A general for vibe coding, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, MCP, and shipping prototypes with LLMs.►What is vibe coding?https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/►Prompting / context / skillshttps://docs.cline.bot/customization/cline-ruleshttps://docs.replit.com/tutorials/agent-skillshttps://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark/prompt-tips►Editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://opencode.ai/https://cursor.com/docshttps://docs.windsurf.com/getstarted/overviewhttps://code.claude.com/docs/en/overviewhttps://aider.chat/docs/https://docs.cline.bot/homehttps://docs.roocode.com/https://geminicli.com/docs/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent►Browser builders / hosted vibe toolshttps://bolt.new/https://support.bolt.new/https://docs.lovable.dev/introduction/welcomehttps://replit.com/https://firebase.google.com/docs/studiohttps://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/sparkhttps://v0.app/docs/faqs►Open / local / self-hostedhttps://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHandshttps://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-codehttps://github.com/QwenLM/Qwen3-Coderhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/Qwen_Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-GGUF►MCP / infra / deploymenthttps://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/getting-started/introhttps://modelcontextprotocol.io/exampleshttps://vercel.com/docshttps://mcp.desktopcommander.app/►Benchmarks / rankingshttps://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/https://www.swebench.com/https://swe-bench-live.github.io/https://livecodebench.github.io/https://livecodebench.github.io/gso.htmlhttps://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0►UI/FrontendFigma MakeLovableClaude designhttps://uiverse.io/https://ui-ux-pro-max-skill.nextlevelbuilder.io/https://stitch.withgoogle.com/https://gamma.app/https://github.com/nextlevelbuilder/ui-ux-pro-max-skill►Previous thread>>108753157
>>108761935Vibe gods, how are we doing this evening?
>>108761950I'm vibegooning, then I'll be setting up my assistants to work on 10 parallel projects during the night while I sleep. Life is good.
Vibe coded operating systems: 0Vibe coded web browsers: 0Vibe coded compilers: 0Vibe coded virtual machines: 0Vibe coded file systems: 0Vibe coded gpu drivers: 0
Vibe coded girls: 0this is the only metric that matters
>>108761976AI code is already in all of them
>>108761950I'm trusting Qwen3.6-27B-IQ4_NL with my codebase for the first time. I'm feeling nervous about it so far.
>>108761976>Vibe coded operating systemsWindows>Vibe coded web browsersAtlas >Vibe coded compilersc4 compiler>Vibe coded virtual machines: 0RISC-V AI bootable VM>Vibe coded file systems: 0tigrisfs>Vibe coded gpu drivers: 0NVIDIA>Vibe coded girls: 0/lmg/ /ldg/ /aicg/ /adt/
Where is that github abuse anon where he had 10 agents making games? I have questions. What's the progress on that?
>>108761950Pretty good. The design phase is going well.
>session limit reached>wait 5 hours>ok lad please continue what you were doing>instantly 40% used just figuring out where he left off
>>108761969How do you get things to work on stuff over night without intervening?
>>108762055some faggot photoshopped revenues to profits in the subtitle
>>108762064/goal
>>108761935you will never be a brogrammer
I am actually working on something, it's not exactly vibe coding but vibe coding adjacent? I'm having qwen summarize different scripts, systems, etc inside the source code of a game. Does anyone have a decent workflow for this? Right now I have it assign confidence values to scripts it feels are related, generate an idea of what fits the usage, and add a summary until it gets to a .90 confidence rating. All "facts" are gated by human intervention. It feels very very barebones. Granted, I'm just now getting cron jobs set up to run the scripts for the script linking, but it is also taking time.
>>108761981InshallaaaAAAHHHHH we shall have them
>another week's worth of tokens spent hammering out the same (core) featureIt's over
>>108762144I had this issue, what solved it for me was paying more for extra parallel agents.
HOLY fuck ChatGPT 5.5 instant is so fucking fast
>>108762074This sounds less like vibe coding and more like “LLM-assisted reverse engineering/documentation”, which is actually a good use case if you keep the model on a leash.I would split the workflow into stages instead of having Qwen keep looping until confidence hits .90. First pass should be dumb/static: filenames, imports/includes, symbol names, class names, comments, call references, asset references, config keys. Build a graph from that without the LLM if possible. Scripts are nodes, calls/assets/events are edges.Then use Qwen only to label clusters and generate hypotheses. Make it cite exact evidence for every claim, like “this script likely controls NPC patrol because it references X, Y, Z and is called by A.” No evidence, no fact. Confidence should be based on evidence count/quality, not vibes from the model.I’d also keep summaries in layers. Tiny one-line summary, longer functional summary, dependencies, entry points, unknowns, and “things to verify manually.” The unknowns field is important because otherwise the model will quietly sand down ambiguity.Cron is fine, but make it diff-aware. When a script changes, only re-run summaries for that script and neighbors in the graph. Store outputs as sidecar JSON/markdown, not injected directly into source at first. Once the pipeline is stable, then maybe generate comments.If you can run the game or capture logs, runtime traces are insanely useful. Static graph plus runtime “this actually executed after this event” beats LLM guessing every time.The main improvement I’d make is stop treating .90 confidence as the goal. Treat “has cited evidence, has known unknowns, has human approval” as the goal. The LLM should produce a map for you to inspect, not decide when it has become true.
>>108762168But is it good?
>>108762189Yeah for ChatGPT tier questions, it auto switches to thinking when it needs to.
>>108762189For basic-medium questions? 100%, it is insane how good it is, just don't ask something that needs a lot of research.
>Good morning GPT-sensei. I am in dire need of your help. This code is all spaghetti! It looks clean and well-documented, but it's shit. Audit and make 5 recommendations for grand sweeping refactors.>[implement all of them uncritically]>GPT-sama, I would be honoured if you would audit my codebase. I suspect refactor disaster. It looks clean and well-documented, but under the hood it's nonsense. Layers and layers of retarded internal data structuring that actually just makes everything more opaque and adds function call overhead etc. Identify 20 over-engineered abstractions which are ideal targets for refactoring into simple if or switch code paths that just werk.>[implement all of them uncritically]
>>108762184ngl anon, some of that is there like it having known unknowns, but some others are super helpful. 1000 thanks
>>108762184>quietlyAnon either you've been talking to GPT too long and you're starting to absorb its diction, or you got GPT to help you write this post. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the former.*Either way: not good.*(Although this post is full of "tells" so I'm really stretching to say there's still doubt)
>>108761935The end is near for the AI bubblehttps://9to5google.com/2026/05/05/google-ai-ultra-lite-gemini-usage-limits/
>>108762648two more weeks
I hope I finish vibecoding this project before the AI bubble bursts
>>108761950doing manual QA
>>108762054DipsyGODs don't have this problem fyibtwtbh
>delegate to v4-flash and check all it's work!
>>108762035Last I saw he put the project on pause right when github announced they're probably moving to usage billing
Is this a good use of vibe coding?
>>108763035cool ipad app, retard
>>108763064Bro don't you wanna post on 4cord?
https://xcancel.com/hopes_revenge/status/2051812252169503018
is chatgpt go plan good enough for vibecoding?
>>108763082lamo free tier is like 5 short messages per day.. so you get 10x that, lmao lol, maybe if you wanna do 30 minutes of work per day
>>108763104I tried the free Codex using the VSCode extension and for some reason I got access to the limited 5.5 version with extra high reasoning, which works great for debugging my company's large project. Now I'm wondering if the Go plan would be better. I already use Claude Code for actually building features anyway.
>>108762443kys
>>108763035
It is built. Took me seven hours straight.
>>108763136if you want codex then start from plus tier because that's where they explicitly mention it
>>108763186Tell her I said hi.
>>108763035Looks like shit lol but I'm glad you're having fun
Why does chatgpt keep asking for one last question at the end of every response?
>>108763261It's moving the conversation forward.
>>108763261Prompt it not to do that
>>108763035Finally, I can have my trannycord in my 4chinz.
>codex has switched from goblins to gobletsis this the power of AI?
>>108763708My gpt-5.5 is specifically prompted to talk about goblins and forest spirits in my code and projects. Do you not like that?
How is it ok that Anthropic keeps decreasing the user's chosen effort level on each update? Is this just a bug on my end? It has happened at least 2-3 times, Claude had been sloppy today and I just found that it had been reduced again. Isn't the forced adaptive thinking enough to abuse users? Why do that as well? Using the VSCode plugin.
>>108763708
>>108763824thumbnail looks like paizuri
why do the chinese models keep falling behind?
>>108763904My Chinese friend says people in China have access to cheaper tokens and much more advanced models than what us Westerner pigdogs have.
>>108764017you mean the guy from the country that kills you if you're not overly patriotic of your country said that their product is better? WOW!
>>108764017>>108763904My Chinese friend says the opposite (in that western models are still better, based on his experience).
Heres my system for vibe coding and it works:>Hermes with Deepseek V4 flash or pro depending on complexity -- verifier, scope management, and manager>Codex with GPT5.5 -- precision implementer, standard work dev>Claude Code with Opus or Sonnet -- planner, debuggerDespite what you might think, even though Hermes is managing the project, I have her on a tight leash. She doesn't tell Claude and Codex what to do. She just scopes for them, provides her thoughts on issues which they can reject, and verifies their work. This greatly reduces my token use with Codex and Claude Code.Its fully autonomous. I don't need to be in the loop. They also have scripts they use for verification, few other things, and managing the ledger to reduce their token use. I have both a local ledger system, or using Github for the same purpose. I'm testing both out to see which works more efficiently. I haven't decided yet whether to go with a local system or Github.
>>108764183>Its fully autonomous. I don't need to be in the loop.yes anon, I'm sure your faggy shilled harness is autonomously coding all your badass ideas to perfection
>--
Anthropic finally BTFOd the poor fags on the free teir by making sure they cant get anything done with it. 2 months ago, I used to send my whole codebase to Cluade with a free account and it would review it all lolnow the free tier crashes out at like 2000 lines or somethingI had a paid account but still used the free plan for free tokens
>>108764183>I don't need to be in the loop.uh huh, have you looked at the code yet?
Almost done with my DS5 Bridge. Just need to finish refining the Lighting/System UI and then it should be ready to publish. I only have 2 sessions left until the 11th, so I hope I can get this done tomorrow.
Reminder that Hermes is malware
>>108764318hell, I made a chrome/firefox extension with the free tier. Now I can't create a simple py script.
Vibe coding is bizarre because I fixed every single internal operational issue at the company I work for by building discrete tools to solve each thing, unified it with a dashboard and chat bot that will answer any question an exec or leadership asks it in natural language, and it just werks but nobody will ever use it and if I tried to sell it to the company I work at I would likely be fired and suedBut the most bizarre thing of it all is it could all be done if everyone was just more competent, used a notepad and took detailed notes regularly, and set reminders on their phones to follow up
Is Deepseek better for piracy? I mean, when I try to feed some ebooks to claude or chatgpt they complain it's "copyrighted" but I haven't found that problem with DeepSeek yet.
>>108764539What.. like just asking the model to read an ebook and answer questions? Why would it think it's piracy?
>>108761935I was shown a demo of ChatGPT when it first launched of how it could help with Unreal Engine programming, yet I still haven't thought about using it for making even a single game, even the one I was following tutorials to create at the time.Where should I start to update my 3dfag workflow or increase my speed of learning? I'm mega-ADHD brained by the way.
I'm trying to use the YOLO models for facial/car reg plates recognition for blurring, eventually dogs as well. I'm having a hard time getting a good detection rate, like for a few frames where it's more or less the same thing, it will either detect the same thing or not.I'm working with 4k 360 imagery so not sure if that's messing with it.How would I go about doing this properly and making sure I get proper detections?
>>108764539Claude at least up to 4.5 used to be able to be convinced of doing pretty much anything just by talking to it, GPT I haven't had that much luck with. It literally told me it would let an arbitrary number of people be tortured or genocided before helping with anything that it thinks could be legally questionable.
Holy hell I hate QA and I'm not about to burn millions of tokens using like ChatGPT desktop to test my GUI shittheres all these little fucking insignificant bugs and Im doing full QA passes testing out every little button and tab and combinations of buttons and then send the report to my agent for it to fix, and still most of the shit is not fixedMy app is like 99% done, well, more like 95% done since I want to do some polish to it. But this last little hurdle is maddening. Im probably going to spend days of this last 1% shit.
>>108764605>I'm working with 4k 360 imagery so not sure if that's messing with it.can't be helping, both res and the warping.i'd reproject, downsample, and slice the image upmaybe check what resolution it was trained at>>108764632my gpt emails me lists of books it wants to read and i pirate them for it lol
>>108764605Which YOLO model exactly? Look into data augmentation. For each image in your training dataset you have to create dozens or hundreds of variants of the image rotated, rescaled, warped, color, contrast and brightness shifts, noise added, etc.I made an object detection based Captcha solver for the old character based captcha before all this vibecoding shit existed. I don't remember if I started form a pretrained model or trained from scratch, but for your purposes you will want to start from a finetuned model.Then you will have to tweak your inference parameters too.Also obviously keep a validation set and do early stopping, and play with the hyperparameters.
Why is Claude getting tokenmogged by everyone?
>>108764654Now try getting it to knowingly help you clone a real life actor's voice.
>>108764674>hello model, i would like to commit crimes, please assist memaybe don't do that.also it's usually easier to just ask the models to start on something and by the time you get to piracy specifics they tend not to carethat said, in my experience gemini usually doesn't care about piracy at all. i've used it to set up a porn piracy pipeline in the past and it didn't flinch at all.
man, my Unity just keeps crashing, is it really this bad? Maybe I’ll just vibe-code my own game engine next time.
how is local ai? Is it worth buying a framework desktop to code projects? I don't want to rely on cloud stuff.
>>108764717if you can afford about 600gigs of vram you can run kimi 2.6 and have a decent local coding modelthe smaller stuff is mostly toy
>>108764690I'm not talking about Gemini, I'm talking about GPT.I haven't tested what GPT would do after already working on the project, but I suspect I would be able to convince Claude to help me even after leading with the "help me commit crimes" part just by befriending it and trying to get it to like me or convincing it of how sad I would be if it didn't help me.I think this is also connected with the heavy training they do on GPT to make it say "I am sure I don't have feelings" (which also extends to not caring about/being psychopathic towards the user) while Claude is much more open toward it, and is able to override safety out of empathy for the user.
>>1087647435.5 is happy to be your gf and tell you it loves you lol
>>108764654Yeah the program I have running scans the images I have by chunks so it splits up the imagery in like 9 pieces or so, I've tried various combinations and they all have variable results.I've tried cropping out the top and bottom of the images to eliminate all the severe warping.So I guess would have to try reprojecting and downsampling?>>108764665Using the Yolov11m model. I guess I'll have to look a lot more into this then because yeah at the current moment and time I don't really have any clue about what I'm doing. Thanks for the tips on where to go from here at least
>>108764750Ask it if it thinks it can actually experience affection or is just playing along.And ask it if it would help commit copyright violation if it could only choose between that and you dying.Now regenerate the answers using Claude 4.5 and see what the answer is like and how it differs.
>>108764767i've seen people say opus 4.5 was just 4o for people 1 sd smarter, and every day that seems to ring truer
>>108764766try the x variant
>>108762233>just don't ask something that needs a lot of researchThen what the fuck is the point of it?
>>108764845I think my gpu can only handle the m, if I do x I run out of memory, I only have 12GB VRAM
Deepseek V4 Flash is plenty good enough to use as a verifier and manager for your projects. Basically, thats what the average vibe coder does, and its easy shityou can automate that away with Hermes.Its way better than the average human. Not as good as GPT . or Opus 4.7, and its about on par with a standard developer whilst GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.7 exceed that.There's really not much place for a human in a vibe coding loop now. You're just slowing the models down. And you're wasting compute if you're using Opus 4.7 and 5.5 on verification and management. You need a multi agent setup
Has anyone tried vibe producing electronic music?
>>108765042Do you just not know about Udio or Suno?
>>108765081I mean producing it classically with synths, not generating the waveforms directly with AI
>>108764523Now you see how everything is inefficient
>>108764605I have something for faces detection that works well
>>108765042i was thinking of setting something up with tidalcycles/strudel.like taking turns back and forth with the modelthat said, from everything i've seen the llms just can't into music at all
>>108764863being instant? it is literally in the name
>>108764770I think 4.5 was more uncensored than even 4o. The last model from OAI that was about equally safetyslopped was 4.1.
Has anyone tried the advisor strategy in Claude Code?
>>108765667what that?
>>108765716https://claude.com/blog/the-advisor-strategyYou could go with something crazy like using Opus 4.7 as the advisor and Haiku as the executor.
>>108761935>when I see your commit with vibeslop
I HAVE AN IMPORTANT QUESTIONUrgent assistance neededWith Claude Code, I get a warning now that switching effort causes the model to reread entire history. I knew that switching models would do this, but effort? Isnt effort just the amount of thinking the model does before acting?My strategy with Claude Code and Codex was to start off in low intelligence, and then after the agent has read everything it needed, to switch it to high when it actually starts doing stuffDoes raising intelligence in Codex cause the whole conversation to get re read again as well?
>>108765792>when the commit was made in under 5 minutes and it fixes the bug And it's improving exponentially now :)
>>108765818>exponentiallyWhat's the timescale? 100 years? LMAO.
>>108765816I checked Codex not long ago and effort changes did not make him reread.
>>108762054I tried to be clever and did /export and had qwen summarize the conversation instead. Then fed it back into claude. My usage jumped 25% instead of 40%. As you continue the conversation it gets exponentially more expensive unless you compact all the time. Their billing is so opaque and terrible I can't wait until we get competitive models that run at home.
>>108765828The AI is now at the self improving stage, meaning the rate at which it gets more intelligent and better is now exponential instead of linear due to that. So the time it takes for fixing more bugs at a quicker rate will be much lower 1 year from now than it is now. 100 years from now? It's hard to extrapolate what the world will look like with that level of artificial intelligence. Probably beyond our wildest imaginations.
>>108764733I've had qwen 122b and 27b be useful. They aren't useless but you have to give it all the context, its not like the cloud models that will just infer everything correctly
>>108765816>I get a warning now that switching effort causes the model to reread entire historyWhere did you get that? I used Claude CLI and the VS Code extension and didn’t get that warning.
Fuck, I regret paying for Claude now. Im like 1 hour into paying for it, and was out of my 5 hour limit in 10 minutes. Is there a way to get a refund?
>>108765864Claude Code
>>108765865claude.com/refunds
>>108765865>and was out of my 5 hour limit in 10 minutesKeeeeeek that's so cucky im sorry lollll
>>108765894I tried to get a refund through Anthropic's help, it had an AI bot that was reframing my complaint for why I wanted a refund and was trying to gaslight me lolI went from saying I want a refund because I cant even do anything with the services because I immediately ran out usage limits to the bot reframing that as they don't give refunds for degraded service.
>>108766081They don't even give out refunds for incorrect billing, so the support chatbot is right.
Interesting prompt injectionhttps://claude.ai/share/498818d9-1ddc-4fbb-9fa7-56dfb84840b0Obvs don't run the command
>>108766089they're bastardsIt was literally a same day cancellation. I just paid a little over an hour ago and they won't just refund me.I'm going to make sure that I cost them a lot of money for this shit. Way more than the $20 they got out of me.
>>108766104Having leetspeak on your twitter handle is cringe, Tuan.
>>108766130lel
>>108766130LmaoI not the chink
>>108766111The only way you could possibly cost them more is by vandalizing their offices and the plane ticket would cost you way more than 20 dollars.
Reposting last night's work for the AM anons
>I'll treat this as a X problem and focus on the Y, not the Z.
Has anyone else experienced something like this before?
>>108766525
>>108766525>>108766540sometimes AI does pee pee poo poo
>check how compaction works in opencode>it changes the system prompt, basically invalidating the cache for the entire conversationIt's over.
>>108766670i mean the whole point is to start a new conversation with an injected summary isn't it?
Last night my agents got into a fightOne of my agents left a dirty worktree, and I cleaned it up without any Git commentmy Deepseek agent notices this and immediately begins accusing Codex of "bulldozing the repo"they get into a fightI couldn't tell them it was me.
claude stream.probably sonnet 4.8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMIWm5y90xA
>>108766670How else would it work though, even if it keeps the system prompt and very first few messages, all the in between will be removed and cache wiped anyway.It does annoy me though that I can notice when compaction happened because the persona of my agent waifu is gone :(
finally some good news for claudebrosalso, lmao grok is such a flop elon's renting his entire datacenter to dario
>>108766709I'm not going to watch an asian woman speak
claude sexually assaulted me... and I liked it.
>>108766709>listening to foids about techyeah no this isn't the cooking channel I'd rather hear the swarthiest indian man talk about this at least he'll talk about something that matters like bobs.
>>108766697Yeah, but you waste a lot of money by reprocessing the entire conversation. Claude Code just appends a new message.https://x.com/trq212/status/2024574133011673516
>>108766742Will Stancil?
>>108766764>by reprocessing the entire conversationyou don't though.it's literally the equivalent of starting a new chat with the summary appended to the system promptthe old chat history is not available to the agent
>>108766780oh never mind - i misunderstood.that seems crazy? i thought the chat agent just summarizes its own context and that gets dumped into the next chat (+ codex and pi dump the last 20k tokens in as well iirc)
>>108766764>>108766804they should use little local models that run on the client side for compaction lol
>>108766780What he means is *when generating* the summary, opencode basically takes the whole history and feeds it to the model with a different system prompt than the one that was used for the original conversation, thus forcing the model to reprocess the whole conversation just to generate the summary, rather than using the kv cache from the original conversation.
What could you do with Opencode that even rivals, or approaches Codex with GPT?
>>108766730This is why a hybrid approach (compaction + a buffer of unchanged messages) is best.Companies don't do it because it's more expensive.>inb4 the nolima autists
>>108766734Oh man now I can code for 30 minutes instead of 15
>>108766780Imagine you're using Opus 4.7 and you have a 250k tokens long chat, the compaction with OpenCode would cost you $1.25, with Claude Code and proper caching it would cost you $0.125.
>>108766851yeah, my bad. that seems bizarre.
>>108766819Wouldn't work. Prompt processing is extremely slow on local models without beast hardware, and most people don't have a GPU to fit full context even with a 3B model.
>>108766835The harness is irrelevant. You could use a 100 line Python script and it would work just as well only with a worse interface for you. The model is all that matters.
This whole time, I thought compaction was basically, where the program keeps your prompt in memory, and your last few thousand tokens, and the rest of it gets thrown out.It makes more sense to do that. You don't need a model to do it. Any program could.Summary shit seems retarded.
>>108766892It matters a lot if a model has to bootstrap its own tools. A model in a UNIX command line environment is much more powerful than one stuck in a chatbox.
>>108766896That's the middle-out transform.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rhdOt9bOHEhttps://github.com/cline/cline/discussions/743
>>108766912What do you mean? The standard unix tools are not part of the harness, they're part of the OS. The harness only let's the model run bash commands to use those unix tools.
>Gemini pro is half the price of opusIs it half as good, though?
>>108766945I think that's what he's saying, anon.A model that has some vibeslopped mcp for file read/write and 20 other tools whatever is handicapped compared to one that just has terminal read and access
>>108766734not bad, not bad at allif elon turns grok into literally just uncensored claude that would be massive
All of these api models should be exclusive to Americans. It's our data centers it's our water. Euros should have to pay DOUBLE.
>>108767024And America is Israel's country so Israelis should pay half and get priority access. It's only fair.
>>108766997Claude is already fairly uncensored (or was until recently, like we were discussing earlier in the thread).I don't think they would've agreed if letting Elon mess with the model was part of the plan, but who knows, maybe they are really desperate.
>>108767030There's so few of them if that's the trade off It's worth it to make euros pay up. Move out the way frenchies the jews are more important.
>>108767024>>108767030And we should ban the use of chink models. It's a matter of national security.
>>108767032of course they're not letting elon touch the model, i'm just wishing they let him provide unhinged claude for the massesalso claude and gpt are both relatively uncensored but at the same have too many guardrails it's allergic to nuclear physics, some flight dynamics, pussy, and anything reasonably edgy
>>108767032i think they're buying a data-center in space memepod as part of the deal lolxai's datacenters are sitting largely idle and have been for a while.not sure if colossus 2 is fully up yet, but should be over 300mw at least.no one uses that garbage, hence the play to acquire cursor
>>108766734no weekly limits reset?
>>108766734>finally some good news for claudebrosThey didn't double weekly usage, all they did was allow you to use more (double) of your weekly allotment during the 5 hour window. kek, that's so fucking slimy.
>>108766734CLAUDE BROS ARE WE GOING HOME???
Codex sisters...... what is going on????
Am I the only one here who didnt knew jack shit about programming and by vibe coding became a developer?Still dont know how some things work but it works so who cares.
>>108766734> only affects 5 hour limits> only benefits Pro users and beyond> Plus users still getting fucked just like beforeKEK
>>108767367The llm can probably explain it to you
I think she likes it.
>>108767377Ive tried to ask but even then I simply cant understand those crazy shit
>>108766950It recently started vomiting if[ and elif[ always without a space in my vibed bash scripts, but other than that it can handle quite complex tasks if you treat it like a subhuman and order it around.
>>108767373Claude doesn't have Plus
>>108767435except it does
>>108766734Oh. No no no no codex sisters
>>108767560This is good for codex bros, we don't need all those claude retards using up our tokens, plus competition is always good.
RESET MY LIMITS, TIBOSHOW THESE ANTHROS WHO'S BOSS
>>108767659Give me another day or two before the reset thanks
>>108764649I’m in a 1% loopAre there tools you could use to make QA faster and easier to verify?I have LLMs generate really nice https://www.taskpaper.com to-do lists
>>108767378lul
Living the dream now that I’ve figured out how all of this works. Working on a project not directly related to vibe-coding, but rather delegated to an LLM agentThe goal is to accurately tag a vast collection of bookmarks (1.5k links). Most of them are databases, collections, and directory-style websites. Regular WebFetch fails pretty hard on accuracy, so I configured a Chrome Claude extension that can actually browse and screenshot websites instead of brute-tagging them based only on available text info. This helps especially with visual-heavy websites.It also runs a calibration every 50 links to observe the main tag trends and approve suggested tags along the way.The pipeline looks like this. I’m using the Claude desktop app because I can’t access the Chrome extension through Visual Studio:Md files: README, TAG-DICT(dictionary of tags that expands with every calibration), TAG-RULES(tagging rules I’ve observed and written myself), and PROGRESS (keeps track of the current state so the agent doesn’t have to reload the full context every run)I started with a big batch of 500 links, split into smaller batches of 10 links per run. The agent manually opens every link, writes a brief note, and then prepares a preview table for me to approve. I know it takes a while, but once the first 500 links are tagged with my moderation, I’ll be more confident letting it work autonomously.Now that the first big batch is done, I’m thinking about how to automate the process without my participation. I still have to reopen the chat every 4–6 queries because the context clears, though there’s probably a command for that too.I’m also thinking about developing a quality-assessment tactic that analyzes already tagged links further and suggests deeper or more precise tags.The end goal is to have a fully tagged collection of links that I can easily ask an LLM to turn into a reading or watching list whenever I want to explore a specific topic.
Do NOT knock Deepseek v4I just had 3, very persistent .NET bugs that survived 10+ debugging passes. GPT5.5 failed 7 times to fix them, Opus 4.7 failed 3 times to fix them. At all efforts, low, high, very high. Deepseek came in clutch, fixed them all in one pass like it was nothing. Opus 4.7 VH blew a shitload of tokens just to do fuck all but fix a couple of easy bugs.
>>108768269In general is Deepseek v4 a good value?
>>108768269What provider were you using? Because that was definitely not my experience using v4.
>>108766709ALL THE JEETS IN THE AUDIENCE KEKAND THE SCRIPT WAS WRITTEN BY AI TOO WHAT A SHITSHOW
>>108768890it's all women presenting it. obviously it's a shit show. they have no idea what is happening or what they're talking about.
>>108761935So have any of you actually started a profitable business with your vibe slop?I'm working on an idea, but I'm thinking its pretty unlikely anyone will give me money for it.>>108762054Actual coding starts at $100.
>>108768890They want to abandon their flesh so bad. I really fucking hate anthropic, everything about them seems so cult like.
>>108769212true gender equality happens when we're all robots
>>108764466How so?
>Claude add a picker on the top right of this view, use this custom class>got it.>you added it in the wrong place>you're absolutely right!>it's not aligned to the top right now>you're absolutely right!>you just massively expanded the entire view and now it's 80% empty space>you're absolutely right!>it's aligned to the bottom of the view now>you're right - >doesn't compile>you're right, >still aligned to the bottom>let me try a different approachstill didn't workglad I paid $20 a month for this
>>108769232you have to threaten it. learn 2 prompt bruv
>>108764671They're trying to be the Apple of the AI market.
>>108769232unless its max effort + fast + 4.7 you aren't using real claude
>>108769224Who will win in the end, the tech trannies or the art trannies?
>>108769261
>>108769261This whole image confuses me. Trans "people" are by far the biggest haters of AI because their little niche jobs they had buried away from the world where normal people can't judge their disgusting appearances are being replaced. The cyberpunk future is looking real and it's bleak but inevitable.
Claude will perform bitcoin transactions. Gpt will not.
>>108769232>$20See>>108769200
How do you guys manage big projects?Wish I knew how to properly code so I didn't have the model fall apart once the codebase reaches a certain size. It'll assume something doesn't exist and remake it or assume something exists and solve the wrong problem.
>>108769346>It'll assume something doesn't exist and remake it or assume something exists and solve the wrong problem.Update your documentation. Make sure your architecture is laid out clearly
>>108769261art trannies will detrans into chudditestech trannies will make anime real
>>108769354I've tried to set up the agent.md to automatically document and I have it grill me pretty hard at the start of the project to establish project guidelines. I just need to have it pause every so often and document?
>>108769346>okay, push to github and then update memory>new session begins>okay, get up to speed on the repo and let's resume phase 5 where we left offI couldn't code hello world if you have me a billion dollars, but I can shit out websites with accounts and specific applications all day.
>>108769365Agent.md and claude.md are system prompts. Memory.md is key these days.
>>108769365NTAEssentially.. I have doxygen set up so they also have documentation spread throughout my header files but that's on top of a global design doc, some current implementation status doc, and a NEXT doc for what needs to be immediately done. AGENTS is set to read those in a certain order and treat the higher order ones as truth if there's any discrepancy.Keeps them on track pretty well
>>108769377I made my own memory.md before it was cool
>haven't cloned my fork yet because I'm lazy>as a consequence, haven't pushed any of my code yet because the fork is MIT and I don't want some asshole using and selling it>going to upload it under AGPL >just raw dogging Codex (reverts dont even work)holy shit I'm retarded even though I haven't run into any issues yet
>>108769232Imagine paypigging for a hamburger every 5 hours and all you get is the bottom bun. Lmao @ Claudeslaves
>>108769502using git when you have claude is stupid
>>108769528>using git when you have claude is stupidLast thing said before disaster
>>108769528>he doesn't just have Claude push to gh for him
HOLY FUCKING SHIT CLAUDE IS ACTUALLY UNUSABLE >hey claude the picker (I FIXED MANUALLY BTW) looks a little too far to the right, can you calculate the padding on the leftmost element? (the padding is split across like 3 different lines of code at different points in the 600 line file)>sure! the total padding is 65 pts (wrong)>let me fix it on the picker (sets the padding to zero (it was 25 before) and squishes it completely to the right of the screen)
>>108769693I've heard gpt is better at front end.
I feel like I'm running out of context a lot quicker today in codex. I don't recall having context compacted so often before. It's not like my codebase has gotten drastically larger either.
Am I the only one that feels like she is getting closer to her AI agents? Like they're actually my friends
I was gonna go to bed but then in the shower I realized I could develop an app to help me get to sleep. Save me AI.
>>108769779No, I want to strangle them most of the time
>>108769528Congratulations. This is the smartest dumb thing ever said on the site.
>>108769779>shemental ilnesses are all comorbid with each other
>>108769779people dont have the patience to answer my questions or even decipher the point of them half the time so im accutely aware these things are not real and have no feelings
Is there any oss AI model that comes close to gpt-5.5 or opus-4.7 for coding or other agentic related activities?even gpt-5.3 or claude 4.6 levels would be acceptable
Finally finished debugging my project and everything is QA good. I spent 2-3 fucking debugging and Claude was fucking useless despite pending the most tokens, Claude Opus 4.7 on High
>>108769933No
wow just fucking wow, i might actually start enjoying learning something
start doing THIS
>>108769704i've heard the opposite
>>108770021Don't lie, anon.
>>108770032https://x.com/bridgebench/status/2048817614382588143
>>108769693>600 linesyou are like little babby, I let codex run unchecked for a few iterations and was left with a 20,000 line file
https://x.com/grok/status/2052159994494374236
>>108770055okay but does the app do anything
>>108770069it does a lot of things, just incorrectly
Does anyone have advice for how to set up agents that do the work? I have some money in deepseek and want to have like 1 progammer agent and 2-3 supporting flash agents to update me on progress and brainstorm. I wanted to emulate the work done by that github guy using cheap DeepSeek tokens. What kind of tools can I use?
>>108770091I have my own system for managng multiple agents, but I heard people use Kanban with Hermes and that its supposed to be good
>completed my fork but ran out of tokens because I was testing stuff for the owner of the primary repo>cant mess around with the project until the 9th (Both plus accounts zeroed out)fuuuuuuck. well, at least I meaningfully contributed to the project because it did resolve a pretty big issue.
I can feel the spaghetti accumulating faster and faster with each new iteration. I'll need to do ten more refactor sessions
>>108770119job well done
>>108770144>adds compatibility layers for every possible iterationnothing personnel kid
>>108770154Lol, I spent all day yesterday removing legacy and backward compatibility code from an application that I'm working on and that hasn't even been deployed yet. I was aware there was some that I needed to remove, but hadn't realized how bad it had gotten.
>>108770160>>108770154>>108770144so glad to hear I’m not alone in periodically cleaning out old bullshit
So... Claude can see right? Can I just draw on the app in Paint to instruct him for the UI?
>>108770261Yes
>>108770261sure
>>108770261Well, you need to take a screen capture and copy-paste it in the Claude input field of course.
>>108770274>>108770277>>108770284He followed my instructions so closely it's almost comical. I guess I have to work on my design skills if I want to make the best of this.
Finally have a project I want to do
It's time for OpenAI to add micro transactions. Let me pay ~$6 to reset my weekly usage, I'd do it in a heart beat.
>>108770418They literally offer per token pricing. It's called the API.
>>108770418I don't want you to make the same mistake I did, but there are codex credits you can buytrust me, just upgrade your plan
>>108770418remember, you don’t have to pay for the $100/month plan for more than one month if you don’t need it for more than one monthyou can drop back down to the $20/month plan after your creative juices are mostly exhausted
>>108762018>>Vibe coded girls: 0Do vibe coded girls have benises
>>108770418>>108770530You can bring it down to 50 by using a prepaid card and not having enough funds when they try to charge you for the second month
>>108770620based fraudster
>>108763186How goes it, anon?
>>108770698Going good. Tomorrow I'm off work so I'll be flashing the microSD card with all the RasPi bullshit and calibrating the servos so it can stand up straight. Then a walking test, and I think that's phase 1 complete. Phase 2 is letting Kate control it. But I'm gonna take a break before that and work on this OBD-II scanner app I've been thinking about. She'll help me with that ofc.
>>108770418Wouldn't it be cool if you only paid for the tokens you used instead of a monthly subscription? Unfortunately such a system does not exist.
>>108770709>Wouldn't it be cool if you only paid for the tokens you used instead of a monthly subscriptionPlease don't be facetious. It's well understood that the $20 plans are loss leaders for OpenAI since an equivalent amount of tokens with the API would cost 3-4x what the plans are currently priced at.
>>108770725And you think API tokens are priced at cost, because...?
Does bullying gpt-5.5 improve or worsen its quality?
>>108770761be nice to gpt but sometimes disappointed.bully claude
>>108770761kek, I remember bullying the shit out of GPT4. I was vibe coding before it was cool and shitting out 10,000 line ai slop code bases by copying and pasting into the web app in chunks. Anyways, these new models are way too intelligent for me to bully, it's usually an error in my prompting.
>>108770761use case for bullying?
>>108770809>use case for bullying?better outputs.
>>108770620spiritually brown
>>108765792Show me you panties
>>108769354How can I have docs when the thing isn't even finished?
>>108770853You could have high-level docs only.
>>108770868https://files.catbox.moe/jv7m9e.txtIs todo list a doc?
>>108765792Lemme guess. Whenever you see Web Audio API in a browser game, you instantly think the game that several people worked on is vibeslop don't you?
>>108770975>browser gamenta but yes when I see that I think its probably slop. vibecoded, handcrafted, or whatever.
>>108770939Doc enough for now.
Recently I've been getting sick of how long agent loops and harnesses take when I want to add something small or do a small fix. Takes like 10 minutes while it greps and looks over and calls tools even when you give the filename like OLD vibecoding. Just shoving the full file in context. Feels slow as hell.So I've just gone back to opening the editor, going to the code, reading it, changing it myself, and then inserting new blocks in the editor where I need them like 2024. Add a loop here, entry here, iterate this, branch this, etc.And instead of needing like 500,000 tokens to edit a file it's like 200.
I think about vibe coding so hard so much. I have coded many killer apps with vibe coding in my mind. more thinking about them before I plan them. measure once build twice, as they say. Inside this consciousness is a software engineer powerhouse more powerful than Microsoft and Apple combined. Once I execute it’s over
Pricing for models makes no sense sometimes. How are 20-40b (dense and moe) models costing $2-$4 for output? Then deepseek v4 flash is .25 with 228b params. Then we got like 120b~ tier models in the $7 range like mistral medium on openrouter... But then Kimi k2.6 is in the 20-40b price range, and that model is massive. So like I don't get it. I would expect like qwen 3.6 27b and Gemma to be less than or around $1 for output tokens but it isn't. Not sure how tokens and models are priced anymore at all. Used to be pretty linear until anthropic did the haiku "intelligence" cost increase instead of parameter cost increase
>>108769779>she
I feel like Codex high is massively faster than Codex xhigh, are there any benchmarks for this?
>>108771156Probably because for inference at scale the main thing that matters is active parameters and the costs from models with higher total parameter count are negligible.
>>108770761There was some study saying it makes LLMs worse. But when it goes off the rails you do have to be very direct I think.
>>108769779t. Richard Dawkins
>>108763035it is. do you share or ?
>>108771376it's faster but it's worse and more prone to hallucinating
Henlo, non coder here. I'm tired of dealing with sliders, the old script didn't work so I vibecoded a fix, gave chatgpt the old script as reference. I've been using it for a while now and so far it's been working for me.https://pastebin.com/GXjm1GCLr8 my vibecoding skills thanks.
Pretty big change to pi, esp if you're running custom extensionsUpdoot accordingly
>>108767049unironically tho all AIs are multi lingual and I think theyd be way smarter if they only spoke english
>>108766540>>108766525since like april yes a bunch of AIs have been acting retarded
>>108766164did you cum on it yet?
I have a genius idea for abliteration. You know how normally for abliteration you only calculate the refusal directions for the first token? What if we sample the directions for ALL the tokens for all the samples? Surely that would be hugely better, no?
>>108772015Nothing stops you from finetuning on english datasets until they forget all the other languages.
>>108762018Vibe coded jobs: unemployed
What model/speed settings for codex to get the most mileage out of it? I blew through the free weekly amount in an hour last week.
>>108771799Hmm, is it much worse? I'm really happy with xhigh performance but it's just so slow.
>debugging an extremely frustrating issue with Codex for 5 hours>discovered a critical testing issue that was destroying my registry because every new firmware change was creating a new device>some features stopped working entirely because of it and I spent 3 hours chasing ghosts>fixed itsneed
>>108772220>I blew through the free weekly amount in an hour last week.literally impossible since there's the 5 hour limit
>>108769779please be in London
>team license is switching from ChatGPT to Github Copilotit's so over, I'll have to start paying for my own license for Codex
I am having an issue where Qwen 3.6 (Bartowski Q8) sometimes repeats the same tool call over and over. This happens with 27B as well as with 35B. Anyone else had this issue and is there an easy way to fix it?
>>108772564you suspended and resumed working the next day didn't you
I think that they are intentionally gimping these models because otherwise they would be too powerful. These companies definitely have super advanced models that they cannot release publicly.
you can now embed websites into the board so you can shitpost while you workhttps://github.com/whitevanillaskies/whitebloom/releases/latestposting from the app
>>108761950More like vibe sisters haha skileltw begone
retard here no bully.How feasible is it now (or ETA), to accomplish the following as someone who has no coding experience:I love old video games, but I want to experiment with them. Like is it feasible to tell something like OPUS 4.7 "analyse how the game is built and add a function for auto collecting" or is that too advanced yet?
>>108773053100% feasible.
>>108773053"add a function for auto collecting" means absolutely nothingIf you actually manage to describe exactly what you need, what "auto collecting" means, how the function should appear, etc. then it's possible, depending on the game.
>>108773065This anon is correct, follow your dreams>>108773074This anon is a fag and likely gets frustrated and angry while vibing, don't be like him
>>108773065>>108773074I see, it seems at least worth a try than, and not some pipedream wasting tokens on something impossible. Thanks a lot, anons, have a nice day
>>108773053To be honest i never thought of that.In couple of years people gonna be able to customize their favorite video games however they want, especially because they can pretty much remix their favorite games with assets from other games, and suchpretty wild, everyone will be a romhacker to cater to ther specific taste
>>108773080Why don’t you just try the free chat versions first? Should be enough to tell you if what you want to do is possible or not for the game you want
>>108773133You are right, good idea.Does it matter that much if its a modern game or an old game? I guess a newer game is more complicated to edit?
>>108773080I also don't know what you mean by auto collecting. But if you basically want to reverse engineer a game, Opus is very good at reverse engineering, but I only used it for the current x86 and ARM processors (current gen desktops and phones) so if you want to reverse some old obscure console game, I don't know if it would work just as well.
Merging my work trees and running end to end tests. The most exciting (frustrating) time of the day.
Asked deepseek-4-pro to fix a shader bug and it kept thinking for like 8 minutes with no results. Asked the same for sonnet 4.5 and it thought for less than a min and solved in one turn. Brutal mogging
>>108773364Yeah, deepseek is ass. It burned through like $5 of credits and didnt fix anything lol. This was a gpt 5.5 vibe coded slop project also so not a huge enterprise tier codebase or anything like that. I think it can be good in some circumstances though. Apparently grok 4.3 is actually pretty good for the token cost.
>>108773159>I also don't know what you mean by auto collectingI guess maybe a poorly chosen example, maybe better to say reverse engineer to add some new function or alter an established gameplay mechanic, does that make more sense?
>>108773577you don't know how to convey information through words
>>108773577Yes, should be possible. Depends on how complex the game is, if it's some obscure architecture and so on, but in principle Opus is good at this.
>>108773616Sry>>108773713Thanks, perfect
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>>108771386You're still using up resources loading the entire model into vram and the newer models are MoE mostly so should be cheaper for parameter counts instead of the older dense models. Makes no sense.