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>>108747499
Is kali linux good for running Steam games?

Just kidding, but if I were thinking of switching from Windows peasantry, I guess I should visit that first link. Answers that question.

So what was the straw that broke the camels back for y'alls guys, in the cases where you were Mac/Windows guys from the start just cause you knew no better? Also is it "New" or "Guh-new"?

>>108747804
No, Kali is for pentesting.

>>108747836
Hence the
>just kidding
Plus I use BIC so why would I need to test anything else? If it was good enough for lil orphan Annie, it's good enough for me.

>>108747845
Its guh new

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>>108747909
Really? That's what I hoped it wasn't.

>>108747932
>>108747804
I tried Xubuntu and Linux in the early 2000s or 2010s and I liked it but the video game emulation wasn't really anywhere where it is now so I went back to Win10, that was until not enough people went to Win11 and Windows got impatient and brought their shitty spying AI features to Win10 was when I booted up Linux again, I was on Mint for a year and I'm currently on Xubuntu, gonna jump to Devuan probably in October (which would be around a year of Xubuntu unless the age restriction policies are set in stone before then.).
>>108747932
If you don't like Guh-new you can always just say "Gee-En-You" its also an acceptable pronunciation.

>>108747804
>I guess I should visit that first link. Answers that question.
The OP seems to be a joke version of the usual one so I doubt you'd find any sense there. The Fedora Atomic / Universal Blue distros are pretty beginner friendly

>>108747804
Pretty sure it's G-N-U.
Also, I was just bored sometime last year and decided to try Linux through Mint. Ended up falling into a rabbit hole that eventually landed me in Endeavour after several months of hopping around. I don't regret it so far.

>>108748013
T. Systemd Lover

>>108748047
There is nothing wrong about systemd

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>>108748012
>>108748044

>If you don't like Guh-new you can always just say "Gee-En-You" its also an acceptable pronunciation.
The animal is noo or nyew. If I call it wildebeest will that make me seem cool or.

>>108748056
"I don't run systemd btw" is becoming the new "I run arch btw"

>>108748099
I hope so.
I don't like systemd.

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>>108748111
it's liek an md for your syste

>>108748111
Systemd was great until it became too bloated, I was hoping someone more knowledgeable about it would fork it to keep it lean but that never happened. It's weird that people who like systemd are so against init freedom to the point where I'm actively suspicious of systemd. It is not good for the Linux ecosystem to railroad itself to a small suite of programs such as: pipewire, gnome, systemd. I'm tired of these systems getting preferential treatment but at least in the case of gnome there is enough competition for DE and WM that it doesn't matter as much, but the lack of competition for systemd and pipewire is going to lead homogenization which is a bad thing if you value control and freedom over your system.

>>108748136
there's this new class of opinionated annoying ass linux users that insist everyone who doesn't like the latest freedesktop/red hat bullshit is a troglodyte or something. they tend to work for corporations, i noticed.

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>>108748147
>there's this new class of opinionated annoying ass linux users
(G)new?

>>108748161
well, not completely new but it seems more common now.

>>108748163
I gknow, just making a silly

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Was gnu always pronounced with the G?
I swear I was taught it was "nyew". did Mandela finally hit me?

for some reason fedora 44 doesn't come with plasma-firewall installed by default

>>108748795
https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en.html
It's always been GNU if you've been part of the community, the reason it was never corrected is that it was easy for us to identify new people vs old people in the early days but most of you are "new" to me at this point and its lost it meaning, along with the inside joke on why it was funny in the first place.

Since we are talking about GNU, what systems are there that are just fully Unix and not Unix-like? I know the majority of us here run Unix-like but is there anyone here running a Unix system that isn't GNU or BSD?

>>108748795
The English word is pronounced how you're saying it, but tons of people are unaware that this is a real animal, so different pronunciations arise, etc. your mother, etc.

Anyone encountered a similar bug with their cursor on i3 manjaro? I cannot for the life of me change cursor size. I set set the size in .Xresources which loads fine. In the .xinitrc xrdb merges the .Xresources file. Changing sizes in gtk 2/3 config files doesnt to shit. Not sure how to proceed.

Have you encountered the issue on Chromium, when it shift the order of tabs after launching the browser? The 1st tab opens the address from the 2nd, the 2nd opens the address from the 3rd and so on. How to fix?
Kubuntu. Never encountered this on Windows btw.

Who here uses a distro with the XFCE DE?
What's your favorite distro that primarily focuses on XFCE as their DE?

>>108747804
>if I were thinking of switching from Windows peasantry, I guess I should visit that first link.
It's a troll link, anon. As a beginner you should just pick one of these >>108748013
>So what was the straw that broke the camels back for y'alls guys, in the cases where you were Mac/Windows guys from the start
Windows 10 was released and it was total spyware and nagware.

I like Linux desktop, but it's in a weird spot in my opinion.

X11 is still the most stable option for daily use + gaming, but its security model is honestly insane, literally any app can potentially sniff your keyboard input or spy on other windows. That’s not some edge case, that’s just how it was designed. You’d never accept that on Windows or macOS without exploits. Sure, “don’t run malware”, but that’s not really a defense of the architecture.

Wayland fixes this properly with real isolation, but it’s still not as bulletproof in everyday desktop usage (Steam, random apps, edge cases). So we’re stuck in this trade off: X11 = works great but insecure, Wayland = secure, but sometimes janky

>>108750303
Well no, X11 is being heavily phased out and not worked on anymore. XWayland basically runs any X11-based application you'd ever need to.

Have jeets started to ruin any linux projects yet? Genuinely curious to track how they able to destroy everything they get their hands on.

>>108750306
Not sure if I got this right, so let’s say I’m using KDE Plasma, which can run either on Wayland or X11.

If I’m on a Wayland session, native apps are properly isolated and can’t snoop global input like on X11.

But if I run some apps through XWayland, does that mean those X11 apps still behave like they used to, like can interact with each other in the old X11-style way?

So basically: is the “input isolation” fully guaranteed only for native Wayland apps, while XWayland is still partially legacy behavior?

>>108750327
XWayland binaries only snoop on other XWayland binaries like how they did back when. All XWayland instances are grouped into their own group on a KDE desktop.
KDE has a specific security feature in place where XWayland binaries can't keylog unless you press a modifier key, so it's much safer then otherwise.

I'm like this close to daily driving Arch. If I can fix the wifi issues that is.

>>108750351
You should have no wifi issues really if you just install NetworkManager/network-manager-applet and set up the config so that it uses iwd instead of wpa_supplicant.

>>108750355
oh i did install NetworkManager or whatever the package name is
my issue is that wifi gets disabled after waking it up from sleep but I think I fixed it. I let it sleep for 30 minutes and the wifi still works but now I'll wait an hour to see if my fix worked.

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>>108747499
I just installed Linux Mint XFCE.
It had a crash to login screen.
Here's my specs via neofetch.
Am I fucked and something is wrong with my hardware?
I always thought that distros using XFCE were ridiculously stable so I'm very concerned about my hardware now.

>>108750417
what did you have before?

>>108750417
Linux Mint detects if the host has "gaming" or "gamer" in the name and then periodically crashes. We don't want gamers using Linux. The ease of use of SteamOS and Bazzite have caused normies to infest Linux and we can't have that.
t. Mint maintainer

hey anons, two questions

can someone explain to me the difference between native binaries from the AUR and flatpaks?
im not sure if i should go with cachyos or bazzite for this exact reason.

is there a REAL performance difference between vanilla arch (zen kernel) and cachyos?

>>108750501
tell Clem I said hi

Bros, I think I'll stick to Arch
or at least until systemd goes full totalitarian. By then I'll have switched to Artix.

>>108750536
>difference
Flatpaks are better for compatibility and stability. They are self-contained apps which don't rely on your host distro for dependencies, and don't interfere with your OS. They are more likely to be distributed by the package dev compared to your distro's packages which are almost always packaged by distro maintainers. And they're much more secure by default.
AUR is a public repo of mostly build scripts or binaries. Packages there are maintained by random people unrelated to Arch. Anyone can publish an AUR package. So there is a much wider variety of quality and maintenance speed. Avoid using it if you're a beginner.
>im not sure if i should go with cachyos or bazzite for this exact reason.
They're distros for two completely different usecases. CachyOS is made for advanced users who like tweaking the entire OS. Bazzite is made for casual users who don't want to spend time on the OS and want to spend time in software they use, also it has a much more stable update system.
Either way both support Flatpaks and native binaries so the only difference is the lack of native AUR support in Bazzite, where you would have to use Distrobox if you want to access the AUR.
>performance difference between vanilla arch (zen kernel) and cachyos
In most cases there's no performance difference, as in a 0%-3% difference.

>>108750461
Fedora KDE then GNOME
Was having crashes and graphics resets with those distros so I figured I'd give something else a try.
Linux Mint Cinnamon was my first distro I went to when I decided to give Linux a try.
Admittedly I've been posting about this stuff quite a bit lately.
Sorry.
>>108750501
Thank you for trying to make me pivot to more productive activities. Your efforts will be in vain.
I got a good grin seeing your post. Thank you.

>>108750591
>Packages there are maintained by random people unrelated to Arch. Anyone can publish an AUR package
NTA and not an Arch user but this made me notice a weird irrational fear I have. Whenever I read stuff like that it scares me because I feel like anyone could fuck up your entire PC, but then I think back to when I was using Windows and I used to install all sorts of software made by some random dude somewhere and that felt totally fine to do. I wonder why it feels different now that I'm using Linux.

>>108750303
>X11 = works
You're just not hitting the pain points of it.

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Tech illiterate here.
>try to install Linux Mint Cinnamon on laptop from a USB drive alongside Windows
>asked to provide the BitLocker key
>go back to Windows and disable BitLocker
>restart the PC
>can't boot up Linux because "something has gone seriously wrong"
>find out that Secure Boot
I want to disable it, but youtubers I watch keep talking about how essential it is for protection against viruses. What do?

>>108750750
Secure boot exists so things that don't have MS's set of keys don't boot. I'm guessing you aren't too retarded and use a web browser with UBO or something so turning it off won't actually effect you because you don't get a porn site virus that effects your boot sector.

>>108750750
It's security theatre. 99,99999% of people don't even know which keys the have stored

>>108750759
That's not what secureboot is

https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot

>>108750673
>I think back to when I was using Windows and I used to install all sorts of software made by some random dude somewhere and that felt totally fine to do
Before Defender, UAC, .exe signatures and web browsers/extensions filtering out malicious domains it was very common to get buttfucked by malware.
>I wonder why it feels different now that I'm using Linux.
You're older, smarter, more experienced so you don't want to risk it.
Also, Linux babysits users a lot less than Windows. Windows is unironically more secure than Linux when it comes to running arbitrary executables.

>>108750750
Secure boot is not that necessary and it's mostly a meme. But if you have it then you should keep it on anyway. Get a distro that supports secure boot or manually enroll it on Mint.

Secure boot is literally required for zero trust attestation, it is not a meme, it is very important for security purposes. You should be able to turn it off if you want to, but you should also always be able to turn it back on.

If you're really ready to get schizo tier in terms of security: https://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/secureboot.html#initial_shim

And read the debian wiki. From its inception Secure Boot was meant to solve most problems we have today lol

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why steam shitting itself over gtk themes?
problem persists regardless of choice of theme

Steam logging initialized: directory: /home/wopper/.local/share/Steam/logs

[2026-05-04 05:04:06] ProcessNextMessage: socket disconnected
[2026-05-04 05:04:06] No more messages are expected - exiting
XOpenIM() failed, LANG = en_US.UTF-8
XOpenIM() failed, LANG = en_US.UTF-8XRRGetOutputInfo Workaround: initialized with override: 0 real: 0xf5356860
XRRGetCrtcInfo Workaround: initialized with override: 0 real: 0xf5354fc0
/usr/share/themes/Mint-Y-Dark-Blue/gtk-2.0/main.rc:1053: error: unexpected identifier 'direction', expected character '}'
crash_20260504050407_5.dmp[3100]: Uploading dump (out-of-process)
/tmp/dumps/crash_20260504050407_5.dmp
crash_20260504050407_5.dmp[3100]: Finished uploading minidump (out-of-process): success = yes
crash_20260504050407_5.dmp[3100]: response: CrashID=bp-09851b9f-09f2-4310-a1df-71ee62260504
crash_20260504050407_5.dmp[3100]: file ''/tmp/dumps/crash_20260504050407_5.dmp'', upload yes: ''CrashID=bp-09851b9f-09f2-4310-a1df-71ee62260504''
/home/wopper/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 966:  3068 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) "$STEAMROOT/$STEAMEXEPATH" "$@"

>>108748136
red hat reshaped linux from the meme into a usable everyday system
also no one is forcing you to use their software, you can use ancient init system along with the rest of services developed separately on their own and barely working with each other
or you can use unified suite of those tools designed to work well together
it's not like 20 years ago majority of people used different init, display and sound server, you had alternatives just like today but they were more shitty

>>108750853
>le corporation will save us
You're just sleep walking into another Apple/Windows problem

>>108750817
did you update the nvidia driver recently? there was some fuckery with it a couple of days ago

So, should I disable secure boot just to install Linux then enable it again?
>>108750779
Mint does support secure boot though.

>>108750884
You should leave secure boot enabled when installing Linux.

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heeey this lookin good https://github.com/fooyin/fooyin good job freeGODS

>>108750882
yeah i guess that must be it, i'll fuck around with older versions

>>108750904
> "Failed to open…"
>"Failed to load image…"
>"Failed to start MokManager…"
>"Something has gone seriously wrong…"
Not possible :/

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I need to get the hell out of windows asap

>>108750968
I don't get it. How does "Mint support secure boot" if it's shitting out errors regarding it?

>>108750910
>Standard playlists plus autoplaylists
Is that really a foobar compatible autoplaylist system (DADA autorating foir example) or did they just steal the name?

>>108750750
You have pending MOK actions, but Mint cannot fulfill them because it is a braindead distro that does not ship MokManager. Try booting Ubuntu 26.04 LTS ISO to fulfill the pending actions.

>>108749745
Mint

>>108750968
https://youtube.com/watch?v=u8SHRjrr7Gs

>>108751111
>Just run GRUB instead of MokManager!
This video is even more retarded than Mint. Maybe this will get Mint to boot, but it doesn't fix the actual problem that MokManager is missing and that your pending MOK requests are not getting actioned.

>>108751111
AI slop

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Why are commands in the terminal on linux and the bsds so similar? I know both have unix heritage, but it has been so long ago shouldn't they have diverged?
Also, does macOS have similar commands? Never tried it.

>>108751646
>does macOS have similar command
Yes.
All of them are Unix, and (mostly) POSIX compliant

>>108751657
Neat. So any terminal program should work on marxOS then?

>>108751662
I couldn't tell you about every single terminal program, but most of them should work yeah. (I'm assuming marxOS is either a meme or a typo for macOS. If it is an actual thing idk anything about it)

>>108751673
ty desu. intentional typo cuz reading central european history.

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So how do i improve the file uploader on Linux? Would want something that shows the extended thumbnail on the left with videos too.

On latest gnome fedora a nearby mac laptop shows up in sound output, what's that about?

>>108751690
Use dolphin
about:config on mozilla
widget.use-xdg-desktop-portal.file-picker 1

>>108751690
don't goon to the queen

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Its been one and a half year since i switched to Linux. An anon here suggested Mint as a good beginner friendly distro so i went with it. Its been good so far. Is there any reason to switch to a distro like Arch now that i am more experienced? Does it provide any advantages over Mint?

>>108751862
If it works for you and you don't feel limited by it, just stay with mint. There is no reason to start over on a new system just because Mint is for "beginners"

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>>108751785
So i get this right? It even shows the Extensions. https://apps.kde.org/dolphin/
>>108751813
(You)

>>108751942
Yeah, but what is your current DE?

>>108751955
How do i see it? Because i have no clue.

>>108751955
>>108751966
It's Cinnamon.

>>108751690
https://github.com/dvhar/pikeru

>>108751994
Yeah you could try and just use dolphin plus the Firefox config. Although it is not that elegant given that you are using cinnamon (gtk) and dolphin uses Qt. Maybe another anon can provide a more elegant solution for Nemo (which you are currently using), since I haven't used cinnamon in a year

>>108751862
>Is there any reason to switch to a distro like Arch now that i am more experienced
Not unless you need something that Arch offers. Mint is an LTS distro, meaning your system, drivers and your non-flatpak apps update only once every 2 years. Arch gets updates as soon as they are available, which is generally preferred on a desktop but not absolutely necessary if you stick to flatpaks anyway. There are some other under the hood differences, like Mint using apt which is (subjectively) the worst of the popular package managers (dnf>pacman>apt).
But again, if you're happy with Mint there is no reason to move away from it. If you have a spare computer or laptop then you can experiment with other distros on it if you want.

Hello Linux people, I come here with a humble request for help.
At my local, immensely run down, library there's a small side office that isn't in use, in a somewhat secluded area with a bunch of old ass dismantled PCs and all manners of office junk that isn't in any sort of use (and I wouldn't expect the current staff to even know how to put back together a PC for that matter). Since I go to the library often and between study sessions I get kinda bored, I wanted to do something fun as a little side project/experiment. Before you ask, no I'm not gonna steal them, but what I wanna do is to simply put back together a functioning PC and try out Linux and whatnot. So my questions are:
What distro should I use? I am a complete noob with bad experience trying to install Linux on a piece of crap laptop years ago (that one was in me, I used DVDs and it wouldn't work) so what distro and alike could work? Bare in mind we're talking with really old hardware here, like PS/2 connectors and VGA old. Don't expect the CPU to be anything stellar either. One of the things that I wanted to try (for shits n giggles) was something like Batocera or Bazzite, just for fun but I'm open to ideas
What can I do that's cool or neat or intresting? Gaming is most definitely a no-go, but it would be cool playing something like CS1.6 or something period accurate like that. Other cool stuff is most welcome.
How to install a distro in the first place? Like I know Rufus and stuff but is there anything else I'm supposed to know?

Thanks in advance, sorry I can't provide detailed specs or similar.

>>108752215
>drivers and your non-flatpak apps update only once every 2 years
how come I get updates every day then?

>>108752228
For old hardware... mint xfce probably

>>108752378
Those are security updates, not fully fledged updates that provide extra functionality or other shiny stuff

>>108752050
How do i enable Dolphin on Firefox config?

>>108752442
>Open new tab
>Type about:config on the search bar and press enter
>use the search function for
>widget.use-xdg-desktop-portal.file-picker
>set it to 1
>restart
If it doesn't work, then you have to export an environment variable somewhere I forgot, I'll see where it was supposed to be

>>108752228
AntiX would probably work great on them. If the computer's old enough you could burn it to a CD and install from that, but if you know if these old computers can boot from a USB then you can just use Rufus or Ventoy.

oh my good fucking christ
>wrestling with nvidia drivers after >>108750817
>at a point where inxi -Fxz and driver manger agree that nouveau driver is installed and loaded
>trying to change driver in driver manager results in Error while installing package: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnvidia-ml.so.1', which is also in package libnvidia-ml1
>purging nvidia packages and trying to reinstall does not fix
>nobody has ever had this error message before apparently according to jewgle
not sure what to do short of completely reinstalling my distro

>>108752459
>You also need to install xdg-desktop-portal and xdg-desktop-portal-kde
Yeah it might start to get annoying after this

>>108752397
Will look into it
>>108752479
I do have a USB stick and I'm pretty sure they do have atleast some USB ports, but I'll check tomorrow

>>108752228
>Gaming is most definitely a no-go
I mean, it can probably run anything made before 2008 no? Or simpler indie games.
>How to install a distro in the first place
Depends on how old the PC is. Some older PCs didn't support booting from a USB drive. In which case it might even be too old to support UEFI boot, meaning Bazzite and Batocera won't work. Especially if the CPU is 32bit since 32bit support was dropped by most distros long ago. I'd try with a distro that is made for older hardware, like Q4OS, since those usually still offer 32bit versions and should be lightweight enough for 2000-2008-era hardware.
As for how to install a distro, you just download the iso and flash it to a USB drive with Rufus, or burn it to a DVD.
If the PC doesn't support USB boot at all and doesn't have a CD/DVD reader, then you need to make an empty partition (at least 8GB) using Windows disk manager and then use UNetBootin to flash the iso onto that partition. This is assuming it has a working Windows install.

>>108752378
You're getting the security updates that get backported. Also their Cinnamon DE and all it's components are rolling release. So are web browsers like Firefox (for security reasons).

>>108752505
>Ventoy
Avoid ventoy
It could be a Chinese backdoor

>>108752516
Thank you very much for the useful info. I will confirm more tomorrow and inspect the hardware itself and try to date it
>>108752575
Ah didn't know that, thanks

>>108752459
>>108752501
didnt work for me

>>108748147
Red Hat are the ones making desktop Linux more modern.. some people have the opinion that making things better is good, no need to thank me for that profound knowledge

>>108748147
>everyone who doesn't like the latest freedesktop/red hat bullshit is a troglodyte or something
based and true

>>108751862
Contrary to what most people think, Mint (and Ubuntu LTS) is not "old" or "far behind" updates. It has the kernel 6.17 which has almost all features the newest 7.0 has, save some exceptions and you can add them by tweaking some stuff.
And even so, it will most probably get the kernel 7.0 or similar as HWE package later this year before Mint 23 is released.
Unless you have a very niche need there's not really much reason to not just stay with Mint.