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Sell me on atomic distros. I am a Series Business™ user with a 300 IQ, is this the future of the linux desktop? Any major disadvantages in going down this road?
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>>108719212
If your work is in a web browser and your setup just werks without any fiddling after installation, sure this shit's great.
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I think it's especially great for public and school computers that need extra protection from someone screwing things up.
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>>108719413
this can be accomplished with user accounts and folder permissions
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It is intended for Series Business Customers™ with 400 IQ that pretend to have 40 IQ. Is you this?
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>>108719212
this is what linux will be for the majority of future users (schools, businesses, handhelds, etc). It's like if nixos and chromebooks had a baby...immutable, easy to admin/deploy (custom images), safe for users, etc.
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>>108719212
waiting for a good immutable distro that's not from IBM's lap dog
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>>108719212
Yes if you mean immutable there is declarative and image-based which is the IBM trash you posted is the latter.

>>108719765
It's called Guix. Not everyone can accept that truth though.
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>>108719212
atomic distros are retarded on the desktop and everywhere else too really. only steamos is allowed.
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>>108719765
>IBM's lap dog
>>108719909
>IBM trash
Series Business™ customers like IBM.

>>108719679
If we’re being totally “series” I may have embellished the number, but it’s higher than 40 and lower than 300.
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>>108719212
>is this the future of the linux desktop?
Yes
>Any major disadvantages in going down this road?
Yes, tons.
I really love atomic Fedora distros, especially Universal Blue shit. But for now you should stick to traditional distros. Immutable/atomic are not ready yet and many of their "advantages" don't really work like they'd like you to believe. For now is something for developers only.
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I'm scared. this atomic shit will soon be used to lock down linux and the things you can do with it. sorry but I ove having access to the system partition
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>>108720636
>Answering a post without even saying anything.
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>>108719765

there are other than ibm like unisys
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>>108719909
>Guix
In theory, yes. In practice, NixOS.
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>>108719765
Open SUSE MicroOS
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>>108719212
It is the future. Traditional Linux will still exist as a foundation, and used by devs and tinkerers (though you can argue that custom image building will be a new method of tinkering).

Atomics solves issues chasing users away from Linux. They don't want to grind through dependency hell to get apps/functionalities running, they don't want bloat of forgotten dependencies, they don't want major upgrades to be a system-breaking risk. Majority of users want stability and don't want to spend a lot of time tinkering or fixing things. Atomics allows devs/maintainers to both provide stability and make big changes to the operating system.

This is essentially the same system that allows macOS, iOS, and Android to be stable. Even if there are update issues in the Atomic distro, they are designed to have rollback fail-safes to the previous stable version.

There are two prominent models for immutable/Atomic distros: Fedora bootc (bootable image containers), and the declarative NixOS code configurations. Not only are they amazing for sysadmins applying updates and consistency to many computers (France is planning to make a NixOS config to shift government computers away from Microsoft for example), but they allow more creativity and experimentations in personal-use distros. Atomic distros don't need to be boring government/office computers, but opinionated while maintaining stability. Bazzite (the famous SteamOS-like gaming distro) and Blue95 (recreation of Windows 95) are both bootc projects built on Atomic Fedora, yet they are very different.

As long as you are fine mostly using Flatpaks and Distrobox container builds for new app installations, the disadvantages are that new tools and documentations will need to be developed to make custom Atomic OS building more accessible and user-friendly (you need to learn a new programming language for NixOS for example), and for now Nvidia users will need to get a version that pre-includes Nvidia drivers.
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>>108720679
Exactly. The atomic format really just comes off like an attempt to out Apple Apple. Mac computers already feel like running a computer where someone else is the adminitrator. On Mac you need to use a terminal command to unlock the UI option in the settings to allow 3rd party apps and you simply cannot do a lot of administrative tasks on Mac even with sudo. Flatpaks are just an improvement on Mac's .app. Systemd is literally inspired by launchd from Mac. Gnome feels like it's meant to be an evolution of the MacOS DE. Almost all of Red Hat and freedesktop.org's contributions to GNU/Linux have been attempts to Mac-ify it. The most generous interpretation is that they want to make a better Mac. The least is that they are Macfags that are pissy they didn't get a job at Apple, so they're turning GNU/Linux into Mac.
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>>108719212
Atomic distros are a fucking meme. They don't solve any real problem as the system can still break and push buggy updates in which case you're double fucked since you have to roll back the entire system, pin your image, and wait for a fix from the devs. Instead of just making a snapshot and fixing the problem. If there is even one.
Whole system breaking updates have been a non issue for years now, especially if you stick to lts or a non-spastic update cadence.
Furthermore, they make the last 30 years of package management unaccessible which is plain stupid. And no, layering only makes your system more prone to breaking than using chaoric AUR, hilarious.
On TOP of that, if you say "distrobox" or "home brew" then you either know jackshit and just parroting, or are a dev far from a regular user living in an echo box. Containers are a great idea, and when they work they're amazing. That's it WHEN they work, which is rare. Even Linux experts are having hard times meaning containers fully work. They're simply not ready for daily use. You can't expect non devs or normies to fiddle with the terminal or the totally incomplete/undocumented GUI tools just to install some freaking fonts on their system.
Also...
>automatic updates
What's this, fucking windows?? I swear to god only a microslop employee like that universal blue faggot could be behind this. And yet people :O out of their minds.
>Systemd
>Age verification
>Automatic updates
>AI/Rust in the kernel
Nu-Linux, man...
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>>108720679
Imagine letting some unknown faggot pushing shit to your computer daily on reboot. Nothing bad could come out of that right?
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>>108722226
>On Mac you need to use a terminal command to unlock the UI option in the settings to allow 3rd party apps
not true



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