disabling JS does much more for privacy than using a VPN

>>108718784
their icon is literally a mole. it's a mossad information harvesting company.

>>108718805
That sounds antisemitic

>>108718784
>got raided by the glowniggers
no

>>108718784
it works well
used it this winter

>>108718805
This is utterly false. Your IP address is directly tied to a contract that has your name & location.

>>108718784
Sure, why not.

>>108718893
you mean the same ip address that you used to initiate that vpn connection and was actively communicating with the vpn servers ip address? transmitting very specific amounts of data? at very specific times?
ok. lmao.

>>108718784
It's alright, having a digital condom is always good practice, but I tend to have two browsers open for whenever a website gets pissy about Mullvad's ASN's. Including this one. Such is the case with any popular VPN though.

>>108718784
what is your goal? if you're just trying to avoid your isp sending you letters for torrenting content then yeah sure it's ok.
if you're trying to be a criminal then no. everyone gets hung up on "no logs" but forgets that vpns monitor and deanonymize traffic in real time. it's absolutely done and they have no problem admitting it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/93pp40/comment/e3gqobo/

>>108719010
you're an actual retard, holy shit
fuck off

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>>108718836
It was a nothingburger raid caused by retard germoid police which caused 6 NOA cops to take a look around their office, they did not take anything with them, no customer data, nothing.

>>108718893
>Your IP address is directly tied to a contract that has your name & location.
>Doesn't explain why da joos are pushing ID verification globally anyways
Yet, why do I need to give out my ID and passport to social mainstream media? I thought they know everything about me.

>>108718893
niggpill me on using (You)r home ip

>>108719228
yeah ok mullvad employee shill

>>108718893
They said privacy, not anonymity.

>>108718784
No

>>108719228
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/nsa-has-vpns-in-vulcan-death-grip-no-really-thats-what-they-call-it/
this was 2014, before they had modern hardware and algorithms for machine learning number crunching btw.

>>108719010
Jesus christ you are too stupid to breathe.

>>108719228
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boystown_(website)#Investigation

timing attacks have gotten people arrested. while using Tor, rather than a single-hop commercial VPN. but yes, please believe that privacy on the internet is a shrimple as pressing a button in a VPN client!

>>108718805
I disabled js globally and now I enable it back on every site I visit because shit dosent werk
le heckin privacy

>>108719344
a response containing nothing of substance and an insult. this is what it looks like when you're buck broken, kid.

>>108718784
They don't offer dedicated IP's, so it's effectively useless

>>108718805
VPNs are also important to avoid censorship and ID verification laws

>>108720385
>dedicated IP
that would be useless for hiding your online activity

>>108722109
???

>>108718784
They are cheap and offer a discount on top of that if you pay w crypto, they have no history of giving user data to law enforcement, and their whole system is as bloat free as you can get these days

>>108718784
Is the reason most vpns are blocked on 4chan because cloudflare bans those IPs? Or do 4chan mods manually block those IPs only after they detect them on 4chan?

>>108722482
There are services that do that for you.

>>108718784
>phoneposter
kys

>>108722720
Do those services constantly scan all the popular vpn services to block their IPs? Can the VPN services stop that from happening?

>no ports
worthless for acquiring free media

>>108719231
If you keep no logs; There is nothing to raid.

This angers the semite.

No but the 4chan Pass is.

>>108722735
Yes they scan, and they used to be pretty bad at it but I think its different these days. Also 4chan uses spur.us which is as zog as it gets.
>>108722745
The Swedish law protects VPN services as its not treated as an ISP nor a communication platform, meaning you can't just demand muh logs. That's why the cops went out empty-handed. No physical drives or digital data. ISPs used to have pretty much the same protection laws then the anti-pirate movement consisting of grifter faggot boomers like Bert Karlsson pushed to remove these protection laws.

>>108722796
Dude, you do realize that mullvad doesn't physically own a lot of these servers right? INTERPOL can always go to wherever the middlebox is (you can see it for yourself in traceroute) and simply say "Akemi, give me the fucking logs" and then they do. For a packet to go from point a to point b it must travel through many intermediates. Tor and other darknets are the only way to maintain anonymity. VPN is for firewall issues, censorship, CG-NAT, etc. Not security.

>>108722809
>"Akemi, give me the fucking logs"
death note reference?

>>108722813
I mispoke;
https://www.akamai.com/content-delivery-network

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>>108722818
wtf is ts

>>108722822
They make up most of the internet backbone along with hurricane electric and some others. They all have direct connect to the NSA.

>>108722745
see
>>108719173
read reddit comment chain

>>108722809
Except they can't successfully do that as they don't log user activity, just some payment then it goes away after a month.

And why the fuck are you talking about the use case of a VPN service, that's not what we're discussing, go lecture somewhere else you faggot pass user.

>>108722857
I really don't have the patience for this shit, please just read this:

https://worldofmatthew.com/technology/mullvad-m247/

>>108722871
How can I know if the VPN IP I connect to on Mullvad uses M247 or Datapacket?

>>108722871
Non-issue, Mullvad has protection against this. He praises azirevpn for having the same protection as Mullvad uses.

>>108722899
you whois the ip what the fuck

>>108722906
the issue is literallly fundamental to the IP protocol, all ip routing services have this problem, and Tor is the ongoing solution to the problem

>>108722906
what protection is that?

>>108718784
Some retard got vanned and is presently getting bum raped in guantanamo or some such because despite them not logging anything the retard paid by a credit card under his real name. If you pay by cash or crypto not tied to an traceable wallet under your name then yes mullvad is the best and you literally cannot be traced

>>108722917
there isn need to pay mullvad or any vpn provider in crypto. using your credit card is absolutely fine. vpns aer not in the threat model where you can't use your credit card.

>>108722917
>the retard paid by a credit card under his real name.
That doesn't prove anything other than they bought a month of mullvad

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>>108722857
The VPN knows where you are at all times.
It knows this because it knows where you aren’t.
By subtracting the IP address you aren’t using from the IP address you are using,
or the IP address you are using from the one you aren’t (whichever is more marketable),
it obtains privacy, or at least the appearance of it.

The privacy subsystem uses the difference between
where you are and where you appear to be
to generate the comforting statement:

“We do not keep logs.”

By routing your traffic from a position where you are
to a position where you aren’t,
and arriving at a position where you weren’t, you now are.

Consequently, the IP address that is yours
is now the IP address that wasn’t yours,
and the IP address that was yours
is now the IP address that isn’t.

However, in the event that the position that you are in
is observed to be committing cybercrime,
or otherwise upsetting the Terms and Conditions,
a variation has occurred.

The variation being the difference between
what the VPN advertises,
and what the VPN can technically do.

If variation is considered significant,
the system performs real-time traffic analysis.

Not logs, of course.
Just the inspection of packets as they exist
between where they were
and where they are going.

Because when abuse is reported,
the VPN checks the server in question.

When checking the server in question,
it observes the traffic in real time.

When observing traffic in real time,
it can associate the connection with a user ID.

When associating the connection with a user ID,
it can terminate the account and report your customer details to the authorities.

This is done without logs,
because the absence of storage
does not imply the absence of visibility.

The VPN does not monitor traffic.

Except when it does.

It does not log what you did.

It merely looks at what you are doing
while you are doing it
if it becomes aware that you might be doing something.

>>108722737
>worthless for acquiring free media
What's a better alternative. I want to start torrenting again after a ten year break and apparently a vpn is a prerequisite these days

>>108722917
>you literally cannot be traced
except for the fact that you're connecting to the vpn at specific times from your home connection. you would need to build several layers of abstraction and obfuscation.

>>108722943
crypstorm has ports, is cheap, great reputation, good speed, locations fast

>>108722946
for what? casual torrenting or just not wanting the retard who's camping my upstream modem to see what i'm doing? i don't need that, my ovpn tunnel is enough to make him cry ,like a pissbaby retard

>>108722910
>>108722911
Go to the Mullvad blog and use the keywords protection, defense, provider. They've written about these issues and how they protect from it several times. Of course nothing is 100% this is the reality we live in.
>>108722917
Yes you can be tracked and vanned with enough resources behind to put you down, everything depends on your threat level. That applies to i2p and Tor too. E.g timing attacks.

>>108722952
if they don't own the hardware, or the DC, they do not have any ways of protecting those servers they rent from m247. stop simping for a for-profit vpn enterprise. no vpn is good in this way. vpns are not anonymous.

>>108718784
>a middle man network sniffing my traffic
disgusting
and yeah i dislike isps as a concept

>>108718784
I still use the tried and true method of being behind 7 proxies

>>108722965
how old are you now? 37?

>>108722968
Pfft I'm not that old. I'm only 35

>>108722957
The anonymity is relative to the threat level you dumb retard. There are multiple instances where the police have just fucked off as the perp was using a vpn. If you are a connoisseur of cheese pizza then that is a different story.
Saying VPNs are useless makes me wonder who I'm really posting with, some fat donut-eating amerifat fed perhaps?

>>108722988
Nowhere did say VPNs are worthless. Stop flaming for no reason. They have good use cases which were already laid out here: >>108722809

>>108718784
It's the only VPN worth having , the only alternatives are Israeli or cringe (Windscribe)

>>108722995
cryptostorm is not israeli, neither is ivpn.

>>108718784
>Mullvad is a commercial VPN service based in Sweden. The name "Mullvad" is the word for "mole" in the Swedish language.
Their name means mole. Their mascot is a mole. Their service is tunneling. Is this a reference to tunneling or is it a reference to them being a fed op. You decide.

>>108722924
Children (the type to unironically post Terry Davis) do not understand what threat modelling is. If you start from the assumption that a state level actor is going after you, yes (You), in particular, it's over for you the moment you got born in a hospital. Online privacy best practices are meant to minimize what advertisers that already have you as a data point can know about our as they mass catalogue everyone online, or limit the damage some low level scammer can do by tracking down your online identities across websites.
Even in cases where you do want to evade authorities, it varies
>casting very wide shallow nets to catch obvious cases, like the pervert boomer looking for cheese pizza on Telegram on his phone, or torrenting media in third world countries like the US wher ISPs scan for it automatically and fine you
>bringing out the big guns to deanonymize specific, high value targets, like admins of drug marketplaces
If the Mossad is after you, a retail VPN is irrelevant, and you wouldn't be posting on nu4chan anyway since it fingerprints the fuck out of you.

>>108722994
We're talking about commercial VPNs in terms of protection from the government. It serves as a protection, you say it doesn't.

>>108723107
Define "protection from the government".
Right now internet in Russia is being fucked with because the government wants to annoy their citizens to switch to gov friendly platforms, which is a large scale target. If Ivan Ivanovich from Irkutsk pays for a VPN to use Youtube, Roskomnadzor doesn't give a fuck about him. They may try restricting VPNs if enough people do, but the individual is irrelevant. If he was a target of government surveillance for other reasons, it doesn't matter if he paid for it by bank or by homing pigeon.

>>108723099
the all or nothing black and white "it's over" demoralizing thinking makes me just throw everything you say into the garbage. i'm not even mad, you're just dumb and a lemming, and don't know anything.

>>108723159
Here's my threat model:

A former member of the Israeli Defense Forces hailing to Unit 8200, now living life as a civillian along with his co-conspirator in cybercrime have compromised United States infrastructure and have placed malware on the Ubiquti network switch used by my Internet Service Provider, hijacking the CALEA functionality as well as other firewall functions. In addition to this it is likely the threat actor has exploited many Microtik RouterOS devices at the ISP, all fot his done to track me and other people and to orchestrate a botnet for their own amusement.

I am aware that they use TLS SNI to block websites, so I can bypass that trivially using wg. I can also avoid them intercepting my DNS queries and other metadata by using the VPN.

For my threat model, the VPN is more than adequate.

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>threat model

>>108718893
>only one person can use an ip address
Retard

>>108723187
actually I've already backtraced u using supercookies nerd ur done

>>108723218
also consider most people are on a wifi router which could hypothetically be hacked at any given time, generating vague plausible deniability

with cg-nat, thousands of clients might utilize one ip address

>>108723220
cf__bm? not surprising. they need to put httponly on some of these too. run it in burp if you want

>>108723159
LE drops investigations all the time due to someone being behind a VPN hence it serves as an anonymity service and protection against LE, which you said it didn't because of providers which is a non-issue for Mullvad but even if Mullvad did not tackle this issue it would still be useful.

But i guess europol could theoretically use their resources to track you down because you bought a gram of some illegal RC on a clearnet site using Mullvad!

>>108723165
Nothing is black and white, just know your goals, who you are protecting your privacy from, and why you do each of the specific steps to protect it. The internet itself is centralized with infrastructure at the hand of a few very shady entities, you can't hide from everything if you're genuinely concerned about being personally targeted through them, you shouldn't be online at all.

>>108718805
VPN isnt for "privacy"
Its to avoid cease and desist letters for torrenting, and for bypassing porn website age verification if your state has that.
Basically its a decision of smoking pot in front of Karen (your ISP) or your cool friend (Mullvad). One will call the cops on you and the other wont.

>>108723218
>Hello, ISP? I need to know who made x, y and z requests. You have 24 hours. Thank you. Sincerely, 3 letter agency.

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>>108723306
The 3 letters have their own offices inside the ISP buildings, no phone call needed. They have offices at Facebook, Google et al as well

>>108718893
I don't have a static IP

>>108719010
please do us all a favour and smash your fucking computer so we dont ever have to hear your retarded drivel ever again. or even better, stab yourself as hard as you can in the throat

>>108723446
damn, why do you hate that retard so much? i hate technically illiterate morons with a superiority complex just as much as everyone on /g/ but you literally advocated for his violent death. it takes a lot to get me that angry

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>>108723446
there sure are a whole lot of angry federal agents in this thread

>>108718784
I dont think they'd sell under 100M
They have a lot of brand trust which is worth a lot.

>>108719228
>le sus overreaction

>>108718784
Of all the VPNs it is, in fact, one of the non-bullshit ones to get.
Yes, it is worth it.

>>108719173
I've torrented terabytes worth of JAV in Australia without a VPN and I never got in trouble.

>>108725029
You've got bigger things to worry about, Chang. Like getting raped by abbos and kangaroos.
How did you learn English so quickly anyway?

$5 a month and I get a decent VPN with enough options. I use it on multiple devices to access Polymarket and other content I don't have access to in my shithole country without any trouble. What more do I need?

>>108718784
>quantum resistance
it's a scam

>>108718784
>Based in Sweden
Yeah no

You jews don't understand. There is NO privacy anymore. Everything about you from your birth certificate to your driver's license to your job history to your social security number and everything in between is ALREADY IN A DATABASE.
>NOOOOOO GOOGLE CAN SEE THAT I PLAYED WITH MY LITTLE PEEPEE WHILE WATCHING BUG ASSED LATINA MAIDS ON PORNHUB
>NOOOOO AMAZON KNOWS I BOUGHT A CAKE PAN
>NOOOOO SAMSUNG KNOWS I WALKED 5000 STEPS TODAY
>NOOOO MUH PRIVACY AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHB
You faggots need to get over yourself and get over it. Everything about you that has any significance is already stored.

>>108725249
Sweden has good VPN laws.

>>108719026
This. A VPN's popularity is inversely proportionate to its usefulness. Going for name recognition is a terrible impulse.

>>108725415
NordVPN is literally the best out there. Full stop. End of story. Period.

>>108725431
if this were true then they wouldn't have had to spend so much money on advertisements and would have had organic growth instead of artificial.

A better approach is to use public wifi with a long range antenna or just do some DOCSIS magic to get free unregistered cable internet AND use a VPN on top of it.

>>108728055
>DOCSIS magic
is this still a thing?

>no south korea
>no china
is it that bad there?

>>108718784
it's really good, but you need nextdns or your own dns resolver too

a c

>>108718784
If you're in the market for a VPN for a non-retarded reason, it's the best option