>open Windows 11 settings >it has a fucking LOADING TIMER and takes 5 seconds to start up even using an NVME drive and a Ryzen 9 CPUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this shit is so bad now. what is it coded with Microsoft Basic?
>>108695476Anyone who willingly installs Hindus 11 is a fucking dumb cunt
>>108695476Is that on a fresh install when updates and drivers are still installing, or in a vm like your pic? Or is your laptop in power saving mode? Loads faster than that on my old laptop.
>a dozen of operating systems available>picks windows 11 just to complain about itI will never understand low IQ people of /g/
>>108695493it happens every time. its because its downloading adverts for the home page. microsoft are a disgrace
>>108695499>>a dozen of operating systems availablebut none of them actually work. you clearly dont value your time
>>108695528>you clearly dont value your timeneither does windows since it's taking 5 seconds to open settings
>>108695476Windows 8.1 was the last good Windows version. Even /g/'s favourite Windows 10 LTSC IoT is slow in comparison. I recorded this over 10 years ago, the relevant components are an FX6300 and OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (SATA).
>>108695478I'm not Indian so I have no problem using Windows 11.
>>108695476Loads almost instantly on my zen3 CPU
>>108695476>use firewall >block settings>instant loadLoading from a shitty sata ssd
>>108695476It's a react app.
>>108695476it's just a react app firing up a browser engine every time you click it
>>108695542it's because windows 8.1 was the last windows that was optimized for single core processors
>>108695689It's also the last Windows you could feasibly run off a HDD without wanting to kill yourself.
>>108695542They had to sell Windows 8 on tablets with 1 to 2GB of RAM. This OS had to be fast, if not faster than 7 (which it actually is).From what I've heard NVMes are a little bit shittier at loading times and AMD also causes issues, but yeah, I had the same experience there a decade ago. Now my computer is noisier and slower for some fucking reason, I dunno. 10 already turned computers into a sorry mess. LGBT version isn't really that great.I'm here with a 5900x, an SN850X. I open up Affinity V3 and this shit takes a whole 12 seconds to load. I open it on macOS on a measly base M4 Mini and it's loading in 1 second. 1 fucking second. Boot times are a third of what I get with windows now on my computer. This shit seems arbitrary at this point.
>>108695689If I were in charge, I would force Microsoft to backport maybe 2 or 3 features to 8.1, push AMD, Nvidia and Intel to fully support it again, and force "downgrade" every single windows computer to it that is connected to the fucking internet.
>>108695745I'm also a graphic design fag, Affinity 3 loads in 10 seconds on my 5700X / NVMe.I think in this specific case it's a combination of us Windows users getting cucked (macOS is the primary target platform) and macOS being better at caching, the program is probably already residing in free RAM before you even launch it.
>>108695689in terms of the kernel 8.1 was the last the CPU scheduler change from windows 7 is something you can easily feelunfortunately the UI is shit. yes you can mitigate it but I want every single metro and start screen code pulled out
>>108695745>Boot times are a third of what I get with windows now on my computer.For some reason I haven't taken a screenshot of the restart times on 8.1 but I remember it was 13 seconds. Pic related was on the same FX6300 machine running Windows 7 (it's just a custom skin).And this is restart time, so boot was a lot faster, and again this is before UEFI and fastboot and the Windows 10 fake boot.
>>108695545>not Indian>uses Satya Nadella's OSSure.
I made a thread months ago talking about how much better 8.1 was vs every modern windows and you guys said I was wrong. Turns out I was right.
>>108696081I've been saying the same for 10 years now.
>>108696201Same, and I get tired of saying it
>>108696081>>108696201I have been a proponent of 8.1 as well. I switched to GNU/Linux as my daily driver OS long ago, but keep Win 8.1 on a dedicated drive in two PCs for when I need to rebuild and push new releases of a Windows program I help maintain. Fast as lightning compared to 10 and 11. Has always felt a little faster than 7 too, but can't be 100% sure.
>>108695476>what is it coded with Microsoft Basic?Basic would be much faster. That is javascript. (I like javascript as a language, but it's absolutely no sense for an OS interface.)
>>108695528>he still thinks this is 2005 where Linux is a time sinkm8, unless you intentionally install a sperglord tism distro like gentoo or plain arch, everything just werks straight ootb and you don't have to do shit. Fresh install of Ubuntu, mint, Bazzite, Fedora, CachyOS or zorin and you can have a working desktop that outperforms Windows 11 installed and set up faster than you can install a fresh copy of Windows 11. And you don't have to waste time disabling a bunch of shit just to have a working desktop
>>108695476The linux community should be so humiliated for losing to windows.
>>108695542i like that nothing about the tasks i do on the computer has changed for over 10 years but it would need 32GB of RAM in practice with added weird lags, ui toolkit incest abomination rendering quirks and dropping frames if it was windows 11
>>108696898Funny isn't it, we could have done literally nothing but fix bugs and CVEs since 2013 and the world would still run just fine.
>>108695542people will look at this and think "wow so fast"an entire generation got gaslit into believing this is a fast, reactive computerwhat happened to things happening right on the next frame?why does it take for a simple app to open more than a second? why does it take more than a few (single digit) ms?when I double click on a spreadsheet file I expect it to be open right on the next frameno splash art, loading screens, temporary placeholders
Doesn't happen on my machine
>>108697015Unless you're booting from ROM or something that never happened. I've been using a PC since the DOS/Windows 3 days, even when the programs were small, the HDDs were even slower.
>>108697056it used to happen when you upgraded your pc everything actually became fasteranyways, do you think with today's computer we couldn't do it?
>>108697139Not with today's developers.
>>108697139Do you mean in theory or in practice? In theory yes, in practice no. Modern SSDs have higher read and write speeds than RAM had in the 90s and early 00s, even our slowest tier of storage is insanely fast these days. But everything is built on top of so many layers of abstraction and loads so many large libraries that you're never going to see software that lean ever again.
>>108696081If you gave me 8.1 but with Vista's theming, security updates for life, and proper compatibility with modern software and drivers, I'd happily use it until the day I die.But sadly it's not there so I'm on Linux instead.
>>108697373>>108697397I honestly believe AI made software will be our salvation from jeetwarejust give it 10-15 years
>>1086974198.1 had a Windows 7 with square corners visual style somewhere. That shit and some other darker theme that was basically Adobe suite like.
>>108696898This precisely is why I hate new technology so much. 90% of people would've been perfectly fine using software from 2013 provided they still could. Office software? Barely anything changed. Browsing? If web shitters didn't invent new shit to slow everything down, 99% of current websites could look and function the same and run on browsers from 2013. Image and video manipulation? Photoshop and video editing tools barely changed since then. And that's already everything 60% of normalfags do. As for games, all you need is to update rendering APIs and they would still work, and most games would be able to run on the old APIs too.Even though the requirements barely changed, software gets slower, bigger and clunkier. It's because of pajeets and low wage code monkeys being hired to write garbage and exec kikes/women deciding everything needs to look "modern" and have AI in it and it needs to be out in 2 weeks.
>>108695542That shit is sped up by at least 2x
>>108695476Yep, it's dogshit.
>>108697482It's not, I recorded it myself 12 years ago. You're just so used to modern software bloat it seems impossibly fast.
>>108695542This is true, but 8.1 is a downgrade from 8. It was made to appeal to redditboomers who couldn't figure out where the start button was, despite the fact that it never moved.
>>108697482Nah I don't think so. You just don't remember what it was like before every fucking desktop program was a full fat web browser rendering a web page. It doesn't take much to render some rectangles and text and little icons and gradients to draw a program's UI if you're actually using some API which does exactly that instead of taking taking a million detours through 27 bajillion lines of fucking web rendering browser engine.
>>108695476VB6.0 would blitz the fuck out of this.
>>108697431My brother in Christ, AI slopware IS jeetware. We're fucking doomed.
>>108696606Underrated TRVKE
>>108697452This anon gets it
>>108697452>It's because of pajeets and low wage code monkeys being hired to write garbageI don't think so, actually. It's not the bottom of the pyramid making decisions such as what technology or GUI library to write the entire UI in, as an example. Sure a dogshit programmer at the bottom can and will do a bad job but when Windows ships with the fucking start menu and the file browser and the settings panel as web pages rendered by a web browser engine then that is not a code monkey problem, that is a leadership and technical architecture problem.Somebody a lot higher on the chain made the decision to write basic OS UI components in HTML and JS or whatever the fuck, somebody else approved it, somebody decided it's OK to see loading screens when you open your OS settings window, somebody decided it's OK for the file browser to be so slow you can see it draw in UI elements one at a time and so on. Dogshit programmers probably wrote those components but they're not the ones who decided the Windows UI should be a series of web pages rather than native GUI elements written in some OS API and compiled straight to native code for the target platform.This is a major failure at the decision making level from the get go, before even 1 single line of shit code was ever written in the first place.
>>108695476Hi, I'm Pradesh Rajumateshitpoo, Certified Senior Microsoft Forum Support Consultant Management Solution Engineer, how can I help you today ser?
>>108695476set up a linux machine between your router and puterwireshark on the linux boxfilter by dns queries coming from puternull those dns requests in hosts file on the puter
Why can't I use AI to make a new version of Windows?
>>108695476It's because it's running JS and has to turn on the chrome runtimeYou get there faster with C/C++ runtime.Or faster with a C/C++/Objective-C/Swift runtime.
>>108695476Everything is probably some kind of chromium browser.
>>108696081metro is still gay desu
>>108695528>winjeets trying to use Apple takeslmao, what an embarassement...
Windows 11 is certainly bad but the Settings load instantly for me.
>>108699885>werks on my machinegood for you anon
>>108697941because it will end up creating an ungodly hybrid of linux and reactos
good if true, at least there's a loading timerevery time i've used windows recently programs just hang and stop responding when they load something
>>108699944works on my machine too :^)
>>108695542You can have similar responsiveness on modern Linux while also using better FOSS tools
>>108695476It probably loads a full browser engine running react. Lmao
>>108700047linux never felt fast or snappy for me, it's like it always had some film of slowness over gui, never ever felt crisp fast as idk winxp.also remote gui has absymal performance compared to windows rdp which is funny since linux is like server os. I mean right now I work through rdp session connected to machine that is just vm on big server and it feels and behaves like local machine, most people could never tell a difference. Have rdp session spanned over three monitors, you can watch youtube on one and there's no degradation of performance whatsoever doing stuff on other two.
>>108700101>also remote gui has absymal performance compared to windows rdp which is funny since linux is like server os.How is this funny? You don't run display server on your server, only wishit server does that.
>>108700108>ou don't run display server on your serverthing is redirection is ass, back in the day x redirection worked kinda ok but now when you fire up something that is not using x calls but just dumps shit into framebuffer (which is everything) it saturates even gigabit link with uncompressed raw data.
>>108695542Windows 8 on a Sandy Bridge i5 laptop with a Samsung 840 Pro SSD is to this day the fastest cold boot I've ever seen.Eight fucking seconds from pressing the power button to reaching desktop.These fucking Indians man, the shit we could've had if Microslop only brought the start menu back and left Windows alone after that.>>108696606>unless you intentionally install a sperglord tism distro like gentoo or plain archIf you install plain Arch today you can use it for years if you don't fucking tinker it and rape it. You'll rape Windows the same if you keep tinkering with it and then rape your computer thinking it's the problem when you just need a reinstall. No really I have seen this happen once.
>>108700479>Windows 8 on a Sandy Bridge i5 laptop with a Samsung 840 Pro SSD is to this day the fastest cold boot I've ever seen.>Eight fucking seconds from pressing the power button to reaching desktop.This isn't cold boot you retard unless you explicitly disabled fast startup.
>>108700556Fuck I forgot it had that on by default. I had no idea then for sure.
>>108700047Krita took a good 7 seconds to load there
>>108700047Unfortunately not really, especially Honeyview I've tried every image viewer for Linux and none are as fast as it. Otherwise all popular distros are more snappy than Windows 10 or 11 of course, with the exception of Ubuntu because of snaps (hehe).Also I don't want to be an asshole, but Gimp and Krita still load slower than Photoshop CS6 and still don't match its functionality. But modern Photoshop is even worse, for what its worth, I've since switched to Affinity 3 which is also slow to load.
>>108700556I've had ~10 second boots without fast startup back in the day. I explicitly disabled that because the first thing I did when installing windows anywhere was powercfg.exe /h off which disables that. And because I remember a lot of people having trouble with that shit enabled after a while because they never, ever tried restarting the PC, they just turned it on and off. Now I'm actually using linux and I'm not getting under 20 fucking seconds.
>>108700556Find the restart time script form SevenForums this is what I've been using to time my boot for many years - >>108695913
>>108700820>But modern Photoshop is even worse, for what its worth, I've since switched to Affinity 3 which is also slow to load.Current photoshop is not just slow to load, it's slow to use. I don't recall on a 15 year old garbage machine having as much trouble as I do with a 2024 fucking $1k laptop with that fucking program. I had to switch to Affinity as well given the circumstances. And that's considering that on Windows Affinity is fairly slow as well (and on linux it's even worse, unusable without an nvidia GPU).
>>108695476Use Windows 10 (Non-IoT) Enterprise LTSC 2021 until it's and NVIDIA drivers EOL in 11th month of 2026, by then Microslop should finish what they promised in the blogs in terms of performance and user experience improvements, and you can safely move over to Windows 11 (Non-IoT) Enterprise LTSC 2024
>>108695476Good morning sir! Please kindly submit your report to microsoft.com/supportOur AI agents will take care of this
>>108700877>Current photoshop is not just slow to load, it's slow to use.When I used Adobe CC at my last job I installed it in a VM on my personal laptop because it was worse than malware. It installed so many services that had to run constantly that my laptop would bog down and the battery would drain measurably faster. I was asked at my new job if it's worth paying for an Adobe license and I told them I'll just use Affinity instead and I'm happy with it, it's significantly faster with larger files.
>>108700942>Adobe CC at my last job I installed it in a VMlol actually not bad idea at all
>>108695476Laugh all you want, but why is my job and school forced to use 365 for everything? And they keep hiring these UX google smartphone fags to break their interface like Powerpoint and changing everything to heiroglyphics so I don't know which menu item to click while making everything incompatible so it only works on 365. It seems you cant run 2 different 365 accounts on the same computer so it totally breaks and gives you an "Oops! Something went wrong!" o rly? fucking kys irl
>>108700942>it was worse than malware.It practically is, it can actively modify your hosts file (I guess because they figured that a good number of people used this to pirate their shit, rightfully) and it doesn't have a fully clean way of getting rid of that stupid fucking adobe cloud bullshit.Adobe products are only "worth using" (not really, given their practices and their pricing) on macOS where at least performance is bearable. It's a shame lightroom remains very good as a piece of software compared to most alternatives. The rest can honestly be ditched.
>>108700950It worked well enough I can recommend it. >>108700977Never really used Lightroom personally, but I've been told it's great. I only needed Photoshop to touch up product photos and location shots for catalogues and brochures. I mostly used InDesign and later Affinity Publisher to make pdf-s for download and printed media.
>>108695745>>108695851Affinity is now owned by canva and they stopped the support forum and replaced it with a fucking discord server. I cannot find a worse example of pro software in 2026
>>108701171It's easily the dumbest, most unprofessional decision I've seen, but they're yet to fuck up Affinity itself. The program is in active development with large updates coming every month adding features and bug fixes. After the switch to version 3 the new Affinity was very buggy, but now it's caught up to version 2 in terms of stability.
>>108701207The canva dev team is full of trannies (factual knowledge) and it’s definitely leaking into affinity products. They will never get to that long list of basic feature requests they ignored on the forums, and they will never have the ability to do vertical asian text because the devs are a bunch of tranny ebussys that can only implement features they thought of
>>108701234Aaah, that would explain why literally every single human (in both photo and illustration) on the affinity website is a nigger, you'd think Affinity was developed in Nigeria.
>>108697941Because Microsoft is already doing it
>>108700799Krita being krita. Takes 4 seconds for me.
>>108701243Just like canva they are now years behind the trends because everyone there has their head so far up their ass they cannot see the light of day. They are still in the woke stage because the devs live in echo chambers
>>108697494I can modify mtime too bro
>>108701234The affinity forums before also had this problem, there were some features not being implemented or ignored just because. What I noticed with V3 is that it got really annoying to look for some things. They rearranged the menus and I don't know that it has much to do with the fact they put everything under one application.That said, I'd rather use this garbage which is still somewhat free to Adobe products whenever I'm able.And because like you said, it's a troon squad, I don't doubt they're already knee deep into porting that shit to linux.
>>108701273We'll see what happens, but I'm not optimistic. I'm expecting that Affinity will be usable for a few years then inevitably it will go downhill. >>108701415>despite all the animations and video running in realtime, you obviously sped up the videoIt's sad that a responsive user experience is so unimaginable nowadays that you're accusing me of editing the video. I might be misremembering but .webm support was added in 2014 and there was a 3MB file limit. I wanted to be as fast as possible in the video in order to open all kinds of files - pdf, spreadsheet, image, video etc. without having to butcher the bitrate. This was my user experience with Nvidia in Mint back in 2014.
>>108701626>This was my user experience with Nvidia in Mint back in 2014.Checks out, nvidia has always been terrible, but also the compositor on Mint didn't ever play niceI currently use cachyOS with plasma (as do many people here, you can accuse me of being cattle) and it's pretty responsive but that's precisely because I'm comparing it to something like current Windows.And macOS. Something that pisses me off about macOS very much is that the higher the refresh rate, the slower the animations are. I don't know if it's a bug or what, but it's amazingly stupid that the animations are snappier on 60hz than 120hz. The only hope you have of something fast and snappy there is to just disable animations altogether. If there's anything GNOME does better is managing and using virtual desktops, macOS is a sluggish bastard on that one despite having this feature for decades
>>108701455They almost proactively ignored linux as a topic on the forums, they will never ever release for linux. At a stretch it may end up as a webapp
>>108701701Yeah but they recently mentioned they were looking into it as it was the number one request.The program already works under linux, it's just it has a few crashes on AMD and no GPU acceleration there (on nvidia it does).Anyways it's clear the platform they target the most is macOS because it runs buttery smooth over there except for the AI shit.
>>108701719>speedupkek
>>108700047I wanted to complain but end up masturbating to Krita's mascot...
>>108701694Yeah the problem was the default compositor I tried switching to compton or whatever it was called and it helped some, but still had problems. I've switched to AMD since 2019 and I haven't had such problems with any Linux distro.I don't have much experience with modern Mac OS, the last real Apple compute I've owned was a G3 iMac, and I've installed Mac OS on unsupported hardware to test it out multiple times, there was always something that annoyed me so much that I got rid of it every time.
>>108701719God what's with that delay loading settings?
>>108700047The loading screens are embarrassing, but I'm okay with looking at Kiki for that long
>>108695528Hun? W10 still working perfectly
>>108695476I just clicked on it and it opened instantly, maybe it's an issue with your start menu.
>>108701726>>108701762why are lincopers always like thisat my count, that's 82 frames from start button press to fully loaded.1 and 1/3rd seconds
>thread goes deathly quietkekeither the lincux are planning their next attack in their discord, or they’re currently having a group dial8 session on VC to cope with their loss.
>>108701719>>108701868So this is the power of India's elite human capital
>>108695476Welcome to the future. iPhone shit was doing that when they switched to SwiftUI as well.
>>108702066>82 frames is too long reeeee
>>108702073Yeah, considering your hardware it definitely isJust to render a window with some settings and transparency it's not only taking that, your start menu flickers and your CPU usage goes up by 10%. On a CPU that should mog any of these other machines by the way.You've just been conditioned, that is all
It feels so fucking good having moved on to Linux a year ago and not having to worry about microslop bullshit anymoreThere is no debloating, spying, performance issues, fucking REACT menus, half baked jeet vibecoded destructive updates that wipes your files
>>108695476>Microsoft BasicThis would make it way more responsive.
>>108697482hello zoom zoomwhat was your first OS? 10?
>>108695476>1/6 of the settings panel is covered by adsThis is chinkphone levels of kikery.
>>108702615Have you ever actually tried using the default "apps" that come with Windows? It's insane, you're already on Windows, but the OS and every other Microsoft application constantly tries to upsell you or promote another Microsoft app or service, it's worse than chink phones.
>>108695476with visual basic it would instantly open
>>108695542win7 is even faster, this is my main concern about linux, I know windows is a lost cause
>>108697762> It's not the bottom of the pyramid making decisions> Somebody a lot higher on the chain made the decision to write basic OS UI components in HTML and JS Bold of you to assume pajeets aren't at the highest level. The lowest programmers might actually be the most intelligent. Pajeets reserve easy jobs where they do nothing with easy languages for the top and make the lower pajeets do the rest.That said, you're right in that people higher in the chain of command are to blame. This is the result of capitalism, we've reached a point where we're close enough to the peak of comfort with the technology that we have, that it's become easier to extract profit with enshitificatition. People also need to justify their jobs, and that's easier by reinventing the wheel on how we do UI rather than explaining to the higher ups where people would be better invested and risking getting fired.Simply put, projects become essentially feature-complete, higher ups will never understand that so people won't get put to work on other projects (X is making us money so we continue working on X mentality), so instead of doing working something new, they have to make work and extract money from what they already have.
>>108695476i booted my gaming laptop for the first time in a few months. after i let windows warm up i opened the `updates`.it has all the updates listed and links that says `download & install` (etc)click the links several times and they do nothingwin11 is like linux in 2003
I recently had to go back to an Android 12 phone from 2020 and it is fucking insane how much of a better OS and phone this is.
>>108701736>>108701736how come the usual crowd hasn't had a melty over Kiki's design?
>>108695542based bvllgarian chad
real schizo hours
>>108695476I used to be able to get XP to load in about 11 seconds.
>>108702658And in addition to that you have whatever spyware the OEM wants you to have (McAfee, Dropbox, the Favorites bar in the start menu full of games etc)
>>108695476i dont have this issue.
Yes they acknowledge it and they are changing it https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/microsoft-plans-major-start-menu-upgrades-for-windows-11-with-better-customization-and-performance-users-will-soon-be-able-to-resize-and-toggle-off-entire-areas-of-start
>hourly jay niggirwin flamewar troll thread>>108700799>05:28:35>>108703936>12:43:40>>108705196>16:09:10>>108706177>19:43:03>>108706804>22:29:37>jay niggirwin samefags himself to save his flamewar troll thread from page 10 after hours of no bites again
Linux with a desktop environment is very slow, the dolphin file manager lags out when dealing with a hard drive with terabytes of data, literally takes 20 seconds to delete an empty folder.
>>108707744Noooooo linux is magic pixie dust. Reddit and the youtube influencers cannot be wrong.
>>108695542This is awesomeconsoomers of /g/ eternally btfo
>>108695476>he does not know about the secret nvme driver enabling native nvme in windows>microsoft dont want you to know this so its not as easy to enable ithttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/new-windows-native-nvme-driver-benchmarks-reveal-transformative-performance-gains-up-to-64-89-percent-lightning-fast-random-reads-and-breakthrough-cpu-efficiencyhttps://www.techpowerup.com/344348/windows-11-25h2-includes-a-faster-nvme-driver-needing-manual-installationhttps://www.techpowerup.com/344348/windows-11-25h2-includes-a-faster-nvme-driver-needing-manual-installation
>not using Win 11 IOT LTSC
>>108695545>windows ceo indian and many indian devsmade by indians for indians SAAAAR
>>108708054>he thinks having to manually activate faster RW on an already fast RW system just to be able to not have to wait ages for a fucking menu to load up is okaykys
>>108695476While i don't doubt it's bloated as fuck, it loads immediately on an i7-7700k, so what are you doing?
>>108695542>OCZ Vertex 4 SSDrip data
>wirth's law still unbeaten why is this shit not literally instant by now reeee
