This will be 1 of 7 new giga data centers to be built in Utah.Is this sustainable?
why are they not using solar?
>>108790857Look at the sun in that image. It's setting, dumbass.
>>108790848remember when all of antarctica would melt before 2018?
>>108790857lol, then they make it so you can only use ai during the day
>>108790848>JUST TWO MORE GW SAAR WE WILL ACHIEVE AGI SAAAAAAAAR YOU WILL GET ALL THE AI SEXBOT BOBS AND VAGENE YOU COULD EVER WANT SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Accelerate
>Walmarts as a unit of sizeGod bless america
fuck AI
>>108790848Yes. They had 100+ year steel mills using that much power until recently
>>108790888Good. People should be asleep at night.
>>108790848Why don't they force them to invest in onsite power generation lmao
>>108790857They'd need another 50k wallmarts to generate enough power.
>>108791382Small generators are far less efficient than large power plants.And I don't know how close this is to homes and other businesses, but I would much rather live next to a warehouse full of servers than a gas turbine or diesel generator.
>>108790848>Is this sustainable?That's irrelevent.
Americans are not appreciated enough for what they put up with so the rest of civilization can learn what not to allow
>>108790863https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1t5p76i/a_michigan_farm_town_voted_down_plans_for_a_giant/You will the bugs that you like it or not.
>>108790867Nobody ever said that except for people completely misunderstanding what was actually being said by the professionals (which was most people)
>>108791382Theres no need to force it, they typically do.Large loads apply to their NSP years before connection and they have very strong incentives to source their own generation through contacts with (usually local) existing or planned generators so pricing is more reliable and often cheaper. Such large consumers haven't ever been able to rely on the consumer market.
>>108790848>Is this sustainable?It's sustainable long enough for God's chosen people to make their money and run, which is the only thing that matters.
>>108791549Sorry man, but we need to win against China. Voting is a hinderance.
>>108790903Utah is one of the glowie capitals of the world This data center is for spying on people not ai
>>108791563No, it was people just following what the professionals said. Modern peer-reviewed science is just priests meeting up behind doors and making shit up to support their side.
>>108790903these arent for agi theyre for depopulation with drones
>>108791563all scientists say exactly what they are paid to say
>>108791406>small generator >9000 megawattsyou facetious bastard. that's more than the output of the largest natural gas or nuclear power stations on the planet.
>>108790848Notice how silent greenfags are about this? Where is that autistic kid?>gasoline cars, HOW DARE YOU?!>nautral gas-based data centers? what is that? never heard of themThis is what you should scream about, they are literally building poison machines en masses.
>>108790848>all AI data centers will eventually be outfitted with a personalized nuclear power plantHow long till some idiot thinks this a good idea?And what are the consequences of handing a soulless amoral automaton more power than most nations have? If someone decides to shut it down for any reason, is the AI going to threaten to blow up it's own nuclear plant? We know they're extremely quick to resort to the nuclear option when given one. Is it wise to put a nuclear option within their reach, or even just barely dangling outside of their reach?
>>108791382They are. The plan is to build a full natural gas power plant on the campus. The "protesters" are trying to block that too. In fact most of these data centers try to build on-site power but get blocked by regulators and lawsuits, leaving them with no choice but to rely on the public grid. Musk and XAI just did it anyway and they're being sued by the city and NAACP to shut their generators down. This happens again and again and again. And it isn't just power either.
>>108792293>Utah is one of the glowie capitals of the worldThis is one of the dumbest things I have ever read
>>108791406It's 40,000 acres in the middle of nowhere. No one's living near it.
>>108790848>poison yourself for AI goy
>>108790848Without AI we cannot own the libs.
>>108790848Can anyone explain Kevin O'Scammy's involvement in this? He's being presented as the owner of this project. Who's really fronting the money and there has to be more motivation to it than just running a data center. It feels like a scam land grab.
>>108792634Why would the jews (so called 'greenfags') be against the jewish agenda?
>>108792707I'd be more concerned with MIDA https://www.midaut.org/This seems to be a glow project
>>108792557Peer reviewed is a joke.>my buddy looked this over and says it all checks out.
>>108792651If nobody in the region wants to have your shitty ass datacenter, you shall not build it.It is very simple.Build your shit in Silicon Valley next door to the tech glowfags. Why you do need to pester ordinary citizen with your garbage? Put it into your own backyard.
>>108790956based, fuck yuropoors
It is hard not to wonder if AI really does need all these resources thrown at it, or if it's the biggest case of FOMO in history.
>>108792794Define region you dumb nigger. You have literal trannies from Salt Lake City, 80 miles away from the proposed site, driving in to stage a protest on something that won't affect them in the slightest, other than maybe making them lose their do-nothing jobs, spiral, become homeless, and rope, which is a good thing btw. Not to mention the developers legally bought the land and the water rights they need. A datacenter is a better use of water than growing fucking alfalfa for the saudis and muslims. 30% of Utah's alfalfa goes to the middle east and china. Shut those farms down first and then we'll talk about responsible water usage, because I'm fairly certain just that 30% is using anywhere from 10-50x more water annually than the datacenter would need.
>>108792844They still had a lot of protestors that were boomers from the area.Literally nobody wants it. The locals aren't making as big a fuss because they've never protested in their life so they are much more civil.
>>108790848>23 atom bombs every dayI just did the math on that, and they're right. That's actually cool as hell.
>>108792859As if, all the protestors are actors hired by Chinese shell companies or hippies from California who hate AI because they are artists or some shit. People in the state want the Datacenters because they'll bring some actual prosperity to their dead end rustbelt towns.
>23 atom bombs detonating every daywut
With that much area they ought to put solar panels on the roof for auxiliary power and/or export it to the grid, chink panels are cheaper than American roofing materials so is free money, hell they could've sold the project as a solar farm with a datacenter underneath and spare themselves the protests.
>>108792971Explain how a data center will bring prosperity? The people that build it are specialists brought in to do so. The people that run it are brought in or literal jeets(also brought in). And I wouldnt be surprised if they got some tax abatement for 10+years. A best they'll hire locals to be laborers to build it and jannies to change the trash bags.Its a server farm not a manufacturing facility.
>>108792658Nah he's right. Man some of you are fast asleep kek.
>>108792999Americans only understand things in terms of Walmarts, atom bombs, and Big Macs.
>everything about energy comes back to boiling water with heat>people are producing a giant heater that uses electricity and waterjust waste less than 100% energy by turning the system in on itselfwhich I think a lot of these places already do with closed loop systems so requires input isn't the sole thing to focus on unless you're looking for reasons to be upset about something
imagine how much gas will be burned, many many tons for those 3GW, while a single nuclear reactor section produces around 1GW of energy, so 3 reactor blocks would cover all those ovens.meanwhile the liquid gas could be sold to Canada, EU and other wokies as a "green" energy to gain political dominance in there.
>>108792844What if we didn't build data centers in the desert AND didn't grow alfalfa in the desert to ship to Saudis so that they can have cattle in the desert?
>>108790848>an normal nuclear power plant produce 1 GW of energy, big ones produce 3-4 at max, so you will need 8-9 normal ones or 3 big ones>For a 1.4GW plant using the AP1000 or APR-1400 designs, the total capital cost (including financing during construction) ranges from $4.6 billion to $9.5 billion and Construction Time is around 5 years can go up to 9 years>6 nuclear power plants who make 1.4 GW x6.5 billion cost on average equal 40 billion only for electricityhahahaha, good luck
>>108793115Like I said, shut down the foreign-bound alfalfa (and hay too actually) first and then we'll talk about datacenters. They don't even make any real money from selling alfalfa, it's dirt cheap but resource intensive. They're almost certainly foreign owned farms, and probably manned by illegals. It's literally extracting America's resources for nothing. Funny how all these lefties are silent on the fact that water is effectively being extracted en masse to muslims and china, and have been for over a decade, almost like they've been sucking muslim and chinese cock for decades. And datacenters and these farms aren't even remotely comparable. Even if alfalfa is dried for storage, you still have water content that's being extracted out of the region to go to a fucking desert shithole. Utah is landlocked, where do you think the datacenter is going to dispose of the water? You think they're going to pack the used water into planes and ship it the other side of the planet? No it just evaporates back into the local water cycle or gets disposed of normally and treated.
>>108793173Why "good luck"? If 1 data center is 10% of Utah's daily electricity need, then 7 would be 70%. Utah will be fine. Citizens will just have to limit their electricity use and use candlelight during the night. No more ACs in the summer, wear more layers during the winter.In the meantime, maybe citizens can be taxed higher to raise funds to fund the nuclear power plants required to fuel these data centers?We all need to pitch in to fight against China.
>>108793226>The 40,000-acre project will run entirely OFF-GRID using natural gas.https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/kevin-o-learys-9-gw-utah-data-center-campus-approved
>>108793240>competing against big AI for gasNice.Anything about the other 7 data centers being built in the future?
>>108793257Wouldn't be a problem if dems didn't keep shutting down gas operations, and then crying about how their energy bills are going up. >Anything about the other 7 data centers being built in the future?Probably a mix of gas and solar. Hopefully nuclear starting in the 2030s. The only real money going into nuclear SMR is AI money. Google, Microsoft, Meta, OpenAI, Amazon, etc. are the only serious investors in SMRs. China is way ahead in nuclear power in general, but also SMR deployment. It really boggles my mind that the left's darling China is pouring money into nuclear research, but at home they demonize the same tech.
>>108793306>solar@grok how many Walmarts equivalent in size do solar panels need to cover in order to generate 9GW of energy needed to power a gigacenter also how much battery storage is needed accounting for night time and cloudy days also how much is everything, in dollar amount?
>>108793338You know almost all of the land on the site, and other data center sites, will be completely empty right? The actual datacenter is still going to be a warehouse sized building. Tiny, relative to the amount of land they sit on. They could easily pack the surroundings with solar panels and batteries to supply a significant amount of the power via solar. Not all, but a good chunk of it. Like 20,000 acres could supply a few GWs. It's not like these guys are worried about money.
>>108792843Imagine an information censorship fence stamping on the necks of liberty for generations >and the prisoners will pay for the wall
>>108792634Yeah, but the AI in these data centers can be used to monitor your EV usage once ICE is banned and monitor you for doing racism and sexism. They can also monitor you when you're sent to gul- I mean jails so you don't act up in there either. You will be in your best behavior, whether you like it or not.
>>108790867>>108792619both wrong, probably same fag
>>108792843It's a cage. AI+CBDC+Mass surveillance would form a digital prison. They need datacenters to process all the surveillance date from millions of cameras and all other signal sources.At some point it will become illegal to walk around without your phone. I wish schizos spent more time reading about the systems they fear, like 5G. It's not a covid nano vaccine ayylmao graphene oxide mind control system, it's a tracking system. Each phone is localized by the antenna down to 1m accuracy to allow beam forming, that's how Israel can fire missiles into the exact hotel room some poor retard is sleeping in, with his phone on the nightstand.
>>108791563>No one ever said that except for most peopleCould it be that most people don't understand things now too? I can tell you that almost everyone I have spoken to cannot contextualise energy, land, or water usage. The fact the tweet uses "Walmarts" as its size metric should tell you something.
>>108790848no, its ridiculous how absurdly unsustanaible it ispicrel 66-6
>>108793097Massive retard right here.The heat generated is nowhere close to the required level to make high-energy steam. Even if you use that heated water as a partial input with another heating method, you'd need all the massive infrastructure required for a power plant.
>>108791406>Small generators are far less efficient than large power plants.Which is not an answer to my question. If the corporation has enough money to build a data center, they should have enough to budget in a power plant on site. >but I would much rather live next to a warehouse full of servers than a gas turbine or diesel generatorEither option results in a shit quality of life.
>>108793613>heat is the problem>>just utilize the heat then>actually it's not enough heat to make a difference, retardI can see why you're projecting that word specifically.
>>108792651The biggest natural gas power plant in the world is about 8.6 GW, in Dubai. And they have to import natural gas from four other countries to run it. So this data center would require the largest natural gas power plant ever built. Of COURSE people aren't going to want that. Between that and the data center it'll probably raise local temps by 10 degrees from waste heat alone. It'll also spike NG prices in the region because it'll be sucking down three states worth of gas.
>>108790863> Utah is overwhelmed by AI server centers> “Move somewhere else dumbass”> Can’t find home availability online because internet is monopolized for AI and is the 32nd blackout of the day
Are LLMs really worth all this shit? I feel like money would be better spent into researching new and different kinds of AI that are perhaps more efficient and don't suffer from "oops I hallucinated that--and you are totally right to call me out on that!" We haven't even solved the general intelligence problem yet and these retards decided to go all in on annoying chatbots instead.
>big data center in utah>cox is using all our water to keep his alfalfa scheme goingDoes no one know that Utah is a FUCKING DESERT? It's like I'm taking crazy pills. We have infinite apartments going up EVERYWHERE, our water quality has fallen so far in the last 10 years that I had to install a whole filter system in my house. Man this shit sucks. I hate foreigners like you guys couldn't believe.
>>108793688Sounds like you're a commie. Or Chinese. Or both. Why do you want America to lose? All US electricity should be dedicated to training AI.
>>108793648He's not talking about the amount of heat generated, he's talking about how hot the coolant water will be.You could use datacenter coolant as pre-heated water for a power plant to increase efficiency, but it is impossible to use it as the source of steam. It is not hot enough. If it was, it would damage the stuff it's supposed to cool - which would defeat the whole point of cooling.
>>108793734If it's not hot enough to boil water, I don't see why anyone is concerned in the first place.If it is, we have a solution.This is a non-problem.
>accumulate bitcoin>bitcoin go brrr cause surveillance economy needs power>move out to comfy rural place>sit on rocking chair looking at wilderness into old age and listening to sounds of nature not meaningless noise of NPCs>hylics stuck in digital prison smartphone reality city traps>do not have to deal in the real world like hylicsbased absolutely based. Please build this. Schauppenhauer would approve.
>>108793744The problem is the power used for AI slop is worth far more than the slop it makes.
>>108790857I'm guessing that the amount of panels you'd need is too much and it's way easier to leech off the grid
>>108793761Obviously subjective, but to argue the point, in theory it wouldn't use that power if it wasn't demanded by the users. And if it is then clearly they find worth in the compute, right?I might think it's a waste to chit chat with the bot instead of using it for productivity, but my personal opinions don't apply or change things generally.Being upset about the potential of the facility running at max capacity seems silly since it will either not actually use that much energy if it's not actually a valuable service, and if it is then it's self proving. It uses power because people are demanding it to execute, because they want the results and will get them through this power usage.
>>108793744Do you understand the concept of energy at any level at all? A furnace in a power plant could output high pressure steam with thermal energy of 100MW, while a data center could output water at 60C, still having thermal energy of 100MW. For generating power you need pressures and temperatures that are not safe for operating integrated circuits which can do maybe 125C if you're pushing it. That isn't even enough to boil water into steam in a pressurized system. The functional purpose of cooling is different from the functional purpose of a furnace.
>>108793787You're reiterating what was already said.Despite the complaint that it's generating enough heat to be a concern, is actually not true. It doesn't even generate enough heat to produce energy. It's not even close. It's designed in a way that is antithetical to that. I.e. this is a non issue that is a made up concern to complain about. And if it wasn't we have a solution. So both are moot.
>>108793801You still don't understand the concept of temperature, what am I to do but reiterate that operating a data center at temperatures where the coolant could be used for direct power generation is not safe.It doesn't matter how much heat the data center produces, we don't have technology to directly convert heated water into electricity if it isn't heated to sufficient temperatures and pressures at meaningful scale.I don't think Stirling engines at several megawatt scale are viable.
>>108793832>You still don't understand the concept of temperatureThis is not only patently false, it's baseless.You're upset that I don't see this as a problem, where /you/ do>operating a data center at temperatures where the coolant could be used for direct power generation is not safeYou're entitled to your opinion but that doesn't apply to me or the people actually operating the system. Hypothetically bad doesn't matter in practice. This is hyperbole and sensationalism.>bro it's like operating 20 atomic bombs at the same time, it is NOT safe>it could in theory do some crazy shit under the right conditions you must join me and rally against this thing I don't likeNo.
>>108793688Newfags don't know about secret desert water.
>>108792843It's the most important and most powerful invention since the internet itself. AI is finally the tool that can synthesize all the data the internet has created. Millions of AI bots will create content, form consensus, control discourse, and guide consumer sentiment. It's worth trillions.
>>108790848where teh fuck are they going to get the power from?hoover dam is like 200 feet away from not making any power.
>>108793852For running a turbine you need coolant temperatures beyond the safe operating parameters of microchips. You couldn't use a turbine to harness the energy from data centers coolant water. You could use a stirling engine, but those aren't really used for large scale power generation. At least not yet.Why is this so hard for you to understand? Is your IQ exceptionally low? I didn't write whatever article you're seething about. Trying to generate steam for a power turbine with a data center isn't "hypothetically bad", it's not possible until we create chips that can safely operate at several hundred degrees.
>>108793863AI wasn't just invented in 2022, retard. AI has been transforming society since at least the 1970s. Of course to your jeeted brain, AI = chatbots. Imagine unironically being this ignorant and limiting about the future of AI and technology in general.
>>108793888This is at least the second time you have responded with an argument of your own.Me and the other Anon have already concluded they can't use the heat for anything practical. You are now constructing potentials all on your own and dismantling them. Nobody even mentioned sterling engines, you brought that into the conversation as if it was the proposal - ironically showing your lack of insight into just how many types of energy production depend on heat as a source.What's worse is that you're calling these "low IQ". You wrote them and then argued against them.You need to make up your mind.First you say the heat is the problem. Then you say it's actually not. And now you're yelling at me, because your proposal is intentionally bad, but you're the one that presented it to me.This whole argument falls apart because they're realizing this plant.You can tell me it's dangerous after it blows up. Speculating that you know better than them, when presenting like this, is nothing to regard seriously.
I suggest you don't look at the peak power the sun puts into the ground at noon on a summer day.Utah is 219,887,000,000 m^2 and the sun can put out 1000 W/m^2
>>108793040As someone who works in one of the big ass google DCs out in the relative middle of nowhere. They take in 99% locals to the area for maintenance.Where this idea comes from that nothing happens between build out and decom is bullshit. Or that it's somehow cheaper to relocate Indians.Everyday is thousands of things needing shit swapped out. Whole racks needing moved, decomed or built on a fairly regular basis.Literally the best paying jobs in the area.As far as I'm concerned this is a /g/entooman's dream job. Especially if they live in these more desolate areas, yet everyone is adamant these jobs don't exist. That a DC is worthless.I almost question if it's just sour grapes.
>>108793091is mcdonals any good? i am 30 and we do have mcdonals but never bothered, 3.77 sounds ok
>>108790848People should be paying more for electricity. Later it will be only on for few hours a day everything else will be going into AI. Fuck you poors no electricity for you and you will be obviously paying for it.
>>108793930McDonald's depends on the country. Not every country is the same. American McDonald's have tons of filler. Half the shit in American food is banned in other countries. Hence why Trump tried to get rid of trade barriers, like pesticides, growth hormones, etc.
>>108793917No, what you concluded is that "there isn't enough heat". There is a massive difference between "there isn't enough heat" and "you can't use the heat for power generation in practice".1000W of heat is 1000W of heat, even if it's not in a useful form. You simply can't understand thermodynamics.I'm not arguing against myself and it turns out I'm not even arguing against you. You simply lack the level of cognition to engage in this conversation. We can't have this conversation, you are too dumb.
>>108792658You're retarded
>>108793958The topic of the thread is that these thing generate too much heat.You are vehemently arguing with me that they don't. Thus we agree there is no concern. But you're replying to me as if you disagree.You're also projecting, throwing insults, and trying to assert pretty much every aspect of me. Now why would that be the case. It must mean you're confident in your position I'm sure. Very rational approach, super convincing.>it turns out I'm not even arguing against youThat's what I've been saying. You're arguing with strrawmen you made up.
But what if we put cities ON TOP of datacenters? And then people who work there can live right on top.
>>108790848www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/kevin-o-learys-9-gw-utah-data-center-campus-approved<web.archive.org/web/20260505144223/https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/kevin-o-learys-9-gw-utah-data-center-campus-approved#<archive.is/HktFc<gyo.tc/1v7lg<>Kevin O' Leary's* datacentre* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_O%27Leary
>>108793949>spice and herb extracts>spiceName what any of that means
>>108792634You're looking at a post about a greenfag talking about the wildlife devastation of this data center. Holy shit nigger it's 2 sentences, AI induced illiteracy is a real problem.
>>108792681Why did he generate himself with a crown if he asserts he's not a king?
>>108794167Because he's actually God.
>>108793997Gross. I'd rather have judge dredd mega cities instead of that
>>108793997>compressed layered city>still need endless parking lotsonly amerimutt mind could produce something like this
>>108794167anon, you should know by know that zognald is retarded, and his migger base is twenty times as retarded. in their mind this is owning the libtards.
>>108794596toploli hope by the time that future arrives we'll have hover cars that you must pass a 20000 hour deep dive simulation course and if you die there you are summary executed or sent to detroit on mars (they call it the red rape city)
>>108794610Americans are ruled the way they think. It's their right to say moronic things, just as it is Trump's right to do some.
>>108793949>fucking ghost vinegarWHAT
>>108790848oh no... muh wildlifekek
>>108790848brown outs soon
did someone in this thread actually say they should use solar panelsdo any of you know anything about... anything
>>108790848Datacenters.Seems like a middleman industry.
>>108795087Solar panels are cheapBig rooftops are literally free real estateA big array should be enough to cover at least the cooling system power, which is most needed during daytime
>>108793654That's because the UAE is a net natural gas importer. The US is a natural gas exporter. 9GW would be about 1.3% of the US's natural gas production today. It'll probably be under 1% by 2030 or whenever they think they'll do the full scale up. >Between that and the data center it'll probably raise local temps by 10 degrees from waste heat alone>local tempsAka the plot of land they own. Not only do they have huge amount of buffer around the actual facilities, the datacenter is in the middle of nowhere. It's within a few miles of a military testing site.
>>108790848that picrel seemed familiarhttps://youtu.be/lqUbxWEH2MM
>>108795224Renewables are fine for domestic workloads, but to generate a gigawatt you need 20 square km of solar panels...To generate 10 you need 200+ square km.Kinda puts the power requirements in perspective huh?
>>108795310Oh wow? they'll have more pleasant summers and more mild winters. what a shame. who could possibly want that. What a shame. Sounds fucking fantastic to me.
>>108790848I love how on the one hand it's>USA can't create ANYTHING anymorebut on the other it's>USA making trillions of dollars worth of datacenters filled with millions of computers and power plants around them! Someone stop this!
>>108790848This will never ever get built. None of the huge data centers will. A 1 GW of GPU data center costs ~$40b and ~3 years to complete. Only 5GW of data centers are currently under construction right now. The world would have to devote everything to this one single project. And there's little chance of having a good return on investment. The only certain end goal is that Taiwan and Korea will become even more wealthy.
>>108792293But the size is still insane, is it not? How intensively could you possibly spy on people and do it while spending so much compute per capita? We are talking about a size orders of magnitude greater than Manhattan. What will be the architecture of this datacenter? It makes no sense even from a spying AI perspective. There has to be something else.
Can't wait for the I didn't vote for this, but voted for the candidate behind it crowd to "get their comeuppance"
Or... we could just start doing nuclear again and none of these power generation arguments would be an issue anymore. But half of this board is afraid of muh meltdown and muh nuclear """waste""".
>>108795940It doesn't have to be built.If it's put forth that a DC will consume 9GW and the regulatory permitting establishes it then the DC basically has free reign to expand as needed as everything will be covered under the original paperwork.
>>108796345Nuclear would require even more water.
>>108790848Holy based. I can destroy the US just by making nude waifus and cat AI videos
>>108793338With some quick back of the envelope math you'd need 15 hours battery storage for Nevada's shortest winter days and 2500sqkm of solar panels to provide enough power in winter. In summer this would be way more than needed. Winter increases the requirements a lot. If you only wanted to cover ~9 months of the year with solar, you'd need 40% less. You'd still get significant amounts in winter but you would need another source of power in addition to solar.
>>108790864Lol, tell that pussy faggot liberal whats up
>>108790867Remember when straw man arguments were laughed at?
>>108791406>but I would much rather live next to a warehouse full of serversSo it has to be one or the other? Do you know how much noise pollution those things generate? What caused you to become a docile fuckup like this?
America has gone on long enough
>>108796475So they can build a smaller facility but still have the allowances to expand up to a 9GW one if they need to?
>>108795425Sure, if you bought all your panels in the 90s.Some manufacturers are pushing 400W/m2 but let's assume 250W/m2 as a rather low baseline for comparison. At that density it would require 4,000,000m2 or 2km2 for 1GW of panels. Depending on the design you may lose some additional area to shading, typically between 30 and 50% additional space but even an additional 100% is significantly less than your "20 square km".
>>108796475Sure. However, they still need to pay for a 9GW connection so they must have a planned usage of at least 6 or 7GW.
>>108790867Antarctica is melting slower now because the ozone layer is being repaired, which is because of one of the most successful environmental policies of all time.
>>108797793That's just the solar panel. Actual solar farms get about 30W/m2 because of spacing, so it's more like 33sqkm.
>>108797964Also that's the nameplate capacity. You have to consider the capacity factor which tells you how much a solar panel will actually produce over a given period of time. Nevada has a CF of around 25%, so that pushes it to over 100sqkm. CF varies by season so you if you want enough for 1GW in winter you have to build even more. This one website says CF in Reno Nevada is 12.1% in winter so you'd need 273sqkm.
>>108790848There's only one thing we should do.
Why not just build massive nuclear plants instead?This shit will take 5+ years anyway.
>>108798000Propose higher taxes on all Americans?
>>108792794I feel like you've never been to Utah. There's probably nothing at the site but flat desert ground. >>108792844This. Lol at displacing alphalfa farms. That's what you use on shitty soil that won't grow anything else.T former alphalpha balee
>>108794596>only amerimutt mind could produce something like thisclose but feels off, top should be identical detached single homes (without 3rd spaces ofc nor shops), shops will be totally outside of the pyramid so you should drive for 1 hour to buy some bread (zoning laws and such).
>>108790848I don't know if I believe this stuff any more. Every day it's another new AI datacenter will cause 100 chernobyls tweet
>>108790857 why do that when we can simply heat water
>>108790848What if instead of data centers we just built a bunch of huge nuclear reactors in Utah and solved energy for the entire country
>built on private land>funded by private money>powered by private power generators>outside of populated areaNOOOOO THINK ABOUT THE 28 NUCLEAR BOMBS!!!!
>>108793997>people who work therethere's like 10 people working at a data center. A handful of security guards and a couple network technicians.
