>>108715633
I love it with the fedora spin. very comfy.
i dont know why others hate it

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>>108715633
No it's a piece of fuckin shit and Mint is shit and it runs like shit I would rather use 10 LTSC again than this steaming pile of dogshit, Arch+KDE is where it's at. This should not run as shit as it does.
>muh krashes
>muh -Syu breaks your shit
Literally doesn't happen if you don't have tinkertranny tendencies. CONTROL YOURSELF.

>>108715788
Mint runs like garbage and I find it bloated. If anons want bloated, install ZorinOS otherwise stick to Arch based but be careful not to tinkertroon it too much or you will break it and the OS partition would have to be killed in a 41% fashion.

It's soulless flat slop. If that wasn't immediately obvious upon seeing this image, then it means you are an NPC and do not even know what good UI entails, in which case, it will probably be fine for you.

>>108715633
Cinnamon has no identity outside of Mint.
If you install it on Arch, you just get a mishmash of Adwaita and Papirus icons.
And Mint is based on Ubuntu, so I am not touching that shit.

>>108715633
simple, lightweight and just werks
plus it makes fatarchs mad as fuck so it's my favorite de by far

>>108715633
It’s shit and unusable, much like Mint. If you want a newbie OS, you use CachyOS. Otherwise use Arch. KDE is the only Linux DE worth using.

>>108716050
what would you recommend that's similar to mint but not bloated?

use arch/wm fag. desktop environments are for toddlers. use dwm. use terminal. fuck mint fuck cachy fuck winshit refugee distros.

>>108716232
Probably Lubuntu, Linux Lite or MX Linux. For casual use almost all distros are good enough including Mint. Why Mint became the default standard for ex windows users is beyond me. It's not a bad distro but it is overrated.

>>108715633
>Fucking python in DE
Horrifying.

>>108716232
Just use Arch and don’t bloat it. Pick KDE since it’s the only actually modern DE.

>>108716312
Mint has fallen hard in popularity since CachyOS dropped, and now I rarely see it recommended, I don’t think it’s really overrated anymore. It’s just kind of irrelevant now if anything.

Cinnamon is absolute kino.
Sadly it doesn't work on Wayland so I cannot use it. Maybe one day we'll have a functioning cinnamon Wayland, and life will be perfect.
In the meantime KDE works fine but looks like shit.

>>108716336
>Don't bloat it
>KDE
Pick one.
Use LXQt if you are serious about avoiding bloat.

>>108716347
KDE isn’t bloat, it’s the only Linux DE that’s actually good

>>108715633
From a technical standpoint it's probably not the best, KDE is superior.
From a usability standpoint it's the DE that comes with the most sane defaults out of the box, making it perfect for older relatives.

>>108716351
what makes you think the de is good is actually the window manager. it's kwin and it works fine with lxqt

>>108716370
Do you mean kaywin-Wayland by chance? I wanted to try lxqt, but heard Wayland doesn't really work. Is that true?

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>>108715633
>Systemd
Its garbage OP

>>108716343
KDE looks way better. Cinnamon and other DEs STILL lack basic UI functions like generating thumbnail previews on folders.

>>108716379
yes, works fine
it doesn't work properly with xfce, maybe you have the two mixed up

>>108716379
lxqt is window manager agnostic
if you use a wm that support wayland, then it runs on wayland (like kwin)
if you use a wm that's made for X, then it runs on X (like kwin_x11 a.k.a. sonic_win)

>>108716379
LXQt has no native window manager/compositor. Whatever works well with Wayland, you can use with it.
It defaults to Openbox, which is X11, but Labwc is pretty much the Wayland equivalent.

>>108716312
>Why Mint became the default standard for ex windows users is beyond me. It's not a bad distro but it is overrated.

it's easy to install and works almost like windows. it looked a nice starting point for me, and i imagine, to other windows users. but i'm ready to move on, i'll check out the ones you recommended.

>>108716452
>It defaults to Openbox
ymmw, default devuan install will put xfwm but it's trivial to install anything you want instead

>>108716389
kde still has that fucking "find the EXACT BORDER PIXEL to resize window" behavior that drives me up the fucking wall
great de otherwise

>>108715633
It's fine. I'm used to how cinnamon does things. I have Mint on my laptop and am trying KDE on my desktop. The only thing I like about KDE is dolphin though. I think all the menus and options are a little harder to read. I will probably get used to it like mint anyway.

>>108716228
CachyOS is not a newbie os lmao.

>>108716697
You could press Meta + Right click to resize though

Linux Mint is the ultimate boomer distro. I had problems for years dealing with spyware and virus because they'd install the stupidest shit but once I dropped them on LM it ended.

>>108716915
>Linux Mint is the ultimate boomer distro.
Debian is the ultimate boomer distro. Mint has no use case, which is why it's cratering in popularity.

>>108715633
>>108716347
>>108716392
Cinnamon, Xfce, LXQt, MATE, and KDE work great, are a true pleasure to use, and absolutely BTFO of the user experience you get on Windows 10 and up OOTB. Tinkertrannies need to stop looking a gift horse in the mouth.

>>108716680
It's an upstream decision. Devuan is just contrarian.

>>108717026
Boomer here, can confirm. Mint was repulsive for reasons. Ubuntu Gnome reset my brain cell enough to leave Windows. Debian MATE won me over.

>>108716758
Why is it so damn popular then? There shouldn't be so many newfags using it if it isn't friendly.

>>108717456
It's just arch with a lot of scripts to automate things for you. But the system doesn't have anything installed by default and needs internet to install. A retard will be able to fuck things up somehow because they won't read. Bazzite or a system that has some programs already installed is better for the most retarded newbies.

before i take any of your answers seriously: how many anime girls you have on your UI.

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>>108716325
>java slop and python
mein gott.

>>108717432
Devuan is Debian for the type of people who would proudly lavel themselves as chuds

>>108717026
>>108717438
Both me by the way, sorry. Nobody replied the first time so I tried again, haha.

>>108717748
>java slop
Cinnamon does not use or depend on Java. In fact, there are presently no actively maintained DEs for Linux that rely on Java.

>>108717438
>>108718287
Debian MATE has been my go to for 5ish years now on several machines. I prefer it BUT it seems to be more sustained than maintained.

>>108718326
mate appeals to me at first glance but on second check it seems to be on its final breaths.

Fact: Cinnamon is the much lighter weight and snappier than GNOME or KDE. It's also the best looking ootb, not art faggy at all, just understated and functional. It's for straight men who just want to use their computers and aren't into sucking dicks and stuff.

>>108716572
>I'm ready to move on
why though? They are all the same. Mint is just the best one. You'll be back. Only "benefit" of using a lesser distro is posting a screenfetch on 4chan and having another poser zoomer think you're some hacker for using a loser distro that sucks. I'll tell you the truth: real ones respect Mint and Ubuntu fetches a lot more, it shows the person knows shit about Linux

More stable than KDE. At least once a week plasmashell crashes on bazzite but still better than gtk slop with no file picker and an anemic slow file manager.

Nemo is a terrible file manager eve compared to windows 11's. People have complained for the past 5 years about. Mint devs are retarded fuck that french fuck.

Also the theme selection is ugly yet instead of fixing that or adding Wayland support or forking say Nautilus for GTK4 thumbnails they focus on stupid shit.

>>108718478
mint feels sluggish

Boh if you want to install another de go ahead.
It just works so. I kinda don't care i just know i install it works,okay goodbye.
I don't play games and don't use wine much so

>>108718979
what does that even mean
too much animation? you can turn them off
too much lag? you must be on a potato
most likely just placebo effect from hearing other distro's bullshit claims like "muh superior performance" and whatnot

>>108715633
Cinnamon is greatly underrated. I wish they had put more effort into MATE in the past but these days MATE is close to Cinnamon in weight so it's pretty much a non-issue. Fedora Cinnamon spin is probably the best "get shit done" option in the Linux world. It doesn't have any nice themes as far as I can tell but the global resolution scaling and font rendering is on par with KDE Plasma. I sometimes run games through Lutris and the performance has been fine so far but I admittedly don't run the most demanding games. Overall I would say Cinnamon is best for people who don't want to tinker with superfluous themes and such while KDE is better for people who want customize every little aspect of their desktop. KDE might be a little lighter if that matters to you. The fact the KDE Plasma team reduced resource consumption while increasing performance without sacrificing features is very impressive and completely foreign to the Linux ecosystem over the last 15 years.

>>108716572
Brother I was the same as you. I thought I'd had time to get used to the 'beginner' distro, now I'll do a custom Arch install and be 4real 1337. So I did that, tried basically every desktop environment in existence, decided to try a minimal Debian because I don't prefer rolling release, a couple other quick experiments and another fresh Arch install and I ended up installing Cinnamon on Arch because it is objectively the best desktop environment if you don't need Wayland (and is fully supporting Wayland soon anyway so that will soon be irrelevant).

In the end I realized I was just trying to get back to Mint. I stripped down everything and built it back to like 80% of the default Mint experience, excluding a bit of bloat and shit I never used. Great but you can do that the other way around a lot easier by just installing Mint and removing what you don't want. I'm still on Arch/Cinnamon right now and it was worth having a look because I like fucking around with stuff like this, but there is no practical benefit. It runs a bit lighter and the install size was a bit smaller than even my optimized Mint build, but not enough to really matter unless you are seriously compromised on resources.

Mint is the best beginner distro because it is the best distro. What makes it good for beginners is exactly what makes it good for power users or anyone, it is intuitive and fully featured and easily customizable and doesn't break. Being more experienced and knowledgeable doesn't make you WANT an obtuse experience that you have to endlessly fuck around setting up for a functionally identical end result. I almost felt a bit cheated after going through everything else because all of these absolute retards talk so much shit about how much better all these other options are. They aren't. Just stay with Mint unless you like tweaking and fucking with shit, in which case do it so you can realize why Mint is better.

>>108715633
I really like it but man... It's in serious need of a lift up by now. I hope Clem gives it the love it deserves by the upcoming Mint 23.

>>108715633
X11? In the year of our lord 2026?

>>108720672
it literally just works.

Has anyone tried to install xlibre with mint? I wonder if the best option to upgrade mint is simply to ignore gayland.

>>108716386
Since when does a desktop environment install systemd you retard?

>>108720672
99.9% of users don't know whether they're running x11 or wayland. i didn't notice if or when fedora switched to wayland. i've seen it mentioned here on /g/ but i don't care enough to check if my fedora kde is running it or not. if it is i literally cannot tell the difference and do not care. please stop bringing up this inane culture war shit in every fucking thread about linux. you're only proving the socially dysfunctional linux tranny meme true at this point. you wayland tards have become as bad as the rust zealots.

linux mint is lowkey kinda bad. runs terribly and cinnamon is so much buggier than kde (and slower too). no point in it.

>>108718289
For all bitching about Java i'd take FlatLaf over the painful 6 years that took QML to be worth anything besides useless trash.

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>>108715633
LMDE Cinnamon cured my Distrohopping

>>108715633
Cinnamon runs very well, yeah. It has its quirks but as everything in Linux Mint, it get the job done and absolutely nothing else.

>>108720938
I tried to install it the other day and fucked up my install. Couldn't login afterwards. Might be a skill issue tho.

>>108720976
I don't care about X11 vs Wayland either, I use whatever just works, but come on... There really are notable differences between the two. Fractional scaling is fucked on X11, so is HDR and VRR. Although I don't really care about any of those things.
>>108721009
you don't have to lie to look cool, you're just making a fool of yourself.

>>108715633
Cinnamon is nice. I like it a lot.
However, as >>108716205 said, if you install it outside of Mint, it isn't as polished OOTB.

>>108716205
You could try LMDE. It really is the best Debian-based distro. It really hope the Mint team focuses more on it.

>>108721299
Just as a follow up (because a really love it lol) if the Mint team migrates the driver manager, especially now that Ubuntu discontinued it and maded an apt package, then LMDE will be one of the best newbie friendly distros. Basically, baby's first Debian.

don't listen to LMDE tards. Regular mint is better, LMDE is an afterthought and nobody gives a shit about it

>>108721482
>LMDE is an afterthought
>LM's next version will literally have the same installer as LMDE
you lost ubuntranny, even Mint realized ubuntu is shit and is backporting features from LMDE now.

>>108721493
I've been using Mint for like 10 years. They aren't ditching Ubuntu base you're a schizo

>>108715633
when i was still using a DE i liked xfce.
now i'm a bspwm guy

>>108721508
>i've used a horse for 10 years. They're never ditching it for cars you're a schizo
>i've used ibm hardware for 10 years. They're never ditching hardware sells you're schizo
>i've used apple products for 10 years. They're never ditching the iPod you're schizo
>i've used netflix for 10 years. They aren't ditching mail dvd rentals you're a schizo
>i've used ubuntu for 10 years. They're never ditching apt for snaps you're schizo
>i've used gnome for 10 years. They're never ditching x11 for wayland
>i've used linux for 10 years. They're never ditching sysinit for systemd you're schizo

>>108721692
lindy effect: debunked.

>>108720976
>i didn't notice if or when fedora switched to wayland
>i literally cannot tell the difference
Cinnamon is literally unusable because of X11 on many hardware configurations, as other posters have pointed out.
>you're only proving the socially dysfunctional linux tranny meme true at this point
>you wayland tards have become as bad as the rust zealots
Ironic.

>>108716050
>>108715788
>tinkertroon
Dumbest insult you niggers have ever made here

>>108716232
The world bloat is completely redundant in the context of modern Linux. KDE and Cinnamon are both bloated compared to what is absolutely necessary for a desktop environment, and the bloat amounts to maybe like a couple GB of storage space and a couple hundred MB of RAM. If your computer is meaningfully affected by this then YOU CAN NOT USE A WEB BROWSER. You simply can not use it as a computer in the modern context. So the discussion is retarded, just choose which you prefer. All of the lightweight options are missing functionality and look ugly without putting in significant setup time. And in the end you will still likely find the result is just 'good enough'. There is no legitimate reason for anyone to use anything other than KDE or Cinnamon for normal computer use in current year.

I know this because I hate bloat and wastefulness and I hate my computer doing a bunch of shit I didn't ask it to. I had tried and quite liked both KDE and Cinnamon, but wanted a really light and lean setup fully customized to my liking. I also hate 'modern' stuff like animations. So I was a perfect candidate for a lightweight DE. I spent a lot of time fucking with Xfce, MATE, LXQt and LXDE. I got them all reasonably OK and usable, but the difference in storage space becomes irrelevant as soon as you install a couple of programs, and the difference in resource use was not noteworthy. All of them have some inexplicable defaults and are missing a lot of really basic stuff ootb, and none of them ever got to where I felt I was truly without compromise.

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>>108715788
>Just had one of my externals get corrupted while I was transferring some files on my new Arch + KDE setup
I don't know how to feel about this turn of events, but I'll chalk it up to just me being new to all of this. Guess I just gotta be more careful...
Isn't there some new system with NTFS drives that Arch is supposed to be getting soon? Will that be making that kind of error something I hopefully won't have to worry about in the near future?

>>108721979
>There is no legitimate reason for anyone to use anything other than KDE or Cinnamon for normal computer use in current year
Agreed, except swap Cinnamon with GNOME

I liked Cinnamon for a good while. In some aspects I like it more than Plasma. The problem is the fucking compositor, it's absolute dogshit. Nemo isn't the best either, but it's serviceable.
I'm hoping that now they moved on to wayland things are gonna get a little better (hopefully they add HDR support soon enough).

>>108719154
i have it on a 10 years old laptop (Acer Aspire ES1-711) to get used to linux before i switch my main rig. i figure whatever runs smooth on that will perform well with proper hardware.

>>108718289
>In fact, there are presently no actively maintained DEs for Linux that rely on Java.
thanks for the idea, anon

>>108721692
>i've used linux for 10 years. They're never ditching sysvinit for systemd you're schizo
*laughs in devuan*

>>108721854
>Cinnamon is literally unusable because of X11 on many hardware configurations
Such as?

>>108716050
>>108716232
>finding Linux Mint bloated
What causes this mental illness? Is it drinking too much white monster or something?

>>108722050
>moved on to wayland
As long as Nvidia keeps shitting the bed on Wayland, I'm gonna stick to x11. I'm pretty sure Mint will keep supporting it for the foreseeable future.

>>108715788
>>108716050
Mint runs fast and without a hitch on old hardware. Maybe your PC is just shit or you guys don't know how to use it.
Maybe stop being retarded?

>No VRR if you have multiple displays
>No mixed refresh without stuttering if you have media on a secondary display
>No fractional scaling
>No HDR
Anyone with a semi-modern PC shouldn't be gimping their PC with retarded defaults that Mint ships with. Mint is exclusively meant for Windows 7 tier laptops for tech illiterate retards.

>>108722024
Gnome is abominable.

>>108722364
use case for HDR if you aren't playing modern vidya, consoooming hollywood slop or working in media?
serious question.
>t. uses hdr10 monitor with X11

>>108722414
>use case for HDR if you aren't enjoying things
Well you got him there, he should just work and cooode

>>108722414
It objectively looks better with no downsides. It's like 240hz vs 120hz, 240hz is better.

>>108715729
>i dont know why others hate it
nobody knows why others hate {distro}

>>108722414
>modern games
HDR is 10 years old and the difference is night and day. It's one of the biggest leaps I've ever seen, as big as when I first saw an HD tv and was surprised that a talk show host's black suit was actually black.

>>108722470
I turned it on once, it changed my screen brightness. What a joke of a gimmick.

>>108722499
How traumatic for you. How's the therapy going?

>>108722462
I enjoy anime and vtubers, none of that (((western))) shit

>>108716209
that should be the basis of decision making.
>Does it piss off these fat fuck nerds?
>If yes then it's good.

>>108722173
>t. 1080p chudbox enjoyer
How about Intel newer than 9th gen? Non-integer-denominator HiDPI scaling? Literally any laptop worth using?

>>108722543
You have to understand these people can only afford $200 thinkpads

>>108722543
What you're saying is just outright untrue though. You have to ask yourself what kind of a complete fucking retard makes up reasons to hate a piece of software they don't even use, then goes online and spergs out about problems they have invented.

>>108715633
It's really nice. Love how it looks. Don't use it myself on my main PC (except the file manager) but my parents do. This is the worst website to ask for opinions on things since people will just make up random shit to justified their distaste.

>>108722543
All that works fine with cinnamon and x11. Try again jeet.

>>108721299
Too bad Debian is horribly outdated by design.
>It really hope the Mint team focuses more on it.
I hope they rebase vanilla Mint entirely on Debian and compile their own modern packages.

>>108715633
Does it support VRR? I don't care about HDR, but VRR is a must

>>108723141
Only when running exclusive fullscreen. The next version of Cinnamon will support direct scanout in Wayland, so it may finally be viable for gaming.

>>108723135
>Debian is horribly outdated
After years of using Linux I've come to learn that stability > everything else. Chasing the newest shit just for the sake of it is mental illness. Unless of course you have a specific need, i.e. newer hardware, a newly released feature or fixing an old bug. Debian being old and outdated is a fallacy, two years at the end of its cycle isn't that old desu. It's supposed to be a tried and true base. And for everything else there's flatpak, appimages and backports.

>>108723206
I've come to learn that two years is a whole lot in the Linux world. Whereas something can be expected to work on day one with Windows (and break later), Linux almost always approaches betterment, even for ancient hardware, e.g. full Vulkan support on Radeon HD 7000 GPUs in Linux 6.19.

>>108723141
VRR only works on X11 if you have a single display. Multi-display VRR is a long documented limitation of X11.

>>108723768
Yes, but that "betterment" doesn't come at the first iteration on an update. Each time you update the kernel, a driver, a package, there's a chance of breaking. There's a reason why Arch is never recommended for new users because things will break and you are expected to intervene and fix them. It's the reason why even Debian has a branch called Testing and Unstable, because things are very likely to break from time to time.
Two years is a in the linux world, yeah, but also in the linux world things don't just work from the get go. Behind each Stable release there's been tons of bug fixes tested by the users, and even then, there's always the chance of stuff not "just working".
It's also the reason stuff like snapper were created. So you can literally go back when an update inevitably fucks your system. It's delusional and disingenuous to claim otherwise.

>>108715633
Cinnamon is comfy but their file manager blows ass. Best to install Dolphin.

>>108716228
> It’s shit and unusable, much like Mint.
Works like any other distro.

> If you want a newbie OS, you use CachyOS.
If you are a gaymer

> Otherwise use Arch.
Tranny.

> KDE is the only Linux DE worth using.
True.

>>108715633
Cinnamon is good

>>108715633
its worse than xfce, but at least it works with nvidia

>>108717438
Ubuntu's switch to dracut has broken the only thing I wanted it for, I'm nearly pissed off enough to make an account with them to file a bug report so someone with more experience can fix this shit cause I can't figure out what broke.

>>108722570
Pretty much.
>>108722672
I used it. Cinnamon does not support tear-free on modesetting with fractional scaling on newer Intel graphics chips. GNOME, KDE and Windows have no problem with this.
>>108723104
Stop lying.

>>108715788
the breakage in rolling release distro came from upstream, from the distro itself
this just shows that archtard like you is dumb

>>108715633
>Blueman-manager is not responding.
>Blueman-manager is not responding.
>Blueman-manager is not responding.
>Blueman-manager is not responding.
Cinnamon is a bloated, sluggish joke. Ugly flatshit design, too.

>>108728848
>Cinnamon does not support tear-free on modesetting with fractional scaling on newer Intel graphics chips.
That's not what you said though. That's nothing like what you said. That's a niche usecase that we already know about, it will support fractional scaling with Wayland on the next version. Most people don't need it, if an integer value scaling is not good enough then you can adjust the size of text and just about every UI element anyway.

>>108729670
Yeah, I should have said fractional scaling. But besides that, it is what I said/meant.
>it will support fractional scaling with Wayland on the next version
I look forward to trying it out in December.
>you can adjust the size of text and just about every UI element anyway
Doing that often truncates text or makes things look ugly

>>108721979
>All of the lightweight options are missing functionality and look ugly without putting in significant setup time. And in the end you will still likely find the result is just 'good enough'. There is no legitimate reason for anyone to use anything other than KDE or Cinnamon for normal computer use in current year.
Holy shit this.
As much as I love the Thunar file manager, it's not worth the price of having to stare at XFCE all day long.
I use XFCE on my ancient laptop, but I'm sticking to Cinnamon for my desktop machine.

>>108722003
I'm not sure about new NTFS drives, but I think that mostly happens because Windows is a little pigger that molests the drives and Linux expects them to be clean.
I wouldn't say it's your fault per say. Just check the SMART data (or run chkdsk on Windows) and see if the drive is recoverable. If you plan on switching to Linux you should reformat to ext4 (or whatever Linux filesystem tickle your autism) and if you need both exFAT is safer.

You also want to make sure you disable Windows Fast Startup and Hibernation, since those tend to be problem causers. I just think Windows is specifically trying to fuck with dual booters. I had similar happen where Windows decided my drives needed to be fully rescanned every time I launch Windows and it would continuously try to cuck my Linux from having access to them.

I also think unmount/ejecting the drives before switching could potentially help as well.

>>108728848
>Cinnamon does not support tear-free
No need when the compositor does that for you.

>>108715633
>thoughts on cinnamon?
its fine
>does it run well over say KDE?
its fine

>>108721692
>i've used ubuntu for 10 years. They're never ditching apt for snaps you're schizo
Nary a Snap package on my Ubuntu servers.
>i've used gnome for 10 years. They're never ditching x11 for wayland
No Wayland on any of the PC I own and manage.
>i've used linux for 10 years. They're never ditching sysinit for systemd you're schizo
No systemd on my MX Linux and PCLOS boxes.