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>>108714664
If they don't let me install the apps I want, I'll throw this smartphone into the ocean and use pic related

>>108714664
will this affect my android 5.1 tablet that hasn't received an update in 7 years?

I remember reading that there was in fact some opt-out procedure, something idiotic-sounding like needing to wait 24h before you can enable arbitrary installs.

>>108714664
Why should I care? I'm not a terrorist.

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>>108714713
you will soon be even though you think you aren't

>>108714720
This is annoying but as long as I can still install software that isn't Google approved I'm happy enough.

>>108714752
for now. you need google play services for that to work

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>>108714664
not my problem

>>108714756
How's your banking app doing? And your online games?~

I don't install google play bloatware

>>108714720
OH NO A FEW MORE STEPS OMFG I'M GOING TO DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Better than the alternative; they could have just told us to fuck off and die like most corporatists.

>>108714800
i only use lightning browser with broken https and a pdf reader

>>108714800
You can bank in your browser you fucking peasant. And who the fuck plays gaymes on their phone? What are you, a woman?

>>108714800
I don't even use banking apps on my unrooted Android. I get paper bank statements in the mail from my credit union every month.

>>108714831
I play wordle when I take my morning shit

>>108714839
Based carbon wasting enjoyer

>>108714840
You're spending too long on the toilet, anon. You're going to fuck up your pelvic floor and you're going to get haemorrhoids. I speak from experience. Do not spend that long on the toilet.

It's fine when google does it

>>108714848
>I hurt myself from pooping
The absolute state of humans.

>>108714664
And they are not a monopoly because...

>Android is just as a locked down as iOS
>but still is filled with signed malware on the play store
HA HA, WORST OF ALL WORLDS.
I'll be over here with my locked garden iOS that has no malware.

>>108714664
Can I just root my phone and use F-Droid or something?
Actually shit mayn, at this rate my next phone might be an iPhone.

>>108714848
I understand
When I shit at work I don't bring my phone, I shit like my ancestors

>>108714800
Anything banking related on a phone that can easily break or get stolen? R U dumb? Man zoomers are something else now.
Also
>Phone gaming
Look at this candy crush saga professional

>>108714852
>i hurt myself too long from sitting on hard plastic reading books or scrolling plebbit/x/4chin
Yes. Sitting your pelvis on a hard surface and extruding your rectum through the hole in said hard surface for too long is bad. Glad you're catching up.

>>108714800
Don't worry about it sweaty

>>108714825
you talk like a battered wife

>>108714720
>dismiss scare screens about coercion
ii thoguht it was jsut google turninng into apple at first but this has gotta be something pushed by governments just like requiring devs to give over ids and doxxing them on the store. because of boomers getting scammed you should see the hoops you have to jump through in my bank app and website now if youre transferring money to someone new you have to fill out a 5 part multi choice questionnaire about it being fraud. if you answer wrong they block the transfer and you have to call the fraud department to get it unblocked, if you get it right ou have to click throguh confirmation screens full of scary text about getting scammed. i hate boomers

>>108714756
are you using gapps? they wont need a system update to enable this blocking it will all be done using play services

>>108714848
Concerns for hemorrhoids aside, it's still unsanitary to use one's smartphone whilst on the shitter (especially considering the fact that hardly anyone regularly sanitizes their phone). This is how we get outbreaks of Norovirus.

>>108714848
If wordle takes you more than 60 seconds you might as well give up

>>108714696
Did you update and least google play service?
I hope you didnt stop this service or cut it off from working in the background, this is a very highly sentitive security entry on your tablett android 5.1 A, you need to update at least this app. Do it now! And make sure it has full access on your tablet android 5.1 A.
Without you are not able to use all comercial application provided to you by the store, you will miss al ot of really cool games and apps for your daily routine!
Even the FBI says to secure your tablet android 5.1 A, you have to update the google play service.
Do not stop the service, do not stop the background activity, do not remove internet access for this app.

>>108714664
That's a problem for dopamine-addicted consoomers. Stop seeing your smartphone as the center of your life and you'll know what I mean. What app is so valuable anyway? NewPipe? Emulators? That's all consoomerist garbage. You have a browser you can use for entertainment; use your phone as an MP3 player. That's all you need.

>>108714664
Only criminals are against this.

>>108714720
the 24h one is the only one that's excessively retarded.

I use android 9 on my phone
Not my problem anon

>>108715001
chink phoens do the same. 24h or more to unlock the bootloader. but you gotta ask their permission first

>>108714987
>use your phone as an MP3 player.
I use iPhone 6s as an music player

What's with the walled garden justification?
The one thing android had for long over iOS was giving people some semblance of freedom. Take it away and it's just iOS but for poor people. You fuckers should fight back, not defend it. Jesus

If I'm going to be app cucked, why wouldn't I buy an iPhone? At least then I'd have blue bubbles.

sick of it

>>108714825
die redditor, die zoomer

If android is open now can't it be forked.

>>108714919
I just went through norovirus. Definitely the most sick I've been in my 36 years on earth.

>>108715062
Google has let aosp languish for some time.

>>108714664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-k_Eg7zXuc

>>108714851
Google says that it can defeat every government and every person on planet earth.
They say you can't burn down our data centers, we'll lock you all out of all your jobs forever if you even try.

>>108715073
>Google
And what about other?

>>108715091
Who is "other?"

>>108715016
>fight back

we can't "fight back" and thats why it is pointless to try it. accept the system and try to find YOUR niche in it. the unabomber tried to "fight back". they put him into jail and now hes dead.

corpos have won. the machine has won.

>>108715126
You can write a very strong worded letter
Jokes aside if you can't fight back, you at least have the choice not to defend the ass fucking, just saying

>>108715055
>zoomer
I wish. Being old sucks.

And what if I never installed anything from the playstore but installed everything from F-Droid?

>>108715194
do you have google play services installed or not
I would recommend uninstalling that garbage while you still can

Your phone should be something you interact with minimally to engage with all the goy shit that society forces on you. Stay off it as much as possible.

>>108714664
>trillion dollar companies should do what I, a penniless neet, want

Samsung users already got used to this sort of cuckening long, long ago. And there are many of them, so they're all fully conditioned and will tell you it's fine.

>>108715062
the problem is the entire infrastructure relies on google play services to prove you are "human". the moment your bank, gov apps and e-commerce apps will reject you because you didn't install an app following the "standard" procedure you are basically done for. you either take the blue pill and become cattle or leave society

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not my problem :-)

>>108714800
>OH NOE I CANT CHECK MY BANK APP EVERY 10 MINUTES
The funny thing is your web browser is also an APP hahaha fucking jeetnigger

>>108714664
Back to flip phones it is. They truly over estimate how much we need them.

The world has gone mad. Is the concept of buying a device and running what you want on it really that hard to grasp? Is everywhere just infested with authoritarians and spineless cucks?

Everything just keeps getting worse forever

>>108714825
>the corpo that could have disabled my phone chose not to do so and that makes them good
Kill yourself. Android has become ios but worse somehow. Unless you're in GOS, it's time to abandon ship. Hopefully the GOS compatible Motorolas make it to the US.

>>108714664
AHAHAHAAHAHA ANOTHER FUCKING MOVEMENT CREATED BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS FUCK ALL ABOUT THE ISSUE JUST FOR USELESS INTERNET POINTS

FUCKING LOSER

>>108715555
>that makes them good
Don't insert words into my mouth you colossal fucking faggot. Sperging out at me isn't going to change the boiling frog exercise google is currently conducting. What are you going to do about Google? Fucking nothing. Just like your life. You'll do fucking nothing and you're an insignificant worm on the underboot of big tech and also the universe.

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>>108714664
Is my phone getting an update?

>>108715288
Correct.

>>108715016
>it's just iOS but for poor people
Correct. Android may have been started by nerdy enthusiasts, but now it is ran by women and faggots who believe what you just said. Google executives wouldnt be seen using their own product because it signals low class.

>>108714855
crdroid + microg and nothing of this bothers you anymore

>>108715292
>it's fine
it is fine, because your phone shouldnt be that important to you in the first place. its like you view it as an extension of yourself and thats not healthy.

>>108715426
my bank only lets me deposit checks over the phone app, not in a web browser. my nearest branch is a six hour drive away so that doesnt work for me. not complaining, i could have a dedicated banking phone if i wanted. kind of like an HM slave if you ever played pokemon

>>108714713
They’ll simply change the definition until you are.

>>108714664
Don't you just have to gut play services to stop this?

>>108715467
>They truly over estimate how much we need them.
Not true. They are correct that the human cattle do need them. They arent surprised that a minority of humans actually arent cattle. They expect that. You dont factor into their plans. The same way a hog farmer isnt bothered that their might be wild boar out in the woods somewhere. He is only concerned with his own livestock.
You become only a problem if you try to "wake up the normies."

>>108714664
I haven't updated my lineageos in months

>>108714664
But that's non-ironically a good thing. It means scammers won't be able to create trojans. They should require reconfirmation every month.

>>108715707
Any current phone is practically a small computer. If you're not treating it as such, you should not pay for it more than what you'd pay for one of those basic flip phones for grandmas, period.
Also current phones are designed for media consumption, otherwise we wouldn't have fuckhuge screens that we used to call "phablets" become the standard and make it very damn difficult to buy anything under 6''. Foldable phones would not even be a consideration at all.
Stop making excuses.

>>108715817
When was the last time you got a trojan on your phone?

>>108715817
I hope it requires a $5.99 subscription every month, because you are cattle

>>108714713
You haven't been judged innocent yet

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>>108715817
>AI just gives them the data instead

>>108714720
>frog boiling in the pot tactic
you just know it won't end here. they will eventually remove the option altogether in the name of "user safety" and it'd be too late to do anything about it then

>>108716120
And what do we do about it? Buy an iPhone? Lmao there's no escape.

>>108716282
remove google play garbage with adb if you don't want to unlock the bootloader

>>108715817
You're a fucking retard, if you are saying it seriously.

>>108714990
Kill yourself faggot.

>>108714664
interesting, i wonder if this will affect my lineageos

>>108714664
My phone doesn't have Google Play services

>>108714720
>no OS update
does this mean my ancient 2016 moto g4 is vulnerable?

>>108714831
we can't do that here in Germoney
all logins require us to use the official banking app to verify the sign-in, aswell as any transaction to another bank-account

>>108716628
don't you have digital ids?

>>108714863
Those banking apps have like twenty password checks. And boomers use them. Zoomers don't have bank accounts.

>>108715126
It's fine. All the smart people are refusing to breed, so in a few generations advanced civilization will no longer be able to support itself, since only idiots will be left. Enjoy this time while you can, it's never gonna be like this again.

>>108714800
My banking app doesn't give a shit about my phone being rooted and the only game I have on my phone is Solitaire lol

>>108714664
Orange plebbit is bootlicking this

>>108714664
Open source mobile system when

>>108716881
Never because if it's not goy approved the major players won't give you their permission to use their system. It's monopoly

>>108714755
If you don't have Google services then they won't be able to block you from installing whatever app you want to begin with.

>>108717210
you might as well have an ubuntu phone at that point. the fact you can't do what you want with your phone isn't the only issue here. soon only certified devices running certified software will be able to do the most basic things like paying for your food or reserving a medical examination. we are moving toward a digital-only world and if you don't want to be left out you will have to do, use and think what they want

>>108717250
you pay for your food with cash or debit card
you reserve your medical appointment on your pc
retard

>>108717266
the fact you aren't capable of seeing what is coming is honestly baffling, maybe you deserve what is going to happen to you after all

>>108715555
>Android has become ios but worse somehow.
No, sideloading on ios is way more annoying.
Unless you use exploits, you have to refresh them every week and you're limited to 3 sideloaded apps. Ios also doesn't have a big open source development community unlike Android which make up most of the sideloaded apps.

>>108716628
Lmao Germany. Dw an immigrant will be along to stab you shortly. Banking apps are the least of your worries

>>108717276
i know exactly what the communists want
i'm not going to install those apps on my phone computer just like i didn't get the vaccine

I've been meaning to dump and export all the apps that I had one tablet to a newer one that seems to not be able to download them anymore.

>>108714664
it seems weird. they really want to be iOS but worse whereas years ago android at least was different

Realistically, what are the workarounds for this? I use a lot of custom apps.

>>108717363
you can delete google play bloatware or follow the instructions here: >>108714720

I'm guessing this will increase the demand for alternative android based OSes? And 3rd party app stores will become more popular?

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>>108714720
24 wait and not install anything but still use the phone?
Or 24 hours without using the phone at all?

>>108716628
>we can't do that here in Germoney
>all logins require us to use the official banking app to verify the sign-in, aswell as any transaction to another bank-account
It's the same shit in my third world shithole
Banks are a cartel and all banking apps here are the same, so changing banks isn't an option. They refuse to work in devices that are rooted or use custom roms.
Some even refuse to run if developer mode is enabled

>>108717657
Seems like the way is rooted device for general usage and some low end device dedicated only for banking

>>108716628
You must be able to use something like a yubikey

>>108714752
How much did google pay you to suck cock?

>>108714664
I'm actually okay with this because hopefully more devs work work on GNU instead of Android. Fuck Google

>>108714720
This is actually wrong - if you install with adb, the 24 hour wait time is skipped. You can install immediately.

>>108718916
About $3.50 per cock sucked to completion. About a dozen more and I can make rent this month.

>>108714664
>will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with Google, signed their contract, paid up, and handed over government ID.
Oh no... so it doesn't make any difference to 99% of people who use the play store and won't give a single fuck about this schizo shit

>>108714720
This amalgamation of dark patterns does not include the fact that you will be asked to confirm that you really really really want to install the unnaproved app
EVERY
SINGLE
TIME
This propably includes updates aswell so if you are not a goyim and use fdroid have fun forgetting auto-update

>You bought an Android phone because Google told you it was open. You could install what you wanted, and that was the deal.
This was a factor in less than 0.1% of Andr*id purchases.
>Google is now rewriting that deal, retroactively, on hardware you already own.
This is a software addition, not a hardware one.
>Malware authors can register. Indie developers and dissidents often can't
Why would a malware author hand over their identity? Peak 'tardation.
>Whistleblowers, journalists, and activists under authoritarian governments will be the first victims. People in domestic abuse situations are next.
They shouldn't be used something compromised by Loogle from the beginning. Also LOL "I'm a heccin battered wife Android Developer!"
>People chose Android because it was different.
People chose Android because they couldn't afford Apple.
>is a race to the bottom and a weak tu quoque argument.
MUH FALLACIES
>Try being a student in sub-Saharan Africa, or a dissident in Myanmar, or a volunteer maintaining a community health app.
No one cares about thirdies.

>https://keepandroidopen.org/open-letter/
>Rossmann Group
>FULU Foundation
>FUTO
all the same person
>The Free Software Foundation (FSF)
Stallmeme Pedo sympathizers
>The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
See previous, also they recently said they left X to defend abortions and minorities on BlueSky and Facebook
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/04/eff-leaving-x
>Ghostery
Cringe datamining extension usurped long ago
>Proton AG
Compromised Email/VPN provider
>The Chaos Computer Club (CCC)
Trans convention that recently commited cybercrime live on stage where a trans activist attacked so called "Tinder for Nazis" dressed as a pink Power Ranger
https://hackread.com/white-supremacist-dating-sites-wiped-okstupid-lol/
>GNOME Foundation
Usecase?

>>108714664
I don't own a cell phone
in-fact, I have never owned a cell phone.

notice all these draconian laws and practices started accelerating after October 7? the age verification shit, the "AI Bubble" kayfabe as excuse to price people out of computing, and shit like this.

>>108714664

YOU FUCKING NIGGERS
THIS IS WHY I ALWAYS TOLD YOU IN SCREAMS
YET YOU NEVER LISTEN
>NO UNLOCKABLE BOOTLOADER, NO BUY
>NO
>UNLOCKABLE
>BOOTLOADER
>NO
>BUY

cuckgle has been castrating android since 2015 and they're only getting bolder. now we're losing the last good things that made android the smart option. i'm so dependent on banking apps i wish my bank wasn't so niggerlicious so i could just say fuck it and switch to lineage. i miss custom roms and sovereign computing why did you let pajeets tell you what to do?

>>108720535
unlockable AND relockable, which sadly only one OEM does.

>>108716628
same in banco estado from chile, it's a hebraic anti-root app and while it's fine itself it just hates running on a sovereign environment. damn i want to nuke silicon valley so hard, we'd be better off without them at this point i swear mobile computing peaked in 2014 with android kitkat and the custom rom scene right on its golden age

i miss cyanogenmod, soulful icons and not having trannies and niggers shoved on my screen all the time

i miss being able to do my work on my custom OS without having to become a second hand citizen because niggle decided to make everything dependent on their services and conveniently leave us out because we won't watch the ads and eat the bugs

>>108714681
TBQFWY I NOW WANT THAT

>>108714904
nope, only retards install gapps

>>108720549
if it was up to me i'd ensure every android device ever came with UEFI and ACPI so we can have relockable protected bootloaders that can load user keys and ROMs would be like desktop linux distros but the wrong side won WW2 so here we are. modern android is so overcomplicated it managed to negate generations of semiconductor improvements. modern devices should have like 5 days of battery life

>>108714720
let me guess, this will mean banking and streaming apps won't work

>>108720565
root actually is insecure and dangerous. It's really fucked how on android root is either always on or always off. On linux you enter root in one window and once you close that window you are out of root. That's how it should be done.

It's a false dichotomy between having a rooted insecure phone that is prone to attacks, and a locked down phone where google controls what you can do with it.

>>108720573
that's why I'm worried about the switch to ARM as it means locked bootloaders. I hope we skip straight to RISC V without the ARM crap.

>>108714720
This is what people are upset about? Who gives a shit. Oh my god, not 24 hours every few years when I get a new phone AHHHHHHHHHH

>>108720587
supersu and magisk solved that problem years ago with a complex root rights management framework that between other things lets you revoke root after a while and lock it behind fingerprint unlock. lineageos also has a permission node for superuser access, it's just memory holed from us because then we wouldn't bother watching youtube with ads, be dependent on play services or be forced to buy a more expensive device because it has an extra feature locked by software/firmware

also root is not limited by windows but by processes. although on desktop linux root rights can be requested through a suid binary or a dbus signal

>>108714720
Holy nothingburger. You don't even have to do the ask for permission humiliation ritual you're forced to go through to unlock the bootloader

I use LineageOS without jewgle services, this probably won't affect me

>>108720603
indeed, ARM fucked up by not mandating these in a smartphone spec just like intel/AMD do on desktop x86 to standardize the mobile space just like with x86. but i don't see an improvement with RISC-V, instead i see even more lockdown and fragmentation because there's no license enforcement unlike ARM and x86 which give them a modicum of control on the spec. while ARM and RISC-V both have UEFI/ACPI implementations ready to use, for obvious reasons the big OEMs will NEVER let them be used on their goysumer products

>>108720646
>he doesn't know

>>108720649
to be fair, amd64 isn't perfect either when it comes to locking down (see Secure Boot, TPM, SecureCore and Pluton). it's a sinking ship. sure you can disable it today (though I went the mile to enroll my own linux keys to secure boot in db, kek and pk and might even use TPM) but tomorrow secure boot will definitely be used to force Windows on you.

>>108720668
usually a desktop/laptop device that doesn't let you run linux is deemed a useless toy by desktop people that use their machines to get shit done. this would NEVER fly on a thinkpad but sadly the main purchasers of smartphones are normalfags that don't understand how valuable their privacy/dignity/sovereignty is and as long as they get their dopamine drip feed don't mind being milked every year a little harder by silicon valley into being lobotomites

i also run secure boot with custom keys on my thinkbook and it's just a way to show that device security that respects you is a solved problem and the only roadblock is corporate greed. on the other hand indeed fuck pluton. i don't think microsoft should keep influencing the desktop computer, the gay copilot key is getting on my nerves and i'm glad i have the last one that doesn't include it

>>108716628
> we can't do that here in Germoney
Why are you lying? Many banks in Germany offer web based online banking and require no smartphone app.
Some require that you receive SMS with TANs for transactions, like Santander, others offer QR-Code based TAN generators of their own, if you don't want to use a smartphone for this, like the Commerzbank. But you don't need a smartphone, you don't need to run an app!

In Portugal however many if not most banks offer only smartphone app based online banking. This really sucks because their apps won't install on rooted smartphones and require you to have a Google account and the whole surveillance shebang that comes with it. I believe that Santander offers web based online banking in Portugal as well.

>>108714664
this is bullshit btw
theyre adding some stupid 24 hour timer to enable anonymously developed apps which can easily be bypassed by waiting 24 hours

>>108720701
why do i need to wait to install apps on my own device? itoddler tier opinion

>>108716729
That is rather questionable. Usually not possible.

>>108720692
>i also run secure boot with custom keys on my thinkbook
oh wow you managed to add them without bricking your motherboard? Did you add everything (db, KEK, PK)? did you remove the Lenovo and MS keys?

I have a T14 thinkpad. I added my own db and KEK without replacing the MS and Lenovo keys (thankfully my device has a Key Manager option which lets me add db's and KEK's and even replace PK all without leaving user mode) but too afraid or replacing PK because of fear of bricking my device. is replacing PK dangerous? I think I do need the MS KEK and db keys because of Oproms and also because I dualboot Windows.

>>108720709
the itoddler opinion is um ackshaully third party app stores are literally malware

>>108719374
>sucked to completion
Found the punter/mogger afficianado/enjoyer. BBFS ftw.

>>108720192
>EVERY
>SINGLE
>TIME
Why are you making shit up, you'll be nagged once and wait a day, never to be nagged again. It's still better than glurk glurking Tim apple.

>>108720722
>without bricking the motherboard
wait, is that a thing? i tried and failed several times to set up secure boot and it just defaulted to windows because bootmgfw is first party signed but i ended resetting the key store, enrolling the new keys and then when secure boot is enabled it will be in user mode. although despite the name the thinkbook is an ideapad with superior build quality and not really part of the thinkpad family

>>108720722
in the worst case you just disable secure boot. the first party keys are part of the firmware and usually changed by the BIOS update

>>108714720
>>108714664
I hate jewgle so much bros

Their vibecoding jeets keep fucking up YT as well

>>108720826
>wait, is that a thing?
yep. it's so bad the arch wiki even put a warning on implementing your own keys:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot#Using_your_own_keys

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/Reports-of-custom-secure-boot-keys-bricking-recent-X-P-and-T-series-laptops/m-p/5105571

>tried and failed several times
failed in terms of what? removing the wrong keys? because that would brick the mobo meaning you can't even access the BIOS. so you only have your own keys or also MS/Lenovo's?

>>108720837
no you can't. if you remove the wrong keys it means you can't even access the BIOS. see links above.

I tried the safest way and generated the keys manually and added the .auth files from a FAT32 flash drive using the UEFI firmware key manager, and that's just for the db and KEK files.

the PK is the most important key right? replacing it brick the computer? will replacing it increase security even with Lenovo/MS keys in KEK/db? is it more secure to have your own PK or to remove MS keys in KEK/db?

>>108720893
just dont use secureboot, its literally microslop, and despite its name, its not secure.

>>108720945
I agree. it would be secure if it was 100% your own keys, but that would brick your device specially if you have oproms.

sad because it was really good in theory, preventing others from booting another OS.

Good thing graphene won't be affected. Lol @ mindless NPCs getting prison raped

>>108721100
soon all phones will be as locked down as Samsung, and custom ROMs will be dead

>>108721110
There will always be an alternative. Now with AI that alternative will be available sooner than later

>>108714664
who cares, i don't build phone apps.

>>108720945
it's secure enough as in the durgasoft uefi rootkit embedded in your porn will no longer work on your machine

>>108720893
i see. since the failure mode in thinkpads seems to come from video firmware being signed by the MS 3rd party cert i'd keep the MS/lenovo keys anyway

>>108721110
they are already essentially dead outside of lineage which is pretty much on life support. you can also observe how almost all the supported devices are ancient

>>108721314
unless durgasoft gets MS to sign the key

>i'd keep the MS/lenovo keys anyway
what about the PK? isn't that the one that gives you the actual control?

I think it's the BIOS, not the video firmware.

>>108721326
yeah sad. only the oneplus, fairphone and pixel are properly supported.

I hope /e/ is doing well.

>>108720950
yeah, that honestly sucks. micropenis should never have been given priority access to the standards design board, again even then UEFI is still among the best we have because the wrong side won WW2

>>108721327
if i understand the secure boot process a PK is useless without a KEK to evaluate and subsequent authorized programs in db/dbx

>>108720573
> UEFI and ACPI
The UEFI obsession comes from a place of ignorance. PCs are compatible not because of UEFI but because of standardized pc hardware. Phones would still need custom roms even if they had UEFI.

>>108721327
that would be a tragedy and if an israeli op is pulled on you the only escape is to find an ancient thinkpad that can be ME deleted and librebooted, and run a distro as blobless as possible. the last ones ran core 2 duo i think

>>108721385
ACPI solves the device detection part without resorting to gay device tree binaries, why do you forget it? meanwhile UEFI provides a standardized boot environment with a known way to secure your own keys with

>>108721377
but will replacing it brick the PC? won't my custom PK evaluate the lenovo/MS KEK keys (which in turn evaluate the db/dbx)? or will my PK break the KEKs which will breal the db/dbx?

from what I understand the db's have a higher chance of bricking the PC than the PK/KEKs do?

>>108721387
or....they'll just fabricate shit about you and fuck with you anyway. all this security/privacy rigamarole is just kiddie games.

>>108721411
it's a chain. you may add your custom key set but you gotta keep lenovo and microjeet keys at all levels. PK is the root of trust the firmware depends upon, KEK is a key validation key and db is a list of authorized binaries evaluated against the KEK. do not delete the original PK or KEK

>>108721444
shit that sucks. all these programs like sbctl casually replace the PK and say it's fine and only put the microsoft keys in KEK and db. I thought it was safe that way. I did add my keys to db and KEK (thankfully while remaining in user mode)

from what I heard. replacing the PK just means you have to manually sign the KEKs.

>>108721471
sbctl can be dangerous, but custom secure boot is not for newfags anyway so it's something you do after researching. the safest way is to stick to microsoft CA

>>108721495
yeah it is. it's why I manually generated the keys using openssl, and manually added them the my fat32 flash drive and enrolled them using the UEFI firmware.

I'm spending 4 days researching if the PK is safe because of the risks. the lenovo forums say it's ok to remove the MS keys but keep the lenovo keys. others say the opposite and it's because of the oproms requiring MS keys. some say even adding their own keys without removing the others bricks their device. others say the removed everything but their own keys and their device still works. it's confusing.

I might just not do it. in the end the arch wiki hasn't updated its warning besides on the T14 Gen 1 Intel page. sadly their is no fucking way to test it and their is no rollback feature. terrible BIOS.

>>108719369
Yeah but now you need a computer
Plus you need to use adb every time you install somthing, F-Droid can't adapt to that
>wireless debugging and shizuku tho, that might work, at least you can enable it quickly
Also: https://f-droid.org/packages/app.pwhs.universalinstaller

>>108721513
check the signatures of the oproms in your bios and you will have your answer

>>108721540
how do I do that? idk if the thinkpad BIOS shows the oproms. only keys.

do I have to do it in linux or in the BIOS? would be happy to receive help on this

and oproms are THE thing that bricks the computers? so nothing else but the oproms?

>>108720823
>It's still better
let's call it less worse, okay? keep up your standards and don't accept this situation as "better than what applefags have to deal with"

Can we switch to HarmonyOS?
What do you think about it?
Maybe it's chance to go Chinese and get rid of this Android crap altogether.

>>108720823
I read the google article and thats how I understand it. I fear my shizuku powered auto updates will break

This is all to stop vanced and piracy apps by the way. Windows is starting to do something similar as well (smart app control).

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>>108714664
So what if I install a custom OS like Graphene on my pixel? That should work, right?

>>108714987
And if I'm an independent dev who makes software just for myself and my friends? Why must I register with jewgle? Because hurr durr untrusted software hurr durr I and mine are consumerist retards?
>b-but adb
Boiling frog.

>>108714713
Give me your bank info, you are not rich.

>>108714720
This is mostly done to prevent feds from installing spyware on your device.
t. I know people who know people

>>108722443
Yeah but it seems unlikely that windows will be successful. Possible but unlikely

>>108715597
If only I could be an insignificant undisturbed worm just doing nothing, but no, jewgle has to monetize and jew ALL of the worms so now I am FORCED to do something about it, literally. God if only I could just be left alone to do nothing, imagine

What is the EU waiting for here? Seems like a clear-cut antitrust case

watch as it's going to get delayed when it gets there, normies and shills will ridicule us for it being a nothingburger, then it's going to be implemented in secret 2 months later

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>>108714664
Not my problem.
Imagine using Android device without Graphene in year of 2000 + 50 - 24.
>inb4 what about banking and car apps
They all work.

>>108724539
triple cuckold 666 ebussy tier garbage

>>108724633
stay mad, you mentally ill subhuman.

>>108724650
goycattle

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>>108714800
>~
bluds using the proxy aw hell nah

>>108720382
yeah only goylets would want to install apps without Google's permission
Ignore that google already banned the developer accounts of multiple pro-speech and pro-freedom developers for nonexistent reasons.
And it's not like they're embroiled in a law suit _right now_ over doing exactly what you say they do not do

https://kbsd6.com/news/google-censorship-lawsuit-big-techs-biggest-free-speech-battle-yet/

Thank you, Rabbi Moshe
You fucking lying kike

>>108724737
>Now's the part where he runs screaming to the mods to silence the dissent and demand google ban his account.

>>108724747
I've just come to accept it: This place is a demoralization hellhole where they post the worst news imaginable and then post the most obvious see-through strawmen ever so they can get people to argue with them, and then ban them for arguing.
It's a slow filter to eradicate any errant thoughts of "Hey, maybe I shouldn't have my lives ran by Google today"

>>108714720
>SEVEN TIMES in scarebold
lmao

>>108721538
what's a computer?

>>108724799
A big desktop or laptop running MS Windows or MacOS
Yeah, I know Smartphones are technically computers but hell if OS developers give it the same treatment
You need a ""PC"" to run ADB, not a nintendo switch

>>108714664
I don't update android

>>108715016
Fucking KYS you freedomtranny.

>>108724879
well I was joking but has there really been no implementation of adb in any other platforms? No one's figured out how to run it on another Android device, even if spoofing is necessary?

>>108714664
https://github.com/sam1am/anyapk

>>108715488
>The world has gone mad. Is the concept of buying a device and running what you want on it really that hard to grasp?
that's no kosher for your local rabbis

>>108720458
based noticer

>>108724794
It was probably written by a non-developer

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>>108714720
wtf happened to /g/. Actual people replying to this post not able to see why this is a crisis. Hackers on steroids replaced by mindless consumers

>>108725384
>wtf happened to /g/
they are in other ch4n5

>>108724996
Well, if the other android device is rooted you can install termux, android-tools pkg on it and use a male-to-male usb cable
But if it's not rooted then I just found this: https://github.com/nohajc/termux-adb
This modified version of adb doesn't need root but needs termux-API from F-Droid so go ahead and install it before it's late
>Alternatively, buy a RaspberryPi 4, it's 35$

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>>108725384
they went to lain and then lain died so i guess everyone is d Ed

This has less to do with I have nothing to hide and more to do with I don't want to pay 50 bucks a month to take a photo of a paper for a PDF

>>108714720
Can I do this shit already or do I have to wait until their faggot patch drops? My Developer Options is already activated.

I get most of my apps from F-droid so this kind of sucks.
I'm aware there's not much I can do besides leave android behind. GrapheneOS means I still have to give Google money for a Pixel which makes me less inclined to go that route.
Pinephone is another option but I feel like they've been in beta for like a decade.
Librephone is dead in the water.
Liberty Phone is way out of my price range.

Honestly it feels like iPhones are the best option despite them also limiting side loading. At least they're being open about it and not cucking around the subject.

>>108720535
I DID BUY A PHONE WITH UNLOCABLE BOOTLOADER, BUT THEN THEY REMOVED THE ABILITY TO UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER (i didnt check different forums before updating, i did check patch notes but obviously, they didnt write "oh yeah we are removing the ability to unlock bootloader lol"

>>108714664
>ADB workflow and experience stays the same
Unless they go the full apple route in the future, one still can download apps and iust install them from adb. Tho that pretty much sucks since you need a second device just for instealling shit

>>108720192
Auto updating is peak goyem my man.

>>108724996
>>108725496
>>108724879
You don't need to do any of that, termux+shizuku is all you need

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>>108714720
great news

>>108724737
>And it's not like they're embroiled in a law suit _right now_ over doing exactly what you say they do not do
Point to where I said they weren't doing that.
The exact quote please.

>>108726478
that also happens and it's why it should also be a phone whose bootloader unlocking doesn't require online validation

>>108727071
and now you need termux to install termux

>>108725384
i see the crisis but i see literally no solution to it because the ball is on normalfags' court and they won't do shit. most of them buy android because they can't afford apple anyways, the days of tech nerds and custom rommers having influence over the popular opinion recommending devices to normalfags are sadly long gone

>>108721550
there is a procedure in the arch linux wiki, i can't spoonfeed you the specifics because i haven't tried. again i just use microsoft's 3rd party keys which are enough to prevent evil maid attacks and the aforementioned durgasoft rootkit

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>>108727116
Oh yeah.... I completely forgot phones don't come with any sort of terminal whatsoever
You can at least still use adb from a working phone to unlock a jailed one

>>108725384
phones have always been locked up garbage

>>108726525
Supposedly you can install apps through adb through TCP loopback

# Install adb in Termux
pkg install android-tools

# Connect to the local ADB daemon
adb connect 127.0.0.1:5555

# Install any APK
adb install myapp.apk

Can anyone confirm this AI slop above?

>>108720192
That's a nothing burger. Even the oldest android asks you "do you want to install apk - yes/no" when the package installer loads.
So you say yes and it asks a second time "are you sure? Install anyway/cancel"

Wow, one more tap. What a move.
The 24 h thing is the actual annoyance, but do it as soon as you open the box, select permanent override and you are done. It will ruin the day for those pajeet scammers, that's a silver lining

>>108727373
yes you can and that's what shizuku does

>>108727071
And uhh,
Remind me, what do I need to run shizuku?

Also, termux-API is not on google play store, otherwise GL rooting your phone

>>108714800
I access a brokerage account that's worth more than your house on a rooted phone just fine.

>>108727373
Wireless debugging works like this,
I believe normal USB Debugging won't work because it must run through a USB Connection,
and ADB in termux won't connect to any USB devices because it needs root to access to /dev/bus/usb/whatever like linux
of which is blocked in android because security shit (rubberducky for example)
Sadly, I don't have a male-to-male USB-C cable to test this with nor would I buy one soley for it

Well, as long as google is willing to keep wireless debugging we don't have much of a problem.

>>108727740
From your old phone

>>108714681
You could just run Lineage

>>108714713
>>108714990
Good bait. This doesn't affect terrorists, this affects civilians, who will have to watch more ads. The only "criminals" this affects are the likes of those who dare block ads on YouTube and run anti-DPI shit on their internet. Also those who dare install a keyboard with no spyware, etc.

>>108714987
Newpipe is able to stream. Also i am using my phone to run custom shit that requires root. Hell, nmap alone requires root. KYS, this affects powerusers of all kinds, not just goycattle consumers. The goycattle consumers aren't the ones using Newpipe anyways.

>>108715016
Because g is retarded goycattle in 2026

>>108715282
Or it can be a tool of personal empowerment that fights the bullshit

>>108715327
All my shit works on my rooted phone. Everything can be spoofed also.

>>108715707
It is an extension of yourself, which you need full control over to stay free.

>>108715755
I just wanna point out that less than 2% of users are running non-Play store apps of any kind

>>108715817
>every month
You'll see double the ads every month, retard

>>108716120
>>108716282
Spoof Google Play and continue on.

>>108716628
In my third world shithole (USA), i can run banking apps on my phone.

>>108717299
They're not commies, they're capitalists. And they'll install whatever the fuck they want on your phone.

>you won't let them
Which root are you running?

>>108717363
Root + deGoogle + custom package installer
Root + custom package installer + spoof Gapps + possibly partially degoogle
LineageOS + spoof Gapps (optional)
Two phones
Dual booted phone

>>108714720
>think 24hour wait will help stop scammer app installs
All the scam callers need to do is say "wait time could be 24 to 48 hours to install the app" and nobody will blink an eye since hearing something like that about anything is so normal.

>>108714720
The 24 hour thing is because of fucking idiots who fall for every single scam on the internet.

>>108714664
https://alternativeto.net/software/f-droid/

There's between 10 and 15 alternatives, you only need ONE to work good.

Which 3 other app stores do you guys use? I assume f-droid?

(And yes I know some of those alt stores will have less choice, or problems with updates, but as long as they exist, it's good?)

>>108717210
That requires trusting OEM/Android to NOT have Gplay/Gservices on it.

Which given Android is defacto Google... good luck.

>>108728469
F-droid isn't safe, since it still has to go through the bullshit 24 hour lockdown to even install.

There's nothing stopping Google from revoking fdroid and Auroa's fingerprint/"Developer ID" if they don't want people to use them.

>>108727847
So now I need to buy an outdated android phone to unlock my android 16 phone?
You know not everybody has 3+ phone collecting dust on a shelf

>>108728542
>Google from revoking fdroid and Auroa's fingerprint/"Developer ID" if they don't want people to use them.

I'm not sure google would notice or care for those? (and lot of people *dumb customers don't know those or advanced tech stuff)
If apk's still work, are things still possible?
I mean i guess as long as we don't need some sort of google (gmail) online login or whatever?

Can we just make some backups of all apps (and all their older versions) now? (I'm sure there is?)

>>108728573
come to the war room thread:
>>108728617
I propose there ^ a meme "Sideloading is all of liberty."

We need to choose a meme basically today and get out there pushing everywhere. This has to become our "freeze it". One issue, together the mighty faggot.

>>108728542
Aurora only redistributes apk from Google play store.

>>108728542
we don't need fucking safe.

We need to get Google nationalized. We can do this. It's completely achievable, people say, "it can't be done". We can, we just have to mobilize people. All of use nerds have to be blasting "Sideloading is all of liberty."
Here's the meme thread:
>>108728617
And remember, the best memes are forced in early morning hours.

>muh open OS muh sideloading crowd when google locks their shit tighter than fapple:
lmao even

>>108728677
(semen gurgler)

>>108715761
Linage is for homosexuals. Graphene is what straight white men use

>>108727963
>Because g is retarded goycattle in 2026
I feel like there's a general shift towards "getting cucked is actually a good thing", I'm seeing it more and more often. Back in the 2000s and 10s you would have more of a consensus but nowadays we have more people tell you that you should embrace more restrictions and less privacy without a hint of irony.

>>108728823
Who gives a damn about godforsaken democrat semen guzzlers? They can fuck a snowman.

We demand the nationalization of Google NOW:
>>108728617
^ come to meme
"Sideloading is all of liberty."

>>108714720
This is a bigger humiliation ritual than what Xiaomi forces you to go through in order to unlock your phone's bootloader. Lmao. Fuck these kikes

>>108726214
Motorola phones will come with GrapheneOS by default starting from 2027. Not all hope is lost

>>108728733
I don't have Google phone.