>>108760613
>fvwm
sovl

Fedora KDE is too stable, what buggy flimsy piece of shit should I install instead to occupy my free time?

do you guys launch programs from the terminal?

>>108760944
Sometimes, though I mostly used keyboard shortcuts or rofi.

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>>108760944
usefull when you need straight debug level or deeper strace

>>108760944
obviously

i have a third-party bluetooth controller meant for the nintendo switch connected to a system that dual-boots bazzite and cachyos

the controller works perfectly on bazzite

on cachy, the controller buttons intermittently "stick" - i press a button and it stays pressed for a few seconds before releasing. this happens in cycles: for a few seconds, the buttons will press and release correctly, then for a few seconds the buttons will stay stuck before releasing. this happens regardless of whether steam is open or i'm just testing the controller in kde system settings

i've spent about twelve hours talking to LLMs about this, and while they've suggested about every imaginable configuration change involving bluetooth, drivers, udev, and sdl, nothing has helped

How long have you been on Linux and what made you go with it over any other OS? Was there a moment when it "clicked"?

I feel like a small, dumb fish in a giant ocean when it comes to learning this shit.
Like seeing a discussion about x86 vs arm and why most distros don't support arm. Like I know what computer architecture on surface level, I know x86 is old and what runs most stuff, arm is newer and energy efficient but not backwards compatible 100% with x86. But then people start talking about how ARM doesn't support UEFI, which I know is like the 'software of your motherboard but newer than BIOS', and that there's no ACPI which I've never fucking heard of before.
I'm trying to learn, but its like there's 3 types of resources: actual academia that I'm too stupid to understand, surface level forums and reddit posts that I can usually follow but it never gets too in depth, and then the middle ground where they try to explain it, but it requires prerequisite knowledge about something that I just don't have yet to fully understand the information.
I'm trying to be a good lil autist and read up on everything I don't understand but fuck dude it feels like a giant circle where I read about one thing, it talks about something I don't quite understand, so I google that, ad naseum.

>>108761340
All the books aren't academic, I mean sure some you might read in a comp sci class might be, but there are plenty of less rigorous books on these topics, like those no starch press books.
I'll be honest though, you probably don't need to know all that shit anyway, but if that's your hobby knock yourself out.

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I still think Ubuntu is more Just Works than Fedora

>>108761386
Except when it gets ddosed.

Anyone with debian 13 managed to install GPA (pgp interface)?

>>108760613
I have an external hard drive that has a folder path of:

/media/ME/HardDrive/FOLDER_A/FOLDER_A1/1.1T_of_SubFolders_and_Files

Is there an easy way to delete FOLDER_A1 in the path without deleting subfolders and files?

>>108761514
move all of the files in FOLDER_A1 to FOLDER_A then delete FOLDER_A1

>>108761829
Well I feel dumb. I thought it would take hours doing it that way. Thanks.

>>108761340
If you're really autistic about this shit you won't feel that ad nauseum, you'll just keep digging until you find something you understand and then backtrack to understand what you originally didn't.
I can suggest you drop it if it's really uncomfortable for you and just read or learn what is useful for you instead of trying to understand everything
>t. puter autistic

>>108762080
if you use linux u can just use the mv command

change the working directory to FOLDER_A1
`cd "/media/ME/HardDrive/FOLDER_A/FOLDER_A1"`

move all files in FOLDER_A1 to its parent directory (FOLDER_A)
`mv ./* ..`

change working directory to the parent directory (FOLDER_A)
`cd ..`

remove FOLDER_A1
`rm -r "FOLDER_A1"`

>>108761340
A lot of that stuff it's kind of not worth worrying about if you're not going to take the academic approach or go full Terry Davis and write your own interrupt handlers. If you didn't interact with the thing or something near to it, you're never really going to understand what it is.
>I know x86 is old and what runs most stuff, arm is newer and energy efficient but not backwards compatible 100% with x86
Almost everything you said here is wrong.

>have bookmark.txt
>look in it with libreoffice
>"Yup its a bunch of bookmarks
>save as bookmark.html of import it
>import it
>"Import complete!"
>Look into bookmarks
>empty
Why? I think its a LibreOffice thing because I tried with both chrome and brave and got the same result.

>>108762411
How did you generate "bookmark.txt" when browers export it as HTML? And I'm guessing by "import it" you mean into the browser? Whatever you did the browser seems to not like it because the format should be html.

>>108761386
except when debugging anything and learning that the system lies to you and install everything as snaps to push canonical stocks up instead of apt

>>108762865
>How did you generate "bookmark.txt" when browers export it as HTML?
No idea, there's 182 pages and I don't want to really do it manually but I think I have too, there is some sort of weird "text to html" program on github I've yet to try out, I'm just kinda shocked that saving it in .html didn't work because I'm assuming thats what browser's do when they export.

>boot live iso
>wifi works just fine
>install distro
>no wifi
Why do they do this to me?

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>>108762927
>>108762411
>because I tried with both chrome and brave and got the same result.
I did once an export import txt wtih bunch of webpage links, but i imported it to sesssion buddy extension. not sure if applicable or would support your txt file.

>looking into learning BASH
>everyone seems to think its a dumb idea from what I read online
>"But why... Linux basically runs on BASH..."
>go down the rabbit hole
>there are other scripting languages besides BASH to use
>most people don't know how BASH works and just google it, it makes sense, but to me its kinda like talking to a programmer who said he had zero experience programming before getting a job
>there are people now who prefer and even say the GUI is superior to terminal, which also confuses me
>everyone seems to hate CLI or not run it for their personal computer
>look up ways to learn BASH and one of the first comments I read about BASH is that it'll make you gay
I'm scared... Should I learn BASH or should I just learn one of these other custom retard scripts that seems like none uses other than to be pretentious?

>>108762979
I don't know what session buddy extension is, I tried to see if I could import the .txt but it only specifically wants .html and both browsers export .html

>>108762972
Which meme distro is this?

>>108762972
Because when you install a live iso it purposefully chooses a pre-configured kernel that fatter than normal to make the demo as smooth as possible, which means it has tons of configurations and hardware drivers to make your demo experience as easy as possible to convince you to switch, when you actually install it installs a blank kernel and its up to you to basically configure it unless you were impatient and didn't really know what you were doing during install and skipped through the part where it asks about configuring the kernel.

>>108762972
>>108763054
It's not the kernel, both have the same. It's that the installer environment came with Wi-Fi tools.

Why can't I make alias commands for sudo? Do I have to be sudo to make temporary aliases for sudo?

>>108763090
>it's not the kernel
...What do you think the wi-fi tool talks too...

>>108760944
mpv

>>108762984
yes, learn it, then learn python

>>108763121
The coding general doesn't like python at all so why python?

>>108762984
ur stressing urself out bro
bash is just a way to manage ur files
whether u use scripts or a gui, it doesn't matter. just because someone likes one tool doesn't mean everything else sucks, just use whichever tool you feel comfortable with.

computers are really cool because there are so many things you can customize to fit your wants and needs. find or create what you like and use it to get shit done, simple as that.

>>108762972
>>108763090
>>108763105
>>108763054
it's not that the kernel is fatter, it's the same kernel, the difference is the bundled firmware, the live cd is configured with basically all firmware and when the system is installed it only installs open source firmware, and guess what, wifi firmware are mostly closed source

>>108763130
you should ignore the coding general, those are elitists, normal people and engineers all use bash and python, the reason being is that python is already bundled with every distro, it's a full fledged programming language, easy, fast for what it does and extremely flexible

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>>108760613
comfy wm
love icewm
love niri

total desktop environment uninstall

>>108763105
They talk to the kernel. Your point being?

>>108763137
Right, there's the firmware too. Anyone neckbearding their first neckbeard installation could easily miss the fact that any so called "base" installation wouldn't come with all the world's firmware blobs. Or Wi-Fi tools.
(some anon even called it "broken networking" or some shit like that)

>LibreOffice
Doesn't have APA bibliographies or in-text citations
>Collabora Office
Doesn't have APA bibliographies or in-text citations
>OnlyOffice
Doesn't have APA bibliographies or in-text citations
>OpenOffice
Doesn't have APA bibliographies or in-text citations
>SoftMaker Office
Doesn't have APA bibliographies or in-text citations
>WPS Office
Doesn't have APA bibliographies or in-text citations

Why do these retards think referencing is unimportant? You have to run fucking Office 2007 through Wine to get any work done on Linux.

>>108762972
don't know what you installed but make sure it came with networkmanager or whatever you're using for that, I've forgotten it in a couple of arch installs

>>108763305
Sorry, but if you want to submit a formal complaint we only take them in one of the following word processors you mentioned with APA bibliographies or in-text citations.

>>108763305
LibreOffice has in-text citations but only if you download the Zotero plugin, I don't know why but they basically only do the word processing part and if you want it to do something specific you need to look for 3rd party plug-ins to add ontop of that. It makes it flexible, but I guess they are super bad at communicating how the program or the ecosystem works because I see a lot of similar complaints and people not even knowing that there is a plugin system.

>>108763305
>>108763305
https://www.zotero.org/support/libreoffice_writer_plugin_usage
Also
>repeating the same sentence six times
You don't seem like the best writer anyway.

>>108763381
>>108763363
You can download the plugin all you want, but then you have to go into Zotero and refresh it every time you update your sources. Not to mention this still doesn't introduce compatibility with MS Word bibliographies.

>>108763389
I'm not saying its perfect, I've never used it, I'm just saying it exists.

>>108763305
The EU is switching from Windows to Linux sometime in the future for all their government and school work, so potentially that problem will fix itself with the explosion of a whole continent potentially gearing up to switch over.

>>108763137
In this case it might actually be the kernel. It doesn't use the driver it does during the live boot which is wl. Actual install gives me bcma.

>>108762984
learn bash or you're ngmi, check out the bash guide in the op or just open up a script and try to read through it

>>108763001
>>108763054
>>108763090
>>108763137
Alright I think I got it figured out. Broadcom drivers are non free it seems and the artix installer comes with them but doesn't install them. Ive run into this with other distros in the past as well. Its installer also doesn't give an option to install them either so I had to do a bunch of reading and then then install them off of the aur.

>>108761386
Amén.
I really prefer Fedora but Ubuntu just fucking works ootb even with my nvidia card. You can't beat that level of convenience.

>>108763748
Ubuntu is pretty good if you don't mind signing in for security updates and aren't bothered by a ton of snap loop devices cluttering up command output (fdisk, df, etc.). Oh and apparently snap has telemetry you can't turn off but I haven't researched that properly.

>>108760944
I don't even open the terminal.

>>108761303
I experimented with it as soon as Windows 10 was released and switched away from Windows 7 permanently after 2 years.

>>108761303
>How long have you been on Linux
Around 10 years on my main PC
>what made you go with it over any other OS
I didn't like the direction windows was going, as soon as I found out about wine I jumped ship
>Was there a moment when it "clicked"?
I guess the first time I booted into it, I was really impressed

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so there is no better way to mount an smb share on kde huh

>>108761298
Do you have the steam-udev package installed? should be something like steam-udev or steam-udev-devices
Or just grab it directly from upstream and add it to /etc/udev/rules.d
https://github.com/valvesoftware/steam-devices

>>108764411
You can add it to /etc/fstab

Which sandboxing method is better to use between bubblewrap and firejail for firefox?

>>108764423
bubblewrap. or just use the flatpak version.

>>108764420
i don't want to type in my login credentials into a text file.

>If I had chosen Ubuntu for my web server then I would have been screwed by the recent DDOS attack on Ubuntu's infrastructure
>Instead I chose Debian because I'm smart and based
Sometimes I am blinded by my own genius

>>108761386
>>108762905
>>108763748
>>108763807
I think Ubuntu is a good option for Linux beginners who aren't going to care about the technicalities of snaps. If you're a real Linux enthusiast then sure you might want to use a different distro and customise it to your preferences. Ubuntu is a good starting point though without getting thrown in at the deep end.

niri is pretty cool
that config file is disgusting though

>>108761386
>fedora being pushed hard
>maybe the new fedora is good as people say
>no one talking about Fedora's past with Microsoft
>no one talking about Fedora's past with IBM
>no one talking about Fedora basically being untrustworthy and uses the fact they are a non-profit to hide behind corporate-like behavior
>sells your data for money
>no one talking about Microsoft's Fedora fork Azure was only made with close partnership with Fedora
Weird how the most corporate linux foundation besides Ubuntu all of a sudden is getting all this "favor".... Hmmm....

>>108764865
Not denying any of that. But from a user perspective, Fedora is overall pretty nice and less of a pain to deal with than Ubuntu depending on the type of user you are.
>t. Debian enjoyer

>>108764879
It's crazy to me that people even struggle with Ubuntu but I was also once that person too, just now looking back do I realize how much I've actually come as a user.

>>108764865
It's Red Hat, dumbass, not Fedora. If you're gonna schizo out at least get the name of the company right.

>>108764897
It's actually Red Hat Enterprises Limited, if you're gonna be autistic at least get the name of the company right.

>>108764865
low effort bait

>>108764915
And yet its all true, we went from sperging out about Amazon index searches to Ubuntu to jerking off to Microsoft Light.

how's Debian Stable compared to Arch?
Might consider hopping because some of my AUR programs have small but annoying bugs which could be due to libraries but idk if Debian Stable will be any better. I know how to make chroot installations of Linux but I have no experience with fucking with the GRUB boot menus and I'm kinda scared I will brick it somehow.

I loved the days of Windows XP and dll-files.com and ChatGPT told me the stable branch of Debian is the Windows XP of Linux distros.

>>108764915
Microsoft has a partnership with Red Hat and in Canonical and has also helped develop multiple features that both Fedora and Ubuntu use, and of course, every time they propose something they add telemetry that Canonical and Red Hat has to weed out.

>>108764921
send me a github file and number of a line where it steals your data

the only good linux distros (fedora and ubuntu) are good because corpos invest in them and they are not developed by some random troons
also you would be using bsd-tier trash os if it wasn't for red hat's development so better be thankful

>>108764922
>how's Debian Stable compared to Arch?
Imagine the world stopped in April 2025.
>some of my AUR programs have small but annoying bugs
Every distro has a different set of these. Debian is no exception.
>I have no experience with fucking with the GRUB boot menus
Just get an LLM to teach you.
>I loved the days of Windows XP
Debian is nothing like this, because on Windows you can grab 3rd party software from a random website and it is designed to work with Windows. The closest we have to this is AppImage (which obviously works on Debian).

All that said, Debian is a very nice distro.

>>108764939
>Thinking that the Microsoft and Fedora projects are open source
They only are after multiple audits between the two and then when they are about to push it does it appear publicly.
>the only good distros are corporate distros
Imagine being this new...

>>108764951
No
I'm too old and experienced to realize 98% of distros are meme and trash, and only those viewed as 'beginner' and 'casual' (mint, ubuntu, fedora etc.) are actually worth spending your time on

>>108764865
>corporations bad!
I get it, but it really doesn't matter. If a mega corporation improves my OS without compromise then I'm totally on board with it. Also these corporations are heavily involved in all Linux development, starting from the kernel itself. If you want to escape corporations then you shouldn't use the most important corporate OS on the planet. Not to mention that if it weren't for a random, bored Microsoft engineer the xz backdoor would not have been found almost instantly and almost every Linux desktop and server would have a Chinese backdoor in it right now.

>>108764958
If that's your take away you're actually still new and need to distrohop more and not sit in a cave and try to convince people that the shadows on the wall are better than the outside world.
>>108764961
Then your sleep walking into the exact same problem that made you and/or other people leave to begin with.

>>108764961
>Not to mention that if it weren't for a random, bored Microsoft engineer the xz backdoor would not have been found almost instantly and almost every Linux desktop and server would have a Chinese backdoor in it right now.
It was a cyber-security firm that used an AI called Xint that found the bug.

>>108764968
but with these distros you're already in the outside world
with the rest of the trash you need to tinker with chains and fix something on your every footstep (if you even manage to start walking)
and if you come outside you realize that corpos are keeping linux alive whether you like it or not

>>108764968
>Then your sleep walking into the exact same problem that made you and/or other people leave to begin with.
What made me leave is the blatant spyware of Windows after Win8.1. No matter how much corporations get involved into Linux, it will never be on the same level or even spyware at all. Everything that is being done is completely transparent. If a distro like Fedora implements any spyware at all, you will always have people make a 100% binary compatible fork named "Freedora" which removes it.

>>108764986
Andres Freund found it while performance testing and started digging deeper into it. If it weren't for him nobody would have noticed it.

>>108765006
>a 100% binary compatible fork of Fedora
Do you realize how impossible that is for a fast-moving distro?

>>108764922
With flatpaks and some extra tooling to get some newer versions of select packages, think I could make debian work awesome if I had to.
But have grown too attached to arch to give it up for no reason.

>>108764438
You're supposed to make the text file only accessible by root with chmod 600

>>108764865
Dont forget when fedora was pushing telemetry

>>108764939
Ubuntu has turned into a steaming pile of shit with all that corpo investment though
There's literally nothing wrong with bsd btw.

>>108764922
>ChatGPT told me the stable branch of Debian is the Windows XP of Linux distros.
No distro is like Windows, get your mind around that
>how's Debian Stable compared to Arch?
I use both in a daily basis and both serve a different purpose, at least for me and I'm sure a couple of anons will agree as well.
Arch has the most up to date packages and allows you to effortlessly install software that otherwise would require some time to compile. Because of its nature it has a high tendency of breaking if you don't regularly visit archlinux.org to read the change notes because of that it's mostly used as a desktop os, for the nerd that develops and play vidya.
Debian is kind of the opposite, it releases every 2 years so it has outdated software although pretty well tested and you can update it blindly essentially, it is designed to never break so it is mostly used on servers that their core doesn't need to have the latest software because it runs containers or virtual machines

>>108764961
>corporations... GOOD!
Let me guess you also hate RMS and the FSF

>>108744092
it seems like i fixed this issue by removing wireplumber's idle suspend. i think maybe it just forgets to unsuspend itself somehow lol. unfortunate though that i only was able to fix this because i was trying to tackle a different problem entirely (random white noise during laptop usage) so i probably wouldn't have fixed it otherwise

>>108760880
You should install KDE if you enjoy Krashing!

Do I have to use gnome if I have a foot fetish?

>>108764922
>>108765195
That said, if you're already used to the AUR then you'll certainly feel Debian a downgrade so maybe you could find a version of those AUR packages that doesn't have that bug

>>108765215
unfortunately yes sorry

>>108765215
No you can just use the foot terminal

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>>108760613
I just finished installing Gentoo. Now, I'm getting KDE setup.

>>108765012
Huh? How do you think Mint does it with Ubuntu? How do you think Bazzite and Ultramarine do it with Fedora?

>>108765204
I disagree with a lot of their opinions, but I don't hate them.

>>108765204
Everyone should hate the FSF. All they do now is grifting and psyops. They haven't contributed anything to the free software movement since the 90s.

>>108765303
>that screen
>that keyboard
>that trackpad
Name a more attractive laptop

>>108765511
True. FSF is doing absolutely nothing and Stallman is mentally ill. They were important 15-30 years ago but they're completely irrelevant today.

>>108763305
Linux culture uses text based formats like LaTeX or org mode for writing papers. Same reason LO doesn't have a GUI database either. Nobody who can make such a thing wants to use it, so it doesn't get made.

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>>108765512
Okay, here you go

>>108765551
>Jeetwork
Lol nah

>>108765551
bro that thing looks jeeted

>>108765303
wtf is that plastic toy lmaoooook

>>108765560
>>108765561
Smart:
>choosing a product based on whether it serves your needs well at the advertised price
Dumb:
>choosing a product based on whether the ceo of the company has asian ancestry

>>108765572
>at the advertised price
KEK nobody tell him

>>108765569
It's magnesium alloy, anon.

>>108765212
But I did, and it's not Krashing

>>108765551
>Framework
>founder and CEO: Nirav Patel
hmmmmmm...

>>108765303
>made in Japan
>in a market oversaturated with 99.9% chinkshit
R A R E
>>108765551
GOOD MORNING SAAR!

>>108765303
sovl
>>108765551
sovlless

>>108765551
Was this image made by AI?

>>108765381
>Bazzite and Ultramarine
Hmm, let's see. Do either of these fork their parent distro's core packages?

>>108765696
You don't need to fork core packages to remove spyware from a distro. You just don't include the spyware or disable it.

>>108765721
Screencap this

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>>108760944
I use hotkeys.

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>They’re starting to bump fake linux appstores to top of search results.
This SEO/supply chain sniping is getting out of hand.
Who the fuck would want to install “Linstore.exe” on their windows computer?

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>>108763544
Drivers are open but they may not be a part of the official Linux kernel, yet. In such cases your distro may provide them as separate DKMS module packages, or AUR packages when dealing with Arch.
But firmware blobs are always non-free, at least as far as I know.

>>108762905
what specifically is bad about snaps? what about snaps is worse than using Flatpaks?

>>108765858
nta but:
flatpak
>decentralized
>shared libs
>lower startup
>good defaults for desktop apps
snap
>centralized, Canonical
>bundles all libs
>slower startup, myriad of mountpoints
>uses apparmor, unexpected behavior

on my ubuntu systems I just purge snap and install flatpak instead

>>108765789
The same reason why someone who wants to install ubuntu was definitely meaning to install ubuntu WSL on windows

>>108760944
mpv is great with terminal

>>108765921
>decentralized
In theory true but in practice Flathub is the only repository people use. I agree that Snaps being inherently more tied to Canonical's infra is bad though
>shared libs
snaps bundle exact app deps including system libs, but can share deps via base snaps. Flatpaks have shared runtimes but apps usually bundle extra libs with no sharing
>slower startup
depends, snaps do a squashfs decompression on first run. after that, startup time will depend heavily on packaging quality
>uses apparmor, unexpected behavior
aside from $HOME being mounted somewhere other than /home, I don't think apparmor and seccomp cause any more quirks than Flatpak permissions, just through a different model

>>108760944
Yes, file browser and IDE, the later is almost mandatory because it grabs the correct ruby version

>>108762984
Knowing Bash is a basic Linux skill. The complaints come from trying to create a huge project in Bash. While it's possible it's easier in other languages. The Bash man page is only about 4000 lines long, not that difficult to internalise.

To get you started: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide (from the OP)
A newish video course I highly recommend, helped me to brush up on some Bash stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx9zG7wa4FA

Can someone with current GIMP (3.2.4 or dev version) please do the following?
>open multiple files in single-window mode
>scroll mouse wheel up/down on files tab pane
Does this switch between files? If not by default, is there a way to configure it?

>>108766016
>The Bash man page is only about 4000 lines long, not that difficult to internalise.
And dash (POSIX /bin/sh) is under 1200. Arguably easier to digest as a starting point.

How do you get Windows working with your own custom secure boot keys? Arch wiki says "add the hash of bootmgfw.efi to the list of allowed hashes in the db variable". How do you do that and get the hash of the .efi?

>>108765921
I don't even care about the rest, but just the fact that snaps are inherently tied to canonical and snap stores is closed source, is reason enough for me to not ever touch it.

>>108766056
>Arguably easier to digest as a starting point.
Maybe. It's important to understand which features are unique to Bash. I'd just never recommend anyone to write POSIX shell scripts if they have Bash as an option, Bash is so much easier.

>>108766096
True, but understanding the POSIX core and then learning the extra bash bits is how it happened historically.

>>108764890
I blame Canonical, last time I spend a bunch of time trying to find out why a certain application wasn't working as intended, and after several days I learned that it was Canonical literally tricking the user by aliasing apt to snap, just felt like the company backstabbing me, something I'd expect from Microsoft.

My bluetooth trackpad never works without fiddling with it.
It actually says connected and then I have to toggle the connection in the gui - that seems to be the best.
I can also toggle the physical power switch a bunch of times, that sometimes works but not as well.

Any ideas to make it work better?

>>108765921
Centralization is completely irrelevant as long as there is a mechanism for the application's official developers to sign the packages and packages to be verifiably theirs.

As for shared libs and slower startup times, I don't see an issue here. Like sure, this is true in a technical sense, but in practice it's entirely irrelevant.
The additional storage space consumed by either Snap or Flatpak is almost nothing even on budget computers and laptops. As long as your PC has at least 120GB of storage you will not find yourself lacking space.
As for "slower startup", it taking an additional second for an app to open isn't that big of a deal. People will tolerate an app taking 5-10 seconds to open as long as it works fine after it does. So the difference between 100ms-1s and 500ms-2s is irrelevant.

Anyone else running arch+kde having trouble with xdg portal? Both obs screencapture and my browser's filepicker stopped working (well the latter reverted to the default one but you know what I mean)

>>108765303
First time seeing anyone use let alone have one of these laptops

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>>108763305
Where would I even get a cracked Office 2007 that isn't just a virus?

>>108766454
Office 2010 is the only .msi installer Office that you can easily get through massgrave

I updated arch and now I can't open floating windows if I want to save/post images. SAD!

>>108766096
Posix sh is much easier than bash though, but its also more limited than bash.
I always write shit in posix sh if i can over bash.

Whats wrong with wine?
When an application crashes in windows, it'll lag, fades to white then says stops responding with the option to kill the application
When a application crashes in wine, it fucking crashes the desktop, taking down all other applications with it

How does ungoogled Chromium compare to Firefox ESR when it comes to privacy and performance?

>>108766624
with ugChromium you gain better privacy and performance by default but you lose good adblocking like uBO.

>>108766618
>When a application crashes in wine, it fucking crashes the desktop, taking down all other applications with it
That's not normal. Most of the time you should be able to close it forcefully with xkill or with ctrl+alt+f* and htop. Full system freezes are a lot rarer (happened to me once or twice, nvidia bug)

>>108766624
It's the Chromium engine with all Google stuff removed from it, though it still obliges by MV3 so you can't use proper uBO unlike Firefox or Brave.

>>108766784
>good adblocking like uBO
I've been using AdGuard for the past 4-5 years and I've never seen an ad in that time, I think it works perfectly fine

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>>108765303
Nice
>>108761303
About 12 years now. When a Windows 8 update wrecked the system and made me have to reinstall that's when I decided to divest. I chose Linux specifically because I hate Apple and would rather be free than be an Applefag. You can make Linux into whatever you want anyway so if you like the Windows UI you can have that, whereas with MacOS you're just exchanging one locked-down OS for another and you still don't fully own your own system.
Shit barely goes wrong these days on my Linux and even when it does at least I know it was 100% my fault or negligence and not Microslop forcing a shitty update. Case in point, compiling mesa kept failing, leaving my system half-updated and it was giving me a headache until I discovered I unnecessarily had "intel" and "vmware" in VIDEO_CARDS in my make.conf. I removed them and mesa compiled.

>>108766806
Found some apps that would ignore a typical shutdown order, so I do forcefully close it, that basically guarantees the desktop to crash

>>108766624
Firefox technically has more protections against fingerprinting than chromium, but you would still get fingerprinted as using firefox on linux. While chromium will fingerprint you as using chromium on linux while also giving away other metadata.
Adblock is also worse on chromium thanks to manifest v3 but i don't really know how much it matters.

>>108766618
Does the issue still happen if you run the wine application with the built-in virtual desktop?

>>108765166
it's still a text file with my login info

>>108766471
I thought massgrave didn't work on Linux? Office 2007 is prettier than 2010 btw

>>108761303
Been using on and off since 2007 (Ubuntu CD era) but never got too deep into it. Finally uninstalled my main Windows OS when the Steam Deck (2022) was released. I just didn't like the direction Windows was going, also I was curious about the Btrfs-RAID storage, still swear by it, feels like magic, RAID was never this easy. The release of Windows 10 was actually very bad for me, I even went back to Windows 7 but I didn't feel like Linux could cover all my use cases yet back then. The moment you "get" Linux is when you don't have to think where the files are and where they should go.

>>108761303
About a year, and it clicked when Windows 11 became so dogshit that I had to fight it to be able to do things. I figured that since I'm fighting with the computer anyway, I might as well learn Linux. It was a good decision.
I should in fact have done this much earlier (before Windows 10 existed - it already kinda sucked back then) but I remember trying Ubuntu and concluding that Linux is dogshit because of the GNOME DE and because I have to type a password whenever I use sudo. I did not know that Linux has multiple DEs and that you can have a passwordless sudoer.

Just finished installing Fedora, my first Linux distro. Wat nou?
I installed all the available updates and changed some settings in FireFox + UBO

>>108767670
>>108767670
rpmfusion flatpacks codecs etc.. this was the first result when searching for post-install, not sure if its good?
https://github.com/devangshekhawat/Fedora-44-Post-Install-Guide

>>108767670
Set up rpmfusion so that video playback works properly.

>>108767670
>>108755052

>>108767670
>>108767739
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryHowto%5Cb%29

>>108767658
To be fair Linux was shit during the Windows 10 era. Early KDE 5 was a mess, GNOME 3.xx was fucking awful compared to GNOME 42+, Unity was buggy, MATE, Cinnamon, etc. were all shit too. I think Xfce was the only usable DE back then but even it was clearly a hobby project. If you were on Ubuntu you probably went with the LTS which was an even worse experience.
Trust me, if you thought Ubuntu was shit back then you wouldn't be happy with other distros or DEs either. Linux only got good for the "general audience" somewhere in 2020-2023 depending on the distro.

>>108767670
Disable Fedora's flatpak repo and enable the Flathub repo. Set up RPMFusion.
Uninstall Firefox if you're using their default version from dnf since they tamper with it. Use the Flatpak (from Flathub) instead.

I'm having a miserable time trying to get ncspot to render album art. I have ueberzugpp installed. It renders fine when testing it. I have kitty installed, it can render images no problem too, as I do so with fastfetch.

Anyone got a cover art seection of their config they can share? Just so I can see what I'm doing wrong.

https://youtu.be/r9zRKOSvjK4

>>108767766
>flatpak browsers
>broken internal sandboxing
lol, hf having your cookies stolen

Amazing what one thing does to stop your system randomly freezing. Will nouveau ever properly work with older Nvidia mobile gpus?

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nouveau.noaccel=1"

>>108768185
>novueau
never, you can blame jensen

Does the latest Mint XFCE run okay on my 2GB laptop? I mainly use it for music and IPTV

I remember Mint 20.3 really slowed down and messed things up on this machine.

>>108768223
It's apparently the kernel's fault. Newer versions of the kernel are getting worse with older hardware. It won't be long until a lot of older systems have to be written off.

>>108768259
I know this is a friendly thread and I'm sorry but you're just trolling and if not then you have no clue what you're saying

>>108768249
Probably better to go for Debian + LXDE. Xfce uses approx 700mb on my machine. Mint just has too much extra stuff for me to care using.

>>108768262
The kernel is getting bigger, though. There has been discussions of stripping back more legacy code from it. If you require a separate /boot, then this becomes an issue with bigger initramfs. Mine is 100MB+ because of nouveau. On my other system it's only 60MB.

>>108768277
>driver and firmware taking too much space
>somehow it's the kernel fault
okay

>>108768293
The point is they will take out parts that are not actively maintained but critical for some older systems to work. You will have to patch together your own franken kernel. I just feel Linux is not so focused on keeping older hardware going these days.

>>108768329
and that's a good thing

>>108768342
No it isn't. It will make novice people think GNU/Linux is terrible for older machines and then buy a new Windows 11 AI powered laptop.

>>108768361
it will keep insufferable faggots like you away

>>108768329
Linux doesn't have a stable ABI for drivers like Windows does, old drivers that no one cares about can become a maintenance burden very easily. People running ancient and obscure hardware have alternatives like NetBSD.

>>108768372
>wahh wahhh gatekeeping is le GOOD because... because it just is and i don't like you and you're a poopyhead!!!
that's not very Friendly GNU/Linux Thread of you.

When should I use flatpak and when should I use system packages. i.e. steam, Firefox, vs code - what should I install them with?

>>108768409
Flatpak was designed with desktop applications in mind, so yes, browsers, vscode, steam, yada yada can be installed with it
All terminal utils, services, docker, and all sorts of backend stuff is best to install via system packages

>>108768409
It's your choice, really.

>>108768409
flatpak is a package manager. The more package managers you use simultaneously, the more complex and harder to manage the system becomes. So the answer: use your main package manager unless you absolutely can't.

AppImages are a different story. Use them when you can. They're just awesome (when they work).

Check it out

https://github.com/DesktopECHO/IceCreamLinux

Just tried this thing on an old-ass ASUS tablet from 2013 and it runs surprisingly well
So well I might just keep it around instead of letting it rot in the closet

>>108768444
I've heard this as general advice

>>108768455
Got a sister?

>>108768492
Throwing app images into the mix? What's the real point of flatpak then? If your distro maintainer hasn't packaged an app for you, the devs can provide a flatpak or app image? And why are all images so good?

Thanks for the replies.

>>108768409
You can use anything you want, the packages are there for you to use. The quality of the software packaging does differ, depending on how hard the repo jannies work. Personally I find there to be value in keeping the base system lean, so I prefer software outside the system package manager. The whole immutable distro paradigm is based on this.

>>108768525
>What's the real point of flatpak then?
the dude who updates the program can do so independently of your distro. Useful for some games and niche programs.

>why are all images so good?
If an AppImage works well, it is by definition good because it works on all distros. It's like extremely compatible. So if your favorite program is an AppImage, and it works smoothly and has no bugs, the developer has done a good job. (Disclaimer: Just my humble opinion. Really I just want to promote the concept of AppImage because I like it)

My brother has EndeavourOS installed and it refuses to shutdown since he used yay on Monday. The screen goes to black but the hardware keeps working and even the gpu starts spinning its fans. After a couple of minutes the system just reboots itself.
All I could think of was reading the logs with journactl, but it says that everything went fine during the shutdown. Just in case it's a hardware problem, I've used a live usb to try and shutdown form a different system and it worked perfectly fine, so the issue is with Endeavour.
That's as far as my knowledge goes, so I'd like some help to understand the problem. Also, I know AUR packages tend to be troublesome, but my brother says he only installed fightcade and maybe discord from there.
He's fine with installing a new OS from scratch since his system is pretty barebones, but now I'd like to know what's wrong and how to fix it.

>>108766124
It was more of a transitional stub than an alias, but I did the same thing on Xubuntu: deleted all my snaps and set the download priority to -1

has anyone fixed the problem of package managers and running random ass code from github repos?
I'm thinking this needs to be done at the OS level with some kind of sandboxing

>>108768361
It is because people who come to Linux for FREE SHIT are the most toxic users imaginable.

There are specialty distros for very old and extreme low spec hardware. Normal desktops shouldn't have to seriously think about supporting 20+ yo hardware. Nobody who gives a shit mains a PC from the Bush administration.

>>108761303
Three years. I installed it on an old laptop because it kept crashing during windows updates (graphics card related iirc). Turns out everything was 100% functional on linux.
I've been using Artix ever since and haven't looked back.

>>108760880
gnome

>>108760880
try a dev branch of xfce with their newest wayland compositor, under arch of course

>>108763305

but they do
stardard textwall included

>>108768249

it is going to be bad

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>>108768871
>systemd-networkd always seems to bind to 0.0.0.0 even when using BindToInterface=yes in [DHCPServer]
Well, it's doing the exact thing, binding to an interface, %br means it's bound to an interface called "br". Which looks correct to me as I'm assuming that's a bridge of local interfaces for your LAN clients. Right?
>I was expecting it to just bind to the bridge's static address
Wrong. You can't bind DHCP to something like "192.168.1.1" as DHCP has to listen to all IPs. The DHCP clients don't have an IP when they are making the request. Get it?

And now that you are using systemd for everything, remember to:

DNSStubListenerExtra=0.0.0.0

So you don't need any extra software for serving DNS
t. systemd/Linux router builder

>>108767250
Not the script suite, the links they offer to download Windows/Office which are the cleanest current ways to get them besides from MS themselves. They offer Office earliest to 2010 as a .msi installer you could run in Wine.

>>108770124
>the links they offer
They're not pre-activated are they?

>>108770146
No but they include a license code for 2010.

>>108770161
What about 2007?

>>108770307
They don't have 2007. You gotta look elsewhere for that.
The weebly site OS Vault has some ISO downloads for it.

Have any of you used or recommended Ultramarine?
I want to migrate to the Fedora ecosystem buy vanilla Fedora seems too barebones and Nobara too bloated, I learned that Ultramarine is the happy medium of being just fedora with the essential repos added.
Problem is, I saw it's maintained by like 10 furry degenerates which I don't know if at this point is a pro or a con.

>>108770646
>Ultravagene
All derivative distros suck. No exceptions. Except maybe Ubuntu. But that also kinda sucks, so yeah.
Just use Fedora. It's not hard to add RPMFusion/Terra to it.

>>108770646
Aurora and Bazzite are the ones to look into if you feel like using atomic Fedora.

>>108770658
Ultramarine isn't atomic though
>>108770646
Ludora is Ultramarine but better because it has snapshots

>>108770653
Yeah I figured that. I'm just a lazy pos kek.
>>108770658
Not really into atomic distros. Tried them a bit but there's always some workaround I have to do. And distrobox isn't production ready.
Welp, I might as well just go plain Fedora and add shit myself.
Thanks brahs.

>>108770668
>Ludora
Ah fuck yet another fork. It looks surprisingly well thought tho. I might give a spin later.

>>108767940
I've used Flatpak for 7 years and never had any "cookies stolen". It's a meme.

>>108768409
>When should I use flatpak
Always, unless you need deep system integration like you might need with VSCode in some cases. Flatpak VSCode needs more tinkering to get it to work when debugging, and it doesn't integrate with your native shell by default unless you change a config file. But software like that is very few and far between.

>>108768492
>use your main package manager unless you absolutely can't.
That's a bad advice. The "main" package manager (pacman/dnf/apt/zypper) should only be used for low level system stuff. Otherwise you're overcomplicating your OS instead of separating OS packages from user packages (Flatpak/Appimage/Snap/Distrobox).

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>>108770822
>https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/5921
nothing will happen if you browse safe sources prudently with proper settings/extensions, yes, but it's still a tiny hole nonetheless. Native packages still hold the advantages of size and being checked for your current distro. Flatpak I feel is only optimal somewhat if it's the official recommended way from the devs themselves, then you'll want to use btrfs compression for all the different runtimes too. I do like them and use them alot now that I'm running Silverblue, but on a normal distro your package manager is just better than flatpak (if it's in the repos).

for the anons using GNOME: Do you use extension or just leave it vanilla?

Alright I've been posting a lot about crashes and maybe things are being narrowed down.

It might be the BIOS.
How do I properly update my gigabyte motherboard?
I want to make sure this is all done properly so I don't brick my PC.

I evacuated important files to an external SSD.

>Linux Mint XFCE btw
Might switch to Fedora XFCE if this turns out to be a genuine fix. And I am liking XFCE.
Will the BIOS update stay even as I change Linux distros?

>>108770930
what's your issue to begin with?
also, why are you posting the same to /fwt/?

>>108770898
>but it's still a tiny hole nonetheless
It's a purely theoretical hole which only affects your browser session and is only severe if you have shit opsec anyway. If you're the type of a person to get compromised by (theoretical) attacks which are mitigated by a browser sandbox, then you're the type of a person that will fall for a social engineering attack and get yourself compromised anyway.

A Flatpak sandbox, no matter how flawed the default settings are, will at least protect your OS from a malicious domain. Protecting your OS is far more important than protecting your 4chan pass from a malicious domain masquerading as a porn website.

Also, it's not like there is no browser sandboxing in Flatpak. As far as I'm aware Firefox fully supports it and the only flaw in Chrome is the fact that the sandbox replacement is untested. So it's a literal non-issue.

>>108770912
>appindicator
>blur my shell
>caffeine
>clipboard
disable legacy tray icons support if you want VRR for gaymes, bare minimum to make it not look like shit and usable imo

>>108770822
UBlue shill woke up

>>108770959
>what's your issue to begin with?
Crashes. Graphics resets.
>why are you posting the same to /fwt/?
I feel stupid now that you mentioned that.
I was hoping for extra info that could be useful. But now I feel very dumb.
It is also past midnight. I hope to check back later when I'm rested.

>>108771032
take out your ram and pass the eraser to the golden pins, do the same to your gpu if you have one

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I'm so comfortable with my system I don't even know why I lurk these threads anymore.

>>108771155
Gross.

>>108761340
What is the actual goal here? Simply trying to absorb all information without understanding why it's useful to you, is almost always futile.

>>108771024
Where exactly are you seeing UBlue shilling?

>>108770822
you can type about:support in your flatpak firefox and check sandbox flags to see if it's a meme

>>108768519
Seems neat. I like seeing projects like this. GNU/Linux on mobile devices needs more love. Sadly I don't have a tablet that it would work on

>>108771184
Oh wow, the only difference is "User Namespaces" being "false" while "User Namespaces for privileged processes" is "true", whatever will I do?

>>108760613
>OP screenshot
What are some window managers / desktop environments with this feel?

I did try IceWM and similar in the past but my main complaint is that auto window resize when dragging them to the edges is not available, as I use that a lot. Like dragging a text editor to the left side of the screen so it resizes to half of the screen.

>>108771266
WindowMaker/GNUstep/OpenStep

LLMs were the best thing to happen to configuring Debian. No more adapting ArchWiki/ArchBBS solutions!

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>the kernul :-D
Shut the Fuck up you cocksucker

>>108771459
A lot of LLMs seem to be trained a lot on doing computer tasks/setup which I guess makes sense. Claude is really good at it.

Is gentoo a viable daily driver? I've been using various distros for several years and I'm familiar with linux and I like the idea of near total control over everything. I'm also irl programmer so I'm familiar with everything behind it.
Does it break often?

>>108771726
>Is gentoo a viable daily driver?
no

>>108771726
>Is gentoo a viable daily driver?
yes, i'm using it right now

Crunchbang, now THAT was a distro.

>>108771922
I mean Crunchbang++ exists, so it technically lives on.

>>108771933
>blurry fonts out of the box!

>>108771922
What a blast from the past

>>108771948
BunsenLabs then? ArchBang?

>>108771948
That's usually a scaling issue either on the desktop backend or the text backend

>>108771266
>What are some window managers / desktop environments with this feel?
IceWM, FVWM, E16, WindowMaker
>auto window resize when dragging them to the edges is not available, as I use that a lot
I got that working in IceWM with a script but it was very hacky and resource intensive for what it did imo