. Don't recommend Ubuntu.

>>108698719
>snap autismo
I get it, man, I don't like snaps either. But if you're objective and not just fanboying, they don't really matter. In fact, snaps are already on par with flatpaks, and I don't read all the hate snaps get for flatpaks.
Ubuntu is a perfectly fine distro for both beginners and powerusers. So yeah, even if turbonerds don't like it, Ubuntu is a great distro recommendation.

>>108695988
Why not one of the popular distros like Fedora or Arch?

>>108698952
Freedom from gay shit like systemd

>>108698985
How does that affect my tmux/terminal workflow?

>>108699035
You won't have to upload your ID to use your computer

>>108699037
I trust my distro to remove that feature :)

>>108699062
Fedora and Arch will not remove those features. Artix is another decent option, same with Void, but you will have to choose a non-systemd distro if you want to be free. You could alternatively take your chances with any of the basic distros, but there isn't any benefit in doing that.

>>108685194
SUSE tumbleweed
and nothing else is close

>>108699080
Does that apply to Europe as well?

>>108699435
Yes

>>108699080
im optimistic, they will likely remove or make it easy to do so if legally compelled, realistically, theres no need to panic or distrohoop.

not to mention that all distros without systemd are now very niche or protestware, which means i will have to invest more time and sacrifice functionality, which, at this point, is non-negotiable for me.

>>108699861
>which means i will have to invest more time and sacrifice functionality
Unfortunately something being functional is no longer compatible with something being free.
You either get something that works with minimal trouble but is pozzed one way or another, or you get something that is completely free but takes too much effort to meet regular use cases in exchange.

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>>108685194
>picrel
there is only one true answer but beware, you might end up getting filtered

>>108700342
what's this literal snowflake distro?

Just installed Nobara instead of Fedora. I'm downloading the Stellar Blade demo to compare performance vs Windows.

>>108685194
modern distros don't provide real linux experience
if you want to really experience linux, try slackware

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>>108700398
I don’t care about the experience, lol. I just need something that works. I’m just escaping Windows 11 because it’s consuming my work laptop’s RAM like crazy. It’s at 6GB idle.

>>108685194
CachyOs is good. Works out of the box, but for optimal experience some tinkering is required. Fedora is good enough for Linus, the inventor of Linux Tech Tips, so it should be good enough for anyone.

>>108700655
>the inventor of Linux Tech Tips
kek

>>108693892
>not only being able to run terraform willy nilly against production, but also letting an unattended agent do that
claude should've decapitated this retard irl on top of destroying his database