I picked up a classic Socket 7 board with a Pentium 100 and 32 MB of RAM. Despite having been alive when this came out, I never built a PC during this era.I also have a SoundBlaster, a 3COM network card, and an ATI Mach32 video card, all ISA. I know I can get an ATX to AT power adapter so I can run this from a modern PSU.Is there a way to connect a SATA SSD to this thing? Like maybe a PCI SATA RAID controller that someone has written a retro driver for? What about PCI USB cards with retro OS support?Tell us about your retro builds and what you use them for.
>>108696516I was into this a decade ago and have a decent collection of boards and CPUs but running the same OCs and benchmarks to squeeze out an extra 4FPS for sub-60 FPS quake. Gets so old when you can run it so easily on an ARm-powered chink handheld at like 300 FPS.
Retro bread.
>>108696516Use case?
>>108696561Nostalgia. This would have been the ultimate gaming PC when I was in high school but I was poor so I only had a 486SX25.
>>108696549the world owes me anal sex with topanga.
>>108696516How can I get this stuff without getting murdered by shipping? Specifically old DOS era hardware.
>>108696516>Is there a way to connect a SATA SSD to this thing?SATA to IDE adapted is what I'd use.
>>108696549Not op, but for me the hardware is the interesting part, not the game. If all I wanted to do was play Quake, I would just use any computer I could get my hands on, not even bother with dedicated hardware like chinkhelds.The fun with retro hardware is the tinkering and pushing it to its limits. Moderrn hardware bores me because its all locked down, and has no interesting limits to push. I much preferred playing FEAR at 30 FPS medium settings on my Pentium 4 machine over playing it at 100 FPS max settings on my i5.
>>108696551I wonder if it tasted different back then
>>108696847They probably used less preservatives and processed additives back then.
>>108696516>Is there a way to connect a SATA SSD to this thing? Like maybe a PCI SATA RAID controller that someone has written a retro driver for?You can use IDE DOM, search for it on aliexpress.Sata hdd is doable and bootable but you need sata card with bootable eprom - search on aliexpress. idk about sata ssd, never tried it, old os'es don't have trim support?usb is not a problem, also search on aliexpress for card.I had maxxed out ibm server, pentium pro 1gb edo ram and sata drives, usb ports, gigabit ethernet even semi-modern gpu with startech pci-pci-e adapter. Was fun but eventually downgraded back to era correct specs.
>>108696861I don't know, what's actually changed in the white bread industry in the past 50 years? White bread has basically been a super processed artificial version of bread since its inception, before sliced white bread, people baked their own bread with factory made yeast, or bought it from local bakeries, and before that they all ate sourdough made from yeast they grew themselves.
>>108696883I've heard DOMs have issues with speed and boot issues with some OSes. He might be better off using a CF card. Those are usually faster and larger, and they use the standard IDE interface, all you need is a pin adapter to make it fit the socket.
Granps, I KNEEL.Usb is actually fucking amazing, and often still works with extra old hardware that has usb. But expect only the speeds of the original hardware lol
>>108696835>It's all locked downDo you not build your own computers, anon? You know you can do whatever you want, right?
>>108696931just recently made DOM for my win xp era computer and it works.for some reason 2.5 ide dom's are much cheaper than 3.5 ones so I got cheap 2.5 one a then wasted hours to make custom 2.5-3.5 cable by soldering each wire of 3.5 cable to 2.5 header.
>>108696950I can stick GPUs in the dedicated GPU socket, stick CPUs in the dedicated CPU socket, stick RAM in the dedicated RAM socket, and stick NVME SSDs in the dedicated NVME socket. That's it. Maybe I can overclock the CPU or GPU to the levels pre defined by the manufacturer if they deem to allow me to. And While I'm using the computer, all hardware access is automated away from me 3x over by the OS, drivers, and programs.Old computers let you do whatever the fuck you want. Want to control the ram timings? Ok sure. Want to adjust the what IRQ each peripheral is assigned? Go ahead. Want to directly access memory on the graphics card to program it directly without the OS getting in the way? Go ahead. Want a new CPU, but said CPU is the wrong socket? Just make an adapted, there's no BIOS supported CPU list to stop you. You've gotta respect that.These things came with really complete repair manuals too. They fully encouraged you to replace every component on the board and would tell you exactly how to do it. Modern boards just want you to send them back to the manufacturer if anything breaks.
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>>108697000What's the performance like on that? I've been using a brand new HDD on a SATA to IDE converter.
>>108697020You're running XP on a 4GB drive? Isn't that a bit small? I wasn't even able to manage just using a 6GB boot partition in addition to a larger storage partition.
>>108697038performance is better than hdd but didn't do any benchmarks yet. it feels very snappy but probably more because of fast seek than raw transfer rate.>>108697054xp after install is tad under 2gb so 4gb is plenty.
>>108697127>performance is better than hdd but didn't do any benchmarks yet.What HDD are you comparing against? I've gotten really good seek times (more than XP would ever need) on my WD Blue and the Seagate Barracuda it replaced.>xp after install is tad under 2gb so 4gb is plenty.Where are all your files and programs gonna go?
>>108697175this is specific case, it's rdp terminal so other than os there ain't much else on it. samsung used to make those back in 2008 or so.
>>108697273>Samsung RDP terminalCould you post a picture?
>>108697278I'm gonna disappoint you, it looks like old samsung monitor.
>>108696835>I much preferred playing FEAR at 30 FPS medium settings on my Pentium 4 machine over playing it at 100 FPS max settings on my i5same, tuning a system and seeing the results is fun
>>108697331Difference being it has amd geode based mbo running win xp embedded but can also run full xp with bigger drive, comes with just 256mb dom stock.
>>108697331So its a terminal, and not a normal monitor. What does it have internally? Is there a processor and ram? Can you post a picture of the MOBO and any ports it might have? What are the specs?
>>108697364Sorry, the other posts were visible when I wrote this.
>>108696516>Is there a way to connect a SATA SSD to this thingSATA to IDE adapter? Although I know some old BIOSes can't handle drive capacities larger than ~30gb so you might need to watch out for that. On my DOS machine I use an IDE drive that has a jumper to limit its capacity.
>>108697351So what are the specs? What CPU, GPU, RAM? Can you upgrade the RAM? What do you do with it? What was it used for originally?
>>108696835The issue isn't that we can't overclock and optimise anymore, in fact there's a multitude of options that didn't exist back in the day, we just don't need to anymore.I remember moving jumper pins around on the motherboard to overclock my 500mhz celeron, managed to get that fucker to 997mhz. Ridiculously unstable, and always seethed I couldn't quite crack the 1G.. but it enabled me to play Warcraft 3 and Call of Duty.. and I simply wouldn't have been able to without taking those measures.Now internet explorer uses more resources than my entire PC back then, want more performance just fucking close something idk.
>>108697370*weren't visible
>>108697379amd geode nx 1500, 256mb ram, 256mb dom. ram is upgradeable, see the pic of mbo, single slot. has gigabit ethernet which was rare for that era. it not quite standard pc tho, can't just boot xp on it, have to inject all kind of drivers to be able to boot.
>>108697414We do absolutely have less granular control over out PCs now. Everything is optimized and automated away from the user. A lot of it is literally impossible to access, regardless of how much of a power user you are.
>>108697420>, have to inject all kind of drivers to be able to bootHow's that work? You mentioned installing regular XP earlier, if you did that, would you be able to install the drivers to the DOM?
>>108697019>I don't know how to do what I want, so I asked ChatGPT for all the stuff that might make me sound like I'm an old fag that knows what I'm talking aboutI fucking hate tourists.
>>108697443>You mentioned installing regular XP earlierregular as in "full XP" not embedded. it's still not normal xp but winxp integral edition the one people run on modern computers + injection of drivers that I extracted from default xp embedded install on dom.looking back it was not pleasant experience, I wasted hours and hours on it. first try was actually updating win xp emb from sp2 to sp3 but that was so much work I gave up.this is my retro machine, much comfier to play with.
>>108696516I finally bought a pair of Voodoo 2s. Always wanted a pair in SLI and I'm finally going to live that dream. Obviously they weren't cheap, but cheaper than I've seen any others go for in the past 5 years I've been keeping an eye on things. Probably gonna pair them with my 1GHz Coppermine Pentium III and one of the Matrox cards I have.
>>108697462Explain how any of what I said was wrong.
>>108697480>integral editionI find it has a lot of problems, so I usually just the unofficial service pack 4. That has problems too, but less.> first try was actually updating win xp emb from sp2 to sp3 but that was so much work I gave up.What went wrong?Side note, but I find anything newer than sp2 is unusable with less than 512MB RAM. If you want a decent experience out of that thing, you may want to upgrade the RAM.>this is my retro machine, much comfier to play with.Nice, what's her specs? What do you do with her?
>>108696516Windows 95 technically supported USB but it is not the USB you are used to, you had to restart the computer every time you attached a device. Let alone the fact that the device itself needed Windows 95 drivers. You're better off getting a SATA adapter for your Main PC and copy the files directly on to the hard drive before putting it back in the Retro.
>>108696802>SATA to IDE adapted is what I'd use.If you do use one of these, stay away from the chink versions or anything that uses JMicron chipset. They only support ATA PIO mode and they are slow as shit. Like 2-3MB/s slow.Marvell chipsets support UDMA but they are a lot more expensive.Alternatively, you are looking for Compact Flash cards, which used a mini IDE connector so you can convert it to IDE with a simple adapter. The problem here is that CF cards are expensive, and if the card is labeled as removable then it may not boot. Good luck.The cheapest option is finding a period accurate IDE HDD up to ~30GB (there's a support limit at 32GB and another at 128GB), plus a IDE CD drive, these cost pennies, then just burn shit until you can transfer around enough drivers to get networking going. After that you can just FTP shit over to it with total commander, which still has win98 compatible versions.oh, wait, you use socket 7, those might not support CD boot. Then maybe use one of those slow-ass ide-sata adapters from aliexpress to connect an IDE drive to your PC, install win98 inside x86box or PCEM, then write out the virtual hard disk to your physical one. Won't matter if writing is slow as shit if you only need to do it once.
IDE adapter*
>>108697414>Now internet explorer uses more resources than my entire PC back then, want more performance just fucking close something idk.I ran memtest on a pentium 150 last week, it had an L1 cache measured at something like 130MB/s. SSDs are faster than that in random access nowadays, and you could probably fit the entire machine inside the L1 cache of a modern CPU. Crazy stuff.>>108697583>Side note, but I find anything newer than sp2 is unusable with less than 512MB RAM.Yeah, XP before SP2 was an utter fucking joke, basically Win2k with a new skin. With SP2 they actually changed things around and added a lot of (basic) security things, it was a response to a dozen or so viruses exploiting Windows XPs lack of security so badly that they'd gone worldwide overnight. Some of those viruses were actually designed to clean previous viruses off the system. It was hilarious and you'd get an "RPC process terminated, reboot in 00:50..." popup because of it (you could also trigger that from command line to any computer on the local network in school).So once they tried fixing shit with SP2, XP now used more RAM. Before that it would run buttery smooth with 256MB, but by ~2006 you'd need 1GB if you actually wanted to do things beyond the base OS. I remember running it with 1GB and having virtual memory off, it was only until 2006 or so that some games started using so much memory that they'd throw artifacts and upgraded to 2GB.
>>108697583>Side note, but I find anything newer than sp2 is unusable with less than 512MB RAM.Depends what you're running. Clean xpsp3 uses just 75mb ram after boot.What went wrong with embedded? You can't upgrade from sp2 to sp3, need to make whole new custom image and that is super complicated and labor intensive. There's no default installer image, you have to build your own. I needed newer sp because old rdp clients in sp2 can't connect to modern windows machines anymore.Old IBM is just chugging away actually running 24/7 since it doesn't use that much electricity, idles at 60w with 3 scsi drives had to pull 2nd cpu out tho for that. Running it headless via rdp, server 2003, only era incorrect upgrade is 100mbit ethernet. doesn't run much, emule/torrent for some rare books/documents and usual retro stuff. Also the metallic noise those old hard drives make is pure nostalgia.
>>108697660lol have pic from that era, also notice ugly ass windows skin.
I have one of these that I found at goodwill for a few bucks. It's a pretty neat little box that runs Win98. 900MHz VIA C3, built in USB + PS2 + VGA, external cd+floppy dock. I replaced the internal laptop drive with one of those aliexpress msata adapters so it's pretty snappy.size is about the same as an original gameboy.the manufacturer's website still exists for some reasonhttps://www.cappuccinopc.com/espressopc.asp
>>108697606>If you do use one of these, stay away from the chink versions or anything that uses JMicron chipset. They only support ATA PIO mode and they are slow as shit. Like 2-3MB/s slow.I use a cheap $8 one I got off ebay. Testing it in CrystalMark, it gets 32MB/S sequential read, 27 MB/S sequential write. It does have really slow random read and write though, being 0.6 MB/S and 0.3 MB/S. I don't know if the adapter would cause that though, that seems like more of an issue with seek times in the drive.The only issue I've seen with these things is that some systems, especially old Macs, don't like them. Never had any personal experience though, just seen it happen to other people. They've been great for me.>The problem here is that CF cards are expensive, and if the card is labeled as removable then it may not boot. Good luck.I've seen people have luck with SD card adapters. They're a lot cheaper than CF cards, though they use an active adapter and have terrible seek times. By early 90s standards they're fine, but they're definetly slower than late 90s drives in terms of actual usage.>The cheapest option is finding a period accurate IDE HDD up to ~30GBI've had terrible experience with used hard drives. There's no telling if they actually work when you buy them since the people selling drives that old hardly test them. And even if it does "work" its usually horrendously slow due to all the hours of wear it has. I've seen DOSdude selling IDE SSDs, so those might be an option if you want to use something with a native IDE interface. These aren't to be confused with the "IDE SSDs" on Aliexpress that are just regular SD cards or SSDs connected to an adapted in a shell.> After that you can just FTP shit over to it with total commander, which still has win98 compatible versions.FTP relies on you having decent home networking, which some people don't. I'm stuck using a mobile hotstop for internet, for example.
>>108697606>oh, wait, you use socket 7, those might not support CD bootNot op, I don't use a Socket 7 system, but I have had to make due without CD boot before. Just use a boot floppy. You can get a cheap USB floppy drive on ebay or amazon along with a pack of disks, then make a boot disk.I had to do that on a Dell laptop with no internal drives. I couldn't find the proprietary CD rom drive it needed, but I could find the floppy drive. So what I did was install DOS to the disk and create 2 partitions. One had DOS and the other was an empty partition to install windows to. Then I took the drive out, put it in another PC, copied the contents of the 98SE install disk to it, then put it back and booted into DOS. From there it was basically the same as using a boot disk. I just booted into DOS and installed Win 98.
>>108696516ywnbaw tinkertroonretrofags deserve the rope
>>108697685>. Clean xpsp3 uses just 75mb ram after boot.I tried it and had a couple hundred paged and something like 190MB ram in use by the OS. The thing would chug if I ran any programs like VLC or Kmeleon.>Old IBM is just chugging away actually running 24/7 since it doesn't use that much electricityWhat CPU, how much RAM, any graphics card?>emule/torrent for some rare books/documents and usual retro stuffSo basically just a file server then?>. Also the metallic noise those old hard drives make is pure nostalgiaYeah, that's why I try to stick to hard drives eve now. I just like the sound.
>>108697749>I'm stuck using a mobile hotstop for internet, for example.you can still use proper router with mobile hotspot like mikrotik and maybe put together server from scrap.I have this thing running proxmox and synology in vm, only new parts where 8tb hard drive and picopsu from aliexpress. Idles at 15w with one hdd and one ssd.
>>108697710So this has a built in mouse, but no keyboard?
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>>108697811>you can still use proper router with mobile hotspotHow do you connect them? Also I'm not using a phone, I'm using a dedicated Wifi hotspot device.
>>108697749>I use a cheap $8 one I got off ebay. Testing it in CrystalMark, it gets 32MB/S sequential read, 27 MB/S sequential write. It does have really slow random read and write though, being 0.6 MB/S and 0.3 MB/S.What chipset and what direction? I'm using a jmicron one to read IDE drives in my desktop, so IDE is converted to SATA, and not only is it slow as shit, it doesn't even recognize some drives.>I don't know if the adapter would cause that though, that seems like more of an issue with seek times in the drive.With mechanical drives, that's to be expected. They use a single r/w head, they are incapable of random access.>I've had terrible experience with used hard drives. There's no telling if they actually work when you buy them since the people selling drives that old hardly test them.Over here, you can't sell a drive without a HDD Sentinel screenshot saying they are 100/100. Then again you expect HDDs to have decent random access, so maybe you just simply don't know what you are looking for.>And even if it does "work" its usually horrendously slow due to all the hours of wear it has.Wear does not make HDDs slower. They are slow because... older drives are slower than newer ones. It's a shocker, I know. Besides it doesn't matter if a drive only runs at like 12MB/s if its only like 1GB in size, you can read the entire disk in less than 2 minutes.>FTP relies on you having decent home networking, which some people don't. I'm stuck using a mobile hotstop for internet, for example.lolwut, you need a patch cable and the cheapest simplest router (or even just a switch really), I'm talking $10 tp-link. Set up all machines to use the same LAN, run server on your desktop, connect to its IP from the retro machine, and copy shit over. I've done this as far back as 2006 to copy files over from my XP desktop to my then-retro 1998 machine running win98SE.
>>108697813yeah for whatever reason there's a trackpad in the case but you need an external ps2/usb keyboardI'm not really sure what the actual target market was. It seems like they make modern embedded systems for retail now
>>108697842patch cable from retro machines ethernet card to switch/routerpatch cable from your desktops motherboard/ethernet card to switch/routerconfig both machines ports to be in the same network (for ex. 192.168.1.*), or if you use a router, enable dhcp and it'll do this automatically.there you go, the machines are now networked.I thought people on /g/ knew computers?
>>108697845>What chipset and what direction? As far as I can tell its completely unbranded. I can't figure out what chipset or manufacturer it has. Anyways its so I can use a SATA drive with an IDE motherboard.>you can't sell a drive without a HDD Sentinel screenshot saying they are 100/100.Even then, the screenshot doesn't really tell you about how wear has effected the seek times. When a drive has bad seek times, you can feel it. That's way more important than seuential speed, and no one ever talks about it when selling.>Then again you expect HDDs to have decent random access, so maybe you just simply don't know what you are looking for.Decent by HDD standards. People tend to vastly undersell the responsiveness of HDDs just because they're inherently slower than SSDs. I've had HDDs that are painfully slow to use, and HDDs that I can't notice a difference from SSDs in daily use. Like that 250GB Seagate Barracuda, that thing was snappy.>Wear does not make HDDs slower. They are slow because... older drives are slower than newer ones. It's a shockerYes it does. I have drives from 2014 than run slower than drives from 2001 because the drive from 2014 was used in a server nonstop for 4 years (that's total hours runtime), while the drive from 2001 sat on a shelf doing nothing for 20 years. Mechanical devices wear down with age, that's just simple physics.>Besides it doesn't matter if a drive only runs at like 12MB/s if its only like 1GB in sizeI'm talking abou random read, seek times. That's what actually matters when using a drive as a boot drive. Sequential speed only has to be fast enough to not cause lag while playing video.>They use a single r/w head, they are incapable of random accessThey're not incapable of it, they just do it really slow because they have to physically move the head to do it. I just think that 0.6 MBps is a bit slow even for a mechanical drive.they really need to increase the post size limit
>>108697845>lolwut, you need a patch cable and the cheapest simplest routerNot everyone has a router or can run ethernet cable all over their house. I'm stuck using wifi transfer files, which is aids. I'm considering runnning the network through the power lines, but the power here is really ditry and we get a lot of power surges on top of that, so I'm worried it'll break something.
>>108697480why does this look ai generated?
>>108697879Oh you mean having two separate networks. Guess I'm just stupid for not realizing that's what you meant. I was thinking of them all being on the same network, with internet access.Though, I could probably just get a crossover cable and connect them directly if I wanted to do that.
>>108697969You've become paranoid about AI, so now everything looks AI generated.
You have recapped your motherboard, right?
>>108697962>Not everyone has a routerbut you have a socket 7 pentium? ok.>or can run ethernet cable all over their house.are you fucking retarded? have the switch in the same room as the 2 computers you are networking together, with shorter cables (no, I'm not saying you need to crimp your own cables like picrel, you can get premolded 0.5-1-2 meter patch cables for $1). unless your computers are all over the house too? then you can just fucking move the retro machine to the same room as your desktop.>>108697975It could be with internet access too, but good luck running a browser on a pentium 1 that's compatible with any modern website. Assuming you find something old-ass that doesn't rely on ecmascript 2017 notations like a plain apache directory listing, you'd still get cockblocked by old browsers not being compatible with newer versions of SSL/TLS.and there's absolutely no reason why you couldn't have anything over the same LAN, except maybe security.>>108697943>the drive from 2014 was used in a server nonstop for 4 years (that's total hours runtime),lol that would do fuck all to it. I have/had drives that had nonstop access for 4+ years and were running the same speed as brand new drives of the same type. Shit I have two such drives connected to my desktop RIGHT NOW. I just heard one of them spin up as I checked the SMART to see how many hours it has (it has 48130 power on hours).but why am I even arguing with a retard who thinks assembling an ethernet network is impossibly complicated.
just put a router or switch in the same room as the computers and plug some ethernet cables in, are you retarded? /g/ is such a joke now
>>108696516>Despite having been alive when this came outVery interesting, I wasn't. Was alive to use something just a bit newer than that, well after the point that it was obsolete, though.>Mach32A bit old for a P100 isn't it?>Is there a way to connect a SATA SSD to this thing?Plenty of ways no point, will it even support anything that big. Just get a CF or SD card and the adapter (but if it has a translation chip it can be shit so make sure it isn't first.>Like maybe a PCI SATA RAID controller that someone has written a retro driver for?Yes and there are still new PCI SATA controllers being made, they might have drivers they might not, I have not looked into this at all.As you already have IDE on the motherboard and no requirement for speed, use an adapter.>boardFixed Vcore, don't go putting any newer socket 7 CPUs into that shit!!!
>>108697420>amd geode nx 1500Oh shit nigger that's S462
>>108697962>so I'm worried it'll break something.you probably will. that's what happens when you do things the retarded way.
>>108696835>Moderrn hardware bores me because its all locked down, and has no interesting limits to pushretards, lga1155 p67 z68 z77 (maybe 1150 too?)there is your tinkertranny overkeking platform you can fuck with this all day and get actual returns for the OC and then throw it all away when it melts because its only 10-15yo
>>108697019>Want to control the ram timings? Ok sure.you can still do this today and this is the only place where performance can be gained on modern systems anymore
>>108697943>I can't figure out what chipset or manufacturer it hashttps://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/full-yes-intel-82430fxMy tried and true "reverse image search" methods have completely shit the bed on this one because WHO TF is "Full Yes"
>>108696516Get a cf card or sd card to ide adapter. You can get a bracket and mount it at the back, allowing you to create multiple os version, copy files on a modern pc and easily create backups. >>108696549You probably think a bussy is the same thing as a female pussy.
I've been slowly accumulating shiny chips. Somewhere in storage I also have an old 286 era board with gold cap ram chips. Apparently those are pretty rare? or at least I can't find any similar photos online
>>108696516compact flash to IDE card and XT-IDE seems to be the way everyone does it
>>108696516There's no practical reason to make this build because you can just emulate the entire thing with x86box, which is way the fuck more convenient. Unless you have some super rare poorly documented card that some games have very specific support for, there's just no point to this.
>>108696516recap it
>>108697420The docket 462 Geodes are pretty nice chips since you can use a modern power supply with them. Socket 462 draws all of its power from the 5V rail which is weak on modern power supplies.
>>108696516>Sata SSDStartech ide adapter, the little red PCB one. Just be aware that old systems aren't gonna support TRIM and at the age of the one in OP probably not gonna support anything bigger than 32gb
>>108698653turns out I was remembering wrong, it's actually an even older XT board with an 8088 cpu
>>108697969>why does this look ai generated?it's depth of field. we're so used to phone photos with ~25mm focal lenght that everything coming out of traditional camera at ~50mm looks off now.
>>108699236>Socket 462 draws all of its power from the 5V rail which is weak on modern power supplies.Still enough for not overclocking also all the good boards have the EPS 4 pin already.
>>108699826That's adorable.
>>108699826that is some pretty packaging, ceramics, golden caps...
>>108696789Vendor should take care of that. I ordered Octane from Germany and I don't even remember it was probably some business but the unit came inside of a wooden crate. That was ages ago though.
>>108698546>10-15yo>modern
>>108698967>>108697833
>>108701137having just rebuilt a socket 7 system last week, if you can't figure out a LAN then I can guarantee you won't have fun getting a socket 7 system working.
>>108699824RLowe's patches fix that for 95/98 and have been freely available since he passed.XP has an application called SSD Tool I think that you can manually TRIM with
>>108701226 (Me)And also a RAID card probably. I forgot I run some Promise thing in mine for IDE 133
>>108701192I'm not OP, and nothing in OP's post mentions not being able to get a LAN working
After spending a lot of time with retro hardware I am convinced that pic related is the most overrated CPU of all time
>>108701441i had one and it was unstable, because the mobo's caps were leaking and bloated
>>108698611I'm not op and I was talking about the IDE to SATA adapter I use, not motherboard.
>>108698115>I have/had drives that had nonstop access for 4+ years and were running the same speed as brand new drives of the same typeTheir sequential read write times my be the same, but whhat are their random read and write times like?>you'd still get cockblocked by old browsers not being compatible with newer versions of SSL/TLS.Retrozilla has modern TLS, NewMoon has builds for IA32 and could be run through KernelEx, and then there's text based browsers like Links that can be built for 9x or even DOS.Plus I would probably just use the internet connection for multiplayer games.>then you can just fucking move the retro machine to the same room as your desktop.I don't have space for that. I've already not got an inch of counter space to spare in here as is because of the two computers I've got in here as it.
>>108700964I meant getting murdered by shipping cost. How do you get stuff without paying $70 or more in shipping. Its obscene.
>>108701192You really need to stop assuming every post that replies to you is the same person, you're talking to three different people.
>>108696516>Is there a way to connect a SATA SSD to this thing? Like maybe a PCI SATA RAID controller that someone has written a retro driver for?maybe but most people just get a CF card adapter>What about PCI USB cards with retro OS support?pci usb cards are actually a contemporary thing. usb came out in 1996. naturally you may need to hunt for an old one depending on what os you're aiming for
>>108703202I only see that sort of cost for big overseas items like cases
>>108703639I get that for shipping cases domestically. And adding up the shipping on individual components its even more. Its cheaper to buy a whole computer and just pay a single $100 shipping fee than to pay $70 for a case and $10-$15 component.
>>108703686*10-15 per component
>>108696516Install win98
PowerBook G3 owner here.What can I even do with this thing? I don’t even have the piano model so no FireWire for me, only scsi. I installed macOS 9 on it, and I can connect it to the internet using sharing via the Ethernet port from my Mac Mini.
>>108696914I can't speak for America, buy in EU they banned or limited plenty of synyhetic flour addictives and suddenly everybody started adding Vitamins C and E to everything as they are good antioxidants.
>>108703189>Their sequential read write times my be the same, but whhat are their random read and write times like?Who cares? They are HDDs. If you use them for random r/w you are doing something VERY wrong.>Retrozilla has modern TLS, NewMoon has builds for IA32 and could be run through KernelEx, and then there's text based browsers like Links that can be built for 9x or even DOS.Yeah and they'd take 1000 years to render modern javascript on any webpage, or won't even work at all because javascript builds the actual webpage.>disable javascriptalmost all major modern websites won't work then.>Plus I would probably just use the internet connection for multiplayer games.There's no game that still has players online, that would benefit from being run in a retro rig.>I don't have space for that.stop living in a pod.
>>108704970Those browsers are more than enough to visit the kinds of pages you'd visit on an 9x machine
>>108706004like 4chan
>>108703980You could use Classilla to browse the web, play Classicube on it, play classic Mac games like Marathon. could use some old Mac productivity software for writing or music production
>>108704970>If you use them for random r/w you are doing something VERY wrong.I use an HDD as a boot drive. It works just fine as long as I'm not using a clapped out datacenter drive.>Yeah and they'd take 1000 years to render modern javascript on any webpageYou're not gonna be rendering javascript on Links at all, its text based. You use it to browse bulletin boards and plaintext sites. Anyways, NewMoon renders basically anything except those few extra shitty sites that demand you use chrome specifically. Though it probably would run like shit on a socket 7 sytem. Retrozilla would run fine though, and you can use frogfind to get plaintext versions of non plaintext webpages.>almost all major modern websites won't work then.frogfind would make them work. Though you really don't need most of those. Wikipedia and a basic search engine are all I'd really need for that kind of system.>There's no game that still has players online, that would benefit from being run in a retro rig.People still play Quake and Half Life.
>>108706973>People still play Quake and Half Life.And how would those benefit from being run on OPs pentium 1 from 1996? I remind you that this machine would play it at 30fps in 320x200 at best.>I use an HDD as a boot drive. It works just fine as long as I'm not using a clapped out datacenter drive.By 2014 (the date you mentioned) you should have been using SSDs as boot drives, not used server drives.
>>108703158So? I just googled the text next to the chipset and it was the first result. OP sounds like a fucking idiot who needs spoonfeeding all things considered. Might as well share the information, like I give a shit if you're opie or not. I'll continue sperging.It's an Intel chipset and they're mostly all good. I think I heard one of the earlier Pentium 1 chipsets had bugs and performed like shit, not sure on specifics so can't say if that board has it or not.I wrote all that shit yesterday and completely forgot
>>108707579the text marinating overnight in the reply window was not enough for me to realize in fact it is about an IDE to SATA chipsetI may be fucking retarded but who's gonna read all that redditspaced shit
>>108707490>I remind you that this machine would play it at 30fps in 320x200 at best.depends if op can find a voodoo cardyou aren't playing half-life on a P100 without a voodoo card that's for sure. oldest machine i've run half-life on was an AMD K6-2 300, and i can tell you without a 3D accelerator it was barely playable
>>108707490>And how would those benefit from being run on OPs pentium 1 from 1996?could stick one of those $5 aliexpress rage xl cards in there and play at 640x480>not used server drives.I don't use used server drives anymore, I already said that.
>>108707599You should consider adderall. I hear it helps with attention deficit.
>>108707794>become a crackheadMiss me with that shit nigger
>>108707759>oldest machine i've run half-life on was an AMD K6-2 300, and i can tell you without a 3D accelerator it was barely playableThat's because the k6-2 was a cheap turd with barely useable floating point performance. In floating point heavy stuff, a Celeron 300 was 3-4x faster or even more, going from what I remember from the era (I had a celeron 333 and a k6-2 500). And by the time the K6-2 300 was on the market, you could barely get any card that wasn't a 3d accelerator, and most of the garbage decelerator cards like the Midas 3, AT3D or i740 were long by then. At worst you'd be stuck with the Trident Blade3D or an S3.And, again, even if he put a voodoo in it, he'd have 0 advantage over running Quake natively on a modern machine, or even a $50 SBC, or even through x86box emulating a pentium 166 + voodoo.
