>Chinese court ruled companies cannot fire employees solely to replace them with AI>Cost cutting via automation is not a valid legal justification for termination>Employers must show legitimate operational reasons beyond just AI adoptionNOPE!Sorry clanker, maybe get some flesh and bones.
>>108728339usually i'm anti china but this is pretty based if true
>>108728339Simply for cost cutting doesn't work. But it can work if workers are unwilling to use AI tools. And if the workers dont produce work or value, then its legal to fire. Further its legal to not hire a replacement
>>108728339An underpaid bugman is way cheaper than AI.
Fucking communists,.I should be able to choose who I employ.
>>108728339>commie shithole does commie retardationwhat else is new
You'd think liberating workers from having to work and achieving real communism by distributing the production from AI to everyone would be china's goal but here we are......
>>108728339>>Employers must show legitimate operational reasons beyond just AI adoptionaaaand that's the loophole, expect mass AI adoption in china land
>>108728339>houses are for living, not for speculation>cannot fire employees solely to replace them with AIchinkbros eating good
>>108728339retarded law to impress the brainless masses.This is whats gonna happen>companies will not hire new employees because its too difficult to fire them>companies that already have hired employees that are replaceable by AI will become noncompetitive and will be eaten alive by new companies who are doing the same using AI, eventually going broke.>some companies will find the way to fire people anyway giving bullshit reasons
Amazing how the worst country on earth issues better legislation than the land of the free
>>108728339of all countries, china now sticking up for its own citizens while in the west we're being eaten alive by CEO's and their retard agenda.
>>108728695Modern China is more capitalist than the US
>>108728339>AI Will Replace Human Workers And Take Our Jo—>NOPE!>Sorry clanker, maybe get some flesh and bones.You mean something china does because it's ruled by the communist party meanwhile, Europe and the US but more effectively in the US People will be losing their jobs and lose opportunity in the future because both countries are beholden by the capital holder. This won't help you OP unless, you are Chinese.
>>108728339The US is just a bunch of jews and good goyim at the top pulling up the ladder
>>108728682You can choose who to employ. You cannot choose who you fire. If you have employed someone, and you find that AI eliminates the need for their position, you must find a new position for them. You don't get to burden the state with the unemployment you have created.
>>108728339in China, the greater good is the priority, not individual freedom. only china can control billionaires. the west are cucks in denial
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>>108728339>you need to work 9/9/6 because we need the labor to make China great again>NOOO YOU CAN'T BE REPLACED WITH A 24/24/7 CHEAPER VERSION OF YOURSELF
This really disappoints me in China. I thought they would use their communist ideology to push full automation of the entire workforce since labor isn't needed and no one should care in a communist system that work gets automated because liberation of the working class is the entire purpose of communism.I thought China would take over the world by being the only society that would aim for 100% automation in the short term compared to capitalist countries where every worker would be afraid of job losses because in capitalism your income is tied to your work unlike in full blown communism where ideologically it would be beneficial to automate as much as possible.
>>108729349>This really disappoints me in China. I thought they would use their communist ideology to push full automation of the entire workforce since labor isn't needed and no one should care in a communist system that work gets automated because liberation of the working class is the entire purpose of communism.What the fuck are you on about?You are confusing liberalism with communism.it's the lazy liberals that want to never work again in their life and live off UBI, why do you think some like capitalism that much when you have the capital you have to do fuck all. Meanwhile with the Chinese system, the Chinese people have to do less and less hard work and have more time to do anything else, this is a far more enlightened way of living. Also they are not making AI illegal to use, they are making it illegal for companies to use it as an excuse to replace the working class with machines.
>>108729447To add on that.The distinction here is.ME ME ME vs WE!
>>108728339Good, let them try something different even if it fails unlike literally every developed country giving all profits to ZOG.
>>108728339>thinking anyone will follow the rules>in chinalol...lmao...
>>108729163They are definitely not. The Party rules China, not capital. They are not communist either. There are capitalists in China for sure, extremely wealthy too, but in the end, it's the Party that rules and governs. No matter how rich you are, if the Party perceives you as a threat or judges your action to be harmful to the nation, you will lose your fortune, your wealth, your freedom and sometimes even your life. On the other hand, United States is a textbook capitalist state designed from top to bottom to serve and protect the extremely wealthy clique in charge - usurers, oligarchs and landlords who own and profit from capital and the work of others. After hitting a certain wealth treshold in the United States you are in practice above the law, and your only concern is getting Luigi'd. The state will never prosecute you in any actually meanigful way, but it works for you and only you.
>>108729163Capitalist China has lifted 800 million of its citizens out of poverty over the past 30 years.Meanwhile, capitalist America has concentrated all wealth in the hands of the top 1% over the past 30 years, while everyone else has become poorer.The difference is between National Socialist capitalism and liberal capitalism.When will we see U.S. billionaires brought to trial for corruption and treason?
>>108728339Greatest country on earth rn, unironically.
"paying workers for what they're worth" with chinese characteristics doesn't mean what you think it does
>>108728339A based and reasonable policy in a country with a massive and rapidly expanding market of people salarymaxxing by getting ten jobs and letting AI do all of them.
>>108729163It has proper capitalism, or rather better managed with socialist values. In the West government mostly works as the rule maker for the capitalism game that goes outside of its borders, and as a result it’s rules get corrupted by the most powerful players. In China they do planned economy shit where government officials decide what the country will produce in next 5 years like what communists always did, but then they take that government money and split it into multiple companies that compete with eachother ruthlessly. This way they basically solved communism’s biggest weakness, by creating small pockets of capitalism, and then once they have the build that sector they stop supporting it and let capitalism take care of it. They also have very weak stock market that is terrible for investments so there is more anti-capitalism.
holy mental gymnastics
>>108729653>holy mental gymnasticsAre you talking about yourself?
>>108728388>Simply for cost cutting doesn't work. But it can work if workers are unwilling to use AI tools.nopeAnd if the workers dont produce work or value, then its legal to fire.nope Further its legal to not hire a replacementnope
>>108729665>no uimpressive, very nice
>>108729082>>108729082>retarded law to impress the brainless masses.>This is whats gonna happen>>companies will not hire new employees because its too difficult to fire themnah>>companies that already have hired employees that are replaceable by AI will become noncompetitive and will be eaten alive by new companies who are doing the same using AI, eventually going broke.nuh uh>>some companies will find the way to fire people anyway giving bullshit reasonsnope
>>108728339>keep your job, great>now you need to work 14 hours per day instead of 12, greatchina is a retarded place
>>108728339You're telling me that CHINA out of all nations, known for cheap labour and disregarding human rights for the sake of GDP, is going to make AI illegal?Yeah, ok xi, nice propaganda post
>>108728339>>108728734>>108729082Its probably less about human rights/liberating workers and probably more about the CCP correctly reasoning that long term costs of worker displacement by token predictors being detrimental to society and the companies themselves (which the CCP takes stake in), so preventative action is necessary to avoid larger costs later.Those larger costs would have to be biblical tier bail outs and reconstruction efforts made to alleviate the impact of vibe coded slop permeating critical infrastructure at light speed rates.Honestly it looks like the Chinese are getting ahead of a problem that everyone else is either blindly walking into or rushing into headfirst out of arrogance.
>>108729673Larping homosapien>nope>nope>nopeGod you are such a gentile faggot, I love it.
>>108729641Still prone to human error, corrupt chinks in power would just have to pocket smaller amounts instead of being brazen about it like in the west. The rate of decay might be slower, but it will still add up. This is not taking into account cultural nuances the mainland chinks have that globalized society has no visibility on. Regardless, this implementation would also fail harder in the west due to religious zealotry and unhealthy idealization of certain, high fantasy concepts like feminism, racial equality, and other crap.
>>108728695>forcing companies to treat workers fairly is commie retardationyou're the bestest of goys, i await your application to join the Iran war as a meat shield for your israeli overlords
>>108729839kikes living rent free in your head, son
>>108729780you posted all that hard cope you aren't even sure is real and expect anyone to effortpost in response, lol.
>>108729870well, if you defend corporate interests that hard you're either a kike or a retarded faggot, specially when those interests damage the working class
>>108729349Why can you not have both? Robots make EVs and solar panels. But they also have humans looking after them. Look at the videos of robots installing solar panels or cleaning solar panels. You have a bunch of humans just talking looking at them do stuff. Or robots laying out new pavement. Humans stand around watching them work. The people weren't fired, they just now stand around to watch robots work.
>>108729489@grokcan you tell me what happened to the last billionaire who didn't follow the rules in China
>>108729929Or you just give those people their salaries and they don't have to stand around and can just do whatever they enjoy in life instead??!Why should there be useless labor done instead of just respecting people and their free time. Communists should understand this best, communism is about liberating the workers.
>>108728339>tfw China has more worker protections than the USA
>>108728734China's officially stated goal in their own doctrine is to use capitalism to get rich enough to be able to afford communism.
>>108728347China has been extremely based compared to the west for a decade at least.
>>108728339America is a third world country
>>108730062That's just in line with Marxism in general. Only the soviet union believed you could just skip capitalism.
As a communist I am becoming more and more against China. How the fuck could they go against their own communist principles by stalling automation (or mechanization as Marx called it) and thus abandoning the communist end-goal of liberating workers from labor.
>>108729534Capitalism is not a form of governance but an economic system. The only laws it concerns itself with are the ones concerning the movement of capital
China is wild because it doesn't have a smallhat/goycattle social system. It operates completely differently.
>>108730243China does have an almost 2000 years old Jewish diaspora, they are called the kaifeng jews.Also Chinese people hold the highest respect for jewish people, it's an entire thing you can look up. Also judaism was the only religion respected by Mao Sedong because it's the religion of Trotsky and other soviet heroes he looked up to personally.
>>108730486Is this supposed to be some kind of "red pill" to make me respect China more?
>>108729641>In the West government mostly works as the rule maker for the capitalism game that goes outside of its bordersCountries operate on a higher plane of existence than companies, where there is no property, contracts, judges and so on, where the only laws are the laws of physical reality. It's not that they're not able to control companies, they are just not willing. They are the stewards of a trust-based system and they benefit greatly from that. Losing trust is easier than gaining it and they don't have an abundance. >>108729641>In China they do planned economy shit where government officials decide what the country will produce in next 5 years like what communists always did, but then they take that government money and split it into multiple companies that compete with eachother ruthlesslyThis is wrong. The companies competing in China are genuine private enterprises not just things created by the party. They do not make the companies and they don't direct what has to be produced. Instead they use the very capitalist mechanism of incentives, EVs for example get to skip the queue on getting a license plate and the surveilance state cameras on every corner ensure the cost of driving without a plate (fines/jail) is enforced.It's an evolution. When the US was created controlling the entire economy was not feasible. It became technically possible during USSR's time, but the results were clearly worse than letting people do whatever economic activity they want freely. Now China saw those two cases and went with the free market choice, but theymade efforts to carefully construct the capitalist playpen to ensure it does not spill into governance at large.
>>108728339Why is China so much better than America?
>>108728339China is more human than America.
>>108729213This is, in fact, the way every sane country with Capitalism already does it. In Japan, for instance, you can't just lay off 1,000 employees because those employees are now the State's problem, and the State would rather beat the company into the dirt than allow them to burden society with thousands unemployed after they already reaped the benefits of starting a company in a safe, prosperous country and not the Third World they wish to ship all labor to. It's how all sane societies SHOULD be ran unless the leadership wants to accelerate them straight into a wall, which is what the West is trying to do.
>>108728339That only protects people who currently have a job. What happens when they retire or die? What would be better is a UBI fund set up by the government, so companies that want to fire workers, or employ only AI agents going forward, must pay 99% of the human employees' former salary into the fund, and then 99% of the profit earned through productivity increases in perpetuity. The company would still gain a 1% profit by using only AI, and the government will still be able to pay for housing and food stamps for the increasing number of people who no longer have anything to do.
>>108729349If full automation was even remotely possible, the West would have started widescale purges of its underclasses and middle classes through wars and imminent domain. The fact they still need you to walk to the store and buy things before going to your job is proof that not only is this automation not currently possible, but they don't even see it being possible in the future. You have no idea how much the upper class hates your guts.
>>108731308UBI has never worked, not in the Soviet Union, not in China, it doesn't work this way in Nordic states. It does not work. What UBI actually becomes is a welfare program that starts at the absolute minimum baseline for what can be considered 'livable' and then gradually gets cut more, and more, and more, as inflation slowly eats away at it. Suddenly the same people who were living on UBI now have to find jobs or commit crime to make it, and a society on UBI cannot create or work full time jobs as they only have enough capital to breathe, sleep, and eat. Not create.
>>108731321This is, btw, exactly what happened in the late Soviet Union and why people were fighting each other bare-knuckle over rolls of toilet paper in what few stores would carry it. If free money existed, everything would cost free money + 1
>>108731321>UBI has never worked, not in the Soviet Union, not in Chinayes two places who famously have never tried itwell done anon
>>108731321>>108731332That was over rationing. If people were distributed raw cash they'd be able to make choices with the money and the government already has EBT and housing programs that are going to be pushed to the hilt by mass layoffs. The government needs to fund those programs or it goes tits up bankrupt and then that's when the riots start, and unlike the Soviet Union, USA has more melanated individuals to worry about. The government will be forced to build commieblocks and EBT because AI is already upending the career plans of millions of formerly high-paid white collar workers. Thats why Chinese government officials have instituted laws to try to slow it down until they can figure out what to do. Because as I mentioned previously, this only works for people who have jobs right now and they will eventually die or retire.
shut up atheist luddites ,AI is literally God, and as you know historically many sacrifices and human lives are requires to keep God happy
>>108731321>>108731332>>108731425Also this reminds me of the Walmart gripe where they pay workers dogshit money then help the workers apply for government programs. Those programs are paid with taxes, so what is the actual cost of those jobs? Some actuary out there knows the answer. Whatever it is, it's not sustainable for everyone in the country to be on welfare without the government receiving funds from the entities causing everyone to go on welfare.
>>108731456AI can't save your eternal soul, that required just one sacrifice: Jesus Christ
>>108728339llms are not ready, when (if) they are we will live in utopia
>We now get to spend our time doing stuff that could have been automated, but lawfully can't because we need to be able to larp working!It's fucking retarded and there are some idiots who actually support this thinking.Chinks have been doing this for a while now with automation in general.They have rules that factories can only have a certain amount of automation so they still provide jobs.Some guy building factories talked about how they had to take off an automated lever and make it manually operated instead, just so some poor fucker can sit in front of the lever and pull it every 30 minutes to have a job.Fighting against AI won't work at all. All of our systems will soon come to a state where so much can be automated, that they have to either turn all work make believe or just give people free money.Thank fuck people are increasingly fed up with societies and won't tolerate endless amount of manufactured pointless busywork.
>>108728339Well it's a good thing us chinese here in China don't have to worry about Ai taking over, right fellow China men?China is number one again.
>>108728339>>Employers must show legitimate operational reasons beyond just AI adoptionSo they are just gonna make employees lives miserable till they quit themselves and then replace them with AI
>>108731500it's not about larping but protecting knowledge sovereignty i think
>>108730224>>108731308People who talk about China and communism don't understand the first thing about China or how they see communism.China has always been work oriented, for thousands of years. Their communism just means you work, without as much hard labour, as the back breaking labour is done by robots instead. You still have a job, it's just that it's less taxing. Instead of grinding for 8 hours paving roads in the boiling sun, you get to stand around and look at a robot do that job for you, while still getting the same pay.There's no "now that my job is replaced by robots, I am free from work, so I get free money and doing nothing all day".
>>108731500>>108732268It is extremely important to still know how to do things. Otherwise you'd be like the US, having Japan/South Korea build your ships for you because you have no shipyards and you don't know how to build ships anymore.
>>108728347Is not based. They are just scared of what will happen when half their 1.4 billion population becomes unemployed.
>>108728339As if this is enforceable in practice. They'll just hide behind different excuses to fire people.
>>108728339Based Chinamen. They truly are winning in every department. The British and French should've never fucked with them.
>>108729251China has greater individual freedom than USA
>>108728339I think i need to finally pull the trigger and actually start to learn Chineses.
China beat the west without firing a single bullet.
>>108728347It's more about keeping the humans busy.Chinks are especially sensitive to this given their endless history of revolutions/ allergy to stability
>>108728339China is a Luddite communist s country
>>108728339It's wild that I have to agree with commie chinks about this.
>>108728339>invent technology that does same job at lower cost>ban using it just because the cost is lowerHuh?
>>108728339funny how retards are so adamant at creating their own helleveryone complains about having to work, yet when there is finally possibility of not having to, all of a sudden they all get angry
>>108734555Because we will still need to work after, but as the slaves of those who own AI.
>>108734094Learning chinese is going to be a tech requirement in due time if people keep forcing LLMs anyway. It's a mathematical inevitably for business users who refuse to learn to program but insist on a global market presence.
>>108731321how much is livable? obviously nobody is gonna want to work if you give them average wage for nothing, it should only be a base normalization (at least before full automatization), so that noone has an excuse for being a criminal/homelessevery country is already getting fucked by the cost of social programs, ubi could be a good excuse to simplify/cut it all into 1 predictable amount
>>108734536But it doesn't say they're banning its use anywhere.
>>108734740>ban (using it just because the cost is lower)>(ban using it) just because the cost is lowerSentence has ambiguous parsing. I meant the first one.
