Sales start on Monday. Are you gonna get it? For 100$ you get:>TMR >Gyro>Touchpads>35+ hour battery>Detailed haptic feedback >4 extra rear buttons>Great latency >Highly repairable >High customization of each button
>>108735345looks like a dreamcast controller with aids and downs... and that controller already had downs
Can I run it without Steam?
>overpricedWHY, VALVE WHY?????
>No d-input>Not even x-input>No trigger locksAs a non-Steam user, I wouldn't even consider it. I like the design, at least.
>>108735383Linux, yes.Windows, no.Problem?
>>108735383Eventually but not at release
>>108735385Ew a poorbrown
>>108735400Xbox and PlayStation sell controllers for about 200$. And this one literally uses quantum mechanics to eliminate stick drift.
>>108735345>Are you gonna get itMaybe, I know the Linux support is great, but I really don't want to completely rely on Steam Input. I know that some of you say "Community will fix it" sure.. that's great, but I don't want to rely on 3rd Party Software.I can connect my DualSense via BT on Linux and everything works, I can use the Touchpad and every Controller Feature. This is great for other Launchers, Emulators etc. I like Steam, but I don't want to rely on them.
>>108735345Sorry, I’m an X-on-top guy
>>108735494You're autistic. 99% of PC gamers have steam running in the background and nobody cares about it
>>108735400Trigger locks?
>>108735499ugh nintendofag
>>108735500>You're autistic. 99% of PC gamers have steam running in the background and nobody cares about itYep, this isn't even a real issue. And the funny thing is, I play almost exclusively on Steam, IF I buy games. My head is just full of "what if" scenarios.For example one autistic thought is: What if I setup a new PC and I don't have Internet? I can easily put my pirated Games on the PC, Connect my Controller (driver is in the kernel) and play it, without having to download Steam.
>>108735499X on the x-axis, Y on the y-axis, trackpads and gripsense and gyro. It truly is the most perfect controller ever created.
>>108735345nope. never bothered with controllers.why the fuck would you ever need trackpads on one anyways?
>>108735509It turns an analog trigger into a regular shoulder button. Most games don't need analog, so it feels more responsive.
>>108735521>I can easily put my pirated Games on the PC, Connect my Controller (driver is in the kernel) and play itYou only get the full functionality of the controller, with the input translation and everything, with Steam running
>>108735500>who cares if Jamal fucks my wife, I'm already a cuck anyway
>>108735345the open-source community will probably make software so you dont need Steam open, just have patience
>>108735545Not the same thing, cuckold
>>108735532Steam Controller would literally be perfect with this added
>>108735345thanks but I'll stick with my xbox controller
>>108735615You mean that gayshit that catches stick drift in a year or less lmao
>>108735500>99% of PC gamers have steam running in the backgroundImagine having Steam on auto start. Also why are Steamies almost like iToddlers? They will tolerate everything, they even justify shit where other companies would get a shit storm for. It's a flaw, that's it.
>>108735620Nobody cares your indian PC starts lagging when running steam
>>108735643>Nobody cares your indian PC starts lagging when running steamgood morning sirs im also boughting the steam controller Redeem crypto payment Samung Google
>>108735688>No uUh oh jeet melty!
>>108735368Nigga, you never held a Dreamcast controller in your hands.
dude its a controllerwhy does anyone need to discuss a gamepadOne day I wanted a gamepadI googled whats a good one and bought one. I didnt need to form a relationship with it first.
>>108735704because they have differences, like the steam controller has a bad d-pad so if you use it for retro games you will have a bad time. its nice to be informed about purchases so you don't waste $99
>>108735617>what are TMR mods
I wish I could justify getting it but I already love my xbox controller..Does anyone know if the steam controller works with retroarch?>>10873538599 USD is cheap for a good controller
>>108735610Just use two of the back buttons
>>108735617TMR Joysticks can still get stick drift, there is still a spring inside it to recenter it
>>108735345no, I'll stick to keyboard+mouse because I'm not a consolefaggot
>>108735728gamesir controllers cost $40-50 dollars and theyre better than the steam controller
>>108735751>gamesirplease tell me this is a joke brand
>>108735385Rumour is they are pricing the controller like this to give the illusion of the steam machine being a good value because it includes a $100 controller, and maybe drop it to $50 during steam sales (it's actual value)
>>108735754GameSaar is real>>108735745Not all games are meant to be played on keyboard dumb retard>>108735731Wrong>>108735704My shit is higher iq than you >>108735713This is made up, no reviewer said it has a bad dpad
>>108735824look it up tmr joysticks still can get stick drift there is no such thing as a joystick that is completely immune, obviously when there is a physical spring that recenters the stick it can weaken over time. tmr joysticks that let you adjust the tension do this with the spring tensionhttps://youtu.be/n4MivhL4ruY?si=PzZYdrTfAMuulzBH&t=390It gets false diagonals when you slightly rock the dpad because theyre too sensitive, which isn't ideal for retro games
>>108735751>>108735754gamesir is real, I think it's a chinese brand
Nobody uses controllers for retro or figuring games retards
>>108735494drivers are in the kernel. valve has a financial interest to make it work. don't worry about it.
>>108735345I think if you think of it in that prosumer controller pricerange it's fairly competitive, but it sure is ugly. Very curious how the dpad feels, I play a lot of retro 2d games and a very tactile responsive dpad is important for me.
>>108735345Finally! A controller for people with two thumbs on each hand!
>>108735532The 8bitdo pro 3 is such a huge improvement over the 2, such a great controller for the price.
>>108735345No point since I don't have any games to play
>>108736351What games did you used to like?
>>108735345Can I use it with my PS5?
>>108736492Brain tumor or genuinely retarded?
>>108735400>Not even x-inputX360ce bros, we're so FUARKING back!
Probably not release day, I'll wait for actual user experiences rather than from paid goytube grifters/shills. Also not looking forward having to run Steam to use it so I'll wait to see if there's workarounds.
>>108735345I'd buy it for $20
Can we use it with emulators and older steam games that support controllers?
>>108736629Why are you poor
>>108735858I dont know why they do that shit for. The only games you would want to use the d-pad for, actually all of them, you want precise movements on the d-pad and be able to move your finger because you get ready to move it and move your finger a little.I couldn't play against a friend on my friends list on msn or somethn like that for a long time. Had a shitty logitech controller. they had that. We would try to play and I couldn't do precise moves because of this shit.used those shitty controllers, bought 5 over like 8 years. Finally, looked into something better. what has an awesome d-pad is 8bitdo. I mean if y0ou want to play Street Fighter or MK or fucking old nes roms or snes or any with the d-pad when its all it had or any game with precise moves, u use a d-pad to do it with, you do not want it to fucking ever hit left or right if your finger just rocks a bit on ONE of the directions on the D-PAD. How STUPID. So won't be getting one thanks for the video. I'll stick with 8bitdo, and maybe upgrade to the Pro 3. (have the first one.)
>>108735368>looksgood thing that it feels like any other controller
>>108736551Genuine question.They're all Bluetooth. What does Valve gain by restricting their controller to only PCs and their hardware?They don't even have their console ready for people to buy the controller for, and people can already use other controllers with Steam.If it can't be used on more than just Steam, then what's the fucking point?
>>108735615dpad is crapsticks are crap (by default)no gyrono trackpadsno back buttonsno rechargeable (via usb c) battery (by default) bluetooth and proprietary connection only the shape is good tho and i say that as someone who has one with ks silver tmr sticks and a rechargeable battery
>>108736757>If it can't be used on more than just Steam, then what's the fucking point?It's hopefully something that works seamlessly with Linux, every other wireless controller fucking sucks and is a pain to set up
>>108736757>What does Valve gain by restricting their controller to only PCs and their hardware?why do the playstation controllers need extra software to work on windows outside of steam? i am talking about gyro and trackpad support that is. it's because xinput sucks ass. if you try using the controller in a normal game with both mouse emulation for the gyro and trackpad on a playstation controller you get weird issues of the buttons constantly flickering when you change the "input" type between controller and mouse and kb. you need something else that sits between the game and the controller that doesn't have this problem. something like steam input or ds4windows (ds4windows splits the input and everyone else has to support it for example outside of steam). the controller is also expected to "just work" outside of big picture so you can open it on the steam machine on first startup etc. so it's does matter if it's mouse and keyboard first outside of steam. the controller allows for firmware updates so my guess is that the community is going to find a way to make it a normalfag controller somehow for retards like you who never used anything more advanced that a pimped out xbox 360 controller to play your games.
>>108735345The fact of the matter is there's nothing else that has these specs for that price. The battery alone makes it already worth it
>>108736757>>108736830>weird issues of the buttons constantly flickering when you change the "input" type between controllersometimes the game just ignores the input fullysometimes a menu pops up every time you try using the "mouse" sometimes the controller gets ignored because mouse and keyboard has top prioritysometimes there is a huge delay in the input
>>108736801I am kinda interested in it for the same reasons. There are things I dislike about the controller but the large battery and easy connectivity with linux are. I have a cyclone 2 which does connect fine on linux but I have issues like sometimes needing to reboot to get steam to detect it and the steam input shit sometimes breaking where my custom profile just stops working in pso until I restart the game. I'm 50/50 on buying it, it does seem like a waste of money just for convinience when I have a decent controller already
>>108736850>with linux areare what I care about
>>108736757>>108736801>>108736843dinput also sucks ass btw. every one of these threads is full of subhumans who don't know anything about anything but talk big like they know everything and how it will work in real life. while they are using third party turdworld controllers that emulate the xbox 360 controller without any of the features that the steam controller has. when my experience tells me that they never used a controller with gyro and trackpads outside of games with the third party shitware that is available to make those work. also the trackpad on the playstation controllers sucks ass because it's up top which makes it useless. the trackpads of the steam controller follow the thumb arc and are easy to reach on the fly for 8 easy extra inputs or just good trackpad support. /g/ is always wrong about everything. they are ideologues who can't see the forest for the trees.
>>108736830>>108736879Ok, so why not work on the PS5?
>>108736927Nobody plays on a dog shit PS5 in 2026 Kys
>>108736717>I dont know why they do that shit for.It is baffling, D-pads were perfected by the PS Vita and absolutely no one has gotten it right ever since (Microsoft was close with the original Xbox One D-pad, but they used buckling dome switches with too much tension, and lost the plot slightly with the modifications they made between that and the Series S controller; currently I'd say 8bitdo is closest to recreating the Vita D-pad, but they're a ways off still).
>>108736927what exactly works on the ps5 controller by default? the buttons and the gyro that some games sometimes support because they are ports of playstation games to steam? that's it? try navigation the desktop with just a controller on linux like that. you won't get far. if you just use steam like 99% of the PS5 controller fags do on windows you get a trackpad and gyro in every game that supports steam input. it's going to sit between the controller and give you the extra inputs no questions asked and however you want them configured without any of the input war that happens if you dare to use a mouse and keyboard + controller at the same time in a game. >>108736843i can see this, valve can see this but /g/ like always is coping and seething at something they don't understand
>>108736946>and the gyro that some games sometimes support because they are ports of playstation games to steam? that's it?all of the five games that have it
>>108735406Yes, you lying. Linux is only on select operating systems. Not all of them, they also require Steam. Stop with the lies.
>>108736951subhuman
>>108736951>the retard is back at it againyou still haven't posted your fastfetch
>>108735345On top of being a nice controller, I'll be getting it for this.
>>108736946None of those are reasons why the controller couldn't work on the PS5.You're complaining about how the PS5 controller works on PC but that's not the point. You can detect what you're connected to and just communicate with it the way it expects.
>>108736973>the controller couldn't work on the PS5go buy the pro controller with some aftermarket tmr sticks goyconsole peasantwhy would i care if the STEAM Controller SUPPORTS THE PS5
>>108736946>i can see this, valve can see this but /g/ like always is coping and seething at something they don't understand>
Can you customise the non-steam mode on Windows? I play a lot of shit I can't be bothered adding to Steam, I don't need anything more than keyboard emulation.
>>108736985>why would i care if the STEAM Controller SUPPORTS THE PS5Don't care, for all I care. I'm asking because I care.A simple "no" instead of bitching about the PS5 controller would have been fine.And, no, I'm not going to buy the Pro controller. I'm not going to pay that much for a marginal increase over the PS5 controller I have, which has no drift mind you.
>>108737122>no drift yetfify
>>108737122why should valve work for the benefit of the console walled garden?it can work on the ps5 if you install linux on itthey chose to use a proprietary os and they get what they deserve
>>108737149free my boy OtherOS he did do nuffin
>>108735824>>108735858Faggots just need to quit abusing their shitNever once has "stick drift" become so common in gaymer vernacular until recently.
>>108737128>>no drift yetAnd that's all that matters.I'll fix it when it becomes a problem, not before.>>108737149>why should valve work for the benefit of the console walled garden?Because more people would likely buy the controllers.
>>108737162>Never once has "stick drift" become so common in gaymer vernacular until recently.took about two years of light usage to develop stick drift. all my friends who have ps4 controllers have the same problem. took about two to three years for them to develop stick drift.
>>108735385How is it overpriced when it can easily last you over 10+ years?
>>108737185>Because more people would likely buy the controllers.the people who would buy their controllers for those non steam non linux use cases are worthless to valve
>>108737185they gave out the first controller for like five bux at the end of it's life cycle (in 2019) to get rid of them. they don't care. they don't want to have to support a hostile platform with strings attached.>>108737196also this
>>108735415dont be a hylic
>>108736951>Linux is only on select operating systems. Not all of themAnd the name of that operating system? Albert Einstein Linux.
>>108735345>$100 for a controllerLol, no. I don't pay more than $30 for any controller. It's just to play a video game, not to work or something.
>>108737254100 bux is like 50 in 2000 money
>>108737254lmao poorfag.
>>108737196>the people who would buy their controllers for those non steam non linux use cases are worthless to valveAs much worth as people who buy them for PCs.
>>108737293what the fuck are you talking aboutif you use it with steam then you're their customerif you're on linux you're fulfilling their long term aspirationsif you're not on steam and using it on hostile operating systems then you're going directly counter to what they want, no money out of you and no liberating the pc ecosystem
>>108737233you need sc-controller or something similar to configure it which isn't available on all distros. The original steam controller is mad comfy using sc-controller on Linux, but without either steam or sc-controller you'll always be using the default desktop binding (which is shit and doesn't even use the gyro). The kernel supports the hardware but to actually do anything with it you need more than kernel support.
>>108735345Yes I will, the old Steam controller is my most used controller for the the typical 3rd person action game genre and I've only ever really used other controllers on PC due to that one not having a real D-pad or twin sticks for a few games (like twin-stick shooters). The old one is obviously getting kind of long in the tooth at this point, I've been waiting for an updated version and this one looks like it might fully cover all genres while still providing all the advantages the old one had.
>>108735345I have the original Steam controller and also a Steam Deck. Honestly,>gyro>touchpads>haptic feedback>rear buttonsare all a meme. I never find myself using anything beyond standard controller functions, because, surprise surprise, that's what 99% of games are built for. For the games that could theoretically benefit from all of those extra input methods, I honestly can't be fucked to rebind shit myself or dig around for a community layout that looks suitable (and there's not always one available anyway). I wouldn't really want to play a game that heavily expects KB + M on a Steam controller, anyway.That said, the trackpads are very nice for navigating around in desktop mode, and they work nicely with the onscreen keyboard.
>>108737186Funny how that's never been a problem for me.For the 10 years I used an xbox 360 controller the sticks springs started to wear but never drifted.1st gen Xbone controller has it's stick rubbers worn off yet no drift. I still use it on rotation with a modern Xbox controller.Like what are people doing to fuck up controllers? I'm genuinely confused.
>>108737254Poorfag.
>>108737305>if you use it with steam then you're their customerYou are not generating any more revenue for Valve by using their controller on Steam.Whether you buy the controller and use it to play Steam games or shove it up your ass, Valve makes the same.
>>108737312No, you absolutely don't need sc-controller since sc-controller is only for Steam Controller 1.The first reviews for Linux come out on Monday. If it turns out it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. Until then, I'm trusting the Valve people who say that Valve made it work on Linux.
>>108736283>prosumerah you're in that middle range between an amateur and a pro-gamer, i see. you get the odd sponsored tournament, and maybe some advertising side gigs now and then but you're not a professional gamer, yet. I'm just an amateur myself so i only have an 8bitdo pro2 but good on you for getting something out of what you love, man.
>>108737387so how will you configure it without steam or sc-controller? do they at least turn the gyro on by default and lower the right track default sensitivity? I love my steam controller but the default setting is downright carcinogenic.
>>108737374if you're using it on steam you're more likely to buy more steam games because you don't suffer from a derangement syndromeif you're seething about steam and you only care about whether it works without it then you're not buying more steam games
>>108737254Lol poorbrown
>>108737412I don't configure any other controller. If it works out-of-the-box then I won't configure this one. They SAY it works out-of-the-box, and I'm waiting to see otherwise.
>the biggest discourse about the steam controller is not using it with steamThis seems like some mental retardation that even I can't comprehend.If you hate valve there is a billion other controllers.
>>108735751good morning gamesir
>>108735532Cant you basically recreate this functionality already using custom controller settings in steam?
>>108737450>even I can't comprehend.Well yes, we didn't think a jeet would be able to comprehend anything.
>>108737435if you only want a basic bitch controller just get literally any of those. the steam controller shines when you also want to play the odd m&kb games from the couch. it's basically made to be configured and if you don't make seperate configs for different games complete with overlay radial menus layers and macros you're basically stealing from yourself. When I play a shooter i don't even notice i'm playing a game within about 20 minutes; when well-configged it's more immersive than even mouse and keyboard. when aiming with left trigger it also slows the gyro and touchpad so shooting anything is just left trigger, raising my hands and firing. i can swap controls in a vehicle, or game menu and those layers can have their own layers and macros on top. Yes it will 'just work' to some degree but you'll want to take a good seat to see what it has to offer. The only thing i worry about is that touchpad placement and shape seems less ergonomic than the sc1
>>108736252Drivers for minimal functionality, sure. If it's like the Deck,the trackpads are basically unusable without steam input.
>>108737524No, this physically blocks the triggers
>>108737578Funny how no one has explained why it's such a big deal for the controller to work without steam
>>108737811That's what Steam is for. I don't play those games outside of Steam. What do I play outside of Steam? Free games on Epic and GOG (Heroic will work with Steam Input) and emulators (which all come with their own controller config).If you're on Windows, the Steam Controller only works in Steam. If you're on Linux, it just plain works.
>>108737914Are you retarded?Steam input can be used for any game and any controller
>>108737914>If you're on Windows, the Steam Controller only works in Steam. If you're on Linux, it >just plain works.very plainly, might I add
>>108737925Okay, so? If you want to play with some other controller, then go ahead, be my guest.I'll play with the Steam Controller because I want the trackpads and other features.
>>108737948The point was that steam input works for any game. So IDK how you can assert only steam games will work with the steam controller on windows.
>>108737965The issue is playing games WITHOUT Steam running in the background.Windows users are second-class citizens, the controller won't work right without Steam running in the background.Linux users are first-class citizens, the controller will work without Steam running in the background.
>>108737975retard>>108736830>>108736843>>108736879>>108736946
>>108737975Not a single soul buying a Valve controller is not going to be running Steam.I guess if it makes you feel better that you think Valve cares about you even tho it seems the controller isn't completely correct on Linux without Steam regardless
>>108737981No idea what you want me to get from that. Congratulations or sorry that happened to you.Meanwhile,>The Steam Controller is designed for devices that use Steam. It works with Windows and with Macs, but Steam has to be running. Otherwise, it's seen as a hybrid mouse/keyboard input device. (Even on a PlayStation, it's seen as a mouse. The exception is Linux, where Valve has a driver in the kernel with gamepad functionality).Linux good, Windows bad.
>>108737363Build quality varies. New ones are often worse, Series X controller is way worse in terms of build quality than XB1 controller. I guess planned obsolescence is a new term to you too? I wouldn't even think about paying $100 for Steam controller turd. If I need mouse I'll use mouse and for controller, almost any cheap $30 Chinese 8bitdo/gamesir/whatever will do fine. Valve is huffing its own obese farts and some people are genuinely clueless.
>>108737994and? what is the problem with that? they added the trackpads for it to be usable outside of the steam interface and also for games that don't support controllers. the controller works how it works because of it's design and target systems.
>>108737993Feel better about what? What's the drawback for me using this to play games on Linux?
>>108737993you can only buy it via steam
Could you imagine the outrage if EA made a controller and required Origin running for full functionality?
>>108738025origin doesn't exist anymore and the new launcher has no controller support. it also doesn't run on linux. they don't make linux games. they don't make a ea machine.
>>108738005Problem? I'm celebrating. I'm laughing at Windows users for being a lower priority than Linux users.Thank you for the entertainment, Valve.
>>108738040>the controller works how it works because of it's design and target systems.
>>108735345>Are you gonna get it?yes/thread
>>108738040Windows users will be able to actually configure the controller.You will not however.
>>108735345No. Seems kind of pointless compared to your average cheapo 8BitDo controller or what have you. I get having trackpads and gyro on something like the Deck, but if I'm playing a PC game. On a PC. Why wouldn't I just use mouse and keyboard with the occasion calls for it?
>>108735400>No d-input>Not even x-inputI would really like it if Steam input became some standard specification that is updateable or something like that because we have really gotten fucked over by proprietary controller APIs for each platform.Granted even if it became one I sincerely doubt microsoft would adopt it, or especially apple(and it matters because half of all mobile devices are apple based last i checked)>No trigger locksthat makes sense.
>>108735385I'm willing to bet it's mostly the gyroscopic sensor. Switch controllers have them too, which is why theyre $80 despite the shitty build quality.
>>108738119What configuration options will Windows users have that will not be an option for me?They configure inside of Steam? I also configure inside of Steam.They configure outside of Steam? No they don't, only I do.
>>108736951>Linux is only on select operating systemsAnon unless it's some kind of specialized case, the "distribution" on linux is just the lipstick you put on dumpster fire of a pig that is the linux software stack
>>108735345Can I use it to play my GoG games with?
>>108738164>I also configure inside of Steam.But I thought you didn't like steam>They configure outside of Steam? No they don't, only I do.How are you going to configure it? I guarantee you it'll be much more difficult than just using Steam which by your own admission don't want to use.
>>108735345Can I use this on the *eck?
>>108738186>But I thought you didn't like steamShow me the post where I said that.
>>108738196For why would one be so adamant about not running Steam?
>>108735345They should've made the touch pad different colors. One thing about steam compared to the big three of gaming is the lack of visual aesthetics.
>>108738211he is retarded that is all
>>108738211Ask Windows users, they're the ones who are complaining about this controller, not me.
>>108738174add your steam games as "non steam games" on steam.this applies to your emulators and every other non steam software you want to use the software with.no need to do that for controlling your desktop.
>>108738226it's mainly poorfags complaining and making up excuses why it is shiti'd like to see the steam reviews on it later
>>108738236>just run this additional chromium instance in the background to use your gamepad bro
>>108738281how are you going to configure it and use steam input i you don't have steam itself running?
>>108737363Like every one has been saying, it comes down to luck and build quality My main controller is a launch model dualsense that has never drifted, though the d-pad is starting to wear down. I had another dualsense I used for about six months before it started drifting like crazy, and even after opening it to clean it, it still drifts And in the decade+ since the PS4's launch, I've had over a half dozen dualshock 4 controllers that all started drifting after anywhere from 4 months to over a year
>>108735406>Problem?i want to use it everywhere. say i have an android tv box can i use all the features there?
>>108738319can you on other controllers with gyro and trackpads?
>>108738281>>108738304Unfortunately anon the reason why it is this way, is because controller support on Windows is just ass.This is what the current windows experience:>>108737117No you need Steam but you can add games as non Steam games.
>>108738304idk maybe valve should ask for help from 8bitdo or gamesir because those guys managed to make their gamepads work without having to run a whole ass chromium browser in the background
>>108738345>No you need Steam but you can add games as non Steam games.Then it's DOA for me, I play 40+ new non-steam games a month and do not care enough to run them through steam.
>>108738345Most of these are just dealing with the fact some games just have no controller support or for using controllers cross platform.IDK if there is something more plug and play than xinput
>>108738357do their controllers have gyro, trackpads and touch sensitive sticks? do their controllers support gyro over 2.4ghz or only over bluetooth?
>>108738009there is no drawback unless you want to run it without steam or sc-controller in the background (yes i know it hasnt been updated yet) because as soon as you quit steam it'll switch back to the default internal desktop binding which is dogshit. No one plays games on that default binding and anyone masochistic enough to do so happily plays games on his phone and would see no need for a controller in the first place. You will run Steam and you will be happy
Imagine if Ubisoft released a fucking controller and forced you to run all your Steam games through their shitty launcher to be able to use it
>>108738378Imagine coming on /g/ and crying that life is so hard for you poor little Windows users.
>>108738378then i would also defend it like im defending valveits totally fine to normalize piling up electron instances for any menial task
>>108738319>say i have an android tv box can i use all the features there?Android TV box is weird because controller support on android is ass unless its an xbox type controller frankly.However I think it should work via Steam LinkYou can also ask here.https://steamcommunity.com/app/4165870/discussions/>>108738364Fair, Although if you're the type of person that does in home streaming or using controllers you're already kinda using steam no?>>108738365>Most of these are just dealing with the fact some games just have no controller support or for using controllers cross platform.That's something Steam Input can do as well.It can emulate a very basic xinput mode on demand for any controllerThe benefit of Steam input is that "everything" can be an input, and things don't need to map into buttons but rather into in game actions.Valve built Steam input not just for controllers but also VR setups and all kinds of weird devices.Steering wheels, Wacom tablets (if you play OSU).Your old Wiimote. etc.>IDK if there is something more plug and play than xinputXinput is great if you just want extremely basic input and extremely basic rumble.For example it can't do gyro or grip sense or additional buttons.It is primarily designed the limitations of the xbox360 controller.And those buttons are mapped to "buttons" which is extremely limiting.
>>108738444>you're already kinda using steam no?I have steam, I use it maybe once or twice a year like any normal person because the prices are absurd and everything new worth playing isn't on it. I've spent maybe a thousand bucks on it since 2004, and the vast majority of that was before 2011 when the sales were still occasionally half-decent.
>>108738444>things don't need to map into buttons but rather into in game actions.The problem with this is that it relies on the devs doing a good job exposing those actions. I've played countless VR titles with atrocious input mapping options, the whole VR input mapping system is the most half-baked pre-alpha dogshit I've ever encountered, but that's par for the course for Valve. I have to run a few modified, outdated applications to perform basic features, but hey, at least a year or so back they finally added controller offsets, buried a few menus deep where nobody will ever find them without a guide. That only took them 5 years to implement.
>>108738378>Imagine if Ubisoft released a fucking controller and forced you to run all your Steam games through their shitty launcher to be able to use itDoes Ubisoft have an extremely powerful and useful utility?No? Then the controller will be a failure.Whataboutism is a meme.Also in the case of the steam controller it's not really Valve "forcing you" more like your operating system genuinely is not built to handle that.>>108738466UnderstandableHowever if you don't want to add your games to Steam as non Steam games that's on you.There's even utilities that promise to make it simple by automatically grabbing game art so that it looks good.Maybe consider a more generic gamepad, but you will be limited to shoddy xinput.>>108738484This is frankly a dev problem and yes they should fix that.Valve provides the APIs for that and I don't understand why they don't do that.https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/api/ISteamInputhttps://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/steam_controller
>>108738505>This is frankly a dev problemThe first half is, although Steam could do more to ensure feature parity across titles and controllers. The second half is all the SteamVR team, it's one of the worst pieces of software I'm forced to use. People would be more willing to remap if it wasn't such a terrible UI experience, I have to read a guide half the time I need to change something with it.
>>108735345>Are you gonna get it?No. I already have a superior controller.
>>108738336with a mouse you get a cursor. i don't expect the steam keyboard to show up obviously but the trackpads should work like a mouse at least
>>108738444>That's something Steam Input can do as well.I'm aware but I don't think it's fair to say Windows controller support is ass when it's not exactly Microsoft's responsibility to support things that literally aren't meant to be outside their platforms or for games that refuse to support controllers.Microsoft has a decent API for all manner of inputs and rumble but no one wants to use it outside of simulators.
100 bucks is not much you can afford it even on social welfare
>>108738378Very surprised Gabe would do this, he usually is very consumer friendly
>>108738366You need steam in the background for your controller to have all of those fancy features?
How does it compare to elite Xbox controller?
>>108738563why should they work like regular trackpads? who says that? maybe they won't use the standard trackpad driver on android. maybe they are going to need something custom.
>>108738671yeah? xinput doesn't see anything past the 360 controller basically. even those fancy ps5 controller features run trough steam input and other valve magic. everyone is working with what they have got and microslop doesn't see any need for gyro or trackpads on controllers.
>>108738777even the normal xbox series x controller is better than the elite controller those things are garbage tiera waste of money
>>108738378Yeah that would suck. I don't use whatever Ubisoft launcher they've got nowadays so I wouldn't buy their controller. I use Steam anyway however so in practical terms this doesn't bother me in any way at all. Would be nice in a theoretical way if the controller mapping didn't require full-blown Steam but at the same time I would still want the per-game mapping functionality since that's absolutely essential, so eh. I'm just not going to make grief for myself by worrying about things that do not bother me in any way whatsoever.
>TMR>Gyro>Touchpads>4 extra rear buttons>Great latencyliterally none of these things matter unless you're a bugman. I'm fine with my $20 chink controller.
>>108738799Microsoft has an API other than xinput called directinput which can do a hell of a lot more.Just no one wants to make controllers for it other than racing wheels and flight sticks
>>108738788>why should they work like regular trackpads?so they serve a use
>>108738818Let me check who asked
>>108738828there is probably a reason for that. >>108738835they can do this via a proprietary driver as well.
>>108735532I own one of these and while I really like the feel of it, the build is a little questionable.Setting the triggers to digital requires shifting a plastic brace internally, I can then apply pressure to the right side of the controller housing and it will activate the switches for the triggers.
>>108735345FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>108738849Mine doesn't have that problem. Not that it's perfect or anything.- Face buttons are LOUD (the most common complaint by far)- d-input support isn't great (doesn't support wireless dongle, analog triggers, or rumble)- Battery isn't the easiest to replace (at least it's not soldered)Still *KLAK* pretty happy *KLAK* with it, though *KLAK KLAK KLAK*.
>>108739037>Mine doesn't have that problemI was wondering if it was a unique issue or not, honestly more sad to hear that it is a problem with my specific unit.
>>108738104Im gonna use the touchpads to browse Herta NTR
>>108738134Cause most good games are built for controller controls, dumb faggot
>>108739259factorio is the best game ever and it uses mouse and keyboard to the full extend
>>108738543Redpill me on this one saar
I'll buy it just for the insane battery that's easily replaceable as well
I already have a steam controller that I got years ago.
>>108738565Yes but even microsoft admits xinput is bad and should die.This is why they made the Gameinput API.https://github.com/microsoftconnect/GameInputMicrosoft recommends that new games are made with the GameInput API, but they don't.The problem with GameInput is that it existed only on Xbox initially(2018-ish) and got ported to Windows last year.GameInput is opensource but it is primarily focused around the microsoft ecosystem, not that it would be impossible to port to linux.Steam Input has released a decade ago (2015) with the release of the first Steam controller.As you can see both companies are trying to solve this issue, however there are several reasons why Steam's solution is far more popular:1. It requires less work on the side of the developer if they just want basic input.2. Xbox and its current ecosystem is something of a commercial failure.
>>108739462NTA but I have that controller too.>TMR sticks with some kind of ring on the outside for butter smooth circling>works on every platform I would want to use out of the box>mechanical micro switches everywhere instead of shitty rubber domes>hall effect triggers that are lockable with the same mechanical micro switches>charging dock with a usb-a port for the dongleI don't even care about their macro or double tap whatever features. The hardware on this controller is better than anything on the market and is less than half the price of the new steam controller.
>>108737884Many have, you're too retarded to comprehend anything, jeet.
>>108738818
>>108738818based, got all the gay men seething
>>108739565>mechanical micro switches everywhere instead of shitty rubber domesvery nice! Frens and this thread have made me strongly consider buying one.>hall effect triggers that are lockable with the same mechanical micro switchesWhat do you mean by "lockable"?
>>108739570>>108737884>>108737578probably works out of the box on linux without steam but in my case steam is always on.I've got 32 GB of ram on my PC and it uses 300MB at best.In an alternative world most crossplatform UI would not be web based but here we are.Funniest example to me is the ubisoft launcher which is technically Qt based, but it uses the QtWebEngine. So it's still a webbrowser.
Controller is inherently inferior to mouse and keyboard
>>108739257Valve doesn't ship to india
>>108739968Luckily I'm a fully white American
Steam
>>108739595>What do you mean by "lockable"?It has these little sliders on the side of the trigger. When they're up the trigger acts like a normal analog trigger with range of motion. When down the triggers stop having a full pull and instead have an instant click and hard stop.I like unlocked triggers when I'm driving a car or something so I can feather the gas. I like locked triggers while shooting since I'd rather have a hair trigger for a gun. They're easy to switch mid game without looking at the controller but I wouldn't do it in the heat of the moment. More like during animations of getting in a car or reloading.
>>108735385nigga the nintendo switch 2 pro controller is 80 smacks, and you don't see the redditards shitting and pissing everywhere about it
>>108740148nigga that's just an anime girlyou could be a frenchie for all I know
>>108735345you have to play on linshit to use it
>>108741711no you don't retardyou can use it on windows, mac, and linux devices
>>108741716false
>>108735345no x-input and needs steam to work its a good controller flawed by retardation
>>108735345>>Great latencykek. wireless niggers are such fags
>>108741852Only dalits use wired controllers unironically
>>108735345Let me guess, (You) need more?
>>108741878Many games are optimised for controller usage. Having both options is the only correct choice.
>>108735345Yes. I have the original Steam controller and it was great for non-controller games like Crusader Kings 2 and Civilization 5. $100 is nothing to throw away on a potentially goated controller.
>>108741820you can emulate x-input with software
steam controller or game saar g7 pro?Does steam controller works with games outside steam?
>>108742039If you install steam, you can map and customize the controller which will apply to any game, even if it is non-steam.
>>108735385buy weed instead retard
>>108735345I'll wait 6 months and but it for half price
>>108742075How it compare spec wise with the GameSaar g7 pro though?
>>108742323You can't read them?
linux has no games
>300g weight>pointless trackpads designed for couch basedstation gaming>no d-input no x-inputNigger controller designed for brainless niggersCertified brain damage if you spend more than $5 on such a fucking turd designed to work exclusively within the valve ecosystem, and at $5 it's already overpriced for a massively locked down basedstation gaming only """"""""""""""""PC"""""""""""""" controller
I love my Apex 4. Later today I will send you guys a pic. Have a great day.
>>108742323Gamesaar is lighter, has more buttons, has more ergonomic frame, same battery, equal latency, has d-input has x-input, you are not locked into having Steam open and running 24/7 for the controller to work, has mechanical switches on triggers and buttons, steam controller does not, sticks are TMR too, and it's cheaper.>But Steam Controller is more repairableYou are part of the 99.99% of userbase that is not going to repair it due lazyness/lack of knowledge on the how to do it/it's just faster to buy a new controller than shopping for parts and how to repair and everyone knows that>But gamesaar needs a proprietary softwareAnd the steam controller does not even connect to the fucking PC without steam running while the gamesaar software is only used to setup the controller and forget about it lol
>>108742363You're so angry
>>108742403I am right thoughStop enabling corpo consumer rape
>>108742401you're not the target audience. no need to rant
>>108742411stop defending corpos, they are not your friendThe Steam Controller is objectively e-waste in this market
>>108742419calm down johnny silverhand. it's not that serious
>>108735345I.Fucking.Hate.Touchpads.
>>108742435>calm down johnny silverhandKek
>>108737424>if you're using it on steam you're more likely to buy more steam games because you don't suffer from a derangement syndromeNa, that makes zero sense.If you have Steam you're already likely to buy more Steam games. Having a particular controller doesn't make you more likely to buy them.Something is busted in your head.
>>108737884>Funny how no one has explained why it's such a big deal for the controller to work without steamIf the controller is good, I would like to use it with other things rather than good controller for one thing and shit controller for another.
>>108740148>ntrcuck>whiteyeah sure ranjesh
>>108742435He isn't wrong though, multiple companies are fighting for a more true megacorp status, and the only good billionaire i know of is Gaben.
>>108742669All cuckold videos online are with white American cucks lol. Blacked is also an American culture thing lol
>>108735617mine is like 8 years old and has no stick drift
>>108735615I actually have a PS5 controller i got specifically for emulation.I don't even have a PS5.
>>108742759Ps5 emulator when
>>108742742>Jewish companylol
How is it better than my 30yo playstation controller on my usb-to-ps1 adapter?
>>108742775I honestly have no idea, i wish.But the vigilante savants just perfected the PS3 emulator about a month back, so prolly not before the GTA VI release
Do I own the controller or can steam just decide I can't use it anymore anytime (by the ToS)?
>>108742778>Funded by American cucks
>>108742800>
>>108742800Funded by Twitter nerds that pretend the site is Reddit
>>108742806new whiteness map dropped
>>108742817No need to remind me. I'm not the guy you're talking to, but no need to remind me too.
>>108742806>mutts are fighting jeets over who the number 1 cuckold islmfao
>>108742796It needs Steam to always run in the background for it to connectNo x-input No d-inputIt use proprietary Steam Input So you might face compatibility issues with games not sold on steam/pirated games/old titles
>>108743269There are standalone programs that allow you to bind whatever to whatever, but the one i found, you'd have to manually bind each game separately because of there being no presets
>>108743289Or you could buy literally any chink controller with TMR sticks for cheaper and no compatibility issues or proprietary bullshit outside MAYBE a web drive you open in chrome based browser to map the button on demand
>>108743269>It needs Steam to always run in the background for it to connectnot on linux
>>108735345>doesn't work on most pc games, only steam games
>playing games
>>108743376Grow up boomer
Reminder: even the sticks don't function as sticks without steam gamesThe buttons don't function as controller buttons without steam gamesIt's a $100 paper weight without steam game
My main concern about the steam controller is the comfort. They added holes at the back for easy access to the screws, but it seems like they might pinch your fingers a lot. Thoughts?>>108743520This is wrong, non-steam games do work through adding them. Stop baiting, Jamal.
>>108743529Please tell me that's a man
>>108743529Not all games can be addedAlso game profiles can't be shared or downloaded for non steam games even if steam has the profile
>>108743559I'm sure there will be workarounds for pirated games. Downloading and using profiles through a third-party program will be a nothingburger
>>108743619I'm not gonna pay 100 bucks for a shit tier experience
>>108743642100 bucks is pocket change. There won't be any other controller in the world that will get as much support as the steam controller so the experience will actually be the best
>im not gonna pay 100 bucks to play some obscure emulator gamesYou're not the target audience
good games to play on controller? i want to play a controller game on pc.happy to emulate
>>108743670I'm planning to play God of War, Black Myth Wukong, Pragmata and Expedition 33 with the new steam controller ;)
>>108743653Support is useless when it's DRM
>>108743681the new or the old god of war? any reocmmendations for older emulated games?
>>108743670Game Saar Nova Light for just a controller with 2 triggers a dpad 2 TMR for stickers for $20Game Saar G7 for a slightly cheaper Steam Controller but without bullshits, equal battery and better latency
>>108743653it's hardwarewhat support? Sure you are getting better warranty probably but not worth
Will it sell out fast? It releases at 3am for me and I want one. Do I wake up early just to order it so I am not in the second wave of deliveries?
>>108743689already have a game saaarrr controller, i just want games best played on controller...
>>108743692No other company has a ginormous community like Valve. Everything that doesn't work software or hardware related will, and it will be faster than you think.
>>108743706>it's ok the controller has basically a DRM, lacks ultra basic features like d-input because it use VALVE INPUT (trademark) and the """""COMMUNITY""""" will make the other 60 utilities i need to have the controller not fully locked behind steam and compatible with PC as a whole :) lol
>>108743303I'd rather buy something that works. And not some poorly translated website or manual
>>108743712Every pc gamer is always online and has steam always running in the background, incel.
>>108743747Pot calling the kettle black over here.
>>108743712your own fault for being on windows
>>108743757Not this again... let's not start with the Windows v. Linux bullshit.
>>108743764/g/ is a Linux board. You have every other board on this website available to you if you want to cry about being a victim of your own ineptitude and your aversion to technology.
>>108739259Leaving aside your developmental issues. You kind of just highlighted my point. If most "good games" are built for controllers, why would you need the Steam Controllers unique features? Why wouldn't you just get a generic cheapo/console controller?
>>108743764it's gonna have a kernel module for linux so your issue is isolated to windows
over quarter of a century later and no one still hasn't managed to build a better controller
>>108743757Wait, does the Linux kernel actually include SteamInput support?
>>108743779>>108743783Weird way of saying this is a "Technology" board...
>>108743807the only thing that supposedly doesn't work without steam is some on-screen keyboard
>>108743822You mean that accessibility app that has an on-screen keyboard?
>>108743529She looks like my wife.
>>108743807Supposedly.>The Steam Controller is designed for devices that use Steam. It works with Windows and with Macs, but Steam has to be running. Otherwise, it's seen as a hybrid mouse/keyboard input device. (Even on a PlayStation, it's seen as a mouse. The exception is Linux, where Valve has a driver in the kernel with gamepad functionality).We'll know the full details tomorrow when the reviews come out.
>>108743813You came to the wrong neighborhood, jerk. This is Linux territory.
>>108743780Most people are buying the SC because of the touchpads, the overall controller being very solid or both. Plus Valve is a reliable brand compared your GameSaar dogshit. Now kill yourself
>>108743779i'll tell you what, if you can find me a Linux Distro that has less input latency, cpu latency, and faster frames then Windows 10 IoT LTSC, and the capability to run any and all pip/python codebases i have, in addition to the dataminers, and runs Flash games, Media Player Classic, Equalizer APO, Duckstation, Visualboy Advance, and supports Nvidia and Neo2 and FlashGBX drivers.I'll then be convinced.
>>108743747>steam always running in the backgroundNo, not everyone is a paypig that likes owning nothing.
>>108743842Your wife is a man?
>>108743875sure, it's [any linux distroy]
>>108743879I have 64GB ram, I couldn't give a flying fuck about programs running in the background
>>108743880No way.
>>108743882Definitely not what i heard, if i heard anything at all from specifically you.No doubt you're still anticipating a game, that was out for half a decade already working on windows, waiting for it to fully work out-of-the-box for linux.
>>108743892And you're waiting for a controller to work on your computer without Steam running in the background. Alas, I have that luxury and you don't.There is no perfect operating system, each comes with its own benefits and its own drawbacks.
>>108743874>Most people are buying the SC because of the touchpadsWhich begs the question. Why? It's not like you are using a Steam Controller on a console where there are no better options than a trackpad or gyro. But why would you play a mouse centric game on a PC with a trackpad and not you know...your fucking mouse?
>>108743910The Steam Controller? I already got a PS5 controller that works entirely on Bluetooth, or wired otherwise. And it works even better with Steam involved.
>>108743911Because gaming on a couch or bed is more comfy? Fucking retard.
>>108743911Mouse is best for playing at a desk, controller is best for playing on a couch or in a bed. Different tools for different contexts.
>>108743911Why do people keep parroting this? You realize you can do more with the trackpads than map them to mouse input, right? Custom radial menus or hotbars, additional buttons, macros, you name it. Can a lot of this be done with Steam Input even without the controller? Sure, but the trackpads feel much better and still offer greater flexibility.
>>108743919So what are you doing in this thread about a product you're not going to buy because your technology needs are already met by a similar product which you already own?Your technology needs are already met. Go outside, it's a beautiful day out there.
>>108743932He's a shitposting pajeet with no job
>>108743937At least call me an Appalachian if you want to insult me properly.
>>108743925>>108743926People are seriously playing fucking Age of Empires 2 or whatever on a couch? I like Valve but fuck, they really turned PC gaming into kindergarten for zoomers.>>108743930>Custom radial menus or hotbars, additional buttons, macros, you name it. Honestly pretty sad that people go through all that effort just to avoid using a keyboard. Wouldn't surprise me if next gen controllers will just be a flat touch screen.
>>108743932I was interested in the conversation.At least this isn't Discord, because openly being a heretic in a server topic of your choice is a universally bannable offense by the SJWs in their parent's basements
>>108735383its a steam controller, with a steam button, probably meant to be bought with the steam machine. what do you think?if you want a generic controller, there are controllers made for pc, hell even xbox controllers work for pc under linux and windows. if you dont want to use steam, dont buy a steam controller.
>>108743982Playing baldurs gate 3 from the couch is pretty chill, unc
>>108735499sorry but xbox objectively did it the best>trust me bro
>>108743983Weird deflection, but okay.
>>108743982I honestly don't get what's so bad about Keyboards, the only time i use controllers is when i use them for emulators.Plus you can accomplish far more because you have more input combinations compared to a controller.And you're more accurate with a mouse.
>>108744000I've seen the Twitter, Reddit, and Discord communities, and i'm glad i'm out of all three as just an observer. Because goddamn the cesspools on the internet today... yeesh.
Keyboards are for TikTok brained retard zoomers that constantly alt tab while gaming to check their other 10 million things running, while controller is for the actual pro gamer that is employed and knows how to lock in and focus and achieve greatness
>>1087440134chan is the same, just an echo chamber of unemployed edgy retards
>>108744022Well at least we're ironically less dysfunctional then the sites i listed out.
>>108744003Most PC gamers these days grew up on a PS4 or a phone. They only know a mouse and keyboard through the lens of "that's why my dad uses for work".Again, with how many people grow up playing mobile games these days, it wouldn't surprise me if next gen controllers will just be a touchscreen so as to not scare away the gen alpha kids.
>>108744013I don't care what website you're on. It's weird to go into a thread and argue about a product you're not in the market for anyway. You already have a controller that fits your needs, so when you see people saying "This controller is a good fit for me because of X reason, Y reason and Z reason" then it's weird for you to protest "But those reasons don't apply to meeeeeee".
>>108744022I mean i know i missed the golden age of 4chan, but still
>>108744036Well if it makes you feel better, it wasn't like that originally. I was the one adding to the guy, that was calling out the other guy that sounded like Johnny Silverhand from Cyberpunk 2077
>>108744034Yeah, that is what concerns me, because there was a brief era where i had a kindle playing mobile games, but long before that, i was playing Resident Evil 1996 on the PS2, or even earlier on my Atari days, playing Keystone Kapers or Enduro
>>108743269lmao, this can't be true. Imagine if any company did this, but it's the holy drm so it's ok I guess.
>>108744108Yeah, that's also what i was adding to earlier, because there are programs where it can detect a bluetooth controller's inputs, and translates them to keys. Which again, is a hassle to set up, because the program i found didn't have any binds, and it was a migraine to try to set up.
>>108744141I'll never support a drm company, so you don't need to give me your cuckold workarounds.
>>108744145I don't support DRMs. Fact i've pirated games before to get around DRMs.
>>108744145A cuckold would be someone who accepts the product using DRM. WorkaroundGODS are more like bulls buckbreaking these Jewish companies
>>108744034Literally my eras in gaming were Arari 2600 > Playstation 2 > Xbox 360 > Gameboy Advance SP > Nintendo DS Lite, DSi, 2, 3 > Kindle Fire 8th Gen, 10th Gen > Asus PC > PS4 > MSI PC > Nintendo Switch OLED > and then back to MSI PC.
>>108744034But Gen Alpha will never be able to experience even a quarter of that.
