Why are 8GB GPUs still a thing, and who's to blame?
>>108738352It is my fault, and because I want them to still be a thing. All the manufacturers listen to me first.
>>108738352It's just old GPUs, what's so confusing about it? Believe it or not there were even smaller ones, like 6 or even 4 GB.
>>108738352Let me guess, you need more?
>>108738352Because 8GB is enough for 99%.
>>108738369Yes I do because my priary interest is in running LLMs and most models that are interesting are happier in 16GB. I appeciate you are happy running the latest AAA game where you can see the eyelashes onn the toon main character you are playinng but beyoind that the card you posted is of fuck all interest to an actually tech orientated anon in this day and age. Even an intel card is more interesting on openvino. Even shit like 5560s and 6670s should be 16GB by default.
>>108738388>Even shit like 5060s and 5070s should be 16GB by default.typo fixedgaymers have become an irrelevence to tech.
>>108738362>it's just old gpushttps://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GeForce-WINDFORCE-Graphics-GV-N5060WF2OC-8GD/dp/B0F8LDHQ7Y>Release Date: May 19th, 2025. Announced: Apr 15th, 2025.
>>108738388Then you're buying the wrong market segment if you buy 8GB. There's GPUs with 96GB you know.
>>108738400Such a pain in the ass, that thing might actually be of some use if it had 16GB on it but as it is it may as well fuck right off.
>>108738352You know how much 16GB of DDR costs???
>>108738388>fuck all interest to an actually tech orientated anonI can be tech oriented and not be into LLMs you fucking donkey. You sit the fuck down. 32GB of DDR5 costs $400 because of you shitters btw.
>>108738403I know bu i use multiple machines on a GB lan to offload deep thinking to different specialised agents. Also let's be real here, ou are dropping 8000-10000 on a card if you want to step up beyond 32GB unless it's some utterly obsolete crap off egay.It would be fucking neat if nvidia dropped an affordable 48GB card for local LLMs but they won''t do ha eiher. Really puing 16GB on the 5060s and 5070s would have been the right move for everyone as it is he are just todays GT1030 or 3050.If Nvidia don't sort their shit out Intel is going to eat them with openvino, it's getting better and better on their shit and so are their GPUs. Maybe nvdia investe in intel to get it shut down but rn it's shaping up to be the post nvdia LLM solution real soon.
>>108738436No you are just some cunt playing troon AAA gaymes and doinng ecelb unnescessary HD youtube edits without realising no one wants to see your skin pores. Sorry.
>>108738422why it be the way it do? I can get a 1TB SSD for $150.
Because its fine for 1080p high settings, no one but AI slop care because
>>108738436no, ram prices only went up because manufacturers realized they could sell it for more and they had a convenient scapegoat.
>>108738452Yeah and 1TB drives have been around for a more than a decade so what? Try buying a 4GB nvme for even good quality unused 2TB HDDs
>>108738456Gaymers do not equal; tech faggot. I'm building models for flying drones I don;t give a fuck about your steam games.
>>108738452That be NAND doe.
>>108738352I agree OP. 8GB, even 12GB is e-Waste. What we should get (industry in wrong, I'm right).>Single-Slot>60 Watts>Runs all games at Ultra Settings 60 fps 1080.Surely this isn't a technical difficulty?
>>1087385188GB was 8 years ago and it's not enough for newer titles. In fact, Intel doesn't even sell 8GB cards. Stop enabling this greedy industry.
>>108738462If manufacturers can just arbitrarily set the price like this, then what's stopping them from raising prices 10x the current price? Are they just not greedy enough?Prices are set by the consumer. Whenever you try to buy RAM, you're now competing with AI debt money, and so the price will rise, as it takes years to build new fabs.
>>108738352RAM is worth more than gold.
>>108738896because there's a sweet spot between where people are willing to pay and where they aren't. they have people a billion times smarter than you that have spent their entire lives finding that point.
Interesting point, some titles I've played easily go over 8GB and I'm not even maxing out every setting. I don't know why you'd buy a GPU without future-proofing in mind.>>108738456I think 1440p will soon be the new 'standard' for gaymers and I'm sure 8GB wouldn't cut it on modern titles.
>>108739060exactly, so it's not that manufacturers have a convenient scapegoat that prices have risen, it's that the demand has significantly increased
>>108739088yeah but the cost of manufacturing hasn't
>>108738352>>1087383748gb isn't even needed for the average user. A dedicated gpu is overkill for 99% of users.
>>108739110If companies sold RAM at cost, then they'd lose all their supply, someone else would re-sell the RAM, and the company wouldn't have any extra money to invest in new fabs. Prices are set by supply and demand.
>>108739081>I'm sure 8GB wouldn't cut it on modern titles.Modern titles use raytracing and can easily blow past 16gb even on 1080p.
>>108738352the reason is that you aren't a Japanese cartoon girl, and you will never be one
>>108739134sounds like make believe to me
>>108739145but I feel like one
>>108739145You're projecting
>>108739150this is delusionyou look like a fat man with low T
>>108739147>scalpers are make believe>investing profits towards additional manufacturing is make believenani the fuck?
>>108738352>>108739081Aside from something like Crimson Desert what actual good AAA game needs more?I legit can't think of a good game where I'd need more than 8gb
>>108739161how does that make senseI don't want to be one.
>>108739168hacking my webcam is illegal anon
>>108738480How does that improve my life, retard? I have more fun playing video games than whatever irrelevant shit you're pretending to work on. You will never be a millionaire btw.
>>108739206Drones are made to destroy life, not to improve it.
>>108738352>>108738374>>108739120i want a girl (2d) to look at me like this
>>108739497i can do this.
>>108739497
>>108738388>my hobby is enterprise hardware with no usecase for the average purchaser of the consumer segment hardware>they should sell me enterprise hardware at consumer prices No see what they should do is enforce market segmentation and upsell you on higher margin enterprise hardware if that's your usecase. You may as well ask them to give you a free blowjob and some cash with your bing bing wahoo card. It's completely irrelevant to what they're actually selling you.
>>108738397>Gamers have become and irrelevance Bullshit. All of the LLMs are hemorrhaging money, they're valued at billions but don't turn a penny of profit. The bubble won't last, and all of the companies that have pivoted to AI as their focus are just doing what they did when it was cryptocurrency that was the big thing. They know those markets can't last, and it's only a matter of time before the well dries up, but they don't worry because they will ALWAYS have gamers as their steady source of income. When companies like OpenAI go under and they don't have anyone to sell GPUs that are AI focused to, they will always have gamers. That's why you're not seeing base models of GPUs shipping with more than 8GB on average.
>>108738436It’s not the small fry responsible for that
>>108739806Isn’t the idea that one company won’t, just like how Amazon is still around but 99.999% of the dotcom boom companies aren’t?
>>108739621kys
>>108740480>heh heh I'm anon>KiLl yOuRselF
>>108739806lmao they'll crush all those data center grade GPU cards before they ever hit grubby gamers hands on the secondhand market, they don't even have display outputs.
>>108738352Me. I told Sum Ting Huang to not raise the VRAM and AMD can't either because their investors are like "but muh Nvidia doesn't".
you don't need VRAM for games. You need VRAM for AI shit, so fuck off and get a nintendo switch zoomer. GPUs belong to AI chads (like me) now
>>108740704I use vram for rendering my 3d artwork
>>108740627you just wanted an excuse to use that image, didn't you
Because I'm poor you stupid kothetfucker, that's why. I can't pay for more than that, you understand? Are you happy now?
>>108738362>even 4 GB3.5
>>108739168i'm not fat THOUGH
>>108738352
8GB VRAM is more than enough on modern operating systems like Linux. Heck, you can still get by with 4GB.
>>108738352Because I dont need 16gb of Vram to open Neovim and play Dark Souls.
>>108738352The usual suspects.
>>1087383748GB isn't enough for the average target audience of dedicated GPUs at all.
>>108738352>Why are 8GB GPUs still a thingthey are cheaper to make >and who's to blame?Nvidia for chasing margins, AMD for chasing Nvidia.
>>108740602Just wait until chinks get their hands on them. You'll see thousands of refurbished and frankensteined cards flowing in places like aliexpress.
>>108740602>they don't even have display outputs.just use another card for display out and the good card to play the game
>>108738352Every device should have expandable RAM.
>>108738436You blame the local llm user and not the megacorps making ram blocks the size of battleships across flyover states?
>>108738452I bought a 20tb seagate HDD new for 60$ 8 years ago.
>>108742884yeah but that's a HDD slower than a turtle.
>>108742849Sure, but GPUs can't or else their performance would drop by 10 years.
>>108739806Even if gamers were the most relevant audience, the ONLY relevant audience even, hell make it the literal only audience for GPUs, gamercattle will buy anything, they have 0 standards and will pay whatever they're told and will buy whatever they're told. Listening to them isn't even a factor because they'll talk and talk and talk and then just go right along with whatever the industry decides is now the norm. If I was in the industry I would pay exactly no attention to anything they have to say about anything ever.
>>108742849>>108743955GPUs already do. You can expand your 16GB card to 32GB.
>>108744399Soldering memory ICs to unpopulated pads is not the same as a hot swappable stick.
>>108744426Literally skill issue.
>>108742712I mean, I wouldn't recommend it if you're buying a new one, but if you already have one and don't fuck with AI slop, there's no strong argument for an upgrade.
>>108738352My GPU is 2GB. Not like it matters when there hasn't been a good new game released in years that needs high specs.
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>>108738471>Try buying a 4GB nvmeI bought two of those at $200/ea last year
>>108739161You're deflecting
>>108740480you first tourist
