What do you think about Xfce?
I don't.
>>108792506It's the best desktop environment but I have been using LXQt lately
>>108792506It's fine. The problem is the the OotB experience is shit. The defaults are garbage and I never seen a distro make a good rice with Xfce. You can made it look good and work well, but it takes too much effort. So I prefer KDE or Cinnamon.And their change wayland is insane, might as well change it to Gayfce
>>108792506dbus logind ebassitk3 xorg dependent shiett. alpine labwc
>>108792506Xfce is the last piece of software that does not annoy me.
>>108792506The only viable compromise berween ux, completeness, configurability and sleekness, so a one size fit for everyone that, as result, won't ever completely satisfy the individual person. It's the "when in doubt pick it" DE.
>>108792506i use it but i hate gtk, it feels so nasty to use. I wish there was something like xfce 1:1 but in qt. I used lxqt but i preferred xfce since it still felt pretty incomplete back then.Also just look at the pulseaudio thing with that new gtk shit, it looks so fucking bad. I had to replace it with the qt version.
XFCE just works. The only thing that annoys me to no end is the fact that when I snap two windows half-half and resize them to left or right, only the one being resized actually changes size. It's so fucking garbage and there is no excuse for it
>>108792506It's not as good as it was back in the day. It is actually very slow and its compositor considerably slows things down but this also depends on the current gtk theme I suppose.
it just werks
>>108792773you can turn the compositor off with zero drawbacks
>>108792506the only lightweight DE that is actually goodI tried MATE and it was slow as hell, despite being based on gnome 2 which was from 2010
>>108792797It's not about turning off something what I don't want to turn off. I am very well aware of this.It just doesn't match the sensibility and snappiness of even Windows.Try using a plain window manager, just about anything will do, and then login back to xfce4 and you'll see how big of a difference there is.
>>108792558stock xfce looks prettier than stock kde
>>108792583if you use minimal xfce (xfce4-session + xfwm + xfce4-panel) you can disable the elogind when you compile xfce4-sessionand then 'chmod +s /usr/bin/Xorg'
>>108792506Looks like ass, but I'm glad you still enjoy your post-mortem display protocol
>>108792899>Xwaylandyou zoomers still use X11 without realizing
>>108792506I like it. It works. I am fine with utilitarian functions so long as it doesn't look too awful.>>108792530How is LXQt? More stable? Faster?I plan to take up Blender usage so I want maximum performance so DE ram numbers need to be as low as possible for autism and OCD reasons.
>>108792911>A compatibility bridge is the same as running the apps said bridge was made forRight.
>>108792780>the little glitchI didn't get that on Mint XFCE.Did it get fixed? Is that meme now out of date?Or is there a reference I'm missing here?
>>108792815I don't understand this. I just used KDE and switched back to XFCE and everything is faster in XFCE
windowing could be better at 720p
>>108792506It has no concept of sharing a folder over the network easily enough and the scaling sucks for 4K monitors, but if you're not doing any meme shit and are looking for a lightweight, just works DE, it's the bomb, I have a 2008 laptop and Mint XFCE does incredibly fine on it.
>>108792932Alright I think I saw it. Oh no.After I disabled compositor I'm not sure if that started it.
Every DE is buggy, but this one is the most lightweight and therefore has the least chances to shit its pants.
>>108792506Don't really have a use for it. As far as I'm aware, KDE does everything Xfce does, with additional features, and I run a modern desktop computer, so saving a bit of ram doesn't matter much. Appearance wise both look shit, even with themes.
Hyprland made click-orientated environments obsolete. And if you do want a grandpa distro, MATE looks better. And if you absolutely have to have XFCE then just use Archcraft since it's the most attractive implementation.
>>108792931Xwayland depends on X11 libs, and also uses X11 code
>>108792965>and therefore has the least chances to shit its pants.Uh oh.I get a good number of crashes on modern hardware. Apparently my hardware is fine I just need to update bios.I did get a bit scared of bricking my stuff with updating a BIOS. So I held off on it.Crashes still persisting.
>>108792926>How is LXQt? More stable? Faster?NTA. LXQt is just a shitty XFCE in qt with less support and integration tbqh. XFCE is the last DE before you take the WM pill.
>>108793075sounds like your hardware doesn't support linux
>>108793107>you take the WM pill.i don't need to tinker my wm config so much
>>108793212stock wm literally just worksbut some crowd will say you need to tinker it, when in reality you don't need to
>>108792506>no waylandto the garbage it goes
>>108792506Most feature-complete GTK DE, actually respects user freedom, and it works perfectly well with or without systemd. Best GTK-based DE for 20 years and running. Cinnamon and MATE are both a very close second. Budgie, a not horribly distant third.
Don't care for it since they went GTK3
>>108792506love how it lookswill try it soon
>>108793107qt is at least themeable, while gtk goes out of its way to break custom themes with every minor version bump>just use the defaultno, adwaita is vomit inducingly ugly
>>108793110Wrong. I've fucked like six frogs to death and all of them seemed to enjoy it before they croaked.
>>108793110>your hardware doesn't support Linux.The CPU and GPU are both AMD. How reliable is the friendly GNU general and AIs like Gemini and Chatgpt for tech support now?
>>108792506>What do you think about Xfce?
Xfce sorta sucks now. But I don't really hold that against the devs because most of the shittiness comes from the fact that they use GTK, and GTK2 was a much saner toolkit than the blurry piles of dogshit that replaced it.
>x in the big 1001+1025
>>108794922Wayland is fundamentally broken. The way it handles fractional scaling alone should be enough to tell you this. Why is it using a cosine multiplexer to draw at 10x scale in SIX (6) separate buffers, when two is more than sufficient? Why are those buffers transposed BEFORE deteleclining and encabulation? Why do frames get processed individually AFTER hard-coded elements (e.g. imperceptible micro-fractals) are superimposed onto them?Do you really believe that it's efficient to pipe each frame through a dynamic rasterization vector when providing what you smoothbrains call "antialiasing"? Finally, please explain the necessity of transmitting mangled frames to displays via predictive mipmapping. Go ahead. I'll wait.If you knew anything about writing a display server, you could easily see how schizophrenic and backwards all of this shit is, but I bet you can't understand half of these concepts without more spoonfeeding, you stupid fucking nigger. Wayland is dogshit technology and about 4000 years behind schedule. If you think it's anywhere near production-ready, then please seek help and examine your life.
It's rather good. I'm experimenting with a minimal KDE setup right now, though, and without compositing it actually feels only marginally slower than Xfce and has a much more full suite of applications. We'll see how things go, but I think Xfce may be second-best.
>2026>Still can't change folder icons in Thunar
>>108795464>right click folder and share it in Cinnamon>piece of cake as long as samba is installed>right click to share folder in XFCE 4.18>doesn't existThunar is fucking retarded but I still absolutely love XFCE on machines where I'm trying to go as fast as possible without drawing or animating as little unnecessary bullshit as possible, it's like Windows in classic mode right out of the box, it's fantastic.
>>108792506>thinkNo more thoughts. Moved to icewm.
I think it's a bit pointless unless you're running on a core2duo stinkpad. Also how are they dealing with moving to GTK3+? thunar will look just lovely with libadwaita and xboxhueg titlebars
>>108795561That several hundred mb saved on RAM not loading a bunch of shit should mean the world in this day and age of expensive RAM, not to mention the CPU cycles saved not doing needed shit, I've been looking at laptops, and everything is expensive as shit, I thought I was a fucking loser with my Ivy Bridge i5 laptop with 16GB of RAM, but even getting a laptop with 8GB of RAM or better is quite expensive, I was expecting 8-16GB of RAM to be a bottom of the barrel laptop due to progression of technology, but I was wrong, they're still selling 4GB of RAM pieces of shit for $199 at best buy, it's insane, XFCE has to exist, maybe these new cost limitations on hardware will get everyone up in arms about bloat.
>>108792773>>108792815Get better hardware you broke ass fag
>>108793107This is correct
>>108793107Isn't it lighter though?
>>108792506fucking screen tearing.'but can install package p, make config c'NO. GIVE ME A DAMN DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT THAT JUST WORKS, XFUCK
>>108796964>fucking screen tearingHasn't been a thing in almost 10 years (since they introduced the Xfwm compositor). Before that it still only affected certain setups, and there were well-established workarounds.
>>108796964>but can install package p, make config cA desktop environment is not a package manager.
Best for straightforward "I need to use this computer" type stuff. No fucking around.KDE enables trannytinkering too much unless you've got the self-control to stop fucking with stuff.GNOME is an iPad DE that only deserves to be installed on tablets or 2-in-1s.The sole reason I moved away from XFCE is that there are features and defaults that are just a bit too plain. Case in point, Thunar lacking some pretty useful stuff that Dolphin just does OOTB. Not saying you can't tinker with it to get it the way you like it, but what's the point of a "doesn't fuck around" DE when you need to fuck around for functionality?I'd rather work backwards these days and put KDE on a machine then start stripping back shit I don't need.
>>108797043>Best for straightforward "I need to use this computer" type stuffThis, Cinnamon, GNOME, etc are pretty and would be great on a laptop with absurdly high pixel density, but if you're on a regular fucking computer, and you're not doing anything crazy, it's perfect for how light it is.
>>108792506It's the only thing that runs on the crappy HP Elitebook with 32 gigs of drive space that my friend gave me for helping him move in 2020
>>108797043>KDE enables trannytinkering too much unless you've got the self-control to stop fucking with stuff.how is this a software problem and not a retard problem
>>108797057it's a problem because redhatfags like ebussy want to control what you can do on the PC you own
>>108792558>The problem is the the OotB experience is shit. The defaults are garbage and I never seen a distro make a good rice with XfceI think Zorin Lite does a good job at making Xfce look good OotB. It's a shame that the devs will stop developing the Lite edition to focus on the versions with GNOME.
>>108793107DE != WM. endgame comfy is using either a modular DE like XFCE or LXQt with your WM of choice. i don't get standalone WM setups nowadays when you end up just cobbling together the equivalent of a DE with disparate, incohesive projects. perhaps TUI-oriented setups have an excuse but if you're already Qt or GTK-oriented then i don't see a point in avoiding them.
>>108792506only tinkertroons who don't do anything useful on their computer will have bad things to say about xfce. literally just works
>>108792506>What do you think about Xfce?I respect it, most of the stuff on Linux with a GUI is GTK, so you can have a consistent theme.But my vote goes to KDE and GNOME, mostly because of *le next gen features*.
>>108798492Nta but, to be fair, when i use a standalone WM i just pick a very powerful file-manager (eg: http://roland65.free.fr/xfe/index.php?page=features ) to compliment it and i'm done, i made a "DE", it took me 5 seconds top.
It's trash, if you want something that looks like shit use lxqt.
>>108792506During my distrohopping times, I tried Xfce, LXQt, MATE, Cinnamon, KDE Plasma, GNOME, Budgie, Deepin, and Enlightenment, but I ended up with Xfce, which I still use today. Xfce is the most mature DE.
>>108799808BASED and same, except I also use Cinnamon. Nothing comes close to the two DEs for me, and I see absolutely no reason to use anything else.
>>108796850Yes, but with less functionality.>>108798492GTK and QT are bloated mess, they both have their own shitty abstraction over C and C++, GTK has their own pseudo OOP with their shitty glib and they try to hide it by creating yet another shitty DSL vala or whatever, qt has their own compiler, building tools, js interpreter, and a whole virtual system. And that's only what I grasped while I was researching on how to make GUIs on Unix.That's why rarely people build GUI apps for unix that isn't related to some DE or a big corporation, and most people prefer making TUIs and CLIs.Standalone simple graphical components that can make a system are better always, you make it however you want, and they're easier to build and hack on. If you only want something that works without all the hacky details, maybe you're right.
>>108799413QT and GTK are both globohomo trashEnlightenment is the way white man.
>>108800702Enlightenment is abandoned and troonified.
>>108800723>troonifiedElaborate
>>108800723No.
>>108792506I don't like it and that is that.
>>108792506Has worked on my computer for 20ish years now.
