I'm not a boomer, but I think some techs shouldn't advance and we should stay stagnant, or perhaps even regress in some factors.What do you think?
>>108701448let me guess, you also think manually shifting gears is better?
>>108701448>I think some techs shouldn't advanceWhat tech are you talking about?
>>108701872This CONFOUNDS and CONFUSES Americans, making them SHIT their pants.
Purely electric cars are retarded. Hybrid drive is the only "upgrade" that even makes sense.
>>108701872Yes, because no manual driver has ever used his phone while driving.
>>108701448What the fuck is the "Other" that's been growing in FranceAre they making nuclear powered cars or something
>>108703053>okay who's using "other">...France
>>108701448why ethanol is only popular in brazil?
>>108703308that's where they grow whatever they use to make ethanol
>>108703308tons of agricultural land, relatively little crude oil. Makes sense for them.
>>108703053gas. not gasoline, gas.>>108703308sugar cane
>>108703361>gasAs in LNG? Or gasified NG? That sounds incredibly impractical. Especially if like 2% of vehicles use it, how is there even infrastructure for it?It's like those hydrogen cars which could work on paper but are utterly impractical in reality.
subsidies and incentives tantamount to bribery are the only reasons for their adoptionNorway basically said no tax if you buy an EV. Their tax revenue plummeted. So of course they are amending that now adding more taxes to them. UK is adding a pay per mile tax to all EVs. VW have scaled back their EV production. Don't worry though this ins't making ICE cars cheaper in comparison. They are still cooking up more charges for them too.
>>108703402>I don't want a car elon can turn off or geolockI also fucking wish these considerations were independent.I live in city suburbs, 95%+ of my driving is in the city and not on cross country highways, I also have my own driveway so I could easily charge it overnight. I'm in europe where fuel is expensive as shit and electricity is also not cheap but still cheaper and we get solar subsidies too so I can make mine even cheaper.But every time EVs are marketed it's always "look how many remote controlled, always-online features you can get in your car!" which is insanely offputting.This and the low resale value (I am of the mentality that buying a brand new car is a waste of money) are basically the only reasons why I still don't have an EV.
>>108703392LNG. A lot of taxis had petrol to LNG hybrid conversions in eastern euro before Prius became a thing. It was common for gas stations to have an LNG filling point too. It's not very surprising since virtually all gas stoves ran from tanks.
>>108703430>UK is adding a pay per mile tax to all EVsLmao what? I live here and I haven't heard of that yet. That sounds insane, cars have never had pay per mile charges, even ICEs.
>>108703454>what are excise taxes on gasoline/dieselretard
>>108702700Don't you have cruise control?
>>108703454
>>108703462Okay but by that logic electricity is already taxed too>>108703470Yeah this is just weird. Especially since you can then buy a plug-in hybrid and just not use petrol
>>108703053LPG. Just a handful of models have LPG but they are top sellers. France even has a tri-carburation model nowadays (gas+LPG+hybrid in a single vehicle with ridiculous 1200km range).
>>108703483EV charge is 3p per mile hybrid is 1.5p
>>108701872Isn't it though? Doesn't any actual high level driving nearly require manual shifting to actually perform optimally?
>>108703483>electricity is already taxedWith VAT or whatever, not with excise. It's less straightforward to allot electricity taxes to fixing roads. The fair approach would be to shimmy the tax over to tires, but that probably increase their price by 100 times and create... other problems.
>>108703444>I am of the mentality that buying a brand new car is a waste of moneyIf you drive shitboxes, why not just get a second hand leaf or zoe then?
>>108703524>It's less straightforward to allot electricity taxes to fixing roads.There is LITERALLY a "road tax" if that's all they need it for. You pay it anually for every car for it to be legal on public roads.
>>108703538It's not fair in a sense that it's not proportional to range traveled.
>>108701448okay brazil you win this one
>>108703522As far as I know, really high level driving like racecars and formula 1 mostly uses paddles. This is basically an automatic gearbox with buttons the driver can press to control it; the driver has control but is not actually shifting the gears manually. The overwhelming majority of automatics come with driver overrides, because even normal driving sometimes needs it e.g. for engine braking on mountain roads, to accelerate ASAP for overtaking, etc., so it's not exclusive to racecars; it's basically just normal automatic.I don't know about things like rally racing, though. I wouldn't be surprised if it was also automatic and paddle/button based, but maybe stick control has some kind of advantage when doing extreme offroad racing.
>>108703486>>108703053Also diesel?>>108703308Kickbacks to the sugar industry, lowering reliance on oil imports, environmental measures. Also ethanol is usually cheaper than gas.
>>108703535Because the battery is going to be half dead, and also the car is 100% software controlled and I don't know how long the software is going to update. Would you buy a secondhand chink android phone for example? They're basically worthless.>leafI heard something about nissan specifically having atrocious software support lifecycles.I have a bimmer that's well over a decade old by now, and it has out of support "software" features like remote find-my-car, in-car satnav, whatever, that's no longer updated and no longer works. I don't need to use them and the rest of the car works perfectly fine and will continue to work fine until it suffers a catastrophical mechanical breakdown, which might be another decade or more away because it's not having any problems yet and hasn't had any in its service history.If there's an actual market for EVs that are NOT online, do NOT depend on manufacturer software support OR have a manufacturer guarantee for 15+ years of support, then well the battery is still an issue. But I will at least consider one especially since batteries are at least getting better over time so maybe in 5-10 years, chink used EVs will still have decent batteries left in them.
>>108703597>Also diesel?Diesel is ICEThat being said Ethanol and LNG are also ICE. Diesel is clearly included in ICE (it would be a very visible category otherwise) so I don't know their logic here. I guess diesel is "normal" crude oil based fuel while ethanol and LNG are "different" and so need to be highlighted (but they should really have named it "oil-based fuels" or something then)
>>108703600NTA but>EV batteriesE-EU save me!
I think any country that doesn't produce it's own oil in abundance would be full retard not to jump on the EV train.
>>108703600>updateNever update, problem solved.
>>108702700I have
>>108703402>>108703430How about we take away subsidies for EVERYBODY? Can instead, give the money to Israel directly?
>>108703566rally cars don't use paddles WRC and teams agreed they cost too much to develop they don't have F1 money
>>108703868>WRC and teams agreed they cost too much to develop they don't have F1 moneyLmao but that's fair. I'm guessing the average shitbox automatic shift buttons are probably dogshit compared to an F1's or generally sports car's paddle electronics, whereas a good old stick shift is going to be good no matter what.
>>108701448No technology is not inevitable, actually we can cause a new dark age as long as we turn the entire world into 80 IQ mystery meat.
>>108701872It's better>>108701448Some but your pic Is not related? Nothing wrong about EVs
>>108702700Please visit Europe, you'd be suprised how many people use their phone while driving. I doubt the car being a manual makes any meaningful difference.
>>108704906>Please visit EuropeBut I already live in Pakistan.
>>108702638why is first gear not top right?
>>108704280this, EVChuds WON, ICEssies lost :(
>>108701448But norway has more ice than any of these places why do they go for electric instead
>>108705970Turns out that if infra is there cold does not matter. Also, oil money and low population means you can subsidize anything into existence.
>>108701448the fuck is happening in Norway?did the ban ICE or are the subsidizing 90% of the cost of electric vehicle?
>>108707299Norwegians are stinking rich.
>>108705820Why would it be, are you arabic?
>>108707299IIRC it's both: massive subsidies for EV and massive taxation and penalties for ICE.>>108707098It does matter in that cars still get only a portion of the range advertised in normal markets and use a ton more electricity overall. Infra means you likely won't get stranded on a road trip if there are charging stations as frequently as gas stations, but you'll still be using way more electricity and charging way more often than someone in a non-northern country.Whether it's more efficient than ICE or not depends on the relative local prices of electricity and oil, but it definitely skews the balance against EV. The country naturally being an oil exporter while not having much nuclear power (or access to solar either, nor even shit like geothermal) means Norway is also relatively better positioned to fuel its ICEs and poorly positioned to provide cheap electricity to EVs.In short it's just political wankery because they decided to be "green".
>>108703470Somewhat understandable.Most of the road maintenance costs come out of petrol taxes, so if you aren't selling petrol the money for maintaining the roads has to some from somewhere.The cars being electric doesn't reduce the wear on the roads.
>>108707299>>108707331Norwegians are globohomo cvckolds
>>108701448China is unironically switching back to ICE engine production. The recent beijing auto show basically revealed their direction. They're now building v6, v8 and more proletarian i4 gasoline engines after acquiring western know how for decades. Now we're stuck with importing chink EVs because they are cheaper and better than your average western EV and very soon when the full electro fad ends we will also be stuck with importing chink ICE cars because they won't have to deal with the insane amount of greenwashing normatives that cucks eurozone manufacturers.
>>108707528Norway also exports lots of electricity. They have fucktons of hydroelectric generation
>>108707528>Whether it's more efficient than ICE or not depends on the relative local prices of electricity and oil,BEVs will always be more efficient than ICE. ICE will always produce tons of waste heat. Even in freezing conditions BEVs have the advantage of heat pumps.
>>108707832Pretty much. We've had ICE got over a century. We've squeezed all the efficiency out of gasoline and engines as much as we could. We're not going to suddenly get another mile-per-gallon out of the most fuel efficient car out there.But batteries is still a growing tech. Over the past decade, it's become much cheaper, charges faster, and range has increased.
>>108708168Can i get a battery powered car that isnt full of digital trash like screens and remote control and shit?like only hook the battery directly to the engine and thats it
>>108708211You're going to have to rely on the west to make it. In China they want "everything" in a car, even a fucking toaster. I don't care for tech gadgets either. If you could make a $20k EV with 2 4K TVs, 6 different displays, ventilated and massaging seats, heated steering wheels, a mini fridge, and a theater surround sound system, then surely you can make a $15k EV without all that shit.I want a cheap, CHEAP EV. With no tech gadgets shit. I just need something to drive me to where I want to go. Similar to how I just need a phone that can call and text, not a $2000 piece of shit that can do things worse than I could do better and cheaper elsewhere.
>>108701448Why do so many people buy EVs in Norway when it is so cold that the range is cut in half? Is it really just because of the government subsidies
>>108708211>>108708239Also, this is the cheapest western no nonsense EV.A minimalist EV that's $27 with the least options without any subsidies.240km.
>>108701448>spend a bunch of money on solar panels + chinkoid lifepo4 batteries>literally free energy>driving a car is now free, and since electrics are dead simple nothing really breaksyou'd think the sisterfucking rednecks would be all over the "it literally doesn't matter what the gubmint says, I'm wholly independent" aspect of it, instead they fucking loathe the very concept of it
>>108707832>>108708168Efficiency per joule is not the same thing as efficiency per dollar, was my point.
>>108708211>>108708239To be fair heated ventilated massaging seats, heated steering wheel and 4k entertainment display for passengers are whatever, if I can get a $20k car with all of those I won't mind. IMO it's good that these """"premium features"""" that traditionally western cars only added to their premium models as extremely overpriced addons are becoming the norm on normal low-price models.Grabbing a cold steering wheel in the winter is genuinely annoying. 360/365 days here it's not cold enough to wear gloves but then grabbing plastic sitting at 5*C is genuinely unpleasant.BUT, I would be fine with it, IF AND ONLY IF it can all work offline and does not rely on manufacturer software/firmware updates. And this is where I don't trust china, they love their fucking botnet surveillance everything. And I don't trust the west either, they don't care about surveillance anything so companies will shove it in, and we'll get EVs with no heated anything, no screens no features but exactly as much telemetry and always-online bullshit.Therefore I don't have much hope in general.
>>108708263The same redneck boomers who voted for "bring manufacturing/jobs back" also protested a building of a Chinese battery plant that would bring billions of dollars of investments and thousands of jobs.>the plant will spy on us n shieeeeeYeah, they really want to know what your boomer asses in a dilapidated town with factories moving out and citizens leaving for the past decade are thinking.
>>108708296>IF it can all work offline and does not rely on manufacturer software/firmware updatesyou're antisemitic & subversive & probably a pedophile. the government wants what's best for you, so making sure their citizens behave properly is only natural
>>108708263It actually takes a shitton of electricity, it's pretty hard to charge with solar panels unless you don't drive a lot
>>108708324solar panels are so fucking cheap they might as well be free nowadays, the only real limit is how much space you have - and there's a shitton of empty space where rednecks livebatteries were way more expensive in the past, but now they fall in price year by year. literally no downside to getting a personal solar installation unless you're a city slicker living in a tiny chicken coop or live in some northern shithole like swedistan where you get 20 minutes of sunlight per day
>>108708334>and there's a shitton of empty space where rednecks liveYeah I suppose that's true. If you've got a few acres of land and you can sacrifice a portion to solar, then you can definitely drive for free.I'm guessing historically the low range would've been annoying if you live rurally, especially since the advertised range is almost never for highway driving (since their efficiency drops with speed, unlike ICE). That's definitely getting better now.I also think there aren't really any offroad or truck type EVs or at least that are any popular, so there's a general public perception of EVs as being dinky city slicker cars. This will probably take some time to change (and the cybertruck didn't help with it).
>>108708276In what calculations do you end up with BEV being less cost effective than ICE?Electricity is some 0.75NOK/KWh, even fast charging is 5NOK at the upper limits.Gasoline costs over 20NOK/l.
>>108708334>the only real limit is how much space you have - and there's a shitton of empty space where rednecks livePut solar panels over parking spaces. Not only will the help charge the parked cars, the added shade and protection benefits even combustion cars.
>>108709162>In what calculationsIt came to me in a dream
>>108703320We grow an insane amount of corn for ethanol in the US but we don't have fully ethanol fueled vehicles.
>>108709162He's an American who lives next to 4 data centers surrounding him, where he only gets 4 hours of electricity a day, and the water is 10 worse than what Flint's is. So he pays 500% more for gasoline than electricity.
>>108701448Don't care, still driving my 1990 Corolla AWD.
>>108701448>ethanol painted as worse than gasKek.>works on ICE engines with minimal adjustments>doesn't depend on ME oil>renewable, home grownWhat is the down side?>doesn't force new is better paradigm, because you need an electric car with remote killswitch instead of something any old mechanic can fix and any retard with a backyard alembic can make fuel, because you just need, okay?
>nations smaller than some US cities with draconian governments that outlawed ice vehicles are buying ev slopyou don't saywonder how many coal burning power plants they had to open to support that, not to mention landfills for dead batteries
>>108701448i hope putin glass the entirety of the eu
>>108709533Still produces pollution at the tailpipe.
>>108709551>battery>landfillNigger, the most expensive parts of an EV is its battery. 99% of the battery is recycled, because there's so many expensive minerals inside them, especially if your battery is NMC. You're fucking retarded if you think they'd just chuck out an entirely good $10-20k battery.
>>108707597there is not much in west knowledge cast iron block two litra inline four naturally aspirated cheap as can be
>>108710103Most of ICE "innovation" in the west over the last decade is overworking straight 3's while starving them of fuel just for them to drink oil when the emissions tests are finished.
>>108703896>>108703868>>108703566>>108703522Has nothing to do with cost or performance. All limitations in motorsports to gearboxes are for sporting reasons. Meaning they want to keep the cars manual at least in name to make it more driver skill than nerds doing algorithms. It's the same reason why a lot of series ban other driver aids like traction control or anti lock brakes. There is no meaningful cost difference in a sequential qearbox between paddles and a stick.
>>108702685On the contrary, hybrids are retarded as you get the worst of both. Either full ICE or full BEV.
>>108707528>t. it came to me on a dreamPeople in Scandinavia have driven electric cars year round for years and the reality is that cold weather doesn't matter. You lose a bit of range but it doesn't matter. Even then you only need to stop every 3 - 5 hours even on long roadtrips. Sure someone is going to drive that diesel station wagon 1000 miles straight without stopping that the 70 liter fuel tank makes possible. But most people stop every few hours anyway. And that's enough to have basically infinite range on an electric car. They've also found out that they're a lot cheaper than comparable ICE cars.
>>108708324Solar panels are basically free and a normal sized single family home has enough roof area to comfortably charge EVs during the day. Getting a bit of charge during the evenings after work and then full days on weekends is enough to never have to buy electricity to charge your car for any normal usage.
>>108708334Or alternatively 20 minutes of darkness per day in swedistan. It goes both ways.
>>108707528>cars still get only a portion of the range advertisedDidn't ask, don't care. If both origin and destination have charging points range is irrelevant because people don't use it as a gas car. That's what I meant by infra. And what actually matters is how much your ass can handle.>a road tripAh yes, the mythical once in a few years road trip. Face it, only in America you have the retarded arrangements where you drive for four hours every day to work.>you'll still be using way more electricityMost of that electricity will be used for the comfort of squishy humans. Like complaining that you need to heat a house.>Whether it's more efficient than ICE or not depends on the relative local prices of electricity and oilThings uttered by utterly deranged. ICE efficiency is hard capped to 40%. A theoretical limit, a realistic one is even less. Brushless motors are above 85%, and that's not including regen. You are conflating economics with efficiency. And it's easy to make oil look "cheap" if you discount all externalities it causes as "not your problem". Littering is scumbag behavior.
>>108709614The CO2 released there is the same CO2 captured by the plants. Zero net polluton.It is the solution, but they don't want a solution. They want a boogeyman they can point to to push whatever they want.
>>108709533Ethanol sucks because it needs a lot of land, it comes out a lot worse use of area than solar panels. Also petrolheads ree about it as well because it's less energy dense making fuel volume to range look worse.
>>108701448if batteries get better (i.e., more energy density) and high power charging stations (200kW+) become the norm, ICE cars won't even make sense anymore>>108703308brazilian monkeys are retarded and fell for the ethanol fuel memethis >>108703914 is a Thiel bot, btw
>>108708324>It actually takes a shitton of electricity, it's pretty hard to charge with solar panelsI love how people lie in 4chan like it is a sport. meanwhile, you can debunk their bullshit with shit like videos from yt, like this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTdpbFQySE4
>>108710917I don't know if you know this, but that setup alone costs what a used ICE car would, and it requires heavy duty batteries that eventually need to be replaced, never mind the $4,000 solar panels that will also eventually need to be replaced.
>>108710883>if batteries get better (i.e., more energy density) and high power charging stations (200kW+) become the norm, ICE cars won't even make sense anymoreIt already doesn't make any sense. All that already exists. It's just that most major countries don't have the grid or the electricity generation for it. If the major countries didn't fuck around and take 20 years to build a nuclear power plant and upgraded their 50+ year old grids, they would all be driving clean EVs.Imagine if countries didn't spend trillions on war, Israel, or babying third worlders and upgraded their infrastructure.
I still can never get a straight answer to this question, are there any EV brands whose cars work 100% offline and whose software/firmware is guaranteed to still work in 15-20 years (making the battery, and eventually mechanics, the limiting factors)?
>>108710994And gasoline is free!
>>108710994I like how you are now deflecting the argument from>noo shit is HARD!to>costs a lot!!!>I don't know if you know this, but that setup alone costs what a used ICE car wouldI know because I designed my PV system.why are you NOT considering the cost of fuel? lmaoit would cost about the same, and you'd get free energy with such a system whenever the sun shines.>it requires heavy duty batteries that eventually need to be replacedbatteries are $100+/kWh, and you would need a cheap one for a ~6kW system.you'd recover your money in about 5 years, the battery would last 10+ years, the PV panels last 20+.>>108711022>babying third worlders and upgraded their infrastructure.that's funny. america is the one rejecting EVs and trying to go back to coal. meanwhile, 3rd world countries get cheap bleeding edge tech from china.
>>108710651Pollution isn't just CO2, it's NOX, noise, particulates etc.
>>108711064That's one of the benefits of being in the third world. People are too dumb to build/operate nuclear power plants, and their grids are shit. So in comes China with cheap ass solar panels anybody can install on their shacks and cheap ass EVs. So they basically have cheaper electricity/cars than the west.Shitholes went from having rolling blackouts to having none in the span of a couple of years.
>>108711059>are there any EV brands whose cars work 100% offlineyou can find answers to this on youtube, too. at least BYD cars do (though you might have to upgrade your firmware once after buying)>whose software/firmware is guaranteed to still work in 15-20 years (making the battery, and eventually mechanics, the limiting factors)?that's a mystery, but people are still using (and modding) Nissan Leafs, and according to wikipedia, it was first produced in 2010I guess that answers both questions.
>>108711064>batteries are $100+/kWhJust get a BEV with V2H. You can get one with 50kWh battery for $25k and it can double as a car.
>>108711527>You can get one with 50kWh battery for $25kanon.. are you retarded or just pretending?you can get 62kWh (replacement) batteries shipped to your country for $10k: https://vivnevs.com/products/40kwh-50kwh-62kwh-brand-new-ncm-lithium-ion-battery-module-for-leaf-ze1?VariantsId=12730(price doesn't include import taxes)and that's > $100/kWh
We're going to get battery installations made from sodium ion, (heavier than lithium car batteries but who cares, they're stationary), and renewables are cheap. Since both production and storage have been figured out electricity will be permanently relatively cheap, maintaining power lines, installing lines below ground are going to be the highest expense. E-Cars will get neglibible "fuel" prices.The charging infra is getting there, and intercity travel, charging at home or at many rented parking lots are there.We still need high density battery solutions that dont rely on chinese materials, so who knows what the tech for that will be.
>>108701448electric cars should just be a choice, not forced. they are fine for people who live in cuck boxes who drive short trips to work, dinner, and never adventure. then people with lives can just stick to what works for them.
>>108705970>But norway has more ice than any of these places why do they go for electric insteadBecause contrary to what the haters claim EV's are actually great in cold weather.You can pre-heat them from an app so you don't have to freeze your balls off the first 15 minutes of each journey.And they don't have an engine that needs to get up to temperature before working well or get hooked up to a block heater to prevent the coolants from freezing solid.>but muh reduced rangeYou lose 10-15% in extreme cold (-30C), it's a nothingburger.
>>108711661Sodium ion is probably fine for cars as well. It's only 20% worse at energy/mass but will not go supersayan in case of a crash, can handle something like ten times more current (important for charging), can handle more cycles, less sensitive to cold, no stupid 80%-20% charge range games.
>>108710587>Like complaining that you need to heat a house.True and he'll be malding when he learns most Norwegians heat their homes with electricity.
>>108701448>Rich countries and ones with heavy subsidies buy more expensive carsWew, who would've thought...Now let's see all the lawsuits in norway to all EV companies because the cars become unusable for half the year during winter season.
>>108701448You don't have to use technology, but you can only buy what people are selling
>>108712044>Now let's see all the lawsuitsYeah! Let's see them!
>>108701448>France>As much as "other" as "Plug-in hybrid"That's my boy!Funny to see how each country deal with this tech.Also, I can bet that spikes are due to state financing help or stuff like that.
>>108703486Wait you can buy it?I though it was just a technical demonstration!?https://www.renaultgroup.com/magazine/nos-actualites-groupe/moteur-hybride-gpl-et-4x4-deux-innovations-en-premiere-mondiale-pour-dacia/>>108703392Nay, it's not hard.You only have a handful of LNG (called GPL here, "Gas de Pétrol Liquide") stations, but as your engine can run without problems with gas (unleaded gas: SP95 and SP98), you just fill up when you find an LNG station, and use gas else.Also, not show in the graphic because it show new vehicles, but it's not uncommon in France to tweak your car to accept ethanol (E85).It's usually illegal, but also no one checks.Well, except when doing the compulsory control every other year. But you just put a mix with standard gas or bribe the controller.France has become Africa in more ways that population...
>>108712369Interesting. What's the advantage of LNG/GPL compared to petrol?
>>108712407It's like half the price compared to gas.That's it.But you have to understand that here, gas is taxed a bit more than 100%.Yes, more than half the price of gas is taxes here (one litter is about 2€ now. ~$7.56 per gallon).Yeah, we are close to riot. Again.The one that are not already dead or completely burdened by taxes and the cost of living that is.
>>108702700Are you retarded?I shift my gear while shifting my playlist on my phone.git gud nigger.
>>108701448I think your opinion is irrelevant. technology is inevitable and stagnation is suicide. life is competition and failure to compete leads to extinction. if you don't advance, someone else will, they will eek out efficiencies which will compound with each other freeing up resources for further advancement gaining momentum until ultimately anyone who doesn't operate in the same way loses on all fronts, is unable to exert force, which means they can't impose their will, which means any ideals they held are lost. No different than ant-natalists having non-viable populations because they fail to breed their ideas into future generations.EV's are the least of your worries btw, LLMs are fake and gay, but if the AGI technology that wins is independent consciousness first before dramatically altering the human mind with 'co-processors' and shit, then humans will go extinct because all it takes for AI to beat humans is to have no human handlers and that can be achieved with a single person placing a single AGI out of reach of humanity and leaving it alone for a while
>>108701448>Tiny countries that don't require range can transition to electric easierWOH
>>108701872Yes.Now shut up luddite.You know half of those trade vans you see driving around? They have manual transmissions too, they just have a shifter that is operating the manual transmission electronically.
>$6500>250 miles/400kmWould you drive this tiny car?
>>108713772No they don't
>>108701872>imagine driving a car with air conditioning>imagine driving a car with fuel injection>imagine driving a car with CDI ignition>imagine driving a car with electric starter
>>108713791my motorcycle has none of that, faggot.
>>108701448People are going to laugh at you if you don't drive an EV by 2030*.*unless you live in America
>>108714242Singapore is a tiny city state. Owning a car there is a form of self-torture.Electric cars will not see widespread adoption until a major breakthrough in battery technology.
>>108714340>Electric cars will not see widespread adoption until a major breakthrough in battery technology.Which year are you posting from?
>>108714360100% America, or India, as indicated in OP's image.
>>108714363Even for Sirs the battery range should be sufficient. Price is going to be the bigger hurdle for them but Tata and Chinese brands are working on that. The price difference for electricity and gas are enormous in India.
>>108714360>>108714363Batteries are still gimped as fuck after a few hundred cycles, so your 5 year old EV either ends up with a fraction of its autonomy or you have to spend half its cost on a battery replacement.This also means buying a 5 year old used EV is fucking garbage compared to buying a 5 year old normal car that's going to be perfectly functional if it was well serviced.
>>108715020Depends on the chemistry, LFP is better than NMC in that regard, but even NMC is rated for thousands of cycles. They give you a 8-10 year warranty on the battery with a new car.A 5 year old EV is mainly limited due to the significant technological advances since then.
>>108701448>Brazil is ethanolpilledOne sec, have to find my passport and the nearest embassy
>>108701448> dominating> red part of the graphs are combustion enginesthey do not know what dominate means. retardos dismissed.
>>108715483>in some countriesThey mean norway.
