>ICE cucks have been REAL quiet since this one droppedWhy are they so threatened by renewable energy? They could've made a fortune on it.
It takes 4 years of sunlight energy hitting an area the size of 18 football stadiums just to create one centimeter cubed of a solar panel.
>>108727751citation?
>>108727751Source or gtfo
You need the equivalent of 5 suns going on full power 24/7 (ignoring when the moon is out) to just power the electricity needs of USA alone for 1 day. We don't have enough sun for the entire planet. Solar energy is ai scam.
>>108727751>an area the size of 18 football stadiumsthats fucking nothing
>>108727726>They could've made a fortune on it.And this tells you with a 100% certainty why it doesn't work
>wasting money on solar panels that take two decades to pay for themselves when we'll literally have free energy by then (from all the AI datacenters collapsing and leaving behind the hundreds of dedicated power plants that are in construction today)
If your country can't produce most of its energy with these then you're an asshole.
>>108727816Nice troll science pic.
>>108727775you could just use a tiny bit of uranium to power the entire country and store the waste underground until its safe to dispose of in the future. but that would kill the coal/oil industries and make rich jews mad, and the government would have to spend less than they give israel every year to build it nationwide to permanently solve our energy problem for the next 1000 years. oh well
>>108727845Nuclear waste is extremely dangerous for thousands of years during which it can contaminate the environment. Nuclear power plants should all be shut down as soon as possible to minimize the long lived radioactive waste they are adding to the environment. Nuclear is no energy solution either. Uranium reserves are set to run out in around 100 years and that's with nuclear at barely 10% of global electricity generation. Even just doubling nuclear power would have the reserves running dry in decades. Solar is clean and scalable.
ITT: communists arguing with communists
>>108727726We're threatened because green energy cultists are mentally ill vermin. Their world view is one in which energy demand is dictated by the producers (the state), rather than the supply naturally trying to meet demand. They WILL cut off your power or route it to some "worthier" person or purpose when the grid can't dispatch enough power to everyone who wants it all at once. There is no argument about economics to be had because green energyfags think you should be deprived of power if you're a political dissident or if you're out in the middle of nowhere, frankly, even if you're white. That's why they dismiss baseload as nonsense. Because it fundamentally doesn't matter in a world in which they dictate who gets power when. That's why they're trying to so hard to shut down datacenters that install their own power generation units, even if they're in the middle of nowhere. And it's why they hate nuclear, and SMRs, with a passion even though like 90% of them are going to some bumfuck areas where companies can do whatever the fuck they want without a city policing their power. And they shutdown steel mills for similar reasons. And there's also a reason why most of them are far to the left.
>>108727887https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-waste/radioactive-wastes-myths-and-realitieswe know how to transport and store it safely and it will naturally decay over tims, and the amount of waste that will actually need to be stored for that long is so tiny. its a solved problem you are just spreading fear mongering lies
why not just get rid of the grid and move to a battery system and give everyone a hand crank or a pedal bike to charge their own batteries themselvessolves unemployment too, anybody who wont crank for themselves will hire someone to do it for them
>>108727775>You need the equivalent of 5 suns going on full power 24/7 (ignoring when the moon is out) to just power the electricity needs of USA alone for 1 day. We don't have enough sun for the entire planet. Solar energy is ai scam.This is full retard fake news lmao
also "uranium will run out in 100 years" is a lie, theres more uranium than we will ever need in the earth its like 4 billion tons, the run out in 100 years figure is based on the uranium we are able to easily mine right now but that wont be the case in the near future
>>108727751liar
>>108727929It's better to just not produce nuclear waste.>>1087279494 billion tons in the ocean would run out in a few thousand years if nuclear supplied all the world's electricity. Optimistic timelines for uranium are dependent on technology that has not been proven at scale. Existing solar technology can be scaled to multiple times current global electricity generation and last as long as the sun without producing nuclear waste.
>>108727927>you can literally install your own solar and batteries and be off-grid self-sufficient on your own land with no dependency on the state for less then buying a new car>vs politicians building a tens of billion dollar borrowed money nuke plant funded by the taxpayer, insured by the state (no private company is capable of insuring nuke plants), every action monitored by the UN/glowies and requiring 24/7 armed security and government contracts to guarantee that energy prices won't ever drop below a certain levelque?
>>108727927There's a wing of the environmentalist movement that are genuinely anti-humanist.
>>108727887Why don't we just launch nuclear waste into space?
>>108727887>Uranium reserves are set to run out in around 100 years Who the fuck actually believes this? At just under 7 pounds per gigawatt hour, and 200 petawatt hours per year used globally, you would need about 30,000,000 pounds or 15,000 tons of uranium per year to power the entire world. There are about 8.5 million tons of uranium in the world that could be mined for a price of $118/lb or less (current price is $86/lb). That's enough for nearly 600 years of powering the entire world at current levels.
>>108727798>>108727726current status quo>the leaders dominate the energy industry>continuous, ongoing record profitsswitching to renewables>risk of losing market dominance to new players. risk = bad>things like solar panels, wind turbines, even nuclear plants to some extent are more capex (one time purchases) than opex (ongoing spending)>so they will probably be less profitable in the long runthat's basically it. they're kneecapping everybody else to maintain profitability. nevermind the pollution and other shit associated with fossil fuels
>>108728091Your numbers are just completely wrong.>7 pounds per gigawatt hourThis is about 312GWh/ton which is off by about 6x. Even using your wrong number though, you got the order of magntidue wrong. 200PWh = 200 billion GWh so you would need 614,000 tons of uranium per year. 8 million tons runs out in 13 years with your wrong numbers. Your scenario is pessimistic though, since 175PWh/year is total global energy consumption while 31PWh/year is global electricity generation.Here's the actual numbers which are all easily verifiable:Nuclear gets 60GWd (1440GWh) per ton of enriched uraniumNeed 9.5 tons of mined uranium for 1 ton of enriched, so 152GWh/ton65% lost as waste heat in turbine so 53GWh/tonWorld electricity generation is 31 million GWh/year, means about 580,000 tons of uranium needed per year.If we used global energy consumption as you did it would be 175 million GWh/year which would be 3.2 million tons of uranium per year. 8 million tons of reserves run out in 2.5 years.
>>108728135>Need 9.5 tons of mined uranium for 1 ton of enriched, so 152GWh/tonMaybe someday, someone will invent a breeder reactor. Wouldn't that be something?
>>108728135>200PWh = 200 billion GWhLol that's wrong, it's 200 million GWh. Point still stands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3lSjuLAAVQSolar power is still half-assed. Nuclear power is still the only realistic option if you're still scared about "muh greenhouse gasses."
>>108728042>rocket breaks up in atmosphere>nuclear radiation everywherebetter to just stick it in the ground somewhere>>108727801Electricity prices are high and continuing to rise. They're predicted to rise faster than inflation. They rose 10% this year.A DIY system breaks even in 3-5 years. Even a professional install, with rebates, will break even in 5-15 years depending on the state you live in.
NOOOO WE HAVE TO INVEST IN TECHNOLOGY THAT DOESNT WORK LIKE FUSION INSTEAD
>>108728091Just to show how ridiculously off your number is: we currently mine about 60,000 tons of uranium per year for 2.6PWh/year of nuclear energy. You are saying that we will supply over 70x current amounts with 1/4 the annual amount mined.The mistake you made was doing 200 million GWh divided by 7lbs per GWh (which is wrong anyway), which doesn't work with the units. You get 28 million GWh^2 per lb.What you should've done is 200 million GWh * 7bs/GWh = 1.4 billion lbs = 635,000 metric tons.
>>108728013>you can literally install your own solar and batteries and be off-grid self-sufficient on your own land with no dependency on the state for less then buying a new carnot in my shithole no you can't
>>108727966>It's better to just not produce nuclear waste.reprocessing is an option even without molten salt reactors, most gubments are just lazy
>>108728042because it's too heavy
>>108728290yeah let's let the government cover all the costs, while the energy providers earns all the profits
The simple answer to why solar and wind will never work is because the main product of the electrical grid is not electricity, but reliability. There's no reason to bother making a huge investment in a massive interconnected grid if it's just gonna turn off the next time its dark and windless.For every MW of wind or solar that you install, you also have to install 1 MW of coal/NG/biomass/geo/nuclear/etc that will take over when the wind and/or solar stops working. So really, the only thing you're saving is the running costs of the normal power plants while they're offline during the sunny/windy conditions, which is not much.
>>108728293most NPP's are gubment owned anyway, at least here in Europe
>>108727726>country that has loads of oil and who bombs browns to keep petrodollar going brainwashes people into thinking oil is the best shit everthis is surprising somehow? rednecks aren’t exactly intellectual titans
>>108728165Modern civilization is completely unsustainable because of a lack of birth rates from the capable demographics. Pretty much everything else is secondary to that. As for why
Last christmas my father in law was ranting about the green energy scam for about 15 minutes before learning our recently built house (that he was visiting) isn’t even connected to the grid, since the connection would cost as much as a 30kv solar buildout + 96 kwh battery pack so it just didn’t make sense economically. With an electric car I also ride for free.He just stopped the rant and pretended the topic didn’t come up.
>>108727775kek. I use a roll per day, Gary.
>>108727940>hire someone to do it for themI know I did. The folks I hired use nat gas, my buddies in a few counties away have a guy that uses nucular.
I just want more hydro
>>108727940bro sign me up i'll be a crankerbut then - who cranks for me? I'd have to double crank.
>>108728292Earth is pretty heavy and thats it's space
>>108728379Hire some latino whore that doubles as cock cranker
>>108727966>t. doesn't realize current forms of energy production are actively poisoning the environment and decreasing life expectancy
>>108728293Yeah sure why not? the goal is to improve standards of living.
>>108728297anything is better than coal including solar and wind.there's third world shitholes that have agreed to phase out coal by 2050, China hasn't agreed to it but is on the way to do so the way they're building solar/wind and nuclear.I'm sure India and Russia will still be using coal in 2090, probably the US too at this rate.
>>108727887The Canadian CANDU reactor can use your nuclear waste as an energy source. You're fucking retarded.>>108728042Because there's a failure rate for rockets above 0%, and when they do, they explode. You want that nuclear waste everywhere?Use it in the CANDU reactor and then bury it so far down, that you'd have to be retarded to unearth it. Well below the water table.
>>108728425>Because there's a failure rate for rockets above 0%, and when they do, they explode. You want that nuclear waste everywhere?Pay india to launch them
>>108728292What we do is start wars in other countries and unload the depleted uranium as bullets! It's perfect. Also they're pyrophoric and vaporize on impact throwing ultra-fine radioactive dust into the air ensuring generations of fun.
>>108728425>failure rate for rocketsI think the failure rate for the space X heavy at least 100% -- possibly over 100% if you include ones that didn't even get off the ground and were still fueling. What are we up to, 8? 9?
>>108728418I'm sure they'll totally go through with it just like the EU will bane ICE cars in 2030
>>108727751No?Despite being named "solar" panels, they are not actually made of light, anon. In fact, they harness light!
>>108728013It's only a matter of time before the left starts forcing you to hook into the grid and then starts taxing you on it per kwhr.
>>108728476I wouldn't put it past the EU to ban new ICE cars.
>>108728285I'll own the mistake, which also hid my bad starting numbers. However, why are your calculations assuming we'll just throw all of the U-238 away instead of utilizing it? Sure, that's not how most modern reactors are built, but also most modern reactors weren't built on the assumption that we'd be supplying all of the earth's energy using them. 15 years of supplying all of the earth's electricity and 2.5 years of supplying all of the earth's energy becomes 1,500 years and 250 years respectively with efficient separation of transuranics from fission products.
>>108728476If euros weren’t completely retarded they’d have switched already since they have no oil themselves, and electrics are just as good if not betterbut euros are the stupidest people outside of niggers so they’ll probably outlaw all cars and solar panels and coal and nuclear and… idk go live in the trees to save the planet
>>108728435>send waste to indiawhy even launch it then? leave it in the streets
>>108728508>why are your calculations assuming we'll just throw all of the U-238 away instead of utilizing it?Because that's the technology that actually exists. Breeder reactors with the kind of hypothetical efficiency you're proposing are in the 2 more weeks camp with fusion. They might be worth pursuing but all current reactors should be shut down to minimize the waste in the interim.Even with your optimistic hypothetical numbers you can see it runs out much faster than solar. Even 4 billion tons in the ocean would run out in 125,000 years with your proposed numbers (about 5470GWh/ton from breeder reactors) with current global energy demand. The best case scenario for nuclear is that the rivers supply 30,000 tons of uranium per year for billions of years which could provide 94% of current global energy demand with fantasy breeder reactors that get 5470GWh/ton. We're really digging into every best case fantasy scenario for this and it still doesn't cover all the world's energy demand.Solar technology that exists right now can be scaled to more than current global energy demand and last as long as the sun, with no nuclear waste problem which would still exist with breeder reactors just not as bad.
>>108727964those figures are cooked up by globohomo climate cultists. they don't factor in cost of mining, transportation, assembly, employee transportation food and waste, shipping, sales, batteries, electronics control and wiring, installation, maintenance etc. etc.They just invent some tiny energy manufacturing cost base on what chinks pinky promise swear is the cost of factory energy to produce, and the academics (who are funded by globohomo climate scam think tanks) cook the numbers on top of that.in short, you've been scammed once again by AI regurgitating made up nonsense
>>108728580So your argument is that the chink panels I can buy for peanuts today don’t actually exist? Or they do exist but chink gubmint inexplicably sells a $1000 panel for $100?>installation, maintenanceah yes, solar panels, the energy source thwt’s famously maintenance heavy compared to a fucking power plant
>>108728242Profoundly retarded financial argument. A monkey picking random stocks does 10% ROI. You want people to take out a loan at 7% to pay their power bill 10 years in advance?
>>108728594>they don't factor in cost of mining, transportation, assembly, employee transportation food and waste, shipping, sales, batteries, electronics control and wiring, installation, maintenance etc. etc.
lmao @ retards hereyou would need the total output of 4 suns to power california alonedo your own research
>>108728611this is bait
>>108728610So why are chinese subsidizing solar panels I can buy today, outside of china?
>>108728616you appear to have reading comprehension problems, anon.
Solar panels are fake energy.Are you an alpha make that uses oil or a s o y cuck getting his cuck energy from the sun?
>>108728616I spent $4k on amazon and now generate over 70% of my total year round electricity consumption in new mexico. I don’t even have batteries, but Ive been thinking if buying somestay mad, oilshitters
>>108728628Your argument is that panels are actually expensive as fuck, as the prices omit all those costs you mention - ie they’re subsidized. But why is the chinese government subsidizing solar panels I can buy in murrica?
>>108728629Solar energy is literally sitting in a cuck chair watching a chad (sun) have his way with all your appliancesI can think of more cucked things, but not many
>>108728646what's more cucked that having energy as a subscription service that you have keep paying for constantly or nothing you "own" will workthat's literally what oil isthe moment you stop giving Exxon your money, your car stops working
There’s fucking solar panels available to buy in Lidl now, in UK. You hang it on the outside of your balcony, plug it into a power socket and somehow it just works?Wack to buy energy generation at the same place you buy milk
>>108728642perhaps try reading the post again very slowly. no one said anything about "subsidizing," that is your reading comprehension disability causing hallucinations
>>108728661>I'm just popping off to the shops to get some milk and penguins>can you get a solar panel while you're out>yeah alright
>>108728672>umm chuddy prices are low because you omit X>no it isn’t subsidies, it’s uhhhretarded or esl?
>>108728684Can you buy penguins at the grocery shops in uk? That’s dope
>>108728672you're pants on head retardedwho is shouldering those costs you say aren't factored in? who is selling at a loss?
if everyone used solar panels the sun will run out of light too fast and go dark, consider safer alternatives like oil
>>108728703china is a commie shithole, of course they’d subsidize subversive tech, especially wince they don’t have oil themselves and they’re seething at countries that do
>>108727726If solar was a good idea, it wouldn't need to be subsidized. That works a general principle, too.
>>108727726how the fuck is this related to the immigration and customs enforcement have to do with renewable energy?To answer the question, america's infrastructure runs on thick crude oil, not renewables. Looking at their track record, i'd assume its the same reason why the USA didn't switch to bulpups or the metric system. They thought switching over isn't worth the hassle. "Juice isn't worth the squeeze".Don't over think it. Americans honestly think this is a good reason to sit on their ass and do nothing.
Everything renewable kinda revolves around chinaCheap solar panels = chinaAfrican installations of solar panels = funded by china, done by china companiesbatteries = mined chinanew battery tech that will facilitate the grid installations = china battery companiesIf you removed china from the equation right wingers would be largely correct about energy. You cant install renewables without massive waste of having fossil fuels always there when the wind doesnt blow. But since grid batteries are becoming a thing, house batteries are common, we no longer have lithium disaster situation because of chinese sodium ion the future is looking more sustainable.
Solar cucks how do you tilt your panels? I make lots of power in the summer but almost nothing in winter even on sunny days, my panels are running along the roof slope which is biased to the summer sun so I know I have to change the orientation once a year but these fucks are heavy, the rail is already saging with just 4 panels so if I just lift them up I'm afraid they will break.
>>108728688>>108728703*sigh*I guess I'll hold your hand because you do seem to have a real reading disability and that is actually sad and not something you can control.the post you are sperging out about was in reply to an AI generated quotation of academic calculations of the energy cost to manufacture a solar panel relative to the energy the solar panel harvests in its lifetime.the argument I presented was that such calculations omit the total energy cost of the solar panel in multiple domains, including many that only apply after the panel has left the Chinese factory (thus having nothing to do with the price a Chinese manufacturer charges for a panel -- the scenario you keep hallucinating).The post was not about your personal financial investment cost, but about deceptive energy cost calculations put forward by green energy propanagda academic studies.so as you can see now (hopefully), you have, this entire time, been arguing with a phantom hallucination caused by your reading comprehension disability.Best of luck saving for a solar panel to power your MacBook neovagina.
>>108728759how cold does it get where you're at? depending on your panel, it might get too difficult for it to produce electricity if its too cold.
if we had shitloads of cheap energy it would solve basically every problem we have. a ton of scarcity is just linked to electricity costing money. extracting and refining materials are mostly electrical costs. metal smelting. computation. travel. transport of goods. fertilizer production. desalination. it's really nice to think about what the world would be like if energy was no longer the limiting factor.
>>108728745based China making energy cheap while America is trying its best to make it more expensive for everyone
>>108728794How do you solve the existence of brown people with solar panels?
>>108728801And what are you going to do about it, turdie?
>>108728804it gets given to them by the chinese.
>>108728804it means autonomous death-squads could run continuously instead of having to stop and recharge, or be serviced by anglos. hydrogen power or synthetic fuels produced for "free" would mean that really you're only ongoing cost for the killing machines would be munitions and wear-and-tear.
>>108728605Profoundly retarded financial argument.>6.7kWh system will get you 9001 kWh per year>this costs about $20k to install professionally>the total cost of a $20k loan (7% interest, 15 year term) is about $33k over 15 years ($2200/month)vs>continue paying electricity as it increases in price>over 15 years you will pay about $51k ($3400/month)this is also ignoring>additional energy independence, esp if you have a shitty grid (like texas)>increase home value>you can refinance the loan>if you're handy enough to DIY you can get it done much cheaper
>>108727726>PLEASE WATCH MY GAY BOYFRIENDKill yourself.
>>108727751Yes that's why the calculator that I bought for $5 actually cost $10,000 to make
>>108728815using peak solar to make hydrogen to burn in turbines at night to provide a baseload is the future.cars, trucks and buses can all be electric but I think hydrogen conversions for diesel agricultural equipment would help with getting farms to go green as standardized bottles could be used (like propane forklifts) and a $5000 hydrogen fuel conversion kit is a lot more reasonable than buying a half million dollar new electric tractor.
>>108728738>get a 7% loan>get guaranteed 10%+ return on the electricity prices >net 3% gainYou're paying 7% on the remaining balance not the monthly payment. Your electric bill is 1/120th of that. It works out even worse if your forego gains on a lump sum.>increase in home value There is none. Source: I've seen people try to sell a house loaded up with Elon Musk shit more than once. Nobody cares about something they're going to have to have professionally removed in 5 years and then have the roof redone. There's also an increase in insurance premiums.
Every surface will be paved with solar panels and you will like it.
>>108728909Yeah I've been thinking this is the way to go for Europe at least. Most people outside Europe live where it's probably sunny enough for solar + batteries to be enough. Some parts of Europe have some pretty severe bouts of low sun+wind (dunkelflaute). Maybe it's possible to get through with batteries and a wide grid.Hydrogen seems like it's still not mature, synthetic gas from CO2 from direct air carbon capture may be better but slightly less efficient.
>>108728851Did you just delete your retard math only to come up with worse retard math? How the fuck are you paying $2200/mo on a 15 year loan for 20k? Have you never had a car payment?
>>108727801>from all the AI datacenters collapsing and leaving behind the hundreds of dedicated power plants that are in construction todayAll that gets rolled into your electricity bill.They have to justify why every time they raise utility prices, and CapEx like that is one of their favorite excuses.
>>108728909>make hydrogen to burn in turbinesThat is super inefficient.You lose about 80% of all energy vs about 10% when you use batteries.
>>108728971Yes but the scale of battery manufacturing needed is quite huge. Maybe achievable over decades. Take Germany, 488TWh/year or 1800GWh/day. If you want a week of storage that's 12,600GWh of batteries while global battery production in 2025 was around 2000GWh, some of that for EVs. Hydrogen/synthetic gas can theoretically be made now, but problem with hydrogen is the tech isn't fully mature and synthetic gas is sourcing the CO2.
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>>108728951should be $2200/year. math is the same.
>>108728778Arguments about total energy use are a favorite for obfuscators like you. Then you can simply ignore actual hard numbers like PV system costs and payback times.I'm sure you will find those massive hidden subsidies and hidden energy inputs some day. Keep looking!
>>108727726unless they can make a battery with twice the energy of the same volume as diesel, I'll never take EVs serious.
fossilcucks have no response to this
>>108729035It's the same level of retarded because you're not getting the same output from the system in year 1 as you are in year 15 and you're not accounting for gains on the outstanding balance.
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>>108729033I rly wish there was sitewide ban for posting AI slop outside of /b/
>>108729033great pic bhai
>>108727726solar panels don't work, they are a chinese scam. that's why china is the ONLY COUNTRY that makes solar panels Also I would never buy an electric car. I don't want musk or the government turning off my car
>>108729071non sequitur when you're spending money on electricity anyway.>>108729062>you're not getting the same output from the system in year 1 as you are in year 15 median degradation is 0.5% per year. use your brain.>you're not accounting for gains on the outstanding balance.doesn't matter. even if you invest the initial savings of not going solar, the increasing price of electricity overtakes it by year 8
>>108729021>1800GWh/dayCorrection, 1300GWh/day or 9300GWh for a week. Still a lot of battery needed, but since sodium ion batteries use abundant materials maybe it can become possible. 7 days of storage may be a bit on the conservative side too.
>>108728851>this costs about $20k to install professionallyDid you hire a movie star or an arab sheikh to do the work?
I put three solar panels on the roof and my ac has been free ever since, since its only too hot when the sun is outI could power the rest of my house with solar but I’m not a cuckold so I pollute the planet as God intended
>>108729195$20k includes price of panels and installation with gigajewing by electric company
>>108728013>you can literally install your own solarVery few people in Europe can afford it, it's almost entirely an American thing.
I love solar because it’s free energy for literally everybody on the planet except euromuttsa 20iq illiterate nigger from namibia will have free power in his mudhut while (you) will still pay to your friendly neighborhood muslim donkeyfucker who uses that money to push millions of muslims that hate you into your withering continent
>>108728435>Pay india to launch themRockets are launched east because that's the direction earth rotates. The rocket could literally fail mid launch and fall down into the US
>>108729236>Very few people in Europe can afford it?????There are people in africa building tiny installations so that they can get more than 3 hours of electricity a dayit takes like $5k for a basic 10 kw setup, incl the inverter and batteries. even slavshit countries don’t struggle with $5k
>>108729244Launch them from africa, on india’s latitude
why not use fusion instead
If you can't produce all the energy you need with one of these then you're not going to make it.
Solar fanatics are literal retards.
>>108729352>this fuckin faceuncanny valley ahh child
>make a hole in the ground>oil comes outwhy can’t other countries do it? are they stupid?
>>108727966>nuclear waste scawwy>therefore radiation-relasing coal and solar+batteries filled with heavy metals goodsame retardation as wanting to remove lead everywhere (and replacing it by arsenic)
>>108728363monsoon says hi
>>108729501>monsoonsorry but I’m white
>>108728418>coal freelol nowe burn oil when EU (germany) steals our hydro power
>>108727726>live in a place where i dont see the sun for 10 months every year>just buy solar panels broi wont
>>108729679Mole people need not apply
>>108727751hold on, is this some e=mc^2 joke...
>watching oilcucks seethe impotently from my 100% solar powered homeabstract kind of feelremember to send an angry letter when your power company slaps an extra $200 random charge (for the third time this year) alongside the second price hike
>>108729744yup, and it's also wrong, you'd get 2.4https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%28506+trillion+joules+%2F+c%5E2%29+%2F+silicon+density
Do Americans and oil shills realize that we're literally gonna run out of oil and gas in 50 years? What's the point of arguing what's the best when you will be literally forced out of your oil position no matter what.On top of that oil is used in thousands of products that hasn't got anything to do with burning it as fuel, why do you want to waste it as fuel??
>>108729895LiTeRaLlY
oil is a subscription model
>>108729895>we're literally gonna run out of oil and gas in 50 years?you said the same thing 50 years ago and look where we are, oil reserves somehow increased!
oil is heavily subsidized too. you can't complain about "muh solar is subsidized that's why it's so cheap" without talking about oil subsidies
>>108729895What is the point of not burning the cheap fuel while you have it available and making your country weaker and less competitive than other ones who will?
>>108729895They find new reserves all the time. Solar does make sense from an individual viewpoint, but certainly not from a state viewpoint of you don't want to get bankrupt.
>>108730368it's not cheaperpollutionyou're on a leash to whoever you import it from
>>108730388>get free energy from the sky>sell it>go bankruptthat's some next level retardation
>>108728784Mediterranean climate, doesn't even snow and it rarely goes below 0C, the sun is just not in the right place in the winter and would have to lift them 80cm off the roof to catch it.
I'm from deep red America, the REAL America, don't want them cuck solar panels and gay windmills here, this is MAGA country and we DRILL BABY DRILL.
>>108727726QRD? You can't just drop a bomb like this and leave it
>>108729343>only achieved energy production for the first time a couple of years agoProbably a long way to go still.
>>108727726>a niche youtuber makes interesting content>gets popular>start spewing his unsolicited political opinions>becomes unwatchableSad, many such cases. At this point he should ditch his YouTube channel and forever live in his BlueSky info bubble.Also, solar panels and windmills are a meme. They cause environmental damage no one ever talks about, are too underpowered to ever replace coal and gas energy demand, and every "green ecologist" pushing for this scam while demonizing nuclear energy simply has stakes in these companies, it's a massive grift undermining progress of humanity.Nuclear energy is genuinely safe and clean. The dangerous nuclear waste we can store deep underground where it'll never cause a threat to nature even after we go extinct, and the recent developments at Rosatom show that we can reuse that waste to both neutralize it and generate extra power from it. Except the green lobby has wrapped nuclear power in so much red tape while using the two scenarios that are least likely to ever happen again (an old flawed Soviet design that's practically phased out and a power plant getting hit by an unexpected record tsunami) to convince government boomers and the unwashed masses that nuclear power is evil that the only reason nuclear power is unviable is because the powers that be need to grift money instead of doing something useful that'll benefit all of mankind.
Everyone always ignores the cheapest and most environmentally friendly sustainable energy source in the world, slave labor. It only needs a minimal amount of water, can be fueled with food waste, works at night, works even with no wind, has integrated energy storage, and is biodegradable. Literally the perfect energy source yet nobody takes it seriously.
>>108730298>>108730389The thing is that I don't have to argue with you or even analyze the cost of pollution of oil, oil subsidies vs solar subsidies etc.I can simply point to the fact that every single country on earth is dependent on oil heavily. Countries like China are especially motivated to replace it as an energy source because they don't have any of their own and are in great need of energy to keep their status of a manufacturing superpower. They built a shitload of solar panels and keep producing them themselves, but it doesn't decrease their dependency on oil, instead they keep importing more each year.In fact, the strait of Hormuz closure may have on its own disproven the entire fat connections video. The whole world is trembling at the consequences of having less oil available, especially Asia and they keep fixing dependencies on oil by building more pipelines, not by building more solars.
>using anything but fossil energyyou a tranny or something boy? real alpha males burn them dinosaursthe sun doesn't produce enough energy to fuel the United States
>>108730468Nice try but my pastor has proven to me that dinosaurs never existed, it's all fake science religion shit.
>>108730298>>108730389>>108730456Oil is still very much used in plastics and lubricants.Japan recently had a shortage of greaseI think what's missing from the discussion here is that some of the most critical infrastructure and industry is operating in aeras that will likely never be independent from fossil fuels. It's not a matter of industry dominance they need to use these fuels but more the fact that a lot of baseline mining, farming and raw materials processing will never be able to afford the costs of modernizing and society has no desire to pay these industries enough for their labor to do so.
>>108727816>ruining natural waterways and habitats
>reddit threadIt takes ~48 years to get back the energy wasted producing 1 solar panel, keep falling for the green scam
>>108730521not a responsealso nobody is saying oil would go away. but it should go away as a fuel source.
>>108730521>plasticsplastics would be so recycled if not for virgin precursors being literal waste that you get paid to take
>>108730527its just glass and metal, what kind of facebook boomer misinformation is this.
>>108730527Not that I don't trust you, butI would legitimately want a source for this.
>>108730537Plastics cannot be recycled the same way glass and metal can be as they actually degrade. We need a steady supply of fresh ethylene to produce plastics, and the best way to get it is petrochemical sources.For example, EV's are a grift and a meme. The environmental impact of producing them is massive, and they rely on oil. Polyethylene for plastics? Oil based. Asphalt needed for them to drive on? Oil based. Not to mention the environmental impact of mining lithium for the batteries. Solution? Propane gas conversion of existing ICE cars. These cars have been manufactured, still work, and it makes more sense to reuse them than to waste resources on recycling them. Propane emissions are negligible compared to petrol, and again, we get it from refining oil, same source for asphalt, ethylene and hydrogen, we cannot just drop oil, but we can be smarter about it's use. Convert all petrol engines to propane and you're reducing global CO2 emissions by a massive amount without creating new CO2 emissions by mamufacturing new EV cars.The purpose of a system is what it does. All these "ecological" "solutions" are just a grift to make easy money.
>>108730539The solar cells require very energy expensive mineral extraction and processing, and very polluting tooThe energy wasted building 1 big solar farm could power a city like New York for decades, but you green new deal communists are never gonna admit it
>>108730594even if they require plastics to be built, it is far less than how much oil is used by ICE cars (which also require plastics to be built) over their lifespan
>>108727726Because freedom is slavery.
>>108727775or maybe, you know, could use less.
>>108730526>ruining natural waterways and habitatsGo hug a fucking tree, faggot.
>>108730621and the modern "right" is literally just incels trying to be contrarian. no policy, no sanity, no dignity, only memes.kys.
>>108730602Again, reduce, reuse, recycle. We can't reduce oil dependency much, we can reuse IVE cars with LPG, and jumping to recycling is because the automotive industry needs to keep making money by selling you brand new EV's and there's no money in LPG conversions of existing cars that's the most feasible route for us to reduce global CO2 emissions, alongside switching from coal and gas to fission for boiling water.All modern "ecology" is blatantly lying to people and making everyone believe true ecological solutions are evil just to make a quick buck.
>>108730596surely you have a source
>>108727726>believing some 50 year old boomer grifting on youtubedid the money from the flat earth crowd dry up so now he has to grift obviously bullshit le environmental trash?
>>108727816Not every country in the world has a Colorado River to build a Hoover Dam. In fact, barely any country has the geographical ability to build a hydroelectric plant.
>>108730643ask gork, retard
>>108730602It's always perplexing how petrolheads will try to count every bit of pollution making an EV emits to the point where they'll even include the CEO's dog into the equations but when it comes back to the ice car suddenly you have to ignore everything and just focus on the CO2 out the tailpipe. Transporting gas? Producing gas? Transporting crude? Extracting crude? Nah, didn't happen.
gonna be honest dawg, I like oil not only because it's cheap (you're not some worthless eurocuck, right?) but because it makes leftoids seethei dont care if solar is cheaper or not, and i'll roll coal driving past your cuck 'raising awareness' gatherings laughing at you
>>108730446>Facts I don't like are "politics"
>>108730657>ask gork, retardwtf?
>>108730679>be on /g/>completely fucking clueless about techsounds about right
>>108730684LLMs are not a source, retard.
>>108730527any other numbers stuck in your ass you want to pull out?
>>108730655Okay. Then you're an asshole.
>>108730655let alone the ecological destruction dams cause as well.
>>108730687yes they make everything up, which is why there's now two ai companies worth trillion dollar eachgood talking with ya
>>108730665>Transporting gas? Producing gas? Transporting crude? Extracting crude?All accounted for by the fact all "ecological" solutions are still dependent on oil in some capacity, and during refining we get all byproducts in bulk. Ethylene, tar, hydrogen, propane, diesel, petrol, all of it is a part of the same process. Acting like the "ecological" "solutions" aren't contributing to it is to be a green grifter shill.We already have to refine oil no matter what. We already have millions of running ICE cars. Therefore, converting ICE cars en masse to run on LPG will meaningfully decrease global CO2 emissions. There is no magical "zero emission" solution, but there are meaningful emission reduction solutions. But again, corporate cunts won't get any money out of these solutions.The purpose of a system is what it does.
>>108730700>yes they make everything upcorrect.
>>108730698>ecological destruction dams causeyou should kill your entire family before they cause any further ecological destructiongotta save them fish and them snails
>>108730701>you see, we have to keep the status quo which has no off-ramp, instead of building new shit now so we have a reasonable off-ramp for future generations.shit like this makes me realize how fucked humanity is.
>>108730701>invest money into a 20 year old clanker to make it slightly less shit instead of just buying the good shityou do you
>>108730715Except this new shit that has a reasonable off-ramp is being pushed as a magical solution that'll replace the status quo overnight and we have to do so right now or else the entire planet will burn, even though that's completely unfeasible if you look at the facts.We still need to refine oil to do anything. Would be nice to replace it all, but tough shit, it's still the cheapest source of the raw materials we need in the quantity we need. Even if there are alternatives to obtaining ethylene for plastics, and even if we'd be able to eat the billions in costs to get them going, who's to say they won't have a bigger environmental impact in both the short- and long-term?But it's nice to see that the green lobbyist have successfully brainwashed people into supporting their grift. After all, if we were to actually reduce emissions by switching from petrol to LPG, that's zero money to the automotive industry as no one will buy their brand new EV's they've invested so much into and lobbied the politicians so much for, and the green consulting firms and other organizations of that sort won't be able to make perpetual money for just sitting on their asses and talking when the problem they supposedly exist for ceases to exist.>>108730718Calculate how much building new EV's and asphalt roads for them cost in terms of environmental impact, how much the pipe dream of oilless production of this EV utopia infrastructure would cost today, and how much LPG conversions of even 5-10 year old petrol cars (nice exaggeration there btw) would cost today and how much it would realistically lower global CO2 emissions.The only reason you refuse to accept LPG conversions is because you've been brainwashed by the greenwashing lobbyists into letting them make easy money while fucking over humanity in the long term.
>>108727751My drafting instructor once joked that a cube was worth 700k at my college because all they did was that as a test run and had no classes for it yet.
>>108730829>and we have to do so right now or else the entire planet will burnprobably, ya.>even though that's completely unfeasible if you look at the facts.then I guess we die. gg no re
>>108730829The reason I refuse to accept LPG conversion is because it's a stupid fucking ideas when you can buy an electric car that is way simpler mechanically to the point nothing really breaks there and you can drive it for free as long as you slap a bunch of dirt cheap panels on your property. I don't give a shit about emissions, I don't give a shit about muh saving the planet or muh environmental impact, electrics are just superior technology, and solar is the superior energy generation now that batteries are finally becoming a solved problem with lifepo4 being cheaper by the year and lasting 20 years>building new EVsnew cars will be built anyway. might as well build good ones>muh alphalt roads??? are electrics not able to use existing infrastructure somehow? or are you crying about how the slightly heavier electrics wear out the roads in just two weeks, please ignore the fact that trucks weigh way more?tldr youre a bitch
>>108730868>i refuse to accept LPG because if everyone did these specific things we'd all be savedHere's your problem. Everyone who buys an EV will just hook it up to their outlet, overload the grid that wasn't meant for EV's, and will strain the turbines in gas and coal power plants. You want that solar panel pipe dream? Good luck mandating that you can only buy an EV if you can charge it from solar panels, the automotive lobby won't ever let you do the sensible thing as that goes against their infinite profits.And yeah, we should build better cars, so why not move to EV manufacturing only, and also keep using existing petrol cars for that "reuse" part of the cycle.Also you'll need to expand the road infrastructure anyway, and you'll need the materials to do so. Where will we get them from? Oh that's right, "just stop oil" is a fucking fairy tale.tldr you just don't understand shit about the world.
>>108730890ok, so maybe we need to ban cars? simple as.
>the same autist making the same anti-nuclear threads over and over>repeating the same talking points over and over>ignoring everything that disagrees with his world view>no matter what is discussed, the same thread with the same premise and talking points will just be remade
asphalt is probably the most recycled thing in the world, why is this nigger bringing it up
>>108730890>ahkshually the world will explode if people charge their cars>le automotive lobby will come steal your shit off your roof>your government won't invest in literally free energy btw, they'd rather pay middle east goatfuckers forevercmon now>And yeah, we should build better cars, so why not move to EV manufacturing only, and also keep using existing petrol cars for that "reuse" part of the cycle.It's probably a good idea and I don't really have an issue with it.>just stop oilI didn't argue about stopping oil tomorrow, I argued that electric cars and solar panels + batteries for storage is significantly better than status quo in almost every way
>and will strain the turbines in gas and coal power plantsis this written by a woman?
>>108730933nah women don't know what turbines are or how electricity is madeit's just a gay guy, what with caring about environment
>>108730907That's a great idea! Let's ban all cars overnight, see how well it'll fare for politicians and their ratings when people won't be able to get groceries or other basic necessities due to there not being a plan B in place for this sudden reduce of people's mobility, as well as corporations when workers, especially physical factory workers are unable to get to their workplace.On the macro scale shit's way too complicated compared to what green lobbyist peddle and there is no one good way to solve these issues.>>108730915I'd argue that nuclear fission > solar in every conceivable way. We can realistically decommission coal and gas with nuclear, meet the current energy demand, and create a great energy buffer for the EV revolution. As for EV's themselves, I'm not disagreeing an electric motor is a much more elegant solution.But Li-ion batteries are awful, be it because they're a potential fire bomb you cannot extinguish, or because they're ridiculously expensive and put an expiration date on your car. A better, less dangerous and more durable battery technology is one thing. And my biggest gripe that also carries over to modern ICE cars, you don't own them. They phone home to the manufacturer and they can disable the car you've paid out of the ass for if they so desire. So fuck that noise, I want to own my car, ICE or EV.Give me an EV that isn't a potential lithium fire death trap and has zero online connectivity and we'll talk. In the meantime, I find petrol engines and older, pre-2020 offline cars to be the better choice.
>>108728616>why are chinese subsidizing shit I can buy today, outside of china?Do you really not know? They are subsidizing their industry and artificially outcompeting western manufacturing to destroy it. This is a typical monopoly play, undercut your competition untill they're starved dead, resume normal business while squeezing your costumer base without repercussions.
>>108730945I don't understand the point of these copes. We all knows it's basically over, yet you have to bend over backwards to defend what we all know is unworkable (the status quo).Why? Are you a retirement age boomer or something, faggot?
>>108730907Yes, if your ultimate goal is to reduce CO2 emissions, you should ban all industry and transportation, but nobody wants that including (You).
>>108730964the status quo is working
>>108730945>I'd argue that nuclear fission > solar in every conceivable waysadly my country doesn't allow building nuclear power plants in your backyardthe prices are retarded too, compared to dirt cheap solar/wind. it also takes forever to actually build the fucking thingsnuclear is good for baseline, but it just isn't economical in current_year>but it could be done cheaper and quickerbut it isn't>Li-ion batteries are awfulthey really aren't>they're a potential fire bomb you cannot extinguishand how often does it happen?>put an expiration date on your caryou probably aren't driving a 30 year old ice either>you don't own them. They phone home to the manufacturer and they can disable the car you've paid out of the ass for if they so desire.https://rivian.com/support/article/can-i-disable-all-data-collection-from-my-vehiclethat's rivian, which sells cheap cars that use connectivity for geofencing etc. most others you just take out the module and go on your way. it IS a problem, but there's no legal obligation you need to be connected all day>but in the futureno stop coping
>>108730980>One meme war completely buck-breaking global energy markets>Mass extinction event actively ongoing >Climate change>WorkingUh... ok.
>>108731000What's wrong with those things?
>>108731000isnt there a bigger supply chain risk with solar than oil? only one country manufactures solar panels
Right, I see there's no point in discussing this further since the greentards will go "no it isn't" like it's a fucking Monty Python sketch and will declare victory despite me going in-depth about the global logistics of what would be the most feasible in the long run without declaring EV's as a failed technology outright.Just goes to show that greentards don't want to listen about solutions or the complicated realities of ecology. They just want to change things now and overthrow the old thing overnight as if that's possible outside of some delusional fairy tales.
>>108731039>isnt there a bigger supply chain risk with solar than oil?you cannot be seriousif oil gets cut off you have a problem in two weeksif the source of solar panels and batteries get cut off you have a problem in twenty fucking yearswe'll probably actually get fusion by the time a pv setup built today is no longer usable
>I ran out of arguments so I'm just going to call you a doodoo head :)thanks for playing
>>108727751How and why the fuck would you have a cubed centimetre of solar panel? You might as well be selling me a car by telling me it goes 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene. Also, solar panels can generate enough energy to pay for themselves. If what you were saying even could be remotely true, that simple observation would not be possible given the fact that energy costs money.
>>108731076Said the guy who wouldn't argue his point beyond "no it isn't".Online arguing is a fun, but unproductive past time, but at some point it gets so retarded that you just no longer find it enjoyable and call it quits. In the meantime I'm gonna hop into my ICE car to drive to a family barbecue. Have fun wasting your time here ig
>>108731069in a war
>>108731098But how? Are chinks going to reposess all the panels they already exported? Shut off the sun?>>108731096doodoo head
>>108730957I honestly don't believe in this China is subsiding crap and they'll pivot to charging western prices any day now. Literally every time China infects something it never gets more expensive, the pivot never comes. It just seems like massive cope from the US and west in general who refuse to do the hard shit. Most of the discourse around manufacturing in the US today is generalized shops often centered around CNC making tiny batches of parts.Meanwhile China actually has factories with assembly lines, automation and tooling for anything. The only time the west does this is for extremely high value products like chips or cars or it's something dead simple like molded plastics China has cheap labor so that likely has a lot to do with it but the general culture around manufacturing is just so much better in China.IDK why everyone turns schizo with "magical Chinese subsidies" when the truth so so easy to pick out even as an outsider. Even Prusa was screaming at the hills like a retard at why a 3d printer with zero printed parts is cheaper than his with printed parts.
>>108730987>rivian>cheapThey start at $72k
>>108727816>a fucking turbine again >same shit like Nuclear, wind, Oil, Coal, Gas i am so fucking tired of this shithole planet
>>108731115>But how? Are chinks going to reposess all the panels they already exported? Shut off the sun?idk. what are the risks with panels? they are more decentralized which makes them harder to attack and defend. every loss is permanent if you dont manufacture them. there are also constantly ones that need replacing regularly as well. not sure how you would attack them either. tungsten rain or something
>>108731149>not sure how you would attack them eitheryou wouldn't because a single panel is almost completely worthlessif you have enough munitions to make a meaningful drain on the energy generation of your enemy you pretty much already won, practically anything else you could hit is higher roi
>>108731076>>108731051>>108730933Do you have a disability which compels you to respond to everything you see online while also being unable to use the stupidly simple reply function that's conveniently available? Get the fuck off of this site.
>he so mad
>>108730655You can build a hydroelectric plant just about anywhere that isn't dry enough where the water will evaopurate or will be otherwise vitally needed. If you have it function as a battery. Renewables are so cheap, it's an increasingly sensible thing to build.
what if solar panels drain sun too much? would it just be darker or would it shut off for like an hour every day?
>>108727751Solar panels don't come in cubes, idiot.
>>108728909Incredibly inefficient and you have to burn fresh water, I rather keep the fresh water.
>>108727726>get home in the evening>want to charge my car>sun don't shinewat nu?
>>108731475In case I wasn't clear:Solar and wind only avoid the extraction phase of energy generation. It's not the first phase, and it's not the last phase, and the other parts are very expensive.
>>108729361>he doesn't have a sun powered 5090Just turn on DLSS5
>>108731484Why not park on the moon we totally can go to?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RQwXM5g-Ny4That's my final answer. Park on the moon, plug into the lunar-wide solar panel network. Should do the trick.
>>108731480The robots are never going to forgive us for destroying their best cooling solution.
>>108727751>source: my crack pipe.png
>MAGA Secretary of Energy is a psycho looking fag who likes drilling oil both in men's asses and the groundOIL IS GAY
>>108729033Why use faggy AI when the original is way more potent?
>>108731086>>108731427see >>108729777
>>108731137Hydro is not just another way to boil water since you don't have to cool the exhaust.I do wonder what percentage of potential energy is converted to electricity.
>>108729053still struggling i see>they don't factor in cost of mining, transportation, assembly, employee transportation food and waste, shipping, sales, batteries, electronics control and wiring, installation, maintenance etc. etc.Pull up one (1) study that accounts of the collective energy cost of all of the above (which is not even a complete list of energy sources that contribute to the calculation).You won't because climate propagandists are liars who fudge the numbers to promote utopian fantasies.
>you can buy a dozen solar panels for the price of a diet soda>b-but hidden costs
>>108729060Why doesn't this factor in replacement batteries and panels every n years?Oh, because that would obliterate your argument? Makes sense.
>>108729075Found one
>>108731137you vill boil the water and you vill be happy
>>108731912but did you factor in all the water and mcdonalds required to raise the dinosaurs?
>>108731920why do you still think this is about your own personal our or pocket cost?the discussion is about the fraudulent manner in which solar panel energy cost from minerals to installed on your roof and maintained (including batteries) is calculated by climate propagandists to make it appear as if solar panels recoup their embodied energy costs sooner than they actually do.it has nothing to do with the price of slave labor in China and what you paid for a panel on Aliexpress>>108731974>solar tranny cope
>>108732001>he didn't factor it>c-cope!I accept your concession
>>108728285>we currently mine about 60,000 tons of uranium per year for 2.6PWh/year of nuclear energy60k tons of ore isn't 60k tons of uranium you fucking retard
>>108732001>why do you still think this is about your own personal our or pocket cost?what else could it possibly be about?people switch to electric cars and solar for electricity cause it's a better deal than buying from some middle eastern churkas or being jewed by your power company who want another yachti couldn't care less about environmental costs, it's just a neat bonus that it's better than oil
>>108727726Blocked his channel after his disaster of a video and I'll be hiding this thread too. Stop throwing away half your audience for the dopamine rush of a lukewarm political take.
>>108732064you're simply discussing a separate subject than the thread you entered.you're rather like a retarded child bursting into a dining room and demanding attention because you had a successful poop
>>108732001If solar panels took as much energy to manufacture as they produce over their lifetime we would see it reflected in global energy use statistics. Global installations went from about 200GW in 2022 to 600GW in 2024. 200GW would be about 6,600TWh over its lifetime which is how much you're saying it took to produce them. Then 600GW in 2024 would be 20,000TWh, an increase of ~13,000TWh. Global energy consumption only increased by 5,000TWh in that time, so which 8,000TWh of energy consumption was displaced during that time to accomodate solar? Such a massive increase would surely be reflected somewhere right? If solar production reaches 1200GW/year it would take 40,000TWh/year to produce them if they take as much energy to manufacture as they produce, or 23% of all yearly energy consumption.
>>108732115They use dumb fuck rhetoric to try and weedle you into accepting their whole set of claims just because there are some existing small good points.That happens all the time, they are destroyers and exploitative extractors, and you can't let them even speak.You don't let a stranger come into your own house and yell at your dog.They are thieves and scammers, they hate you and think you are stupid, and use arguments to rape your wallet, your land, and your race.
>>108732115wrong
>>108731524>it only reduces it by half>thatisn't 100% so it's useless!!!i bet youre one of the retards who refused a vaccine because it was only 99% effective
>>108731137Look up osmotic power.
>>108728864it's battery powered with a fake photocell
>>108727726FissionFusionHydroIf you use anythign else, you're a massive faggot. Solar pannels are fine for low power off grid/mobile usecases.
>>108727726>solar is le cheap>look inside>it's le heckin expensiveLeftism is a mental illness.
>>108732627But one of the steps of the process of generation is free!!! FREE ENERGY
>>108732627https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU86MpVAIPM
>>108732627In addition>China is le heckin 60% renewable!>if you only use peak numbers>actually it's like 8% renewable
>>108730446>They cause environmental damageNot much per capita, with less and less over time.>are too underpowered to ever replace coal and gas energy demandNot true, it only takes less than 1% of land in the USA for energy demands, even less as efficiency gains outpace the 1-2% annual energy demand growth, even less if you combine it with wind energy in rural plains. Nuclear has a few niches like: long distance shipping, space travel, and remote locations.>Except the green lobby has wrapped nuclear power in so much red tape while using the two scenarios that are least likely to ever happen again Yeah this is wrong, not excusable.>to convince government boomers and the unwashed masses that nuclear power is evil that the only reason nuclear power is unviable is because the powers that be need to grift money instead of doing something useful that'll benefit all of mankind.There's more to it than what is in your post or the heads of those you mentioned. from an engineering prospective it has way less frequent and complex maintenance schedules to plop solid state solar PV systems in a lot of latitudes, this makes it way cheaper to operate than nuclear as it stands. From a politicians prospective, a lot of the current Nuclear advisors are invested in their own projects and expertise, also hardly any politicians want to take the heat and cancel some of the current nuclear projects for the newer ones (nor just increase spending). Then there's China who are using their one party system to implement & test some of these designs (with cheaper labor as well), So might as well buy it off them since it'll be cheaper.
>>108732746Solar and wind are 18% in that pic though? Add in hydro and nuclear it's a lot higher than "8% renewable"
>>108732627looks like a plot of purchasing power parity
>>108732627>muh leftismTexas has led in new solar installations in recent years. You're living in the past old man.
>>108732627It's simply because the EU can't into cheap electricity whether it's renewable or not and they are the only countries so far with significant solar+wind adoption so we cannot compare to other regions. If you remove the European countries it looks largely uncorrelated.
>>108732404>low power/off grid use casesyou can power your entire home (and EV) with solar
>>108732890I mean if you look just at the EU it acutally looks like renewables are correlated with lower prices.
I'll never understand how renewable energy became political.It should be something boring, quiet, calmly adopted because more power done locally just makes sense.And even if you made it political: Fossil fuels fund kooky weirdos the bankroll fundies so even then it's a no brainer
>>108732115another retard hallucinating a different conversation taking place because they have a reading comprehension disability
>>108727751anon that posted this post here checking in.the joke is that the post is a wildly false claim which is what the title of the video screenshot in OP is about.every single one of you took it seriously and lost your minds, because you are all retards.
>>108732981>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>108732964It's a direct response to>make it appear as if solar panels recoup their embodied energy costs sooner than they actually do.Which is what you've been claiming since near the start of the thread here >>108728580
>>108733001The video title thumbnail says "oh the lies people tell about these..." referring to solar panels.The joke is that I told an lie so outrageous it should be obvious satire related to the OP.But it turns out the real joke is that anons like you are so low IQ and autistic that you parse blatant satire as genuine commentary.>>108733001
>>108733002Your response is not relevant to that post at all.
>>108732627now just europe...tldr >>108732789 >>108732883 >>108732890 are right
>>108733239also >>108732941 is correct
>>108730526guys we need to stop those hydro projects from ruining hecking environment let's build 10 coal fired plants instead
>>108728794>a ton of scarcity is just linked to electricity costing money. think of the shareholders' profits you antisemitic fool
>>108727751>>108727775Thiel bots always respond really fast
solar panels are all made in china. this is a sino-israli scam
Just stop replying to solar retards. None of these people have solar arrays. They don't even own houses or land to put them on. It's a peak reddit hero fantasy. If solar made people money, it would be widely adopted, but it doesn't, even with subsidies.. It's that shrimple. When you're curious why something is or isn't occurring look at the bottom line. That's why.
>>108727726>"YOU ARE BEING MISLED">Lies by omission, implication, and directly in his gay little communist rantUnsubscribed, thanks for letting us know you support open borders you little faggot. This annoyed me enough to sign up as a volunteer for my republican senator's campaign. I live in Georgia btw :)>>108727751Kek>>108727775Completely wrong, stop lying.
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>>108733625This graph means nothing you 100 iq midwit. Plants last half a century.
>>108733899
>>10873389930-40 years for natural gas plants, similar to the 30-40 years (more if you don't mind or resell degraded panels) modern mono-crystalline solar panels last for.
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>>108728418Finding out that a large majority of the heavy metals in the ocean were from coal burning powerplants is what radicalized me.Coal is the reason I can't eat tuna every day like I so desperately want to.Coal and, for whatever reason, small scale gold mining. If we could just fix those two stupid issues I could eat tuna without getting brain cancer
after the collapse, when the world regresses to XVIIth century technology, there wont be any oil left for us to have another industrial revolution. therefore technology will stagnate at that level, forever. this unironically is a good thing.
>>108734081yes, just ridding the world of coal will be a positive for the food cycle even if you think climate change is bullshit
>>108730640>>108730701as >>108730665 said, there are essentially three things that go into creating a vehicle which can drive>the frame, wheels, etc>the engine/transmission/etc>the energy which provides it with power#1 is a constant#2 and #3 are variableeven if #2 requires more of an initial investment (usage) of petrol (and other fossil fuels), it is far and away outweighed by the lower usage of petrol (and other fossil fuels) used to power itthis is also seen in its carbon emissions (note this image is from 2021 and so more reliant on high-carbon electricity generation)
>>108727726We get this thread once and once again, always with the same fake arguments from anti-solar shillbots. And it's obvious that we are talking to bots because once evidence gets posted, they simply stop replying and the thread dies.What's the point? Is someone using 4chan as a way to analyze discussions and to extract plausible but fake arguments or some shit? It's really odd how these pointless threads repeat over and over.
>>108727801>two decades to pay for themselvesthat is literally no time at all in the grand scheme
>>108728580So chinks have this mysterious energy source that allows them to sell 100 dollar dollar panels that should instead cost million times more energy to produce? Your original figure here >>108727964 is 30 million times off. Sure you used hyperbole, but you have yet to explain why do chinks sell it so cheaply to make it appear viable. Fossil fuel is not free so they have to have some source that allows them to make solar panels so cheap even if the process is extremely polluting or whatever other excuse you have to why we don’t make it here.
>>108728809send all his brown relatives to replace your native population and buy things from china instead of america.
>>108735015they stole the technology from Australia which always misses out on patenting their shithttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-13/martin-green-role-in-solar-power-unstoppable-rise/106499018
>>108727726A 10cm cube (19kg) of uranium has the equivalent energy of 65 MILLION KILOGRAMS of coal. 1 nuclear power plant = roughly 10 MILLION solar panels. I never want to hear anything from renewable faggots about efficiency when they've actively contributed to keeping nuclear down - ironically to the interest of fossil fuel interests, because nuclear is actually their primary threat since it's the only non-fossil fuel able to reliably provide baseload power.
>>108732627>muh based and epic heckin scienarino nuclear France = expensive electricityyeah there's only really one truly cheap form of power and that's hydro power that's entirely dependent on geography and can't simply be scaled up.
>>108735158baseload power was only a thing because coal had to be run 24/7. LED bulbs means night time requirements aren't even that much even though it was already reduced which is why electricity was cheaper at night. Nuclear, hydro, wind and grid batteries can provide the night energy requirements.Solar can provide the peak energy requirements.we don't need coal, gas or oil and eventually we will figure out fusion.
>millions of tonnes of concrete, steel and exotic alloys, if one important part fails or doesn't meet specs it could cost billions to rectify which needs hundreds of college educated skilled operators and engineers>vs some glass window panes with a few microns of goo on them installed by day laborers signed off by a local electrician.
>>108735238its not either or, its both. we need both.both technologies have their advantages.
>>108735238Nuclear isnt that complicated, its just legislated to be unpopular due to costs from over regulation when the fuel is negligible cost eu should've been building nuclear plants at steady rate in every country from 90s to 2026 and moved to renewables when battery tech for grids started to become viable
>>108735238> real world working solution> vs half-assed cope
>>108735246The fact that cheap solar now exists means that nuclear can't profit at all while the sun is up, only the dawn/evening shoulders and a little bit overnight which batteries are also eying off.There's no point trying to throttle back a nuclear plant during the day, fuel costs are nothing compared to the immense capital costs of building the plant so they're designed to run at near 100% all the time. Gas pairs well with renewables because the plants are responsive, very cheap to build but the fuel is expensive. But not nuclear.
>>108735277>minicomputers will never go anywhere, thin client + mainframes are simply the most efficient way of utilizing expensive computing hardware which will never ever become cheap consumer goods.
>>108734081burn the coal pay the toll
>>108734993>>108735238why are all solar panels made in china?
To justify building a new nuke plant you have to make a bet that batteries won't get even a little bit cheaper in the next 50 years.>flow batteries>sodium-ion>solid state lithium>metal air>liquid metalwill all be nothingburgers and even the price of current gen lithium batteries won't drop at all even when mass production keeps scaling up with EVs and solar battery storage.
Why do americans worship oil companies?
>>108735349Gives them an excuse to stage middle eastern "interventions" on behalf of God's Chosen.
>>108735349>>108735355why do thirdies seethe about the US nonstop?
>>108727751>>108727775i can't tell if those are bots, they are baiting anons or just retarded americans The Sun produce more energy in one second than all of the energy mankind will produce in century
>>108730446stop noticing :)
>>108731475enjoy the solar panels melting in too much heat and leaching chemicals into groundwater
>>108735437>Get the No1 spot in the world after taking your time picking allies>Be in first place for nuclear from start and decades>Spend more time breaking other fledging political ideologies in infancy >Literally go to the moon with significant amount of GDP>Motherball your non weapons proliferation Molten Salt Thorium Reactor >Destroy brown people with nuclear dreams because... Uh, can't trust dem boiz with za nukes>Still don't transition to safer & cheaper nuclear because oil cartel says no>Get mad at China for actually bringing back industrial progress>Stifle any progress to halt global warming anyway effecting, you guessed it, those brown people I'm from Europe and I can see this.
>>108735158>I never want to hear anything from renewable faggots about efficiency when they've actively contributed to keeping nuclear downI hate greentards so much it's unreal
>>108735303and guess what, now we're going back to mainframes with every app and service being online only and requiring full doxx to use
>>1087351582m^2 thin panels passively sat in a field that needed less sun to preserve water anyway vs several decades build of tons of support infrastructure that still ends up being more expensive (even with out construction set backs)
>>108730446He was never watchable. I knew he was full of it since the video where he complained how some cars don't have amber lights to signal.
>>108736340red turn lights are peak retardation thoughbeit
>>108736201>>I'm from Europeyeah. a butthurt third world shithole full of retard who can't go to the moon but for some reason overestimate their intelligence when they are basically indian
>>108735606the dumbest American is smarter than the smartest yuropoor. that's why yurop is too dumb to put a man in space. the jeets will put a man in space before yuropoors
