Which family member is it you want to see naked, OP?

>>108766428
I'm almost 30. If I had a family member I wanted to se naked, I would have tried to figure that out 10 years ago

>my girlfriend
>the house
What do you mean "the house"? Whose house is it and why does your girlfriend get to kick you out? Why are you cohabiting with a woman you aren't married to? Why do you expect loyalty from a woman you aren't even married to?

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>>108766410
trust is already eroded because of your insecurity
relationship ruined
people like you suck

>>108766410
I hate to be the one to break it to you OP, but if you feel like something is going on, don't feel like you can actually ask/talk about it and feel the need to resort to childish shit like setting up spy cameras you already have your answer. This is either a fetish larp or you have no life experience. If this is by chance real you already have all the signs that its time to end it. Regardless you're on the wrong board. Sage goes in all fields.

>>108766410
If you think she's cheating on you, then break up with her and kick her out of the house.

If you REALLY want to know: Hire a Private Investigator to get the photos in HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpk3C3B68Ys

I mean, you can get a pinhole camera but that requires her being out of the house for you to install it and figuring out power (PoE/etc.) for it AND it not being completely obvious. Whereas a PI will be outside the door in a car/etc.

Shit, if you want to skip the PI middleman: (YOU) stay in a car that isn't yours, low and camera phone them.

>>108766563
We're renting it. She isn't kicking me out, she's asked me for the space and I agreed to it. I don't believe in marriage as being anything other than a way for the government to infringe on my privacy and to further control my life. And I don't think you have to be married to be loyal - in-fact I think you're an idiot if you think a little gold ring is the difference between a loyal person and a disloyal one.

>>108766698
Trust is eroded for sure, and yes my insecurity is part of the problem, but so is her suddenly doing things that are abnormal and suspicious. Why doesn't she want to tell me why she wants the house free to herself? Why does she even want it to her self to begin with - I'm good friends with all of her friends and family. We don't have any occasions or anniversaries coming up that she could be planning for. All of a sudden she's constantly asking me when I'll be home, but not keen to spend time with me when I am home. She's making sure I don't get a peek at her phone when we're sat together. She seems more distant and cold towards me, less responsive to advances.

>>108766563
>Why do you expect loyalty from a woman you aren't even married to?
What kind of cuck mindset is this? If the woman isn't loyal before marriage she's not going to be loyal after.

>>108766410
Stop larping, just leave her. You don't have any obligations and you don't need proof.

>>108766763
>All of a sudden she's constantly asking me when I'll be home, but not keen to spend time with me when I am home. [...] She seems more distant and cold towards me, less responsive to advances.
Then you have your answer. She has found new dick. Kick her out of the house or you move out. It's over.

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>>108766761
I appreciate the advice, but I need the proof for my own sanity. I probably will break it off with her, but part of me needs to know. Maybe that makes me weird idk.

I want the proof so i can confront her, cut her out of my life, and move on. Without it, I'll always be second guessing myself and wondering if it was all just some extravagant sequence of coincidences

just rent a car and drive it back to your house, fucking hell, you are not some james bond spy

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>>108766807
It doesn't make you weird. But unless you have something besides the renters agreement you REALLY don't need to know. You've already said she's changed around you, is asking about your schedule etc.

Lie to her: Say you'll be back at 8PM and show up at 6PM (when you leave for "work") and see if she's really cheating on you by coming in through the door unannounced (be prepared for a fight/confrontation) or hire a PI for proof (that costs money), but unless you have any sort of LEGAL obligation, you REALLY don't need to know. If the trust isn't there, walk out.

>>108766807
>I need the proof for my own sanity.
Nothing about it is sane.

Either you're ok with the relationship the way it is, or you're not. She doesn't owe you anything and you don't owe her anything. Spying on people is often times just straight up illegal. What you're suggesting is almost certainly illegal.

>>108766850
I suppose the only thing stopping me from having done this already is the part of me that knows I'm somewhat fucked up. As in, I have no explicit proof or evidence she's cheating, I'm just very suspicious. If it's actually all ok, then maybe I just need to go to a shrink and get my trust issues sorted out. I want to believe she isn't cheating on me and that we still have a future together, even if that means I need to fix my self.

>>108766828
Personally I don't really see how renting a car to surveil my own house is any different than using a camera to do the same thing, with the one exception of me not having to sit in a car outside my house for hours if I used a camera instead.

>>108766890
Obviously I'm not ok with it, but I'd rather save it if it can be saved. If I confront her about cheating and she isn't, that's the relationship over for sure. I figure this way, if it is all weird coincidences, then I can work on my problems with a shrink or whatever

>>108766698
found the cheating whore

>>108766788
what this anon said.
OP, just leave, you don't owe her an explanation. Once you and your stuff are safe, block her everywhere and get an STD test done.

>>108766927
Bruh: >>108766788

>>108766947
Thanks for reassuring me, but I'm not doing it for her. I love her, and I really want my suspicions to be wrong. If there's a chance, any chance at all that it's all in my head, I want to take it. But I don't want to end up as that idiot who gets taken for a ride, providing and supporting her while she fucks around.

>I love her, and I really want my suspicions to be wrong
...so you're going to film her without her knowledge or consent?

If you were to look at the grainy, low-res Chinesium videos of your girlfriend spraying perfume and lighting a joss stick, would you reflect on why you thought she was cheating on you? Would you ask her about it?

>>108766970
>If there's a chance, any chance at all that it's all in my head,
Oh no, you're delusional.

She's found new dick and you can't even see it because you're worried about being alone. It happens, but you need to rip the band-aid off and leave.

This is getting out of /g/ territory now, so this is pretty much the final comment from me: She's cheating, you know it, she knows it. You need to leave. You don't need proof, just walk out of there and break it.

>i love her
lmao, she probably thinks you are really dumb to keep allowing her the house alone, she's already lost respect for you, you don't even need to spy on her to confirm it, just ask for sex and wait for a dumb excuse, or deny her request, or just start a fight out of nowhere, just do something other than enabling her, people like you learn the hard way that women can''t love men

>>108766998
I know why I think she's cheating on me, the only question is whether that's because she really is, or because I don't have enough trust in the relationship.

If it's the former, I'll leave. If it's the latter, I'll go to therapy to see if that's something I can fix. And if they suggest bringing it up with her, I will.

I don't want to destroy what has until recently been the best thing that's ever happened to me just because of a bunch of weird coincidences that have raised my suspicions. I also don't want to spend hundreds on a psychiatrist only to one day inadvertently catch her in the act, and find myself without the woman I love as well as a new crippling self doubt problem

>>108766890
If they both are renting the place then what he's doing isn't spying. Its setting up security cameras in his legal abode. If she has her own bedroom or he puts it in the bathroom then it might be more of a gray area, but if they have separate bedrooms it's already over.

>>108767040
how old are you anon, you sound either really dumb or really naive, you also probably get taken advantage of by lots of people in your life

>>108767040
>I don't want to destroy what has until recently been the best thing that's ever happened to me
...but you're considering filming her, which again, best case scenario is that you capture video of her spraying perfume and lighting a joss stick. Have you thought about how long you're going to film her until you're satisfied this isn't evidence of her cheating on you?

This isn't a 'go to therapy' rant, I'm pointing out that you think she's cheating on you and you're now planning on secretly filming her. Are these the actions of the boyfriend you think you are?

>>108766410
you're going about the the wrong way
tell her it's your fantasy to watch her fuck another man
she agrees = she is out

>>108767076
The plan was to put a camera either in the hallway watching the front door, or in the front room where you can see the drive/front garden through the window. Either way shared living space for sure.

>>108767091
28. Yes I probably do get taken advantage of, not really sure what I can do about that. Naiveite is just the lack of experience, and I am not an experienced man. She's the only long-term girlfriend I've ever had >insert unskippable canon event meme here

>>108767093
If nothing untoward happens on Friday night, then I'll stop then. All the other stuff on it's own wouldn't bother me, but she's never asked for the house on it's own before, and I can't think of a good reason why she'd do that if not because she's worried what I'd find if I was there.

These are the actions, I believe, of a person who would rather not end a relationship if the problem is their own and entirely their own.

>>108767040
Dude stop talking about psychiatry. It's perfectly normal to get suspicious at times. Women look through men's phones all the time and do the same shit. It's part of life. You're not being schizo, your GF is being very suspicious.

Also why would you just be like "yeah sure honey I'll leave", I'd be insanely curious and suspicious at such a request. Unless she was preparing a surprise birthday party for you she's probably doing something she doesn't want you to be around for (with no risk of you accidently seeing). I don't see why you have of leave the house for a "girls night out". You can just stay in the bedroom if she is really autistic like a 12 year old year setting up a slumber party.

>>108766410
just use a mic under the bed or something. you don't need video to tell if two people are having sex in a room.

How about a voice recorder, chap? Although the most sensible and mature thing to do would be to calmly talk to her

>>108766410
she is cheating you with your dog

>>108767135
>These are the actions, I believe, of a person who would rather not end a relationship if the problem is their own and entirely their own.
I'm taking it as given that your girlfriend doesn't take you as the kind of person who *would* film her without her consent, for obvious reasons. Still, would your girlfriend buy this justification?

>>108767141
In theory it could be something retarded like she started doing drugs, but yeah just buy a cheap camera, leave a webcam on (disable the light if you can), or have a audio recorder. If you get caught don't immediately pussy out.

Ideally you should at least ask her what she's planning on doing while you're out of the house.

>>108767141
Because, rather ironically, it's trust. I've never asked her to explain things like that in the past, because I've always trusted her to tell me why, which she always has done. The few times she's withheld that sort of information before, has been fairly obviously because she's trying to organise a surprise for me. That's partly why her omission of reason is suspicious to me.

>>108767147
If you've got any suggestions I'm all ears. That was basically the point of my original post, to get suggestions for devices

>>108767180
I don't know if she'd believe it or not, probably not. But unless she finds the device, I'll never have to justify it to her. If she does, then I'll have to walk away for sure, but most of you guys think I should just do that anyway so it doesn't seem like much of a risk

>>108767205
>unless she finds the device, I'll never have to justify it to her. If she does, then I'll have to walk away for sure
So then the outcomes are you either find incontrovertible evidence of her cheating on you for sure; or you've become the guy who films their girlfriend without their knowledge or consent, based on a gut feeling. I'm not you and I can't see into your soul or anything, but neither of these outcomes seem ideal to me compared to the options you're avoiding (decide you don't want to be in this relationship OR talk to her about your relationship)

>>108766763
>a way for the government to infringe on my privacy
Why tf are you posting to 4chan if you give a shit about this?

Check the battery life of any off brand GoPro and what's the max amount of time it can record without turning off. Leave it anywhere pointing at the porch/main door. Make sure the camera itself is hidden but the lens have a clear view. Make sure to try this scenario at least once so you won't be surprised by a shitty point of view or camera setting.

If it's too pricey or obvious do the same with a voice recorder as they are smaller and easier to pretend you were looking for it everywhere if confronted about it.

Don't listen to the anons saying you should dump her right now without any explanations. They're right all the signs are here but it's also obvious you live mostly in your head with a tendency to self torment so you're going to need this. Get check for autism when it's all said and done.

>>108767265
I think you make very logical points, and I agree with them. The problem is that there is another outcome that I see as far more appealing

I set up a camera/microphone, I prove to myself that there's nothing fishy going on, I work with a counsellor to solve my now obvious trust issues, and we live happily ever after.

The mere insinuation of cheating in a conversation could well be the death of this relationship. Right now, i don't see the need to have that conversation at all.

>>108767286
Missing part of my quote there:" ...and to further control my life."

I don't really care if the government knows that i want advice on what can legally be called a home security device, they'll be well aware of my ownership of one should I purchase one. But asking for advice on the topic on 4chan won't lead to, say, an utterly unfair split of assets in the case of a divorce, or a long and expensive and ultimately futile battle for custody if we have kids in the future, etc etc etc.

Posting to 4chan, usually, does not by extension sign me up to a long list of ways to get fucked over by a lawyer

>>108767322
Thanks for the tips. Autism all but confirmed already. No diagnosis but I'm not a moron. I'm well aware of my autistic quirks and so is everyone else in my life

>>108767205
Any bluetooth mic will work. If you have a spare phone/laptop, you can record the audio onto there in a separate room while keeping the mic in the bedroom. If you just want to monitor what's happening while you're out, you can set up a discord call and join it with your own phone and just wear an earbud around while you're out of the house. There are many ways to do this- you don't need technical knowledge.

/g/ is not Tech Support
>/g/ - Cuck Support

>>108767330
>Right now, i don't see the need to have that conversation at all.
You'll either have that conversation with your shrink, or have it with your girlfriend anyway. And let's remember, filming someone without their consent or knowledge is a crime: which makes being honest with your shrink about your circumstances impossible, which will make it difficult to honestly process your 'now obvious trust issues'.

This is why I believe this talk of seeing a shrink is a dishonest way of avoiding the conversation that you know needs to happen, and will eventually happen, one way or another.

>>108767348
Yeah man I could sense your autismo through your posts but all those dorks missed it by a mile. Don't pay a single dime for their opinion, it's shit and they proved it already. Special point to the retards pointing out it's illegal or against morality on fucking 4chins.

Back to your story: no confrontation, no bullshit as it's not your style. Get a clear proof, walk away without thinking about it twice anymore. Secure and keep the proof NO MATTER WHAT-EVER she tells you because she can and will turn the story to her advantage. If she's a cheat she's a lier too and women have a very limited playbook.

>>108766410
OP if you're not bullshitting and not about to perv on someone:
rent a car, put any camera that has an ok zoom in it (could be a phone, whatever) and park it in front of your home and record or stream it from there. you could also try and install it at your front door, in your mailbox, use a ring camera if available etc. you can reasonably expect that they won't do anything lewd outside so nobody can claim that you were trying to do revenge porn, even if something lewd happened right on your porch, it's in public and you probably have a right to record anyway. check your local laws about recording in public though.
alternatively you could also just rent a car, park it down the road and buy binoculars, try to look through a tinted window or otherwise it might be advisable to use a killflash.
if you get a recording from the guy, you can try to find out more about him through the internet. it could be some other kind of secret besides her fucking him you know.
ask the neighbors right now if they've seen anything today or tomorrow, preferably ask older people because they tend to say what they actually have seen without thinking about the consequences of it because boomers are stupid.

I would strongly advise against, trying to "catch them in the act" with a spy cam in your home, because again, depending on your jurisdiction there could be revenge porn laws which could make you a sex offender if you actually do end up recording any lewd acts and the worst place where you could be marked as a sex offender is prison.
the reason why nobody ITT is actually trying to help you with getting a recording from inside your home is because just a couple boards over on /b/ people would secretly record & post their sisters showering.

>>108766410
>she asked to have the house to herself for an evening
who paid/is paying for the house?

>>108767322
>Don't listen to the anons saying you should dump her right now without any explanations.
LOL spoken by a guy that has probably cheated on many women.

>>108767431
Filming someone without their consent is a crime, filming my own house by point of security is not. So I guess we'll just have to disagree on that point.

>>108767443
>>108767446
Thanks for the tips

>>108767447
We both pay. Our share is split equitably based on our incomes. Off the top of my head I pay 56% of the rent and she pays 44%, the same goes for household bills etc. I pay more because I earn more - my net income is 56% of the total household income, hence I pay 56% of the bills

>>108767491
Nah you are a retard that can't read for shit. Probably US time by now. OP is autistic with a tendency to self torment and second guess his choices and conversations from years ago if not pre-school memories themselves. Forever trapped in his own mind. If he dump her without proof she will get back to him saying he's a paranoid freak and ruined it all and he will eventually believe her. That plus she'll tell everybody her stupid made up story with nothing to stop her from doing so. Waiting for a proof put an end to that.

Once he get a proof he can now walk away without any explanation. It's the best scenario for OP anyway because he is not the confrontational type.

if she is cheating on you in your own home, after asking you to leave. because of that I almost want to believe that she's not doing anything because, that shit is absolutely wild. however I know how evil some people are.
it means that she absolutely has no regard for what you think and is just using you. I am normally not afraid to talk to or confront my s/o about anything, but how the fuck do you confront someone who gives zero fucks anyway?

like that one anon said, I wouldn't even tell her anything if I definitely proved that she cheated. I would just get the fuck out of that relationship and cut all contact.

>>108767564
>>108767491
>LOL spoken by a guy that has probably cheated on many women.

BTW, I'm: >>108766788
Gran Autismo or not: He fucking knows she's cheating on him, she knows he knows she's fucking cheating on him. There is no "autism" defense for staying with her beyond him being a broken puppydog that can't stand up for himself and LEAVE.

It's not "retarded" to say "sack up and fucking leave, bro."

>BUT WHAT IF SHE ISN'--
It doesn't fucking matter: The trust is lost. If he can't nut up and ask her outright "why are you needing me out of the house for privacy?" he shouldn't be in a relationship.

imagine passionately kissing your gf on the lips after she sucked some other guy's cock. that's OP.

>cuck gets cucked and wants to install a spycam instead of confronting the woman
I guess you wouldn't have been cucked in the first place if you had a spine.

>I don't believe in marriage as being anything other than
If you don't believe in marriage, you also cannot believe in infidelity. Either someone has pledged loyalty to you, in which case "cheating" is a violation, or they haven't, and "cheating" cannot exist.

>>108766410
Hey bro I didn't read the whole thread, and I'm pretty sure most of the retards here are just going to shit all over you for even asking these questions but let me give you a serious answer because I've been in this situation and I know how fucking tough it is. Don't let the board full of literal incels get to you.

I don't know shit about video camera recording but most MP3 players have some kind of voice record feature that can be pretty good and many of them last for a very long time on a charge, often 10 to 20 hours. You might find this to be sufficient to verify that she's cheating and a lot easier to implement since you don't have to worry about shit like a view angles. Good luck.

>>108766410
Nothing to add to existing replies but
You gotta make a thread with your findings. Unless larping ofc.

What's the point of maintaining a relationship when you can't even trust the other person to not fuck someone else in your own fucking house.
Seriously, what is the point?
You pulled this whore through your own merits, king, surely you can get another bitch marginally more loyal than that then. Spying on someone is fucking pathetic.

>>108767833
Marriage is no guarantee, besides which, you do not need to be married to be loyal. Otherwise what you're saying is that everyone cheats until they're married, and that nobody cheats afterwards.

>>108767830
People are capable of betrayal. If I go and tell her "No, I'm staying in" right now, it solves nothing. If she is cheating she'll just find another time, when I'm at work or whatever.

>>108767873
Thanks for the idea

>>108767927
Come back this weekend I guess.

>>108766410
If it becomes court case. You absolutely will need proof to survive. Dont listen to the retards here. I've been there and was idiot who did not take the evidence with me even when i had the chance and ended up losing on the court when the bitch brought me there.

>>108767976
This is a valid point, if I knew for a fact that she was cheating. But I don't yet. What if she's not? What if I'm just a paranoid fuckwit?

I'm not above questioning my own mental health here. I know I have issues. I've never thought trust was one of those issues, but maybe it is.

The question is, how can I be sure that my suspicion is valid and not just some deep inner trauma or some shit that I need to work through? It would make no sense to torpedo my own relationship just because she's done a few odd things, I've noticed for whatever reason, and now my schizo brain is schizoing out

Be a real man and just take the physical assault charge, if she really loves you she'll decline charges and bail you out. This'll buy you'm bout 3 and a half years.

>>108767993
Evidence of what? Fucking around while married is not against the marriage contract.

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>>108768004
Homie, you asked her what's up and she did not answer. It's either something good like a birthday surprise (is it soon?) or it's something bad. If she is not a puta and just wants some space but does not trust you enough to tell it clearly, the relationship is stuck. If she is, it's over.

why can't you just leave and position yourself so you can see who comes over? or just leave and come back a lot earlier than you planned? if it's just a girl's night you can come up with a million excuses to come home since it shouldn't be a big deal at all

>>108768004
Look man, I'm not going to trauma dump online, I have a therapist for that, but I also had issues very similar to yours. Actually, much worse, for I was so obsessed with it (my father was a serial cheater and my mom was obsessed in knowing everything about it).

I've had 3 long term relationships, and unfortunately the first one was broken due to cheating, the second one due to my obsession with preventing that.

If your partner really loves you they wouldn't break up over you feeling insecure, especially if you're not a sperg and ease her into it. Spying on someone is a massive breach of trust, and you haven't even considered the chance of it being an actual girls night and you just spying on random women for no reason.

I just can't imagine a relationship where both people hide this much from eachother ever going anywhere, if she's cheating, why? Do both of you only care about maintaining the status quo? Are you two just interested in living together because it's easier on the finance side? Aren't both of you better off becoming friends with benefits or some shit?

When I learned my first girlfriend was cheating on me I broke up on the spot, not only that but I kept getting harassed by her family because I didn't even try to talk it through. Cheating is a massive breach of trust and one of the few things that are unforgivable in a partner, at least to me, and I make that VERY clear early on in the relationship.

Basically, if she loves you she'll get really sad about your suspicions, and that's okay, you can turn it into yet another reason she loves you. But not talking about it or worse, spying another grown adult, is just pathetic.

>>108768078
>no hard evidence
>it's your word against hers
yjk she can bullshit her way out seeing how much of a betabuxxer OP is
do it anon, collect irrefutable evidence and slap the whore
make sure the camera points to a proof of time else
>it's my ex from before we met :DDD try again ;)

>>108767741
>imagine passionately kissing your gf on the lips after she sucked some other guy's cock.
thats my fetish, but i know it would be the death of our relationship, so i just kiss her after she sucked my cock instead.
cuck fetish is not sustainable because your partner will eventually get the ick from you acting beta, and she will leave you for the bull. there is no option where she gives you sloppy seconds every night for 40 years of marriage

>>108767981
>will never ever confront her or kick her out or change the lease or do anything but illegally spy with a pencil camera

>>108768108
you still manage to be more of a man than op who lets "his" girlfriend fuck other men in his own house (that he cant get back in unless his bull lets him)

>>108768004
>What if I'm just a paranoid fuckwit?
Installing a spy cam won't change that.

>>108766410
>my girlfriend
stopped reading there
kill yourself normgroid

I agree with people saying come home early or rent a car and watch the entrances to the house. A security cam or audio device would be better if she didn’t give you a timeframe, but you have that luxury so just wait to see who comes over when she asked you to be gone. Also please make a followup thread after you find out what she’s doing on Friday

>But you need hard evidence!!!!

For what? They aren’t married, if he sees a dude come over while he’s gone he can just break up with her and be done with it.

>>108768432
>if he sees a dude come over while he’s gone he can just break up with her and be done with it.
Really? If I saw my girlfriend fucking another guy I wouldn’t break up with her and be done with it I’d smash his damn head in

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>>108768004
why cant you simply sit outside your house in a rented car and see who comes, or literally just drive off down the street and see who enters your house, or buy Amazon Ring and install it on your door and see who comes in

>>108768491
Why would you beat the guy? It's not his fault your girl is a whore lmao.

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>>108768491
that is retarded, it's not the guys fault, all men try to smash, but its the woman who sets the boundary, its not my fault if she lies about her relationship status

that said, its OPs fault if she is cheating, she is gifting him the opportunity to find out what it is, sitting down the street is the smartest move, unless there is a back entrance

>>108768491
This is not me. Getting into a fight would be stupid. I'd be angry for sure if it turns out she is cheating, but for all I know the guy doesn't even know. Whatever. If she is cheating the plan is just to cut her out like cancer and never look back.

>>108768495
Don't own a car. Renting one is an option though and I am considering it

>>108768291
But it will let me know IF I am a paranoid fuckwit or not. Same way that guy who thought jews were tunneling under his house was a schizo according to everyone else until the found the jews tunelling under his house.

>>108768432
I will make a followup

>>108768491
>his
why him? ultimate cuck lmao

>>108768613
>This is not me
we can tell cuckboy, confrontation is just not in your nature aye?
whatever, pass the betabuxx and shut the fuck up

>>108768625
>ultimate cuck lmao
coming from the guy that would block her social media and cry in a room alone instead
it's called asserting your dominance

>>108768702
Then beat her for cheating, not the guy who has nothing to do with her cheating on you

>>108768706
>Then beat her for cheating
I can't do that my gf's family are basically my own and I'd feel like shit if I beat a weak defenceless woman. I can beat the guy with zero consequence and then break up with her

>>108768719
The guy is not the reason she would be cheating on you though.
If she'd cheat on you with him, she'd cheat on you with millions of other guys too.
The problem is clearly her

>>108766410
You don't need a camera. It's easier to just sneak down an audio recording device. Whatever they do will be audible.

She's preparing a surprise birthday party for you, don't ruin the surprise!

>>108768736
>The guy is not the reason she would be cheating on you though.
irrelevant. if a guy nuts in my girl I'm going to phyiscally stab, punch, gouge or otherwise assault him. simple as

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rent a car today for friday so you have no issues getting it book in advance,

get it in the morning, park it in a good location to see anyone going behind your house too if not using front door, hope your phone has zoom,

then leave the house sit in car, she won't be able to see far, car windshield reflects sky so hard to see through easily, wear black so you hide even more

also have headlights on, to make it even tougher to see through, or if car is parked backwards you'll have to use rear windshield

if a guy does end up going inside, follow inside 15 minutes after so you will catch them in the act


one thing of note, your gf might be tracking your location so she might know for sure where you are, she might have taken your phone and shared your location with herself via iMessage and set it to indefinite and you might not even be aware that you are sharing your location with her, if that is the case then you have to involve a friend of yours and have your friend take your phone somewhere far away, do not disable tracking she will realize what is happening


before that, you can check her phone if you know her password, and you should since you are her bf, so you can check her instagram, go to her isntagram from your phone and check if there is consistently one guy liking all her posts if her likes arent hidden


if you want to fix your relationship, then read this book, otherwise do whatever you want

>>108768625
>N-no sir, it's okay that you fucked my girlfriend, I don't want any confrontation with anybody who could realistically fight back. It's all her fault, please feel free to fuck my next girlfriend as well.
Why are you calling anybody else a cuck when you've practically got the word tattooed on your forehead?

>>108768784
but what if bitch didnt tell him, how would he know hes fucking someones bitch, you make no sense bro your rage should be targeted at the bitch who allowed it to happen, the dude was fooled same as you, only he won and you lost in the situation.

you think bro is going to date the bitch after? he is going to kick her to the curb, shes a whore and not worth anyones time, if she opened her legs to another man why would you assault the dude, he's a victim of her manipulation just like you are, you were a stepping stone for her, she found someone better, that guy shes fucking he is now realizing same thing and going to kick her just like you will

i understand with you black people low IQ rage sometimes is misdirected but stop and think

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>>108766428
fpbp lmao

>>108768790
she could also plant an airtag or airtag-like tracker as thin as credit card in his wallet or his backpack and if he is using android he wouldnt even be notified that he is being tracked

Listen buddy. Women are very "cold" creatures. They look cute and sweet but they are hiding their narcissistic ego driven pleasure/comfort maxing character under their sweet looking meatsuit. The dynamics of your relationship are fucked up. You said you are renting the apartment with her. That's not how you do things. You should rent your own apartment/house and you invite people into your life. Girls, friends, family whatever. If you don't like someone you tell them to fuck off your place. If you can't afford you own place, go live with your parents until you can save enough money to buy your own place. If you cannot save enough money to buy your own place, just live with your parents and get some hookers when you need to. Women CANNOT love and do NOT care about you. They don't have the capacity to do those things. I know it's hard to grasp but that's the reality. Soo.... Fuck these cameras, get your stuff out of the house and go to your own place.

>>108768810
>you make no sense bro
>you think bro is
shut the FUCK up you dumb zoomer nigger tiktok faggot

>>108766807
The anon you quoted said to just be in your car, park a few spots down, lay low, and see who shows up. If 5 women show up and they all just do whatever, whatever.

If a single guy shows up, you know what's up.

Done. Don't need no camera or whatever.

>>108766410
just go to her and ask her what she was doing and that you found it weird. Don't go saying that you think she's a cheating whore etc, just ask her before concluding something. But if she really told you to get out of the house and then she brought tyroon to fuck her, then you should revise your masculinity, anon.

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>>108766763
>All of a sudden she's constantly asking me when I'll be home, but not keen to spend time with me when I am home. She's making sure I don't get a peek at her phone when we're sat together. She seems more distant and cold towards me, less responsive to advances.
It's over anon, just let that ship sink. Like the anon said >>108766788 she found a new dick, you lost, it's over, there's nothing we can do.

>>108768790
Thanks for the tips. I don't think she's tracking me, she's pretty tech illiterate. Either way I see my family pretty often, it wouldn't look suspicious at all for me to leave my phone with one of my siblings while I kept watch, though then I'd need a separate camera to get any proof saved.

>>108768846
Possible but unlikely. In any case I can be sure the clothes I wear don't have any tracker attached to them that day and I don't carry a wallet with me most days. See above regarding my phone. Wherever I do 'go' on the night, I'll probably be walking so don't have to worry about a tag on my non-existant vehicle.

>>108768850
Money is the problem. Moving into my own place would be affordable, but I'd no longer be saving to eventually buy. I'd be rent trapped. Living with my parents is a non-starter. No rent sure, but I'd be paying mental rent. I was and have continued to be a far happier person since I left.

Either way I don't really see a problem with joint-renting a place. It's a very common practice. Sure I don't have total control over the property, but I didn't expect to be in this position. We had already been together for 2 years when we moved in together.

>>108768873
This is essentially plan B, if for whatever reason I can't figure out a way to keep tabs, be that by camera/microphone or by simply staking-out my own house.

>>108768926
>This is essentially plan B, if for whatever reason I can't figure out a way to keep tabs, be that by camera/microphone or by simply staking-out my own house.
Not plan B, just go talk with her, face to face, and tell her why she was cold towards you, and wanted you out for a while. Cheating or not, your relationship needs to be talked and you both should get out with a conclusion of what your future is.

Anyways, if you catch her teaching remember to update us, kek.

>>108768926
>Money is the problem. Moving into my own place would be affordable, but I'd no longer be saving to eventually buy. I'd be rent trapped. Living with my parents is a non-starter. No rent sure, but I'd be paying mental rent. I was and have continued to be a far happier person since I left.
>Either way I don't really see a problem with joint-renting a place. It's a very common practice. Sure I don't have total control over the property, but I didn't expect to be in this position. We had already been together for 2 years when we moved in together.
Have fun with the stupid drama and chaos the whore is creating then. Read what I said earlier AGAIN AND AGAIN until you grasp it. She DOESN'T love, she DOESN'T care. She is a WHORE who wants big fat cocks inside her. Stop romanticizing things. Stop this insanity before it's too late. Break up with her and get tf out of the house ASAP

>>108768926
what is the timeframe that she expects you to be out of the house for, like how long?

did you ask her why she wants you out, like try to talk to her, ask her what is wrong, what she needs

how often do you two have sex? is sex good? do you randomly come to her and perve out on her ass or tits basically doing whatever you want, or you are like platonic friends asking if she wants to have sex right now

>>108767135
>but she's never asked for the house on it's own before, and I can't think of a good reason why she'd do that if not because she's worried what I'd find if I was there.
Probably she's doing something like a spa/massage/relaxation to herself alone at home. Some women do that, they just lie alone for hours in a bathtub with candles and perfumes. Maybe she felt stressed and wanted a relief from other and (YOU). Again, just talk to her.

>>108768926
>No rent sure, but I'd be paying mental rent.
parents want you to be better, if you are open with them, talk to them, tell them everything, and you are working on your goals with their approval they wont be mentally taxing you, they were probably doing it because you were a piece of shit before

>>108769011
this is true, i have this girl i know who i am trying to fuck knew her for over a decade, and she will often choose to lock herself in her room doing bs like this instead of going out with me

Pisces are fucking weird. On the other hand, the scorpio i am banging right now often during sex burns those sticks, even though our sex isnt smelly normal pussy smell it could be putting her in the mood idk, but perfume is weird what op said


checking bed for hair that isnt yours, smelling pillows is a good method, she could have changed sheets, so take pictures of bed before and after, see if pillows are turned around and if they smell like a different dude, see if shower is wet in case they showered after sex, see if she has showered after sex


its also possible if she has an iphone to set up automation that makes her phone call you when you send a specific phrase, so without him knowing her phone could call him, but its a little technical to do that

>>108767330
>The mere insinuation of cheating in a conversation could well be the death of this relationship. Right now, i don't see the need to have that conversation at all.
Don't ask her about cheating, just that you're curious what she's doing, maybe make it like a joke if you're afraid of a serious talk. Just don't talk like you're suspicious of her cheating, you'll ruin the mood. She probably isn't, and it's all in your head.

>>108767981
>If I go and tell her "No, I'm staying in" right now, it solves nothing.
Then fucking don't.

I have literally given you three answers and you STILL won't commit to any of them:

-Hire a PI (costs money)
-Microphone under a bed as another Anon said (you won't commit to this)
-Get a car like a PI and stake out (you won't commit to this and whine about renting a car)
-FUCKING LEAVE because you know she's cheating but you autistically want proof that you're not even going to do this scene with her EVEN IF YOU GET THE PROOF: https://youtu.be/BB3QeZjf600?si=4D3KS8LpVWhXXFF6&t=1143

Unless you're going to nuke her from orbit with the proof: What good is the proof going to do for you beyond "closure" that you already know isn't going to happen for you? Skip the middleman (proof) and just LEAVE.

>>108769008
She only asked for "the evening" didn't really specify a time. I asked her when exactly and she just said she'd let me know once it got figured out

I didn't ask why because I've never asked why. Same has gone in reverse. We've never been on that basis, rather there has always been an expectation that where one of us is going or why or when etc would be shared voluntarily, and historically speaking it has been.

The last week or two has been a dry spot, but before then fairly regularly. I won't go into details but we haven't had as regular sex as some might expect because she has PCOS. The entire time we've been together it's been this way, and I knew her for some time before then and knew it was that way with her previous partner. Whatever, point is, we were having sex pretty regularly, anywhere from once or twice a week to once every other week depending on how bad the PCOS was. The sex was always good (obvious health issue aside) and I was often handsy with her. She didn't used to be but I convinced her to try it and the past 6 months or so she's copped a feel casually walking past me in the house and such.

>>108769011
This is what I hope. A spa day would be odd as she does currently have long nights in the bath and such while I'm in.

>>108769017
Don't think this is the time and place to get into it but trust me on that one, I'm not going back there unless I'm about to be homeless.

>>108769066
Chill my guy. Hire a PI, use a microphone, get a car - all potential solutions I agree. Just because I haven't decided on a course of action yet, why's that such a problem?

I want proof, and I'm weighing my options on how to get it. I don't think it's such a bad thing to be taking some time to actually consider the options rather than just pouncing on the first suggestion of some random and committing to it

>>108769066
Also, to add, the proof isn't just for closure, but for validation. How can I ever learn to trust my instincts if I never validate them?

If I leave now, without proof, I will forever wonder if I was right. Maybe I'll convince myself that I was, maybe I won't, but I'll always have the question unanswered. Then, if/when another woman tries to take me for a ride, I'll be stuck in the same stupid situation, not knowing whether to trust my gut or assume I'm actually just paranoid and insecure.

>>108768491
lmao based. but you'd probably get in trouble in this cuck system, while they'll get nothing if left.

>>108768982
I see this view about women from people that mostly experienced whores in their lives, if you live in a big city, and only know women from there and clubs/bars, sure. But don't be a doomer, there's still good women, but they're not attracted to (YOU)r personality. If you only present money, or body, you'll only get women interested in that. There's still a beautiful world, but it's outside of all the bs of the modern world.

>>108766410
Lol

>>108766410
You sound like a lost child. You have to find your balls in situations like this. Sounds probable that she's cheating. You don't have to catch her in the act directly. Easiest thing to do is leave a recording device somewhere or just surveil the house after leaving. You see a man pull into the driveway, that's grounds to leave her without making it into a direct confrontation. If you are too chickenshit to do what has been suggested already, just start cheating on her yourself. Do it openly. Make her leave you.

You have to be willing to play the villain.

>>108769088
>PCOS etc
And you left this important part. Considering that, I suppose she isn't sexually hungry to want another man to cheat with, and she's lucky that you're with her with her sexual problems and sufficient with sex only 1-2 a week at best. She probably just doing some stupid shit, women so this. Again, and again, just fucking speak with her you schizo.

>>108766428
>I'm almost 30
And you can't use google to find a simple small camera disguised as a furniture like a lamp, clock or whatever? Nahhh thats why she is cheating (most likely she actually doesn't exist and this is a bait thread)

>>108769088
She is 100% cheating on you and you are a cuck. Just move out and move on.

>>108769223
I left it out because I don't see it as relevant. It is an occasional issue for sex, but only occasionally. There were times when we were going at eachother daily if not multiple times a day. But besides that, sex is not the only reason to cheat.

Realistically I came here looking for advice on micro cameras/microphones. I didn't expect the big discussion, and I wouldn't be surprised if jannies pruned the thread for being off topic, hence I haven't exactly laid it all bare

>>108769223
+ PCOS leads to hormone instability afaik, so that might explain her weird behavior. Some women might want time alone, it isn't natural for women to be with men always, men used to be absent for commerce, war, hunt, other women, etc. That's also for animals.

I'll go sleep rn, it's beyond the middle of the night here. I hope you do not something stupid and ruin your relationship, don't listen to incels here, but also don't be naive.

>>108769254
I agree it definitely could be what's happening - but that would be a first in nearly 8 years of knowing her. I'm also not sure why she'd feel the need to hide that from me after all this time instead of just saying she's not feeling herself lately.

I have a few days to think before I actually act, even if I buy some camera now I never have to use it.

>>108769253
>It is an occasional issue for sex, but only occasionally.
And hormones, which is the second brain for animals, and occasionally, like how she started acting weird all of a sudden. I don't tell don't be specious, but also seek the right way to solve this instead of childish behavior like a camera.

>>108769269
> but that would be a first in nearly 8 years of knowing her
ok, maybe I'm wrong. You know her better than all of us, and if after a long thinking you concluded what you did conclude, then just pursue and buy any small camera with good reputation, and send it to some pickup place not your home address, then put it somewhere convenient for your needs, and see for yourself.

>>108766970
Talk to her. If she refuses to tell you once more it's time to leave.

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>>108769088
>once it got figured out
did you ask once what is figured out? seems like a normal question are you not wearing pants in this relationship, if a chick said this to me she would very fast find out

>>108766763
bruh you don't have a girlfriend, you have a roommate

>>108767520
>Filming someone without their consent is a crime, filming my own house by point of security is not. So I guess we'll just have to disagree on that point.
Tell that to the judge and see how it works out for you, pal.

>>108768432
He may need evidence if he lives in a state with palimony.

>>108768491
See you in prison, tough guy.

>>108767520
if you're going to set up cameras, set them up outside the house at entrances, not inside the house.
>>108767021
this reads like those stories i hear from women that think their man is doing something that actually do end up being in their head. op is right to check, you shouldn't assume the worse /nor/ the best, don't assume at all, trust but verify

>>108766410
You can get battery powered spy cams of every variety on Amazon. Search nanny cams. They're cheap and take zero effort to set up. The anons itt talking about expensive complicated setups are retards.

But it is a bit cucked you won't just ask her why she wants the house to herself. If she reacts negatively to a reasonable question like that it's a red flag and enough to justify kicking her out.>>108766410

>>108766410
>All I really need is to catch her bringing the guy through the front door to confront her with it.
Amazon had a camera that goes on the front door o algo

>>108766763
it's over
the best you can do now is set up a load of elaborate spycams and film her getting fucked in the mouth, pussy and ass by her new fling

>>108766410
You could probably just leave your phone camera on and place it in a vent or something. Battery could swell up if left on for hours and days through.

she probably is cheating, and the fact that you'd resort to asking /g/ of all places means you're desperate and a faggot.

guess what, shithead, women can smell desperation. just break up with her and find someone fatter or uglier. their pussy is the same, and they will break your heart in the end anyway