Remember the threads about Japan building 2nm chips? People were wondering how they could do it with barely any investment and jumping from making 30nm+ chips right down to 2nm immediately with no technological leaps.Turned out, they just stole the top documents from TSMC, and will be producing the exact same chips with a year delay.
shoulda given it to a chinese company, japan can't scale production
This isn't TEL's first run either. Contracting them is just asking for it at this point.
>>108706079Manufacturing these chips isn't as hard as you think. The challenge is in the manufacturing process that generates high yield efficiencies. If you're just doing bespoke production for limited internal use there are many countries that can produce high quality chips.TSMC's advantage is being really good at manufacturing in serial with high efficiency.
>>108706141That's a bit vacuous as it's true of all manufacturing. If your volume is outcompeted your everything is outcompeted as volume amortizes non-unit costs entirely and unit costs muchly. Therefore if your industry is bad enough it will cease to exist. See most countries with cars.
>>108706153The point is that the technology is not inaccessible. It just means competing in the consumer marketplace is a problem. The issue with access to leading-edge chips is not about access to the international consumer markets.
>>108706158That depends somewhat on the process node. ASML gets the most attention in the media but there are others that cause big supply constraints for certain parts of the process. You need to be able to out-bid TSMC and Micron who have more in revenue than most countries' GDP. In that sense you're a slave to the broader market regardless.
>>108706116>shoulda given it to a chinese companythey should have given it to themselves?
>>108706079lel that japs did what the chink do
I'm just going to print my own submm chips in my tiny little European factory and you'll just have to stay mad about that
>>108706257I get the shitpost, but you're still retarded, because he obviously meant the nip who stole it and not TSMC, and even if we hypothetically consider a Chinese company giving something to a Chinese company, it only doesn't make sense when there's only a single relevant Chinese company.
>>108706344You could do it easily. According to /g/ayfaggots here, all you need is an investment of an EUV machine and you can just print chips of any size you want. 7nm, 5nm, 3nm, 2nm, even 1nm. All you need is a machine.
>>108706079basedfuck TSMC and taiwanese monopoly now taiwan is irrelevant for strategic defense
>>108706387i have one. how do i get started?
>>108706257formosa is like senkaku islands: rightful nippon clayᛋᛋ BANZAI ᛋᛋ
>stealing from its landno such thing. Chousen and Taiwan are rightful Nipponese clayBANZAI
Intellectual property of this worth should not be contained and exclusive.We should encourage theft of good ideas. Humanity is too mature to act this childish.
>>108706535this so much mother fricking this
>>108706535Imagine that...Running Windows XP compiled from leaked source on modern hardware legally
>>108706116China can just steal it from Japan now
>>108706116It's useless to them. TSMC entire advance tech stack are based on ASML EUV which china doesn't have
>>108706410soon my friendsoon
>>108706079>Remember the threads about Japan building 2nm chips?no>People were wonderingnever happened>Turned out, they just stole the top documents from TSMCwe know. months ago.
>>108706141>TSMC's advantage is being really good at manufacturing in serial with high efficiency.TSMC’s advantage is convincing the world they have an advantage.
>>108706079It's funny how litigious TSMC is when they themselves were poaching Intel employees for like over a decade in the 2000s and beyond. There was also that accusation their top guy was giving Samsung secrets on how to make 14nm, even though Samsung beat them to 14nm tapeout by years and actual testing by hardware sites' controlled tests showed it was as good if not better than TSMC's, and by their own admission in court they were trying to push him out so they took him off 14nm early on which was the entire reason he quit. The Taiwanese courts obviously railroaded the guy and didn't even bother to sue Samsung themselves. Taiwan is just as corrupt as China is. You can take the Chinaman out of China but not the Chinese out of the Chinaman
>>108706079I'm fine with tech secrets being stolen from monopolies so other companies can compete and lower prices.
I would rather have a 14nm chip that will last 50+ years without degradation than a 5 or 3nm chip that is degraded at 5 years.Picrel has zero degradation after 30+ years
>>108706079Fuck nips. fuck chinks. TSMC should implement reverse Nuremberg laws and only hire full-blooded, young Taiwanese employees.
>>108706079cool
>>108709199>Picrel haskill yourself
>>108706628is there by any chance a project to improve upon XP now that it's OSS?
>>108706079As opposed to Taiwan which became chip producer all on it's own without ever copying anything from outside the border of it's island.
