>AI is unprofitabl-
revenue is not profit ;)
up s
>>108717520with exponential revenue it will become profit soon
>>108717483Crazy how you are less intelligent than a crayon munching business major lol
>>108717604two more weeks?
>>108717604>with exponential revenue it will become profit soonOk, so I just need to make a business that has exponential revenue (never mind the expenses, those don't matter apparently!) and I'll make infinite money?
>>108717483>ELON SISTERS WHAT WENT WRONG
>>108717604So if you have a business selling people $5 bills for $1 all you need is enough customers and you'll make a profit?
>>108717483Investments don't count as revenue.
sorry trans freaks you lost
>>108717520every major company makes $0 or even negative profit so that they don't have to pay taxes. that does NOT mean they don't actually profit.
>>108717483>RevenueBait this shit should be a ban able offence.
There sure are a lot of economic luddites in chat here who are picking on you for posting revenue that don't understand how the real world works.
>>108717604Genuine retard
>>108718008Stop being a gender luddite
>>108717866Just pay yourself today with twice as much as you paid yourself yesterday. Better yet get a couple friends and pay eachother.
>>108717604That is unless the costs are more exponential.
>>108717483>revenuenow show expenses
>>108717483They havent published any revenue figures.
>>108717604Saaar
>>108717483>"ai is profitable">shows revenue>"revenue growth is exponential!">doesn't show how costs grow exponentially as wellit' amazing how every single pro ai jeet is just as retarded
>>108717604Trust the plan!
>>108718642Pay attention.
>>108718607Chart would be a>you appear to be trying to resize an image...Meme
>>108718759>revenue is 2 trillion dollars>profit is a trillion dollars>pay 0.5 trillion dollars in taxesvs>revenue is 2 trillion>"reinvest" 1.9 trillion into growth (datacenters, materials, salaries, etc)>profit is 0.1 trillion>pay 0.05 trillion in taxeswhich way white man? learn economics.
>>108718789>learn economics.>sells $450 in compute for $20Have I learned yet?
>>108717483now remove the subscription revenue
>>108718811citation
>>108717483>revenueHow about net profit, Devansh? Why is every neuron in that tadpole brain of yours focused on deceiving people, sometimes for no discernible advantage?Why are you wired that way, you retarded street-shitter?
>>108718826The intranet.
AfterhoursGoogle up 6 Msft down 2.5Amzn down 4The bubble has achieved le equilibrium
>>108717483Fake money, fake economy, fake country
>>108718843>>108717520>>108718062>>108718607>>108718759redditors were sent their talking point script.
>>108718869>everyone with a basic understanding of revenue - expenses is a redditorFIREWALL AROUND INDIA NOW!
>>108718869>basic observation that revenue is not profit and that AI comanies are burning cash like mad>hurr durr ur sent ur scriptwow man you really got me with that well constructed argument, backed by hard facts
>>108718869>call center toddler upset because he couldn't fool anyone.Why do you behave like this, you fucking mutant cockroach?
>>108718789>>"reinvest" 1.9 trillion into growth (datacenters, materials, salaries, etc)cute, but no.inference is running at a loss, their revenue plus a portion of investor money laying around is all being burned to produce tokens, even if you stop accounting for training and research.nothing is being "reinvested"
>>108718881now explain why a company working on extremely competitive cutting edge technology would focus its revenue on growth instead of profit.
>>108717604>it will become profit soon
>>108718917citation? oh right just like the last guy you don't have one. you're just repeating redditor talking points based on nothing except feels. also cute 4 responses in a row all conveniently timed with the posting timer.
>>108718920>cutting edge technology>let's throw 3 trillion covid dollars at an autocomplete and rug the boomers before their kids can inherit anything.This isn't a technology. It's a weapon of financial mass destruction.
>>108718920holy shit and they say AI can't make anything original or funny or soulful. the star of david near the bottom in the "Where did the money really go"my sides
>>108718929>everyone who calls me retarded is one guy
The point of ai isnt profitability. It is it's replacability.
>>108718958actually it's global domination of the economy, that's why the us government has given ai companies a blank cheque from the 6+ trillion treasury budget in a back room deal that the public will never learn about until the next presidency
>>108717604Are you expecting to overflow an integer?
>>108718971And choked off china's oil supply. But its also as a future replacement for us, because we all are useless eaters.
>>108718958>you see, these retarded investors are all willing to lose all their money so that Suzan from HR can continue vibe codingretarded cope
>>108718985And thats not what I said, now did I? Replacing all of them, so there isnt people to have to waste resources is the eventual goal.
>>108718953are there really 4 individuals who do not understand corporate economics and accounting on such a small board posting in such a short timeframe with similar postsor is it just one mentally ill guy posting 4 times?occam's razor gives me the answer.
>>108718998Says the retard who thinks companies planning to go public soon are sand bagging income and hiding it offshore.Says the retard that posted a graph of revenue for his profitability post. Says the retard who thinks "ai" is magical and useful.
>>108718789You realize you only get the tax break if the money is actually spent and you actually don't take a profit right? Otherwise your entire C-suite spends 20 years in prison for tax fraud.
>>108718998>4 individuals who do not understand corporate economics and accountingany one who's not mentally retarded or a streetshitting shill understands that companies slashing usage and dumbing down models are struggling to stay afloat, and any company not fully showing its revenue vs costs and their allocations despite the current bubble fears is definitely losing money on the product.the whole ai is a bubble and it makes no profit debate dies if one company shows that it's making money on inference, with a model that people actually used meaningfully like opus 4.6, but that will never happen.
>>108719038none of the three things you listed are real???try again
>>108719039Yes. What kind of idiot would take a profit in their situation? See >>108718920
>>108719039>>108718789You ALSO realize that a business inevitably needs to make a profit in order to deliver any returns to investors and therefore keep continued investment flowing in, right?
>>108719061>>>108719061Original argument
>>108719104>everyone who calls me retarded is the OPyou right now
>>108719114>everyone who is retarded is meYou always
>>108717483Anthropic is winning, but at what cost?
>>108719104this one is definitely not getting its rupees lmao
What does this "revenue" look like without government subsidies and back and forth hand offs between companies making 'deals'?
>>108719307you can't have negative revenue anon
>>108719307Revenue is already without government subsidies and investments.
>>108717604have you never ever hard the word "saturation"perpetual exponential growth does not even exist in the real world
>>108719339I'm not an accountant but I'm pretty sure that there are things that would count towards revenue with a negative sign, stuff like credit invoices.
>nigger discovers spending, orgasms
>>108717483Only Luddites think that ai is a bubble
Just 2 more 10s of billions and we reach AGI.
>>108717604Sigmoid at best
>>108720126I now think this bot is actually anti-AI.If so this is one of the most clever and impressive satires I've ever witnessed around here.
>>108717483>>108717604how do retards like this even find this place?>>108718062it's supposed to be. I got warned for "trolling" about an hour ago
>>108720213High iq Luddite reply
>>108720253There's hundreds of them in stinky Indian and Eastern European spam farms pushing whatever paid jewish narrative of the day. Vaccines, net neutrality, George Floyd, I'm with her, ai isn't a scam, crypto spam, black penises, the list goes on.
>>108717604That's pretty good bait.
>>108720325I've been thugposting since 2004 and I'm as white american as it gets.
>>108720325>t.botoh, yeah, it's not like Weev, Thiel, Musk & co have their own bot armies and have influenced 4chan for more than a decade. of course it's only libruls.
>muh inference isnt profitable!!!! 2 more weeks till the bubble pops!!its literally just running a model on a gpu, its as expensive as electricity (ie cheap). holy shit people are so retarded.
>>108719613we're still at take off btw
>>108718920>now explain why a company working on extremely competitive cutting edge technology would focus its revenue on growth instead of profit.so you just want to be spoonfed?the irony here being: you are so fucking retarded, you couldn't ask some random LLM or google it.
>>108720907it was a blatantly obvious rhetorical question you absolute dumbass
>>108717483it is not a bubble .... until it bursts.Mind showing the debt all these AI companies accumulated?
>>108718920>>108718951
>>108717483All this graph communicates to me is that we are very close to a collapse
>>108720863>its as expensive as electricityWhy aren't any AI companies profitable then?
>>108720863>ignores the fact that all AI companies need a shit ton of investor money constantlyyeah they are turning a profit for sure. why are you regards coping so hard? Who would want big tech & AI to win this badly? Are you a clanker burner?
>>108722504up front capex + model trainingif everyone declared a truce right now and stopped shipping new models, they would be amongt the most profitable companies on earth.
>>108722583>if everyone declared a truce right now and stopped shipping new models, Then why don't they try doing that? They've already hit diminishing returns on model size to performance.
>>108722731every year for the last 3 years:- we've crammed more intelligence into small models- the fat models have gotten smarter- the small models have eventually caught up to the previous fat modelwhy stop now, when you're this close to finding out if you can build godit would be irrational
>>108717604
>>108722791I don't trust AI companies testing their own models on tests they've come up with themselves, or letting "experts" they've picked test their models. Once the public actually get access to those models, they find that they're barely an improvement over previous models. The consensus in the field is that LLMs are a dead end to AGI(if such a thing is even possible).
I have a dollar to sell you, 50 cents each.
There is no point making profit at this stage. Profit means returning money for the owners. Profit also means paying taxes. It's better to keep investing in business so it can collect more revenues and destroy competition.
>>108723338>Profit also means paying taxes.Taxes get paid on revenue, not profit.
>>108723350>Taxes get paid on revenue, not profit.You can't be this dumb.>>108717483We went this same exact cycle over last 15 years with 'big tech'Dumb people were telling big tech was a bubble because they kept investing more and more on infrastructure instead of returning profit.
I'm kind of impressed, that's $7 per person per year.
>>108722583I don't believe this. At a minimum those kinds of margins are unsustainable for open model hosting. There is no real barrier to entry as anyone with the requisite technical expertise could setup an open model on cloud GPUs and sell tokens from it, so profit should approach zero as more competitors enter the space.
Is counting investment as revenue even legal?
>>108723815go out and try and buy or rent some gpus rnsee how it goes for you lol
>>108723815>profit should approach zero as more competitors enter the spaceYou assume government will allow competitors.
>>108717604> The budget will balance itself
>>108717604>if I make infinite money, I will have infinite money!Nice day dreaming you have there.
>>108723833I'm not sure, circular deals shouldn't count as revenue either, if Nvidia invests $10 billion in OpenAI, OpenAI then uses that $10 billion to buy Nvidia chips, Nvidia counts that as revenue, even though they gave out chips for free.
>>108717483>doesn't understand the difference between revenue and profit.If i sell you 1 billion crayons, they cost me 2$ to make and you buy them for 1$, I've lost a billion dollar even if i made 2B in revenue.
>>108717483>annualized reveneactual meme metric
>>108718869Show the revenue.
>>108718917>inference is running at a losslol based retard.
>>108723496You're both retarded.I can tell you were born after Sarbanes-Oxely and know absolutely nothing about tech bubbles.
>>108718869>>108718008you aren't from this board nor have you ever been a regular here. revenue != profit. implicitly it's literal lolcows retards like Kavala*, paid shills, trolls (>>108720213 (idc. still not standing for retards shitting all over my board)), /g/reiving /utwg/cels trying to filter idiots out of being employable, indians, aliens (e.g., you) or moron brainlets who don't understand jackshit whom shill for this.they promised their solutions to be a logical panacea for all of the intellectual processing of man despite it's severe limitations. whilst the mean or even median populace remains to be intechnically inept and decadent to the point where they don't even understand the very basics of it. ignorant/unbeknowst to them the fact that inspite of their best efforts and investments to make it more efficient, the opposite has occured**they let it be spread onto their kind for free at the cost of scarring them, blood letting (venture capital investment for) themselves to bleed (wasting money) for the ritual (making normies dependant on it) in the hopes that in exchange for their blood (money), mind (research, intellect, brainstorming, etc) and soul (their workforce) that someday they'll be granted profitability or at the very least be bailed out by the fed. (as is with OpenAI) failure for the fed or normies to bail them out will result in them becoming even more hypersensitive, desperate and scar sighted in contrast to how they are right now. they already spend a stupid fortune on just PR bc it's that bad.*yes he's been here for a while (look up his uni location on desuarchive)**https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/illusion-of-thinkinghttps://www.ibm.com/think/news/apple-llm-reasoninghttps://futurism.com/apple-damning-paper-ai-reasoning>>108720656it'd be so fucking stupid if Andrew Aurenheimer's 4'9" Jewish arse is dicking around and sticking his cock in this Indian infested, autist and pedo containmentment niggerhell o algo lmao
>>108717483>>108718098 >>108718998 if the revenue (r) > losses (l) then only will it be considered to be profit. r-l<0, l>r, r∈R, l∈R they're bleeding money and it's unprofitable. but no you only have to post their revenue as a non sequitor means of deceiving retards who conflate the two.nice party trick or something.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/red_herring >>108718008why state the obvious? Sam Altman is quite literally a faggot who likes it up the anus, Elon is a tranime pfp bullied sick excuse of a loser that seeks attention and has a tranny son. remind me as to how much are you being paid for this again Ivan, i know that you're probably a Russian or something operating out of a troll farm.
>>108718920the vast majority of costs are taken on by the consumer/enterprise side and not on business to business transactions.the aforementioned intercorporate fellating circlejerk still will create debt, it doesn't necessarily generate any real profit and thus the debt shall not be paid. just a reminder that air ≠ money.their primary goal rn with the venture capital investment is profit and not R&D.>>108718929he doesn't necessarily even need one for that it's implicit, you ESL pajeet. (e.g., >>108718862 + see above)>>108718958it hallucinates, has deleted several codebases arbitrarily, makes them bloated for no reason, gave it's users schizophrenia whilst degrading their ability to learn properly, folds under heat with any actual leetcode questions and requires the entire water supply of Lesotho whilst destroying the environment.
>>108719167 smaller corpos like Anthropic that didn't subject themselves to public prostitution (e.g., with OpenAI) themselves will get of this one being less fucked assuming that the fed doesn't bail OpenAI. idk about Anthropic specifically im guessing that they might be much better off>>108723496 ev&oe they had profit?>>108718994just delusional. people will waste resources as long as they live. go to >>>/x/ or >>>/sci/ >>108719061 see >>108718920
>>108717483Wow! All of those combined would net a 0.8% return on investment!You could have employed over 9 million people at $250,000 a year in that timeline. I wonder how much revenue they could have generated.
>>108724981didn't bother reading your tumblr post after the first five words. try again. >>108725021>LIKELY was profitable>*ESTIMATED >ESTIMATESyou're a waste of bytes bro
>>108717483
>>108725459good ad, here is 24 us cents
>>108725450>"didn't bother reading your tumblr post after the first five words. try again."read a real book, you retarded sped ape. this statement of yours by itself serves a testament to why anything that you declare shouldn't even be held into consideration of being the synthesis of a competently functioning being.you're illiterate. you got filtered by fucking words yet you have the gall to speak upon AI as if you're some all knowing shaman, in the face of /g/entoomen. >>LIKELY was profitable>>*ESTIMATED >>ESTIMATESyet they're still burning money, operating at a significant loss that keeps increasing YoY, quarter after quarter. but alas no, you must keep preaching Aryanism with AI generated cat snails, sonnenrads and shitting on trannies as you praise the gay jew Altman. you must be desperate to stoop this low for a paycheck. what shithole do you hail from, anon?
>>108725546yeah still didn't read any of that until the end. >yet they're still burning money, operating at a significant loss that keeps increasing YoYpost an actual source of this information.spoiler: you can't
Please pay for Mistral or Von der Leyen will haunt you in your dreams.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ECONOMY/AI-INVESTMENT/gkvlqbgxkpb/
>>108719967exponential decay, on the other hand
>>108718027this is just blatantly untrue for the vast majority of business actually listed on the stock market and likely not the case for private companies eitherthere are ways to dodge taxes other than by having less profit than expenditure
>>108717483well that revenue spike for antrhopic is only temporary
>>108725546>yet they're still burning money, operating at a significant loss that keeps increasing YoY, quarter after quarter.here's a very real and true source for this factoid to blow that nerd (who totally isn't me) out of the water!
>>108725879and another source!
>Strip out “compute for research,” and OpenAI is actually on track to turn a small pretax operating profit this year, as is Anthropic under its best-case scenario. Add it back in, and OpenAI doesn’t expect to break even until the 2030s.If you just ignore spending on training and count inference as the only spending then we make profit. Simple.
>>108718869good goy take out lots of debt, compound interest surely isn't expontential
>>108717483Anthrophic literally charges you 10 times more for 1% better kimi 2.6.No shit they are making crazy revenue already.
>>108719081>that a business inevitably needs to make a profit in order to deliver any returns to investors and therefore keep continued investment flowing in, right?not true. buying stock doesn't necessarily guarantee any kind of return
>>108719081>investorsWhat investors? You're buying magic numbers in the spreadsheet, gambler.
>>108717483a handful of mega corps do business with each other and choose winners and losers. They will choose which ai companies succeed and which one's fail.
>>108717483>xAI>Zai
>>108717483Yes.
I wonder what Ferrari's profit margins are
>>108717483Company A takes out a $1 billion loanCompany A invests $1 billion in Company BCompany B invests $1 billion in Company ACompany A and Company B both have $1 billion in revenue with $0 net income (profit).
>>108718920>picrelwouldnt the sister and related companies have to pay taxes instead?
>>108717604kek!
