what do you think about Devuan Excalibur 6, /g/?is it worth switching to?anyone here using it (or used it before) would you recommend it?
>>108700565lol. Devuan doesn't even boot on my laptop. Debian 12 and 13 both do.
>>108700576Skill issue
>>108700587>We literally broke Debian but it's somehow the user's faultAh, the finest copium
>>108700595it works on my machine
>>108700613Yeah and some people daily drive OpenBSD. What's your point lol
>>108700565why do these alt distros have the shittiest of names?
>>108700618I use it because I prefer my OS to be a set of tools, not a black box. I’m running the same Trixie/Stable packages you are, just with more control over my PID 1. If it works on my machine, it works. If you find lack of systemd automation as 'difficult' as OpenBSD, that’s more of a reflection on you than the distro.
>>108700649I'm fine with non-systemd. I just find Devuan to be an amateur OS.
>>108700656>I'm fine with non-systemd. I just find Devuan to be an amateur OS.Amateur? They maintain their own build wrapper (Amprolla) to merge upstream Debian repositories while stripping hard dependencies in real time. That’s more engineering than 90% of the 'pro' distros that just slap a theme on Arch or Ubuntu. If you're 'fine with non-systemd,' what's your 'professional' alternative? Void? Gentoo?
>>108700668I don't have a professional non-systemd alternative. I use systemd distros.>Amateur?>>108700668Besides the whole doesn't-boot thing, I talked to one of the Devuan devs many years ago when the project was new and had just released Jessie. The dev admitted that they make changes to the stable branch without passing them through unstable/testing like Debian does. I found that bizarre.
>>108700680So your entire argument is based on a conversation from 2015 and 'it doesn't boot' even though I literally just told you it works fine on my hardware.Devuan has been around for a decade; they’ve long since refined their CI/CD and mirroring process. They don't need a massive unstable/testing branch because they aren't rebuilding the OS they're pulling already tested binaries from Debian and only modifying the init dependent shims.It’s funny that you call a distro 'amateur' based on a decade old 'trust me bro' story while admitting you don't even use the tech you're critiquing. Stick to your binary logs, man.
>>108700692I'm glad it works fine for you. Maybe I'd be using it too if the installer booted!
>>108700565It's just Debian Stable, but easier configurable (at least for us who rode crunchbang wave 15 years ago)
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>>108700742Yes. A Devuan Developer skill issue.
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>>108700759Imagine being proud of a project that takes a working OS and ruins it
>>108700774>being this butthurt because linux distro don't use systemdHello, Lennart
>>108700784>dying on the Devuan hilllol
>>108700774You sound so tech illiterate you probably can't even install a basic distro. Thousands of people use Devuan
>>108700801>There's literally **looks around room** thousands of us!rofl
I think I am ready to wield the Excalibur and ditch the jeeted trixie stick.
>>108700752Skill issue Alert!
>>108700834I remember seeing this in the desktop thread the other day. Looks super comfy and aesthetic, ngl. Unfortunately, the underlying OS is flaming dogshit. But seriously, how do you take Debian 13 and somehow break boot for a segment of your userbase when your only job was to revert PID1 to sysvinit?
>>108700852nope this is my dailydrive and as i can see u didn't even try it so how the fuck are you judging smth u never tried u sound pathetic asf lol
>>108700863>downloads and boots devuan excalibur iso>os hangs on boot>"nooo, you didn't even try it!"wtf?
>>108700868Lol, you should watch more tiktok videos on "how to install linux on my frutiger nostalgia box"
>>108700885k
>>108700868>the underlying OS is flaming dogshitYou’re simply proving my point. You didn’t try the OS. you had a problem while installing it, which never happened to me. I have Devuan on my PC and two ThinkPads. you are just DUMB (:
>>108700565Do they build their own deb packages to remove hard systemd/wayland dependencies? How successful are they?
>>108700576i remember trying to install it, it shit the bed. i was not surprised by the subpar work.
>>108700565I never left OG Debian and Devuan is where its spirit resides, i switched to it seamlessly with Debian Jessie at its end support. However for the first time in almost 18 years i'm forced to look around for a distrohoop, if Suthri manages to incorporate the Debian foundation in 'murica plus flood it with jeets while draining its founds on mongoloid DEI bullshits (much like the mozilla foundation) Debian will slowly die and Devuan will follow as consequence. It's fucking grim, but that's where we're at.
>>108700965>I accidentally removed my USB flash drive.
>>108700965This error happens on my computer too, but only on the one usb port, other 3 works fine, but this one is weird
>>108700565Does it support HDR?
>>108700987debian, fedora, void and even artix booted fine on that same stick.
>>108701001yes
>>108700965Write the ISO in DD mode.in the live boot menu, edit the Install line and put vga=934 nofb video=vesafb:off video=efifb:off before nomodeset
vga=934 nofb video=vesafb:off video=efifb:off
>>108701001I know autism can be a pain, but asking this in almost every thread is retarded
>>108700576>>108700618>Tranny nigger subhuman claims that Devuan does not work.>Multiple people tell him that it works on their computers and probably he did something wrong.>NOOOOO, I CANNOT BE WRONG!!!Kill yourself right now, you're too dumb for this "life" thing.
>>108700565The words Dunovo and Devuan look too much alike. This makes reading some things in a4chan seem a bit random until I realize.Hopefully one of them renames itself or goes away, thus ending the confusion.
>>108700801The Devuan installer worked on my laptop but not my computer so I went for FreeBSD there instead.
>>108700984For the time being, wait. Right now we don't know if she will manage to compromise the whole project. I don't want to abandon a rock solid OS (Debian and Devuan) due to a bullshit election. After all, Debian is the bedrock of countless projects, it's unlikely that Mint, Ubuntu, Kali and many more will let it go to shit without doing anything.
>>108701272rest assured. if a single person could ruin a project this big, old and reliable, it would have happened a long time ago.
>>108701272Yes i'm not switching overnight because of the election alone, i'm still using Devuan on my machines but, at the same time, i'm evaluating contingency plans.
>>108700565I just revived a 2011 acer laptop with it, everything works as expected, and it doesn't take hours to boot like a systemd distro or windows would. I'll be installing it on my main PC tomorrow.
>>108701155we all see through your samefagging :)
>>108701296poettering succeeded, which is why Devuan exists in the first place
I've been using it since before the recent Debian controversy.It's nice, fixed my distrohopping :D
The problem with a systemd-less fork like devuan is that majority of core/package development is done in debian and is geared for debian/systemd. Best to use a distro that is systemd-less by default.
>>108702781well yeah, systemd won and debian absorbed it, evolved and moved on with its mission, while devuan stayed behind to guard a grave.>>108702865this is the problem with all prostestware, they feed on their master work while activity denying it, they cant create good or envolve, to evolve would be to change, and to change might mean accidentally moving closer to their "enemy".
>>108703008that's the beauty of FOSS, people can step up to be "grave keepers" instead of being forcibly pushed into enshittification like how M$ has always done things since XP.
>>108701107Get with the times, grandpa. HDR is basically obligatory unless you're poor and have a monitor that doesn't support it.
As with most Debian derivatives, just fucking use Debian, you tryhard shit.
>>108703991beauty? thats only anti-ness, thats what moves them. without debian to provide the upstream packages and systemd to provide the enemy, devuan has no content, no vision and no accomplishments.
>>108704110devuan and artix living rent free in your head is accomplishment enough alredy :)
>>108702865>Best to use a distro that is systemd-less by default.what would that be?
>>108700565My favourite OS. I just love it. Debian as it should be. Anons should give it a shot
Downloading updates is slow as fuck. For some reason it likes to download from random servers in australia or germany when I'm in the UK.
>>108704159I use Guix.
>they cant deny it
>>108704110>debian to provide the upstream packages*millions of devs globally creating and maintaining the thousands of individual programs that make up a distro, so that Debian can slap its stamp on them and hire an Indian no-code woman ceo.Ftfy
Bros i want to migrate an old Debian server to Devuan but it is balls deep into systemd-networkd. What do i switch to? NetworkManager? Netplan? I dont want to go back to the up/down scripts.
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>>108700576I had a similar issue happen. I just installed an older version of Devuan (whatever the Debian 12 equivalent is) and upgraded from there. That worked for me. I do agree that they should fix whatever the issue is if they want more adoption.
how is runit on devuan, anyone use that?
>>108705320Ok deepshittar
>>108705288>I dont want to go back to the up/down scripts.But isn't that the whole purpose of the init "freedom" movement? Old good new bad and worse is better.
>>108700668>They maintain their own build wrapper (Amprolla) to merge upstream Debian repositories while stripping hard dependencies in real time.>That’s more engineering than 90% of the 'pro' distrosKek it's child's play to grep through the Debian build recipes and run sed 's/systemd//g'
sed 's/systemd//g'
>>108705757kek devuan devs exposed as script kids and amateur!
>>108705288>but it is balls deep into systemd-networkd.>What do i switch to?you don't hope this helps
>>108705799Indeed, always amusing to see Devuan kiddies acting like they're not leeching off Debian's hard work when all they do is mangle an already working OS, apparently they still don't have unstable and testing branch eitherLol, lmao even
>>108700576The netinstaller and minimal installer were working few months ago, but for some reason the devuan maintainers broke the fucking thing and I got a similar screen to >>108700965 when I tried installing devuan on a different machine last month, the live ISO installer still works however, use that to install devuan instead. (Protip: use debootstrap from the live installer to install devuan)t. Been using Devuan for about 6 months now
>>108705812Debian itself is a collection of packages by non debian developers helps together by scripts.Linux kernelSystemd initGrub boot managerLibre officeFirefoxGnu toolsVarious terminalsVarious desktop environmentsVarious display managersVarious language development and runtime environmentsThey're not an OS. They literally make nothing but a logo and a build script. They're a collection of other people's work stacked neatly. Thus boasts is so fucking retarded it hurts.
>>108705812>apparently they still don't have unstable and testing branch eitherwhy would you want this?
>>108705920He's a mac user larping as someone who knows how to change directories.
>>108705920>trust me bro every change i make is totally stable and 100% production readyKek imagine trusting these retards enough to use their OS, looking at this thread apparently they their own installer
>>108705812forget about the branches, i say, the work is so subpar that they cant even make a proper bootable iso (>>108700965).>>108705913debian isn't just a collection of software, it is a social contract. when ian founded it, he didn't define it against another distro; he defined it through the debian free software guidelines (dfsg). even if you stripped away all the upstream software, you would still be left with several million lines of code written specifically by debian developers to make the system function.
>>108706059>it is a social contractConsider it broken while foregoing mailing lists for 25 minute Microsoft teams sessions with the new boss and watching the budget being blown on shipping Indians to the US.
>>108705812>apparently they still don't have unstable and testing branch eithertesting = testingunstable = ceres
>>108700565I use MX Linux with sysvinit (and systemd purged). Extremely comfy. While I will probably never have a need to install Devuan on anything, I do have great respect for it, and I gave them my blessing on day one. Mad props yo.t. The most important member of this community.
>>108700565I'd use Devuan if it let me use systemd. I like systemd but I also don't want to be locked into it in case something better than it comes around; Devuan already patches out systemd hard dependencies from packages, but it also blacklists systemd entirely.
>>108706983devuan blacklisted systemd because it grows like cancerif you want the option to switch then use gentoo
>>108700965Had the same error, went away after using dd and a "real" usb-stick instead of a sata-ssd + usb adapter.
>>108707121SD card + USB adapter works great, tooand yes, use dd to write it to the device, shit like ventoy isn't necessary nor desirable
>>108705288nice dubsAlso yes you would use NetworkManager. It should be able to cover the same ground as systemd-networkd and then you use resolvconf instead of systemd-resolved. Depending on how deep your balls are in it shouldn't take more than a few hours unless something fucks up. Probably best to use nmcli and have your systemd init files handy.
>>108706983Switching away from systemd to a different init is such a massive undertaking that its easier to just reinstall your distro. That's why it's annoying and no one offers systemd or something else (unless you build from somewhat from scratch like gentoo). It's already a pain to switch in general.
>>108707220it's easy >>108707239
>>108700965>>108700565>It doesn't work on Ventoy so the OS doesn't work ok!This is a ventoy zoomer thread. Ya, ventoy messes up, it sucks. You have to instealld devuan using a traditional method like DD or if you are on linux use "impression" as a flatpak.
>>108707617ventoy is malware btw
>>108706983why would they do that? devuan’s value is derived entirely from the absence of a specific component (systemd). they have nothing else to offer.
>>108708045you can select from 3 other inits, that's not nothing
