it's for investors not for consumers. same stuff is happening with AI. people invest in this stuff speculatively. if it "solves" a problem that doesn't exist, then it's not a real product.

yeah

>>108729174
>>108729198
It's companies trying to get in front of any type of bills that would mandate authentication for firearms.
They know not a single soul who actually likes guns will buy one but law enforcement may be forced to. Imagine having the chance to sell $3000 guns to police who have little other choices, plus service contracts because you know the shit is junk.

Notebooks

>>108729174
>America only manufactures weapons
>Americans love guns
>I only know how to code
>I wanna be a CEO

gee whiz

>>108730839
every police union in the country has said they would strike if this has been mandated on them and any smart gun laws that were passed or proposed exempted police
>>108730900
it's been at least 30 years and every company that has tried this, other than mossberg, has gotten boycotted and fucked

>>108729174
An electric seer might be interesting. You could program it for full auto, burst fire, single shot, and even adjust the rate of fire on the full auto.

>>108731026
I'm sure that would be illegal. open bolt semi autos are legally regulated as machine guns because they are "too readily convertible to machine guns"

>>108731046
Would make more sense as a military rifle. Swappable battery packs in the grip that go in and out like handgun magazines. Maybe some contacts on the top rail to power accessories. Pair of truck balls hanging off the front.

>>108731062
that's not what this does. this is the stupid bullshit
>guns can only be fired by one person
thing from Metal Gear Solid

Ignorance or money laundering.

>>108731110
Oh. Well that's retarded and dangerous. Imagine getting into a gun fight and your phone won't let you login because there's too much moisture on the fingerprint sensor or some shit? lol

>>108731546
>you need to enable 2 factor authentication to fire this gun, please pick a text of voice call to receive the code

>Step 1: Create smart guns.
>Step 2: Disarm the population.
>Step 3: Institute tyranny that regular folks will never be able to push back against because those with power have weapons while those without power don't.
This is how you restore feudalism.

>>108731583
Start voting in primaries. Identify which candidates are overly pro law and order or have connections to big tech and (if it's feasible) vote for the most libertarian candidate. Tell your family to as well.

Democrats will almost always cuck to anti freedom PROTEK DUH CHILLREN shit so this mostly matters for republican primaries.

Primaries are where the power is at.

>cant play doom
worthless

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"

>>108731654
Wrong.
This is anvil and hammer shit.
The Democrats disarm you.
The Republicans solidify the physical strength of the state and ensure that it serves the ends of its paymasters (the billionaire class, compared to whom the rest of us are nothing - https://eattherichtextformat.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/). They're owned by the same paymasters.
Don't mistake what I'm saying for socialism. Socialism is another form of slavery. I'm a classic liberal who believes wealth is good but that the wealthy shouldn't own everything at the expense of the rest of us. But to side with either party is a mistake at this point.

>>108731683
literally every communist and every socialist ever has been vehemently anti gun so the people cannot rebel against the communists

>>108731786
Sounds like they weren't communists then.

>>108731806
>stalin wasn't a real communist

>>108731821
guy loved commodity production too much to be a communist. He's a social democrat, at best.

>>108731838
I suppose you have a point, apart from the actively being against practically everything social democrats actually believe in part.

>>108731838
>it wasn't real communism
>we need Nick Fuentes to lead the real revolution
this is what raped kike slaves actually believe

>>108731851
>apart from the actively being against practically everything social democrats actually believe in part.
He made life slightly better for the average jerkoff at the expense of the rich but made sure that he didn't actually change the mode of production. Sounds like a socdem to me.

>>108731860
>believing 3 letter agencies about the nature of foreign economies
Ok, glownigger

>>108731913
Social democracy is built on top of capitalist mixed markets.
There was no capitalism in Russia, not before the revolution and certainly not after. It was agricultural before the Soviets took over. They created the industrial mode of production there. No "capitalism" was ever involved whatsoever, nor was there ever a compromise with a pre-existing capitalist system.
The fact is that what Stalin did was its own thing - not what socialists necessarily aim for but not capitalist or social democratic or democratic socialist or anything along those lines either.

when I first heard the word "smart gun" I assumed it was going to be like some auto targeting thing or like a digital spotter or something

>>108731838
a distinction without a difference

>>108731949
>There was no capitalism in Russia
>wage labour
>commodity production
try again. just because there wasn't a free market, doesn't mean it wasn't capitalism.

I'm not shitting on your parade. The bourgeois revolution heralded by Stalin was historically progressive and a great improvement for the average Russian yokel. But that doesn't make it communism.
try again

>>108729198
>>108729174
One dya people are going to be pulling out 401ks and realizing it doesn't exist

>>108731962
idk when they coined the term. there are patents calling them "smart guns" from the 1990s but like aliens is from the 80s and uses smart guns the way you use the term

>>108732032
I fucking HATE the 401k system, but the pension system is also fucked in exactly the same way. at least in the US the 401k players (blackrock, vanguard, state street, ect) are also the pension players

>>108732029
It's not capitalism if it's not driven by the investment of CAPITAL.
That's kind of the whole point.

>>108732029
I think it's hilarious, by the way, that the sole communist method of argumentation is basically just redefining words.
"Capitalism" and "communism" are never what people understand them to be - no, everyone just gets these words wrong, what they really mean is what communists insist they *actually* mean, which basically boils down to "anything bad = capitalism, anything good = communism".

>>108732107
Capital held and managed by a state or capital held and managed by a capitalist is the same thing. It's called capitalism, not capitalist-ism for a reason.

>>108732127
There you go again, redefining words so they mean what you need them to mean instead of what most people understand them to mean.
This is why no one takes communists seriously.

>>108732124
I'm not redefining anything. This is how Ricardo, Smith, Marx, Weber, all saw and described capitalism.

Just because some mustached faggot showed up and called himself a communist doesn't mean I have to go along with him, even if Stalinists and glowies like you would like me to.

>>108732146
You think capital just means money, rather than the tools, machinery, land, and other assets. Just start calling it money-ism in that case. I'm sure that will make it a lot easier in discourse for you, because it will allow people to spot you for a retard easier.

>>108729174
>and then lets market this product to the exact group of people who think the government is using 5g to spy on them via their microwaves and who believe the metal gear solid series was a documentary
I don't think the market is Bubba and his clapped out ar-15, rather it's police departments and pearl-clutching Karen; the latter is afraid of her children shooting themselves with her husband's gun while the former has bosses who hate them and want to prevent deaths even in the most unlikely scenario.

>>108732124
does someone have the jpg that's like
>90% of leftist discussions is just lefties playing dumb

>>108732191
every police union in the nation has said they will strike if smart guns are mandated on them and every smart gun law and bill has exempted cops. Karens don't own guns. pretty sure bloomberg's anti gun group was advertising some smart gun that never came to market.
Also you have to shoot a nonmatch grade AR-15 a lot to clap it out. match ARs will last just as long, but they won't be match grade accurate so they "wear out" faster. Like it's basically impossible to wear out a .22lr or air rifle but olympic 50 meter, biathalon and 10 meter rifles will "wear out"

>>108729174
Metal gear is a documentary. Wtf are you going on about, round earther?

>>108731571
it's pretty much like the juicero of guns. except squeezing it does nothing

>>108732370
they have smart guns in the MGS games and the guns literally get shut off by the government in MGS4. also the whole thing with the patriots and special interest groups controlling the government, retardo.

>>108732178
NTA but money is usually what's needed/used to acquire everything you described.
On the flip side even holding those physical objects doesn't automatically make it capital.
"Capital" is resources used for the explicit purpose of future returns. This could be money, land, tools, etc but the existence or even use doesn't make it capital automatically. You must have an intent to use it in a business to profit or someone else has that intent from the use of such resources.

To say the state using a large oven to make bread for the population with no input other than what's needed to sustain the operation is "capitalism" because they used land, the oven and the building is laughable.
Only under a capitalist lens would we call the bakery capital and it's use "capitalism" but that's only because it would likely be operated as a for profit business in a capitalist system.
Outside of that system they are just things that exist to produce something for the common good.

>>108729174
and Mossberg which somehow survived unscathed.
> unscathed
> Moss(((berg)))

really makes you think

>>108732029
>>108731913
Sorry you don't like it or whatever, but it was communism.
Fits all the real criteria, collective ownership, classless, planned economy, redistributive.
There was no public sector, free housing, education, everyone got a job, welfare(pensions), free healthcare...

>>108732433
I know you're not that anon because you're smarter.

You're very right at viewing this through the lens of relations rather than static things.

Capital isn’t defined by whether someone intends to make profit with an object, but by whether it functions within a system where value is produced through wage labor and appropriated as surplus. An oven in a state bakery can still be part of capital relations if production is organized through labor hierarchies and controlled surplus, regardless of rhetoric about the “common good.” Marx treats capital as a social relation, not a property with a subjective label.

The oven to make bread under feudalism is not the same as the oven to make bread under capitalism is not the same as the oven to make bread under communism.

The oven under feudalism could be part of the serf-lord obligation. The baker could fulfill his obligations to his lord through providing his lord with x amount of bread.
Under capitalism, that same oven could be owned by a capitalist, who would appropriate all profits from the bread sold, pay the baker his agreed wages.


Whether the USSR is classified as capitalist depends on whether its mode of production reproduced capital-like dynamics—wage labor, hierarchical control of surplus, and systematic accumulation—regardless of the absence of private capitalists.

>>108732626
>communist thinks he's in any place to be a credible judge of anyone else's intelligence
Cute.

>>108732596
You named a few of the things I did like about it, but what I dislike is that it's social democracy rather than communism.

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>>108729174

>communism is when everything i like, otherwise capitalism

>>108732744
Not true. I like Mao killing landlords, for example. Doesn't make it communism.

>>108732501
mossberg is also family owned so we just don't know how it affected them financially

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>>108732779
>Enforcing the dictatorship of the proletariat at gunpoint isn't real communism
You need to read more theory pal.

>>108732814
killing landlords is just good sense for any nation and society, nothing to do with communism.

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>>108729174
We'll have AI smart guns that accidentally decide you're a serial killer soon.

>>108732814
>real communism has never been tried and is also this really specific thing defined by me and me alone and any other failing of communism is because it wasn't my super special brand

Burgers are arguing about communism again...

>>108733655
I'm not a communist dumbass.

>>108733671
Well what kind of dumbass are you?

>>108733680
Not the communist kind, thank god.
There's retardation and then there's being a dumb fucking communist.

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>>108729174
It has value as a product if you have children and want safety or worry about someone stealing your gun.

But I agree, a revolver hidden on a high up drawer on your wardrobe works 99% of the time.

>smart gun
Nice, they're making the libertarian police story into reality

>>108733666
damn, look at that thirdie seethe
>>108733671
sure thing there, dishonest faggot

>>108733886
people who have kids have had guns for hundreds of years now. fatal gun accidents are at an all time low. it's like fewer than 10 per state per year

>>108734001
Please don't sign your posts, it tips people off that you're a newfag.

>>108734022
dishonest faggot is your chirstian name. it's the name your parents, god and the bear at the mall gave you

>>108734036
>chirstian name
Good morning saar!

>>108734056
oh no I transposed 2 letters.
that's not even a GMS indian fuckup, retard

>>108734074
Don't get your turban in a tussle buddy.

>>108734080
I'm white. why the fuck would I wear a turban, retard?

Holy seethe, calm the fuck down dummy.

>>108734100
As a joke.

>>108734216
Does he seem like the sort of chap who has anything close to resembling a sense of humor, anon?

>>108734229
>chap
good morning, saar!
>>108734216
makes sense

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>>108734237
>t.

>>108734107
turn your monitor on

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>criminal grabs your gun, points it at you and pulls the trigger
>"heh, good luck with that kid, my gun is biometrically locked! only I can fire it! I'm glad I invested in a smart gun, I bet you feel real silly now!"
>criminal just pistol whips you and caves in your skull instead

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>>108729174
>it's a tech product with no market
The idea is once they figure out how to make the tech reliable they will pass a law to force everyone to use smart guns. Then everyone will have a gun that can be turned off by the government at any time on demand which is the ultimate goal behind this technology. They will create a market for the gun forcibly through executive fiat when the time comes regardless of market fundamentals.

>idk how the tech would even work because it would need to actively receive power to fire, so like an electromagnet pulling a locking piece that's blocking the trigger or firing pin because otherwise you could just defeat it by not powering it.
That's exactly how it works, but the design can actually be defeated WITH the magnets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANllOmgJH9Y

>>108734107
This got him so upset that he waited several hours to respond so he wouldn't sound as butthurt as he obviously is

>>108736924
nice samefag, thirdie