freebsd was king like 20 years ago but now it's just worse ganoo/loonix
openbsd is neat but useless
netbsd runs on every machine known to man except for your laptop

>>108727518
Make the decision for you self, faggot, no one cares what OS you use.

>>108727683
I never asked who cares I asked for suggestions you illiterate lobotomite

>>108727518
Go through the handbook and see if it appeals to you, and test it out in a virtual machine.
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/

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>>108727518
cuck license

>>108727911
blessed

I wonder if the cuck license poster gets bored sometimes and makes BSD threads himself just so he can do his thing.

>>108727947
>being the bull and the cuck
Fuck, that's a level of degeneracy beyond my prude comprehension.

>>108727958
seems to me like time well spent

>>108727518
why would you use these on a serious work machine? i assume you actually get shit done with your computer and unless it's an ancient device with the best driver support and the correct network card you're going to cripple your laptop. also linux is superior in performance and flexibility in so many ways i just cannot think of something that makes freebsd or netbsd worth installing. maybe jails if you're a sysadmin with a server but i doubt you're using your laptop as one to the point you would benefit from freebsd. meanwhile netbsd is pretty much autism OS for tinkering with

>>108727911
/thread

>>108728020
you don't need an ancient device or the newest drivers, all that matters is whether or not they exist for your laptop
linux isn't noticeably superior in either flexibility or performance, unless you're measuring on the scale of milliseconds

>>108727518
The only reason to do it is the same reason I did it 16 years ago.
With the handbook it's a great way to get familiar with the *nix way of doing things if you aren't already. What you learn there doesn't translate 1:1 to Linux but a beginner can learn enough working through that thing to have an idea about what they need to know about Linux.
That said, FreeBSD sucks as an everyday system compared to Linux. Linux has far better hardware support. The Linux ecosystem has more quality of life features and gets a lot more development (sure, some of that shit makes its way to FreeBSD but it always feels like a second or third class citizen). Linux has better Steam support via Proton.
For someone who wants "advanced" I'd honestly recommend Gentoo over FreeBSD at this point.

>>108727518
If you want a good every day system use Windows. If you want a tinker station, FreeBSD (preferably virtualized until you know what you’re doing).

Unlike Linux, with FreeBSD it’s an entire operating system rather than just a kernel, so it should feel like it fits together better, rather than a series of separate projects that you find in a linux system.

>>108728142
Gentoo is definitely a good tinker station too.

>>108728170
Yeah, I don't want to sound like I'm bashing FreeBSD. It's near and dear to my heart. I *wish* it was in a better place versus Linux. The core system is logical and feels much more nicely designed.
But, while the base and kernel are indeed a full operating system, stuff like DEs and whatnot are most definitely not part of that system and are third-party software installed on top of it. And while it works it doesn't necessarily integrate nicely out-of-the-box like one might find in a Linux distro. Again, not bashing, but manually configuring things can be a shock for first time users who aren't necessarily used to that.

>>108727518
Just install Windows and be actually productive

>>108728182
It’ll be amusing if FreeBSD ends up being what keeps X11 alive.

BSD in general feels much cleaner than Linux. FreeBSD is best for desktop use and it has proton in the repository. It also has a translation layer for Linux programs.
I'd be using it right now if my wifi card was supported.

>>108728639
>I'd be using it right now if my wifi card was supported.
Kek. That read like the punchline of a joke.

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>>108727518
Hardware support on BSDs is like Linux from 10-15 years ago, in other words it's a struggle.
Just go with a lean linux system like Alpine Linux or something similar without the systemd/gnome bloat and you're pretty close to BSD.

Don't. Use it for fun and messing around, but for an actual system you are better off with any other linux distro. It has its uses for servers, and its implementation of jails is... nice! But otherwise.... just use linux.

>>108728735
>Hardware support on BSDs is like Linux from 10-15 years ago
Not true.

I'm considering trying FreeBSD on my Thinkpad as well, but there's a few thing I still need to check:
- Battery life
- Boot time
- Wifi
- The odd programs I use through AppImages
- Linux compatibility for Steam, though I can do fine without that on this machine

And there's also the fact that a Debian stable I barely update is already a good enough choice for a machine like that.

>>108729155
>Battery life
https://www.dwarmstrong.org/freebsd-laptop-power-management/

https://www.siberoloji.com/power-management-configuration-for-laptops-on-freebsd/
>- Boot time
Just like any other Linux or BSD OS.
>- Wifi
https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/hardware/#wlan
>- The odd programs I use through AppImages
Depends on the program, there's Linuxlator.
>- Linux compatibility for Steam, though I can do fine without that on this machine
There is steam and proton, but they don't work that well (yet). It's best not to even bother, you'll just get frustrated.

FreeBSD has plenty of games that run natively.
https://www.freshports.org/games/

freebsd is interesting in concept but it has basically no reason to exist

also, cuck license

>>108728020
>maybe jails
Even that's not much of a selling point anymore since linux has a bunch of OS-level virtualization options now

Without wanting to start anything, FreeBSD is to Linux as Linux is to Windows. Both in the good ways as well as the bad.
The question is whether you actually gain anything from diving that deep that Linux doesn't already give you, given that the biggest problem with Windows is that it's proprietary while Linux is already free.

>>108727518
Jails are very nice. I hear a lot of good things about FreeBSD's ports tree, but haven't messed with it much. I've only used it for server work, but it feels really nice to work with compared to Linux. Software availability seems good, but not sure about proprietary stuff. It has Linux compatibility so you could probably make it work. If you want a clean Unix experience with a lot of features FreeBSD is the way to go. Haven't tried NetBSD, but OpenBSD is also nice but much more old school and limited.
If you just want to get work done on your Laptop then Linux is still your best bet. If you're a gamer then Linux is still your best bet. But if you're technically minded and like being able to solve problems without dealing with the billion GNU/Linux-isms then FreeBSD is a good choice that won't limit you too much. It feels like a cohesive system.

>>108727518
>no software
>shit hardware support
>REQUIRES linux abstraction layer to basically do anything that isn't ls or cp
>cuck license
>no devs
>infested by troons
>shit security compared to linux (same for openbsd btw)
>shit performance
>shit battery life
>shit DE support

it's the best OS if you do'nt use your computer like most retards who recommand it.

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pufferfish wit da big ass lip

>>108730548
I'm the poster above you and agree with this 100%.
>>108730568
>no software
>REQUIRES linux abstraction layer to basically do anything that isn't ls or cp
This is incorrect. Quite a bit of software created originally for Linux is ported to work natively on FreeBSD (and visa-versa, actually). No compatibility layer required.

>>108730585
>This is incorrect.
nope, it's very much correct, anything GUI that people use to get shit done does not work natively, maya, da vinci, docker, discord, slack, spotify, steam and more.
>hurr I don't need those
the world is bigger than you, it won't gain traction because there is no fucking software.
>hurr I can hack them to make them run
waste of your fucking time, just install linux or windows and move on with your life, you'll get better software support, better security (better than hardenedbsd and opnebsd btw), better performance, better documentation, etc.
> No compatibility layer required.
yes, you absolutely need it and I'm 100% sure that if you're on freebsd you're using it right now, especially if you have "recent" hardware (last 5 years or so lmao) as they ported most of linux gpu drivers to get them to run.

>>108730717
You're just looking for a flamewar. And you're also very much wrong.
I'm on Linux by the way retard. Linux and Windows both have better quality of life than FreeBSD and I'd never recommend someone use the latter.
But that doesn't mean I'm not going to call you out when you're straight up wrong.

>>108730744
>And you're also very much wrong.
I'm 100% not, ask your favorite IA
>But that doesn't mean I'm not going to call you out when you're straight up wrong.
you can't prove me wrong, all *BSD are YEARS if not DECADES late feature-wise, netBSD is fine-ish as it officially support the most arch but htat's it, there is no redeeming quality to the BSD family.

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The only reason I didn't switched to a BSD variant is because I use nvidia and work with graphics. Very hard to do anything outside of the Linux/Winblows world.

>>108727911
this
imagine willingly using an os that's getting code harvested by corpos

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>>108728020
maybe you dont like the elogind systemd dbus humiliation ritual

>>108727549
its best fir zfs. fuck cannonical and their shitty module based implementation


its best for server, i wouldn't use it for laptop. maybe just a specialized workstation

>>108732823
>no software
>REQUIRES linux abstraction layer to basically do anything that isn't ls or cp
Are these your exact words or not buddy.
Most software designed for Linux is ported directly to FreeBSD and doesn't require the compatibility layer unless it's making calls to Linux-specific API (kernel stuff that FreeBSD doesn't have equivalents to).
There's a ton of commonly used free software that's been ported over that you can install that doesn't rely on the compatibility layer. X, KDE, Firefox, Chromium, Libreoffice, Thunderbird, vlc, various terminals, the list goes on and on and on. Most shit shit in ports doesn't require the compatibility layer at all. Anyone who's actually used FreeBSD knows this.
Again, I merely corrected an objectively wrong comment you made. Yeah, there is also shit you *do* need need the compatibility layer for but your exact words were that it all does. And no, I'm not defending FreeBSD - I stopped using it years ago because Linux does everything I want to do better with less headaches. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to correct people when they lie about shit.

>>108732904
>Most software designed for Linux is ported directly to FreeBSD and doesn't require the compatibility layer unless it's making calls to Linux-specific API (kernel stuff that FreeBSD doesn't have equivalents to).
this is false
>There's a ton of commonly used free software that's been ported over that you can install that doesn't rely on the compatibility layer. X, KDE, Firefox, Chromium, Libreoffice, Thunderbird, vlc, various terminals, the list goes on and on and on. Most shit shit in ports doesn't require the compatibility layer at all. Anyone who's actually used FreeBSD knows this.
and the list is nowhere near enough
>Again, I merely corrected an objectively wrong comment you made.
you didn't corerct shit, you just stated that I was wrong
> But that doesn't mean I'm not going to correct people when they lie about shit.
you had all the leasure to paste my message into youre favorite ai to do the deboonk for you but you didn't hence i'm right

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>>108733431
"Nuh-uh" ain't a rebuttal, bitch.

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>Sell me on switching to a BSD on my laptop
you'll make yo momma proud

>>108727549
>openbsd is neat but useless
servers and routers, devs are also dogfooders unlike freebsd
>netbsd runs on every machine known to man except for your laptop
fuckin el, that's a bit of a harsh burn

>>108732842
All code gets harvested by corpos, you're delusional to think otherwise.

>>108727549
>freebsd was king like 20 years ago but now it's just worse ganoo/loonix
absolutely wrong. FreeBSD is the better linux. It is a whole operating system that is cohesive and has actual thought behind every design decision. Sounds like you've never even used it retard

>>108736001
It’s a whole OS for servers, on the gui it’s just begging for whatever scraps linux provides.

Windows is what I’d call a complete OS for a desktop.

>>108735986
openbsd sucks ass for servers because it's slow as balls. i can see using it for a router tho

I tried FreeBSD and it felt like a plasticy version of Linux that has random kernel panics. Never again.

>>108730459
this is a total misreading of what is compelling about freebsd. i like it because the entire OS is handled by the same devs. whereas for linux you are reliant on random lone devs with massive psychological issues

>>108730717
chromium and therefore most of the shit you mentioned works on freebsd
freebsd is a lot more “just werks” than linux desu. i would put linux on one side, and freebsd/windows on the other in this discussion.
freebsd was designed with industry in mind. linux was designed as a modular, academic kernel hence the obsession with free shit and cutting your own cock off.

>>108736096
This is a good argument. I think linux and bsd compliment each other to some extent. But linux fragments too easily.
The BSDs are slower developers, but they aim for more solid coherent code

>>108736025
Really? I guess i read wrong. must just be a ligt install. I think the base is only a couple megabytes.

>>108736113
>chromium and therefore most of the shit you mentioned works on freebsd
lmao no they don't
>freebsd is a lot more “just werks” than linux desu.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MY FUCKING SIDES
any bsd is a clunky heap of barely working garbage and you can't prove me wrong.
>freebsd was designed with industry in mind
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ
absolutely fucking not, freebsd is hobbyist-tier garbage designed to be stolen by globohomos, it serves no purpose other than avoiding gpl
>hence the obsession with free shit and cutting your own cock off.
troons are the ones getting away from gpl, they hate linux for this reason, there are more troons on any BSD than on linux for this exact reason.

>>108737383
They do though, you're just trolling and trying to start a flame war and I don't know why the jannies just let you go on as you do.

>>108737436
I'm not trolling though, you're just avoiding answering these VERY COMMON points.
we've been having these threads for years and nothing changed in all these years.

>>108737460
You are absolutely trolling. It's not my fault if you've been pushing this troll for years.
You said FreeBSD has no software and *all* the software it has outside the kernel and base needs the Linux Compatibility layer.
I pointed to examples of software that have been ported and don't require it. You keep insisting that they do.
So go on. Show that Linux compatibility is a dependency for, say, Firefox or Thunderbird. Everything's documented. If you can't produce evidence you are absolutely trolling/talking out your ass.

>>108737485
>You said FreeBSD has no software
no native third-party software
obviously it has all the core utils...
> base needs the Linux Compatibility layer.
that's true if you need steam and all these software that draw people in... no body gives a fuck about the cat or sed implementation...
>I pointed to examples of software that have been ported and don't require it. You keep insisting that they do.
no adobe suit, no proprietary CAD, no SAP, no cisco vpn clients, you know, all these fucking tools that real people use to do actual work on their fucking computer
>Show that Linux compatibility is a dependency for, say, Firefox or Thunderbird.
never said that
>If you can't produce evidence you are absolutely trolling/talking out your ass.
nice try moving the goalpost you fucking smoothbrain but it won't work

>>108737510
>no software
>REQUIRES linux abstraction layer to basically do anything that isn't ls or cp
Your exact words or no?
You're the one moving goalposts here retard.

>>108737516
>Your exact words or no?
and you understand what I meant, don't try to be a pedantic retard

>>108737516
(reference for anyone who missed it >>108730568)

>>108737522
>n...no! I didn't mean what I said!
Think we're done here.

>>108727911
As funny as this image is, does anyone really believe they gained anything except a couple years (at most) of headway into having their backdoor established? They'd have just made their own or adapted one anyway.

>>108737522
For the record, those were your words. I merely corrected you on the details and you jumped down my fucking throat. And now you're accusing me of being pedantic when you're the one who escalated this thing.
I don't use FreeBSD anymore. It doesn't do half of what Linux does. But people like you are the reason I hate the Linux community.

Linux Compatibility is only necessary if you're running binaries compiled for Linux.
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/linuxemu/
Software that's ported to be directly compiled on FreeBSD doesn't require it at all.

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>>108737510
>no native third-party software
???

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>>108737510
>no native third-party software
???

Why are you all being retards and arguing about irrelevant shit? Itsounds like you are just fags on MacOS who like to feel smart about arguing Linux vs FreeBSD. I've used both, FreBSD was my desktop OS for 2 years. It's definitely better designed than Linux and it works fine if you work for yourself and don't need to install a million shitty apps and programs to do your work. If you work for someone else, they want you to use Docker, Google Meet, Zoom, so you also need Bluetooth for your headset, maybe wifi etc. Lots of things to set up, some of it doesn't work or works with a lot of effort on freebsd. So you just switch to Linux because you don't want to fight it all. What the fuck is your problem people? Both OSs still suck at security because they're ultimately not capability OSs. Until we have such an OS with capabilities as first class citizens and that's actually usable as a desktop OS it really doesn't matter.

>>108737777
>What the fuck is your problem people?
long hours, stagnating wages, rising prices

>>108737777
>Why are you all being retards and arguing about irrelevant shit?
Do you know where you are?

>>108737510
hmmm now why would someone lie about this topic in particular

>>108737744
>>108737768
>phone screenshots

>>108738023
Yeah I have a smartphone. So what?

>>108738051
Ah OK you're new. Carry on.

>>108738059
>Ah OK you're new.
I am. Nice website you got here. *holds up spork*

>>108738064
love and waffles,
~XxFr33BSDaemonEn0yerxX~