In my slavic shithole gigabit internet through fiber link is around 9-10 bucks monthly. Why can't the US despite being a so called first world country achieve this level of convenience?
Get outta here, Romanian Gyppo. Shoo! Shoo!
>>108722545I ask myself that question every day
because corpo-lobbied gubberment
im paying $120 a month to have my connection throttled to 16Mbit lol
>>108722545Shut the fuck up faggot.Here in Scandinavia it's 60€ a month for 1 Gbps fiber.
>>108722593>I'm 6x richer than the average Slav but my gbit fiber is slightly more expensive
>>108722559Beware burger. Romanians can curse you and you will need to collect their gypsy tears to break it
>>108722545thanks for your review, anon! since you brag with such pride and arrogance, we've decided to fuck you over and make your net expensive as fuck in about 5 to 10 years. we sure are going to enjoy extra tax too because fuck you forever>t. your government
>>108722545Are you from Russia? If so, why do you need a gigabit, if you can't visit many websites, because they are banned in your country?
Its funny they say its because america is so big but even in big cities internet is out the ass expensive in America to even get symmetrical gigabitFuck america.Also you can't walk outside and you have to drive 25 miles everytimr to the grocery store
>>108722727russia isn't known for it's fast cheap internet seething nafoidin fact it's known for being well behind most of eastern europe and even the usthey seem to be worse off nowadays with solid chunks of sea and latin america doing better
>>108722727Is this a genuine question?
With each passing day I get closer to actually calling the guy and having him fix the issue, whatever it is. Stop talking about it.
same as germany, earlier adoption plus privatization means investment in copper infrastructure and its not bad enough for either private or public fiber initiatives. i'm pretty sure i'll never get fiber in my flat since i already have docsis
>>108722593 >>108722605>60€Here In Switzerland, that's the price for 25/25gbit unlimited p2p (not p2mp) residential internet with free choice of router and basically anything else as it should be. Because not everyone wants to get 25/25gbit routing hardware it's also 10/10gbit.
>>108722860we also had copper infrastructure in Switzerland, nearly everyone had docsisbut we just decided to do fiber (and P2P fiber) because fuck doing a shit job that has downsides for SME, government and non-government organzations and private people. I mean, it obviously IS a pretty large difference in the end.
>>108722545i live in a 500k+ city in goymany and have 32mbit max over telephone copper from 1951.AMA
>>108722545Because the US is now a scam to serve up customers to companies on a silver platter
>>108722545If only all the major ISPs in the US had something in common. You know, like if all their CEOs or Presidents all belonged to a certain religion.
>>10872281425 miles would be nice, I have to go 60 miles to the nearest walmart. 25 miles only gets me to the local mom and pop general store. Property was only $180k though. 25 acres in the woods with two ponds and a massive cedar cabin with one of the ponds right behind the house. Central AC, solar panels, 7 days of powerwall backup, life is good.
>>108723072Oy vey it's antisemitic to question your corporate overlords.
>>108723142oh forgot this was a thread about fiber. I can't get that so I have to use starlink :)
>>108722889that's nice but don't you need to invest in an expensive network card too?imo useless unless you download shit tons on the daily and even so, gigabit is probably fine
>>108722545might have to do with your shithole having a surface of 100k sq while the US has 10m
>>108722545If something is low cost then burgers perceive it as low class. I work at a luxury car dealership and customers get offended if you try to find them a discount. "do i look poor to you? i make more money than you, nigga!" this is how balenciaga et al stay in business. burgers would rather wear shitty $10k bedazzled crocs, than good $200 shoes.tldr americans are "nigger rich"
>>108723108>muh Indian CEOsmore importantly, what ethnicity are the actual owners?
>>108722545Probably because an American city has more/same amount of people than an entire EU country.
American here. My fiber connection is $0.>nuh-uh!Yep.
>>108723455That should make it cheaper, not more expensive. Flat costs spread across more users. Stupid zoomer.
>>108723481Ah yes, it should be cheaper because we have to cover more land.Stop using that buzzowrd, you're most likely below 25.
>>108723490>one city is more land than a European nationOh I see, brain damage, got it.
>>108723445I said religion, no mention of Indians. Indians run tech companies, not ISPs. Last time I checked people like Brian L. Robert, Dan Schulman, and Eric Zinterhofer weren't Indian.
>>108722545I pay around 20$ for this in Hungary.Is this good or bad on western standards?
>>108723513The Dallas-FW area is bigger than Denmark, Netherlands, and Switzerland.
>>108723514None of the people you listed are religious either.
>>108723540That would be >$100/month in USA
>>108723565>Roberts was born into a Jewish family in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania>Schulman was born in Newark, New Jersey, to Jewish parentsYou're clearly jewish
>>108722545Same where I live, but the key to our cheap & easily available fiber basically seems to have been the lack of earlier infrastructure. We shot our commie dictator right on the cusp of the '90s. I'm not old enough to have been around before that, but I'm pretty sure internet was effectively not a thing for the general population earlier than that. Broadband didn't really start taking off until the late '90s or early 2000s, but this also meant that companies were able to start with and lay down relatively modern infrastructure.In the US it seems that since internet was more prevalent earlier, they piggybacked off of older phone and cable TV infrastructure in order to avoid the massive cost of laying down new stuff, which resulted in them having worse internet. Seems like they've been slowly improving over the last 1-2 decades though, at least in the quality of service they get if not the value / price.
>>108722545In your country the telecom company's job is to provide and enhance telecom utilities. In my country the telecom company's job is to provide value for shareholders
>>108722545>stuff is cheaper in poor countrieswow
>>108723547Did AI tell you that? Because it’s wrong.
>>108723850Dallas-FW metroplex is 42,222 km2. The Netherlands is 41,865 km2. Switzerland is 41,291 km2.
Poland has cheap Internet because we had politicians that weren't paid off by corporations, and when we had our own Ma Bell in the form of TP SA, it got broken up, so there is a competitive ISP market thanks to the lack of monopoly of what today would be Orange SA.In the US, Ma Bell reformed itself into AT&T, corporations have a piss easy time paying off the government so that they can do whatever the fuck they want, and have no incentive to offer better priced services, or, you know, better services in general. They could hook rural areas up with fiber, but if they're the sole option in the area and people need to pay out of their asses for fucking dial-up to be able to use the Internet, why bother?It's also why they despise Starlink so much, the ISP situation in the US is so dire that the prices and speeds Elon is offering are genuinely competitive with what the wired ISP's like AT&T offer.
>>108723547>Americans are proudly retardedYep, nothing ever changes.
>>108723142Until you have a heart attack and the ambulance takes an hour
>>108723961why are legacy countries so puny lol
Also Poland could fit Dallas-FW, Houston, Austin and San Antonio, and we have piss cheap fiber even in rural shitholes.The only reason Americans don't have cheap fiber everywhere is because they're enslaved by corporations and have been trained to defend this status quo as something good.And like clockwork>>108723971When no arguments are left as for why the land of the free is enslaved by corporations and won't use it's second amendment rights to defend their freedoms, default to flinging shit like an ape. The only country given the tools to rise up against tyranny, and they refuse to do so. Pathetic.
>>108722545That seems like something internet providers would lobby against
>>108723990>>108723952the USA ranks higher than pooland in internet speeds. it actually ranks very well at 8th best
>>108723961I already cited the sizes. You're not using the proper Dallas-FW metroplex numbers. The entire conurbation is fucking massive.I could have used smaller EU countries. Either way, yes, there are US cities that are larger than EU countries. This is a simple fact.
>>108723573I pay $85/month for 2.5gbps fiber in the US.
singapore at 1stuae 2ndusa 8thpooland is only 25th best.france 4thchile is 6thvietnam 12thromania is the best east eu at 11thperu somehow 18th
The only reason for fast speeds is piracy. It has no other use, and you won't notice the difference between 250mbps and 2.5gbps for any real world application that isn't, again, piracy.
>>108724012USA also ranks the highest in GDP. Except whenever Musk flies from Texas to NYC the Midwest's GDP jolts up like crazy for a while.Don't strain your brain, I know that you can't comprehend the concept of "per capita".>>108724019I am using True Size Of, without the map projection skewing the size. You're looking at raw numbers, not taking into account that this raw number of Denmark and Netherlands also includes a bunch of islands. Most importantly, the Dallas-FW metroplex is such a fucking stretch to bring up, you might as well bring up the entire state of West Virginia.Point is, while you're trying to talk geography in hopes everyone will forget what the initial topic was:>>108723455You're just a retard that refuses to accept the truth that you're a slave that willingly sold himself. The urban density of Dallas-FW metroplex would actually mean lower fiber prices. While in Europe you have to cover long stretches of land with no clients to utilize them, in America you could have a metric fuckton of clients on the same stretch of land, which would pay off in dividends.Except you are a slave to corporations, you have been trained like a dog to never ever rebel against your corporate overlords, and you will gleefully shut down any attempt of your government reigning in the corporate oppressors to offer you better services and better quality of living, as you've been trained to scream about communism and anti-constitutional freedom restrictions the moment someone wants to drag you out of this slavery.That's why you can't have cheap Internet. Europe has cheap Internet despite it being more expensive to set up because we have governments that actually act as a counter-balance to corporations. Meanwhile your government lets corporations do whatever they want, and since it's the private sector that enslaved you, you'll just calmly sit on your ass like the cattle you are.
>>108724119>USA also ranks the highest in GDPit ranks 8th per capita, and has 8th internet speedsthat seems like a lot of cope, anon
>>108724119>I am using True Size Of, without the map projection skewing the size. You're looking at raw numbers, not taking into account that this raw number of Denmark and Netherlands also includes a bunch of islands. Most importantly, the Dallas-FW metroplex is such a fucking stretch to bring up, you might as well bring up the entire state of West Virginia.I'll even grant you all of that because I can still prove that there are US cities that are larger than EU countries. How about Luxembourg? It's 2,586.4 km2. Just the land area, not TOTAL area, of Juneau, Alaska alone is 7,000 km2. How about Malta, another EU country. Area of 316 km2. That's smaller than Las Vegas, Nevada with 367 km2. Would you like to concede now and admit I'm right or do you want to be child about it?
>>108723540the upload speed should be 800mbit too, other than that I think it's quite ok
>>108723540and picrel 66 chf but as said earlier while it is 25/25gbit you might find the routing hardware quite expensive
>>108723455LMAO Spain is like 80% the surface of Texas and we have 94% FTTH coverage at gigabit or better, for prices as low as 20€/mo.Cope harder
>>108724256Ps. And nearly 50M in population
>>108724256spain ranks 15th in internet speeds
>>108724072 >>108724282how are these rankings made anyhow?AFAIK pretty much no one has faster residential speeds than Switzerlandeven among countries that have fiber, few have an ISP offer like 25/25gbit, and also few did P2P fiber (4 modern single mode fibers go directly to the big regional/international hubs) instead of P2MP (something like an average 12-128 fibers or even more are going into a switch in the neighborhood that then has one fiber going to the big regional/international hubs per that many connections coming in)
>>108722545Large landmass with low population density.
>>108724323Country wide average speeds, not peak.
>>108724330The population density of the contiguous United States where over 99% of the US population live is ~43 people per square kilometer, which is almost exactly like Lithuania and quite a lot more than Estonia / Latvia (~28-29), Sweden (24), Norway (17) or Finland (16).And in that contiguous USA, ~47% of land is obvious unoccupied too, no one is asking about dense fiber service there. At most you'll have to put a few comparatively stupidly cheap and easy cables across the land, vastly easier than power lines or roads or w/e.I think you're just getting screwed.
>>108724323there just the average speedtest rankings.
>>108724381Measured how?If it's some random consumer speedtest stuff, then even people who have 1 or 10 or 25gbit connections in their houses (we're at 60%+ FTTH across the country) already may actually have run some or many of "their" tests on wifi5 or 5g mobile or 1gbit or any other random thing.
>>108724397the only country you listed that is faster is norway, and they are priced similarly to the usa. maybe more expensive actually
>>108724443Then that makes sense. Yes, there are people that have houses that could do 25/25 gbit, but they never bothered doing anything including getting a cheaper subscription since for example 100/10mbit docsis 20 or so years ago. They just at some point got a date to have a fiber socket installed and a new 1/1 or 10/10gbit router and then they connected their laptop's or phone's wifi5 only.
>>108724450Yes, welcome to how average speeds are measured.It's testing real world ACTUAL delivered speeds, it doesn't care what your theoretical maximum speed is in a vacuum.
An hour later and the retard I BTFO still hasn't replied. I love seeing that everyone is a child that refuses to admit when they're wrong.
>>108724498No one knows what you're talking about except maybe the guy who stopped replying to you
>>108724468if every home that could to 25gbps did 25gbps then it wouldn't be 25gbps any more
i work for some company involved in comms for the US and they constantly keep pushing their prices up under the logic that the customers are getting an upgrade (((this is excellent value remember !!!))) for bandwidth they are not even asking for and probably dont use at all, these people are getting shafted kek
>>108724468>there are people that have houses that could do 25/25 gbit, but they never bothered doing anything including getting a cheaper subscription since for exampleHighly doubt it.I don't think they did any of the 25/25Gbps installs without being specifically requested to.They're not going to upgrade some boomer retard on an old grandfathered plan to 25/25gbps even if what he's paying currently would cover the cost. The amount of work required to upgrade someone to 25Gbps would necessitate a multi-hour install, that no boomer is going to agree to without a reason. And no ISP is going to bother going through with if they can avoid it.Find me someone with 25gbps fiber installed for multiple years who has a 100 Mbps router, and i'll eat my hat.
>>108724518Meanwhile my bill has gone from $120/month for 2.5gbps downt to $85/month after a year and a half.But I guess your fantasyland anecdote through work is more real to you than my actual american ISP bill.
>>108724491The delivered speed ISP wise often is really close to 25/25 or 10/10 or 1/1 gbit. See >>108724203.What you will get if you actually use good hardware is what matters if you ask me.That you can also use a smartphone or laptop or rpi on wifi5 or your own 1/2.5gbit networking hardware or whatever else (that one guy trying reticulum over LoRa at 0.2kbit) and that it won't be as fast as a 25gbit router is not even relevant to how fast national networks are.
>>108724504Point? You do know this is 4chan, right? Anyone can post about almost anything.
>>108724548Yep, just like I'm replying to you telling you no one gives a fuck or even knows what you're talking about.isn't it crazy how 4chan works? Just in case you didn't know, you can reply to me again if you want to keep this up.
>>108723540I pay $80/month for 2000/250, but it's still fucking copper so more like 1000-1500/100. My only other options are sub 300/10 for the same or higher price. It's a bit grim. If I drive 7 hours to the eastern edge of the state, I could get 8000/8000 dedicated for $50/month, because some new independent company setup shop. Every ISP here uses pre-existing trans-continental fiber runs Sprint installed decades ago, then decide how much the peasants have to pay for priviledge of using it.
>>108724543yes switzerland is all using rpis, and the usa definitely isnt using their free isp home routers
>>108724563>no one gives a fuck>repliesYou have just proven that you do give a fuck, or you wouldn't have even replied. The fact I give a fuck, means by default, 1 person does give a fuck. Thanks for showing you're just another extremely low IQ retard.
>>108724543Again, what they're measuring is the speed people ACTUALLY experience connecting to the internet.They don't care if you have 25gbps connection if you're connecting at 800mbps.The fact you think it even matters that 25Gbps is available if no one ever uses it is the stupidest part.You seem to think because the capacity is there, even if it's NEVER used, it should be counted.Do you think Tesla's board cares how many Cybertrucks they manufactured in a year, or do you think they just care about the ones they actually sold? Same shit here. No one cares about the bandwidth that THEORETICALLY could get used, we're measuring what's actually getting used.
>>108724579I'm glad you're finally learning how 4chan works anon, you see when you REPLY to someone instead of making some random vague post that isn't replying to anyone directly we can have an actual discussion.If you want to talk about how retarded you are, i'm happy to indulge you, just keep replying.
>>1087225452gb down / 1gb up for 24€ here in France
>>108724589>keeps replyingAgain, you are proving you do give a fuck, thus showing you outright lied.>doesn't deny being extremely low IQThanks for agreeing with me.Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. I accept your concession. Filtered. Reply more, I'll never see it. I know you can't resist, all extremely low IQ retards keep replying. Show me just how low your IQ is.
>>108724621My guy, I am going to reply to every single comment you make, we can spend the next 6 hours doing this, I'm free allllll day.
>>108724529> I don't think they did any of the 25/25Gbps It's 4x LC-APC P2P.If an ISP offered it, it'd not be just 1x25gbit but 4x100/100gbit. 25/25gbit is just what ISPs offer residential customers right now. You can actually get 40/40gbit too, it's just branded as "professional" offering at ~130/month.The random boomer of course still doesn't have the 25gbit or 40gbit hardware. If a boomer suddenly wants 25 or 40gbit actual he'll have to buy it and tell the ISP (or buy it from the ISP), maybe it's switched in 1-2 days to 1 week or so. The house fibers are ready tho.>Find me someone with 25gbps fiber installed for multiple years who has a 100 Mbps router, and i'll eat my hat.Yes, that's what we have in ~60% of the households in terms of the fiber (not all have the ISP subscription), and a shitload have 1 or 10gbit routers that they use on wifi5 at sub 100mbit.
>>108724203quite a bit useless though, since most server won't ever delivering half of that, let alone you having the hardware (both ssd and cpu) to really use it fully, it's mostly useful of a big family or a small micro company.
This is equivalent to 30 usd dollars of america where i live. Pretty comfy, and i live in 1960 commie block.
>>108724634Lol no you don't.By the same metric you TECHNICALLY have 1tbps fiber installed, it's just Fiber7 doesn't have the equipment to push data that fast over the fiber.All you're ACTUALLY saying is 60% of swiss homes have a fiber optic run. Those runs can be ran at 100mbps, 1gbps, 10gbps, 25gbps, 40gbps, 100gbps, 1000gbps. It all just depends what equipment you run on each side of the connection.Well no fucking shit, my ISP could replace their routing equipment to support 100gbps+ too, but they're focused on providing a network to dozens of millions of people across a landmass 10x the size your nation.Even a highly regarded ISP like Init7 does not have the backbone capacity to support 60% of Switzerland pulling 25Gbps. If thousands of users simultaneously spun up their local servers and aggressively tried to seed massive media swarms to pad their tracker ratios, the ISP's core edge routers would melt. Their upstream interconnects at peering exchanges (like SwissIX or DE-CIX) would instantly saturate, resulting in massive packet loss and throttling. The bottleneck just shifts from the neighborhood street corner to the ISP's data center.Fiber7 offers those speeds because they KNOW you don't have the hardware/infrastructure to actually fully utilize it, and if everyone did they would HAVE to cut the speeds to residential customers because their backend simply can't handle that amount of bandwidth. It's great for winning online dick measuring contests, but pretty much worthless otherwise for the vast majority of people.
>>108724580>Again, what they're measuring is the speed people ACTUALLY experience connecting to the internet.I'm saying that is quite pointless for measuring national residential network speeds in a /g/ sense, you should take the home connection speed with decent hardware.Sure, people often "experience" their wifi5 / 5g laptop/smartphone from whatever room they're in. That's reality even if they have 10gbit.>>108724573What is this random tangent. Look, EVEN if an enthusiast who did get 40 or 25gbit networking hardware has 70 networked devices at home, chances are that almost all will be random IoT smartphones smart fridge wifi consoles rpi whatever devices and probably just one or two 25 or 40gbit servers. Unless you count only the servers, you just get a completely wrong home connection speed.
>>108722545companies usually price things as high as they can without losing many customers
>>108724726>I'm saying that is quite pointless for measuring national residential network speeds in a /g/ sense, you should take the home connection speed with decent hardware.Why?Your definition of a "national network" is a lab-environment benchmark. That’s useless data. The entire point of a national index is to measure access, adoption, and actual utilization. A national speed index measures what the average citizen is actively experiencing. If an ISP drops a 10Gbps line to your house but gives you a trash router, your connection speed is trash. The ISP's hardware provision is part of the network.Also, those same slow wifi5 devices are pulling the US average numbers down too, yet the US still averages above Switzerland.Blaming that on older wifi devices is just you being a coping moron.
>>108724719>Well no fucking shit, my ISP could replace their routing equipment to support 100gbps+ tooYes, if you book 40gbps they'll put the QSFP+ 40gbps module in their fastass cisco or whatever router and you in yours and you have 40gbps. That's what it means to have 4 dedicated fibers, indeed.And the stock residential offers are 25/25gbit at ~65/month... CHF so exchange rates vary, it was virtually 1:1 with USD when it was first offered and now it's ~83USD
>>108722545I pay $20 bucks a month for 100 Mbps fiber in my third world latin american shithole.But then again, I live in the middle of nowhere, in a rural area 10 km away from the nearest settlement. In metropolitan areas you can get 1 Gbps for the same price.AFAIK many burgers living in similar rural areas in the US were still stuck with dial-up until very recently and Starlink was the only alternative
>>108724753I have NGPON2, that's 40/40gbps on a single fiber using PON if my ISP wanted to support those speeds on residential connections.That's not four fibers kiddo, that's one fiber.And NGPON2 has upgrade paths to 80/80Gbps. Again, single fiber.You're just grasping at straws to find anyway to attack the fact the US has faster average speeds than switzerland.
>>108724750No, it's not a "lab" environment. It's just a measurement at the home connection point. The speed you get there is your home network speed.You can't really measure home network speeds with averages/median measurements of random end user devices, particularly on faster rotuers you will only get results for what end user devices and maybe how thick walls are (because so many run on wifi).If you're lucky, the best measurement might show the speed, but even that only if the user ever tested with an optimal device or the router itself.
>>108724787>if my ISP wanted to support those speeds on residential connectionsYes, now the ISPs here do that on a stock residential offering with 25gbit. And that's why it's 25gbitAnd you can get 3 more ISPs for the other fibers, of course paying a contract each. It's... not something anyone does I think but you can.The difference? Your ISPs do NOT seem to actually do that. I mean if they did with reasonably matching speeds from good hardware connected such routers I'd agree you *DO* have 40gbit residential. But you don't.
>>108724821You're acting like Wi-Fi only exists in Switzerland. Everyone in the world uses Wi-Fi. The 'Wi-Fi bottleneck' applies to the US, South Korea, and everywhere else on that Ookla list. If the US is still beating Switzerland in the median averages despite both countries testing over Wi-Fi, it means the US has a higher baseline of provisioned speeds.Furthermore, even if we measured exactly how you want, hardwired directly to the router, Ookla still only measures the tier the customer pays for. If a Swiss citizen has 25Gbps fiber in their wall, but only pays for a 1Gbps plan, the router only gets 1Gbps. You are trying to use a niche, enthusiast 25Gbps tier that 99% of your country doesn't use (and doesn't have the hardware for) to artificially inflate your national ranking. A national index measures what citizens actually experience, not what is theoretically possible in a lab.>>108724844Google Fiber are actively deploying a 20Gbps symmetric residential tier using Nokia 25G-PON architecture right now. When you buy Google Fiber's 20Gbps plan, Google actually provides a custom Wi-Fi 7 router with a 10GbE LAN port and multiple 2.5GbE LAN ports directly to the customer.If Fiber7 offers a 25Gbps tier, but 99% of Swiss citizens look at the absurd $1,500+ local hardware tax required to actually use it and say, "No thanks, just give me the standard 1Gbps plan and a cheap router," then Switzerland is a 1Gbps country.It's like arguing that because a Ferrari dealership exists in Zurich, the national average speed of Swiss traffic is 200mph.
>>108724844usa has a 50gbps residential offering, therefore: usa = faster. genius
>>108722545>In my slavic shithole gigabit internet through fiber link is around 9-10 bucks monthlyat most 100 megabit after a vpn that costs 9-10 bucks monthly
>>108724914No. You're just not measuring national or residential network speeds.You need to take the max sustained network speed measurement and that can be approximated closely with one very fast device or maybe at the router, but not with random end user devices.The random end user devices doing random measurements is... a measure for what random end user devices people use with wifi at what distance or something. Maybe how often they use a laptop dock or more rare, if they actually plug in ethernet. It's all pretty meaningless for fiber.
>>108725010You are trying to measure the average speed of traffic on a highway by looking at the speed limit signs and the physical asphalt. You're saying, 'Well, the asphalt is perfectly paved and technically capable of supporting a Bugatti driving 250 mph, so the highway's speed is 250 mph!'Ookla is doing the actual logical thing: pointing a radar gun at the cars driving on the road. It doesn't matter if the asphalt can support 250 mph if 99% of the country is driving a Honda Civic at 60 mph. You are bragging about the asphalt; the rest of the world is measuring the cars.If you still can't understand even with these simple analogies, you're just a buck-broken retard moving the goalposts.
>>108724936Well yes - if you're actually getting ~50/50gbps and it's at residential prices let's say <$150 or something (I guess I can be convinced $200 is ok too - but remember the Swiss one is ~$80) and it's on very widely available FTTH which doesn't need to include the mountain hut or the hermit innawoods, then it can be said that the USA has fast 50gbps residential internet.
>>108725032Yes, you can get the bugatti as a typical residential offering, AND you can drive 250mph, and it's all the price as stated.Some people then chose to not drive a 250mph bugatti for price reasons or because they were too lazy to switch cars or they use motorboats unrelated to streets, but even these people could go make a call and make a deal to get a Bugatti and have one in like a week.Yes, that.
>>108725048You are bragging about an $80/month internet bill, but completely ignoring the massive, state-backed capital expenditure hiding behind it. The Swiss government's own BAKOM study explicitly states that building your 4-fiber P2P network to a 60% footprint costs 8.9 billion CHF, roughly 1,000 CHF for every citizen in the country. And to reach 75%, it balloons to nearly 24 billion CHF because your rural connections cost 10x more to build.I'd expect fast internet too if my government taxed me $1250+ for it. >>108725063You just admitted exactly why you are losing on the Ookla scoreboard: 'Some people chose to not drive a 250mph Bugatti for price reasons.'Exactly. Ookla measures the cars actually driving on the road, not the cars sitting in the dealership. If 99% of your country looks at the $1,500 enterprise hardware tax required to use Fiber7's 25Gbps tier and chooses to stick with a 1Gbps plan, then your national average is 1Gbps.A national index isn't a catalog of theoretical maximums; it's a measurement of actual socioeconomic adoption. The US has 20Gbps and 50Gbps 'Bugattis' available to order too, but the US ranks higher because the average American 'Honda Civic' is now a 2Gbps or 5Gbps plan that includes the hardware.
>>108724163>How about Malta, another EU countrydamn bro you really owned me here
>>108725048>>108725121Oh yeah, and that BAKOM study was from like 2010/11, the 8.9B CHF estimate WAS a fairly accurate estimate, but current projections place actual expenditures to hit the 60% buildout at over 10B CHF. (somewhere around 2.3-2.5B CHF per year on average in infrastructure investments) Which means the actual cost per capita is likely approaching 1300+ CHF, and will likely balloon much higher if your government is serious about the rural buildout.
>>108722545Wait till you see how much they pay for mobile phone contracts lmao
VVe pay for your shit.
>>108725147>Which means the actual cost per capita is likely approaching 1300+ CHF, and will likely balloon much higher if your government is serious about the rural buildout.The current plan is for 90% coverage (they're currently at 60%) by 2035. The current price estimate for that as of 2025 is 38-45B CHF. Which would put the cost per capita for the fiber buildout somewhere around 4000-5000 CHF (about $5-6k USD) from every person in the country.
>>108725129Yes because it proved you were full of shit and I was right. Thanks for admitting I was right and you were wrong. I accept your concession.
>>108722545Your entire country fits in a single walmart parking lot
>>108725121The USA spent $400bn or more broadband subsdies by 2014IDK how much exactly meanwhile but the current year has BEAD program (Broadband Equity, Access, and Deployment) for $42.45-64.3bn if I look it up quickly, there may be much more.I agree it's fair to tally up the cost on the nation state rollout too. Don't be surprised if the USA actually won't look good if you do it in detail.
>>108725262You’re quoting Bruce Kushnick’s 'Book of Broken Promises' for that $400B number. That wasn't a federal subsidy or a government grant; it was a theoretical calculation of 20 years of state tax breaks and telephone rate increases. It's a famous tech-blog myth, not infrastructure spending.But let's take your BEAD program example and actually do the per-capita math you asked for. The BEAD program is $42.45 billion. Divided across 335 million Americans, that is a federal subsidy of exactly $126 per citizen. Furthermore, US ISPs are legally required to match those grants with billions of their own private capital.Now look at your country. The municipal P2P fiber build in Zurich alone required a 573 million CHF credit facility, which equates to a taxpayer debt of 1,330 CHF per capita just for one city. To hit your 90% national coverage target, the total build cost is estimated at over 40 billion CHF, backed largely by a 51% state-owned monopoly (Swisscom) and municipal utilities.The US government is subsidizing rural gaps at $126 a head. Your municipal utilities and state-backed monopolies are sinking thousands of francs per capita into the ground so that private companies like Init7 don't have to pay for their own trenches.To reach 90% coverage with 4-fiber P2P standard, the total infrastructure cost is projected at around 45 billion CHF. Because Swisscom is 51% state-owned and local utilities dig the trenches, a massive portion of this is underwritten by the state. If the US government subsidized infrastructure at that rate, BEAD wouldn't be $42 billion; it would be over $1.5 Trillion.
>>108725121No, I dismiss the Ookla scoreboard for all indicated reasons, *including* that now having a 250mph Bugatti and 10 autonomous 5km/h robot transporters is giving you a retarded result for what a street is designed for and actually capable of.Look IDK about you but the thing of interest is what /g/ could get on a standard home connection, not whether normies have a faster speedtest on their smart toilet or smart tv because it's closer to their wifi access point or w/e.
>>108725446Yes, you're a coping retard that has repeatedly failed to understand averages, why they're used, and why your fantasy peak measurement is moronic.
>>108722545i paid $40 a month for 1GB/s fiber in Rursl Mississippi.one reason it isnt cheaper is they cant pay the worker less than USD $15 an hour. thats basically decfacto minimum wage that McDonalds snd Walmart pay. what is the minimum wage in your shithole?
>>108725371> that is a federal subsidy of exactly $126 per citizenPlus "BEAD-eligible locations [...]have dropped to roughly 4.2 million nationwide" for what it predicts.Now... yep, that looks more expensive in the USA, even the government prediction. How is the history with budget predictions in the USA? Is it typical to get more than 2-3x cost overrun? And are your ongoing contracts cheaper?Switzerland spending around 1000-1330 CHF or so per household to roll out the infrastructure might be fairly accurate. Sure, that's also part of the cost. But well, we can call it a $100 subscription instead of a $80 for 5.5 years. I don't think it fundamentally changes everything.Wasn't like I was insisting on exactly $80 or less fast fiber connections anyhow, I'm even still interested to hear if you've got good residential $150/month fiber.
>>108725508You misread the math. The 1,330 CHF in Zurich was per capita, not per household. For your national 90% P2P network, the 45 billion CHF cost divided by your 3.9 million households is over 11,500 CHF per household in hidden state-backed infrastructure costs. Amortize that, and your $80 bill doubles for a decade.Also, your BEAD 'gotcha' proves my point. BEAD is exclusively for the most remote, unserved rural locations in the US—farms in Montana and Alaska. It costs roughly $10,000 per location. Your own government's BAKOM study says your rural clusters cost 15,000 to 25,000 CHF per location. The US is connecting rural extremes across a continent 230x the size of Switzerland for less money per home than you do.Finally, you asked for good US residential fiber under $150. Here you go:Sonic Fiber offers 10 Gbps symmetrical for $49.99/month. Hardware included. No state trench tax required.Google Fiber offers 5 Gbps for $125/month and 8 Gbps for $150/month. Multi-gig Wi-Fi 7 routers included.AT&T, Frontier, and Ziply all offer 5 Gbps plans between $120 and $150/month, hardware included.Verizon FiOS has 2Gbps plans between $80-120/month, hardware included.
the Anerican taxpayer only services the interest. We couldnt actually afford to pay for the shitbthe US government spends money on. We are still paying just thr interest thr Apollo program and the Vietnam War while we are still borrowing money for Artemis, thr Trump Ballroom, and Operation Epstein Fury.
They have to use fiber because the gypsies steel all the copper.
>>108722545first world just means the wealthiest live betterit doesn't mean a peasant does, too.
>>108725532> 1330 per capita> 11500 per household> swiss households average 8.6 peopleIt's literally 2.18 people per household. I expect it's $100 for 11 years instead of 5.5 years then and something else in your calculations / numbers you found is wrong.As for the US expenditures, ok what's the *correct* amount when you tally up tax breaks, subsidies and so on? Looking on the internet (unfortunately with today's shitty search engines and AI), there seems to be entirely a "nooo, tax breaks don't count! you must only count money they directly wired us!", not a correct figure tallying up the actual total tax breaks and subsidies.
>>108725814Wow you're REALLY bad at math/reading.1330CHF is the price per capita in Zurich for the CURRENT buildout.11500CHF per household number is using the entire country (3.9M households) at 90% coverage (not 60%) at an estimated 45B CHF. Just fucking read, it's all in my post explained if you took a second to read and understand (and do basic math). There is no easy way to look up total US figures just due to the sheer size of the US and the number of local/state/federal subsidies spread across decades funded in very different ways in each individual case. Sometimes public/private, sometimes all public, sometimes mostly private, etc.It would unironically take days/weeks of research to get anything close to an accurate estimate. And you're also lumping ALL broadband subsidies into a topic about fiber, if you looked at JUST the fiber subsidies, the numbers would be even harder to figure out since some of those subsidies covered both fiber and non-fiber infrastructure.
>>108723513Have you seen the urban sprawl of LA?
>>108722545I think I pay £60 for 2 gigs fibre.I get those speeds through wired. Wireless is around a quarter of that.Why is WiFi still shit?
>>108726112It's just your devices.If you want to buy good wifi 7 routers/access points and then buy a modern laptop/tablet/phone with the highest end wifi chipsets, then you can easily break 2gbps over the air within the same room.
>>108726152My Galaxy S26 Ultra arrives tomorrow, I'll have a look see what the results are.
>>108723593When Wikipedia says Jewish they mean Ashkenazi. I dont care if you think jew is a religion or ethnicity or both, because you didnt write the article. The Roberts and Schulman families dont believe in god.
>>108726174Your router also needs to be able to support the speeds.I'm using an S24 ultra and ubiquiti U7 Pro access points.
>>108726179You're trying so hard to defend jews and disprove that they control ISPs in the US and therefore the reason it's so expensive. Thanks for outing yourself as a jew or a zionist. I accept your concession. Go gas yourself like what should have happened if the holocaust really did happen.
>>108723490>glass strand the width of a human hair that can carry signal for 10s of kmvs>copper rod that attenuates signal fast as fuck and needs active amplification every few hundred metersfuck, if only I knew which option was cheaper
>>108722727He's from Romania and his isp is most likely Digi; digi 1gb is 10 €, here; 10gb is 15 €.>>108722815Russiais fucking huge and most cities are further apart than most countries are big.
>>108722727are you genuinely retarded
>>108722545i’m bum fuck nowhere appalachia and i pay $65 a month for 1gb fiber
