does this mean claude code will stop being shit

300MW??? That's almost 1.21 jiggawatts, but instead of time traveling every 4 seconds we are just producing sycophantic prose and slop images

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>>108767404
Another vibeGOD w

will Musk steal their model? Why hasnt that happened yet anyway?

>>108767415
You’d hope so. 4.7 has felt like a step back.

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>>108767404
>Amodei and Musk teaming up
That's straight out of an alternate timeline, what the fuck happened.

imagine lemmings looting cern datacentre

It's very curious why it was more of a cost benefit to sell compute to a competitor than to use it yourself? To me it sounds like xAI is essentially selling out of the market because of the obvious fact that Grok has probably cost more money than will ever be recovered. Anthropic on the other hand is still doubling down since they have no backup plan, unlike Elon who is diversified in to pretty much everything, when things go south it makes sense he will discontinue the least profitable aspects of his companies.

>>108767404
This is so fucking strange that all of these competitors, other than OpenAI and Anthropic are all working hand in hand. It's not collusion, but what the fuck is this?

>>108770292
grok was never a serious competitor, more of a novelty meant to cover for the enormous amount of money lost on twitter. This is probably part of it slowly being wound down now that energy costs are skyrocketing.

>>108770323
It was very much intended to be a serious competitor and was used to prop the valuation of xAI a lot. It was just badly positioned as a product, it was seen as a part of X rather than something anyone could or should use standalone.

>>108770323
>grow was ... meant to cover for the enormous amount of money lost on twitter
Actually yeah you're right.

>>108770306
The companies who made data centers before the 2020s are holding all the cards. Open AI and Anthropic on the other hand, have to go to their competitors hat in hand if they want any serious compute power.

>>108770347
Heling hitler is fun when I'm using it but I wouldnt put it inside a customer support chatbot

>>108770359
Yes, of course, but it remains strange and likely not a good thing for anyone that so many competitors have common interests, that's moving from capitalism to something else.

>>108770360
Wasn't there some news that Grok would be the official "AI" of the american government?
>Musk’s AI tool Grok will be integrated into Pentagon networks
>https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/13/elon-musk-grok-hegseth-military-pentagon
They tried to go after that market.

>measuring compute in megawatts instead of I dunno tokens / sec or ops / sec or something
strange they keep doing this

>>108770404
>Wasn't there some news that Grok would be the official "AI" of the american government?
I think that's just more of Elon being a slut for government money and taking off all the guardrails at their request while Anthropic wanted the president to call their hotline when they got a refusal to see if they could work something out.

>>108767415
No, it means that they can increase the shit throughput.

>>108767415
Hopefully, a lot of people have called them out on their bullshit, if they want to keep their reputation they have to.

>>108767404
just tells me xAI is a meme that'll never amount to anything

you don't sell off all your compute capacity to a competitor if you're planning on doing anything that actually requires compute
contracts get locked in, and you're making more money selling the compute than from developing the AI so where's the impetus to actually improve anything? If anything you're actually encouraged NOT to improve anything so that the compute can keep going to your competitors

Financially it makes sense
I don't think it makes any sense for developing a competing top tier AI however.

>>108770347
gronk seems like it's going to be more resilient to an AI downturn than the other AI companies would be

>>108770435
There is such a thing as corporate espionage, and all of those people have already shown that they don't really care about what's legal.

It's really looking like a big club though right now.

>>108770441
How? Grok is there to justify and increase the valuation of the company it is attached to. Gemini is backed by a company that's printing money.

>>108770435
You aren't wrong. You also have to consider that the data center must have cost 10 billion to build, it's the biggest GPU farm in the world, and that must have come with some kind of investment that required some kind of ROI that Grok was clearly not going to be achieving and if he didn't lease out the compute then he would of needed to sell the data center or come up with billions of dollars to buy out the investors.

>>108770459
it's cheap, people like it, and its continued existence doesn't depend on its own merits - twitter basically subsidizes it via users, memes, and money (it's an upsell feature)

gronk would be in more danger if it were standalone like claude or chatgpt where a downturn means the company just fucking dies

>>108767404
Did Anthropic win the AI war? Google pouring more money in, Elon throwing the white flag and pouring money in, Apple is also using claude internally, was Mythos that fucking impressive which I presume all these big corps got access to

>>108768533
I guess musk is still mad at openai

>>108770409
You buy tokens, they buy (or create) megawatts.

>>108767404
These guys are absolutely btfo'd by Deepseek. The West is going to pay for it's sins.

>>108770557
Mythos is not a demonstrating massive breakaway performance. Their marketing campaign has been very successful though.

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>>108770562
He's taking them down with Grok.

everyone knew xai was a joke, but this isn't a great look for amodei and co
underestimated demand, now scrambling for compute, and still providing a worse deal than codex
completely loses the moral high ground by contracting with the most unethical ai lab, and rents the one datacenter that's literally poisoning the residents of the nearby town with toxic fumes from the illegal power plant they've set up on site
altman looking actually looking like the lesser evil these days, and you have to be a real piece of shit to make that guy look good

>>108771877
>literally poisoning the residents of the nearby town with toxic fumes from the illegal power plant they've set up on site
source for these claims?

>>108772078
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/06/elon-musk-xai-memphis-gas-turbines-air-pollution-permits-00317582

i'm not one of those
>datacenters are le bad
types. but colossus 1 was built in record time because they broke a lot of rules to get it done
musk is a grade a piece of shit, even amongst his peers

>>108772144
They can't breath because they're morbidly obese junkies, not because of mild air pollution.

>>108773258
that's just americans in general bro.
why do you think they were all chanting
>i can't breathe
a few years ago.

>>108770409
>Soyuz AI reached world record in peak power consumption at 6 Gorillion MW in its Pripyat datacenter

>>108767404
xai is pretty much dead, this is just an admission of it if you read between the lines

>>108772144
>but colossus 1 was built in record time because they broke a lot of rules to get it done
Pretty much everything wrong with Colossus is downstream from liberal policy making sure developments go some arbitrary speed limit.
Pretty much all infrastructure America uses and cherish broke basically every single rule if those policies existed 70 years ago.

Of course Elon is the piece of shit rather than government who won't dare accelerate anything to make sure companies have enough power to not need turbines.

>>108774163
Yeah if we just let everybody do literally anything they want we’d all be better off. Not wanting your entire neighborhood to be an industrial waste site is some librul snowflake shit

>>108774177
No one is saying to let companies do anything they want.
But if you want to avoid situations like this I think there needs to be some good faith engagement by the public administrative agencies that oversee these projects. As of right now they are seen entirely as roadblocks and an enemy to progress.

However I don't believe and most people at this point don't believe these agencies exist for anything but the sole purpose of gatekeeping projects no matter if they pollute or not. Even pure community improvement projects take years and years to see light.

>>108767415
No, it means even more Indians will be able to access it for 1/10th what you get charged.

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>>108770347
Elon and the rest of them understand that for AI to work financially it’s going to have to aggressively focus on the highest value labor niches it can get into.
Having a twitter goonbot is funny and based and all, but the market your chasing after is the same market shared by $5 a month gooner patreons. Not really that profitable.
Anthropic on the other hand has been 110% focus on AI coding, which is the most profitable segment to target.
This is why Elon wants to acquire cursor, and why OpenAI shutdown Sora and shifted more to shilling codex.
All unprofitable sloppa novelty distractions are to be furloughed. The new objective is attack attack attack all high salary jobs.
They will build AI ceos and sell them for a ceo’s salary if they can get away with it.

>>108774739
Did the power company have the capacity?

>>108767404
>1.21 gigawatts! 1.21 gigawatts! Great Scott!

>>108770435
They're doubling their compute by end of this year. Then doubling more. They want excess compute on ground and in space. 10000X more compute s what they are building.

They just put forth their stake in building out a new Terafab with initial investment of ~$51 billion dollar that will expand to 100+ billion dollars.

They're not slowing down, they're expanding rapidly.

>>108776411
>They want excess compute on ground and in space
and also a cybertruck and a free pony for everybody
muh space datacenters is just a new grift after self driving didn’t work out and nobody really took their robotics nonsense seriously

>>108777244
>also a cybertruck
No, thats Tesla doing Cybercab which they want to roll out as fleet of cars and then use the computes from there that charges from local grid. Mobile distributed compute on ground and mobile distributed sats in space. Same with their robots.

And Tesla already has ~2M US customers with paying self driving software driving everyday. And ~30-40 fully autonomous cars in Texas operating without humans. Compute will be built and there is nothing you can do except bitch about it like a troon

>>108777273
Go home elmo, you’re drunk

>>108777273
>And ~30-40 fully autonomous cars in Texas operating without humans.
Wow that’s a full 1% of the waymo fleet
total tesla domination in just two more weeks

>>108776411
i can't help but feel like that's a "hopefully we can get the car home before the wheels fall off" sort of thing. i feel like some sort of breakthrough must happen if this is supposed to go anywhere. "gpt but better" is not anything.
but if you have the illusion of shit working, we just need more compute, then that's good for bringing more money in. but that's also how pyramid schemes work.

>>108777295
Its true, but Waymo had handful for couple of years. Tesla is moving from handful to few dozens now. Waymo has ~1000, so this is 3%. Tesla will likely scale to hundreds by the end of this year to within ~10-20% prob.

>>108777315
Teslas bet was they can build car perfectly before legacy car makers catch up with software. That worked out fine.

SpaceX bet was they can build and relaunch rocket for cheaper and faster than competitors, that worked out fine. Then they bet they can launch 10,000 sats. That worked out fine.

Million sats in orbit is their next goal. Trannies will bitch about it, I'll let you dilate yourself

>>108767404
300 megafarts per terashit?!

Grok is still the most uncensored one.

It makes some sense. Musk has the compute, but probably won't need it until next year (or, possibly, ever), only when (if) the xAI + Cursor deal is a success. Him renting it out stops others making money, and hurts Altman

I, however, don't trust Anthropic - Dario is half-jewish

>>108776191
they're acquiring and putting generators next to the datacenters.
on a lot of these bigger sites they're not relying on existing capacity - they're building power plants on-site.

>>108777338
Both companies operated under monopoly conditions sweete. With AI you have to compete with the biggest sharks from day one.

>>108774320
>They will build AI ceos and sell them for a ceo’s salary if they can get away with it.
I thought one of the main selling points for SaaS AI, even if indirectly, was its ability to facilitate cost, cutting behavior. Wouldn't doing something like that go against the "dude everything's going to be so heckin efficient" grift?

>>108777416
Altman is full jew. If you want to go the the jewish argument. xAI's current grok isnt competitive enough, so compute isnt being used. They are still training all they can to get the best result in the meantime and they are selling their extra compute. But this is more than just the idle compute right now. Anthropic said they are interested in the orbital compute that SpaceX wants to build. So future of fully proliferated AI compute will be there. If Musk can build out Terawatts of compute and launch them to space, thats extra money making and compute capability for the US economy. Either for Claude or Grok or some other AI companies who want to make use of it. If Musk goes cloud gpu server selling mode, they could make a bit of money doing that on the side

>>108767460
>>108770433
AI models are deteriorating because despite what babby's first Singularity books will tell you using AI to program AI dumbs it down.

>>108778281
>in the orbital compute that SpaceX wants to build
That's still retarded.
The ISS needs radiators the size of swimming pools to deal with what's essentially a glorified tour bus.
Space has a thermal mass of nothing and heat conduction that amounts to lmao.
Unless they're planning to suspend a cable DOWN INTO THE FUCKING ATMOSPHERE this is a nonstarter.

>>108778218
No, because unlike your meatbag ceo the ai ceo will work 24 7, miss nothing, and not cause hr problems by fucking the secretaries.
Sign me up. I'll take one fractional ceo pls.

>>108768533
Nobody wants Grok. Everyone wants Claude

>>108778218
CEO salaries are a major source of cost wdym

>>108774320
Isn't Sora basically in ChatGPT now?

>>108778333
How do you think Starlink cools their satellites? Or ISS? I understand you're a retard, but ask yourself this, are you smarter than the 100,000 NASA engineers? The 15,000 SpaceX engineers?

>>108778281
>>108778333
>Anthropic said they are interested in the orbital compute that SpaceX wants to build
dario's just saying this as part of the deal.
pump's elon's bags for the upcoming ipo.
it's a strictly a enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend business arrangement.

>>108778441
no. openai is completely abandoning video gen for now.
google's the only western frontier lab who'll continue to pursue it, but probably only because demis likes world models.

>>108778480
good morning, niggerbrain. what's the waste power density of a communications satellite vs. a GPU compute farm.

>>108778488
Its not "just saying", its a deal in contractual term lmao. The only relevant growth in town after the next 3-5 years is likely going to be orbital stations. Data centers on ground are facing enormous resistance from political parties that control the cities. And it comes from both parties. Space is the next frontier, if SpaceX can perfect their Starship fast enough.

>>108778503
How do you think they cool it? Use your brain. I understand that you dont have a functioning mind, but I want to test out the limits of your small brain

>>108778523
you didn't answer the question, you just appealed to some vague and retarded claim by infamous scam artist elon musk. here's a big hint for your inferior negroidal mind: heat exchange is limited by surface area.

>>108778510
bruh they're already renting his entire datacenter, a little extra to put a token h100 in space is nbd.
this retarded fantasy that space will become the only place to put gpus is mars by 2018 all over again
the datacenters are getting and populist movements on both sides are going to get played for fools, just like they always do
there's already so much disinfo flooding the zone, no one's going to know the truth soon

>>108778538
Not "his entire data center" but the excess capacity. A portion of the current data center is used by internal training.

>Mars by 2018
That was the old idea they had with Cargo Dragon converted to Red Dragon. But that was cancelled by US senators that threatened to cancel all contracts to SpaceX if they pursued that idea. Self-sufficiency was the next goal plan SpaceX pursued. Starlink came out as a result of the Red Dragon political fiasco. Political realities forced their hands

>>108778553
tb h if the baying mobs ever start burning datacenters en masse (they won't), or the politicians ever decide it's worth listening to the mob instead of getting paid and lying (they won't), there's other places to put them that are cheaper than space.
maybe peter thiel will finally get to live out his sea-steading fantasies lol
there will be civil unrest though
people are not ready for this and we're about to run into a wall

>>108778576
The cheaper price for energy is solar today, but that is hampered by need for battery, but in space there is solar 24/7 without a need for battery.

There are no other source of energy that is cheaper. And further more, in space means 24/7 access anywhere on earth, instead of just being limited by geopolitical issues on land. NIMBY, partisan, grifter, corruption, weather issues, populism.

>>108778510
Data centers are facing enormous resistance because they're all either shitting up local air quality by using gas turbines to produce electricity or drawing an entire city's worth of electricity skyrocketing electricity prices while only employing a handful of people.

Moving the compute to space doesn't solve the energy requirements but makes maintenance impossible. If you're on Earth you'll get to reuse all the infrastructure when the hardware is done after a couple years and needs to be updated. Musk is just trying to shill his rocket business. Build a nuclear plant to fuel your data center and you'll have at least 70 years of clean electricity at a known cost. Build a solar or a wind farm and you'll get at least 20 years of use out of it. Shoot your solar farm into space and it's useless after 5 years when the hardware attached to it is outdated.

>>108778632
Low IQ slop generation

>>108778743
AI data centers are yet another wealth extraction scam.
>local government gives tax abatement gibs
>utility and water bills go up for residents
>limited to no job creation
if you don't wear a yarmulke, you don't benefit from AI data centers.

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Theo explains it well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pkz-Ie_k_c
>xAI has free compute capacity so they can afford to rent it out
>they don't have data so they're buying Cursor for their data(your back and forth conversations with agents)