The GNOME Log-Out-Button drama is now officially over. A use case has not been provided.
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/please-add-log-out-even-when-there-is-only-one-user-account/34780/22
>get served a desktop caused workflow that would require a logout (extension updates)>ignore>close thread>PLEASE PROVIDE A USECASE CAUSED BY AN EXISTING WORKFLOWthis fucking fat faggot.
>>108792832Ebussy has spoken, god be praised.
Ebussy... He's a man of steel.
>>108792832Wake up babe new Ebussy truth nuke just dropped.
Think about the log out button as a "Close everything and Lock" button.In example: You take a break and want a blank slate when you return. Everybody does that. Even if they can't tell you exactly why.If you log out, you know that nothing gets executed without your will. It is all closed.So unless you have something running that you want to stay running, log out is the sane default option to choose.Locking the screen is the exotic one.
The suicidal tendencies of these groups is very interesting in how it perpetuates. You would think killing projects and your self would eventually disappear. I guess being relegated to some niche that is dying from your influence on it is basically the same as already being dead and forgotten.Like you get what I mean right? Telling your users that you don't consider their feedback and you're going to silence them. That's not healthy for the project long term. I guess this is an omen? Gnome will die in some sense and either stay dead or someone will have to revive it with new people?I'm glad this isn't my problem to deal with. But I feel bad for gnome users, especially lately. They've been getting some serious disrespect from the people that are supposed to support them the most. Reminds me of Mozilla.
>>108792832What are you going to do, Logoutcell?Use KDE?
>>108792832Leftwingers are always miserable.
>Xorg got forkedGnome when?mate is too boring for me
>>108792832All of this just to not add a single button doing a normal and expected feature everyone does. Truly a dictator. I'm sure they get a boner and a smirk on their faces when they deny a feature or force users into uncomfortable UX.
>>108792832Windowsbros, we won
total logouter death
>>108792832Astaghfirullah, just give the brothers their logout button and damn the devil.
>>108793430>manal Al Abbasy
>>108793336>I'm sure they get a boner and a smirk on their faces when they deny a feature or force users into uncomfortable UX.For sure, they are tiny dictators who have little to no control outside of GNOME which makes them enjoy what little they have even more.
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>>108792832damn, this fucktard being cancer is no jokeliterally every single day he refuses to address the issue using "muh usecase" as an excuse and then closes the thread like an assholehope he stays in gnome, because I don't want him shittifying other foss projects, fuck this faggot
>>108793498Gnome controls GTK and has a big influence on wayland, freedesktop, and the Linux userland in general.
>>108793650Meant what is related to the dektop
>>108793650>wayland, freedesktopthank god I don't use those trash>GTKkinda bad, but gnome wouldn't affect GTK that much as they're also shifting their focus on GTK4, only zoomer programs get affected
>>108793650>Using GTK on 1447 AHBy Allah you'll eat my shoe
>>108792989You are an idiot. Sabotaging open source is more profitable than working on open source.Ebassi is a Redhat employee. Redhat is owned by Microsoft. He is paid to sabotage the Linux desktop.
>>108793928All the few enterprise deployments of desktop linux I've seen use gnome 2 with some heavy policies around allowed executables or are just a fullscreen firefox or chrome window with a single remote app.Nobody uses gnome 3 for work.
>>108793957GNOME Shell is technically used in the real world... to open terminal windows. That's what it's actually designed for, it makes it easy to have multiple terminals open but otherwise it's a restrictive and overly opinionated desktop that a bored employee can't break easily.
>>108793928>You are an idiotWhat's with the attitude? I'm not going to read the rest until you apologize.To me and the rest of the board.
>>108793928>Redhat is owned by Microsoft
>>108793725>By Allah you'll eat my shoe
>>108793991You're right. I let myself be overwhelmed by emotions and fell into petty malfeasance.I'd like to issue a formal apology to you and to the board. I failed you, I failed them, and most importantly, I failed myself.
Wouldn't sleep accomplish the same thing plus save you electricity? what's the usecase for leaving the computer on in a state where it's doing fuck all because all your user processes were killed?
Threadly reminder that ebussi is always right about everything.
>>108793957And have you ever stopped to think why that is?
>>108794205>sleepi meant power off fuck
>>108792832>GNOMEthx, pass
>>108794191I accept your apology, forgive you, and commend your ability to do what you've done.
>>108794205>usecaseAbility to switch to remote desktop (RDP) without rebooting.
>>108792832ebussy is such an important personality that nobody noticed or commented on the polish troon with the trans flag
>>108794322ebassi mogs and i'm tired of pretending he's a cringe neckbeard
>>108792832>fake woman>fake name>fake profile pictureAnyways, log out is useful to kill off all the user's processes without needing to wait 45 seconds for systemd to stop being a cunt during a full reboot.
>>108794322It's not like it's out of place.
use case for more features?
>>108792832>he did not discern that macos provides that option
>>108794300What does Ebussy think of this usecase?Is it invalid? Is it wrong and irrelevant?Does nobody use a computer like that?I need to know.And I need to know when the features I need will be removed because of this corpo-plant.
>>108792832people who choose to run gnome are like people who choose to live in the UK. i cant imagine a more cucked existence. add in a blocked bootloader and its the most glowied enshitified pc experiance I can think of.
>>108794090Call me crazy but, it’s pretty strange how the same suspects start acting up every time Microsoft’s share price takes a bath,
>>108792832ebussy is more of a faggot than that trannyi do feel like autism like his is kind of required for a big project like gnome. if you don't say no then people will walk all over you
>>108793134not le heckin penguino!
>>108792832I have only one account on my Macbook, and it has a logout button. As much as Gnome seems to desperately want to copy Aqua, it's surprising they'd be so fixated on not having a feature that Aqua has.
>>108792832is it really that monumental for a fork-and-fix treatment to not be effective?
lol
>>108797088>As much as Gnome seems to desperately want to copy AquaWhy do people repeat this nonstop? GNOME looks and feels nothing like MacOS.
>>108792832>if you want basic functions that even jeetdows 11 has, install thirdparty modificationsIt's such a shame that KDE fell behind because of qt licensing issues and this trash became the mainstream DE instead which is why "year of Linux desktop" will always be a meme. Perhaps even Microsoft pays gnome to stay shit.
This is why Microsoft can get away with Telemetry, MS Accounts and TPM. You know it's true.
>>108798622Nobody here uses either. Their opinions are entirely based on screenshots they've seen and threads like these.
>>108792832Ebassi btfoed that troon and showed him who is the boss hereWho does that troon think he is?!
>>108798677You sure he wasn’t blocking it at the behest of M’lady? Troons are high priests in the world of Ebussy.
>>108792832eBussy is entirely right. If a program requires a log-out to install properly or refresh something, then it's a retarded program. Linux has all the tools to let you dynamically adjust shit, and if something is too low level you are forced to restart, not just log-out and back in. Of course, if an official GNOME program is proven to use this method, appropriate actions will be taken to uniform behavior.GNOME should not be in charge of compensating for other programs' shitty design. That's what Windows does under the banner of "retrocompatibility", and we all know what it has led to.Appeasement created Hitler. You don't want another Hitler, right?
>>108792832It's incredible how by the avatar alone is how you can tell it's one of them.
If there is no case for logout button, there is no case for a terminal either
>>108792832>folks
>>108793296Cinnamon and Budgie are Gnome forks.
>>108792832based ebussy puts the goys in their place
Wait. GNOME removed the log out button? What the fuck is this at this point? Some kind of social experiment?
>>108801647Go ahead and provide a use case for logging out.You can't.
>>108801647they removed it over a decade ago, there is no logout if you have a single desktop session installed. the thing is that GNOME has always had multiple desktop sessions so it pretty much never showed up as an issue for 99% of people. since GNOME 50 is now Wayland only, there are several distros now shipping with it as the only installed session, and several normies very confused as to why there's no log out anymore.>whyobsessive minimalism, even the maintainers in the original thread thought it was a joke or something https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657011
Does this mean we'll get reloadable extensions finally? That's basically the number one reason I log out.
>>108793344How? Where is the log out button on Windows? I literally have to type logoff in cmd.exe to close RDP sessions. It's unreal.
>>108792832Explains why my login screen won't let me relogin in on logout.Jesus Christ, does EBussy actually use his fucking DE?
>>108792832Terry would be proud, remove user permissions next.
I want a less gay gnome and a less jeeted debian.
>>108803948>he thinks GNOME would add something to balance out what they removedhow cute
>>108792832>YES YOU CAN DO THE WORK I just won't approve it lol sUCKERRRR
>>108792837How is this not standard func->GNOMEOh I get it.
>>108792832>single-user systemsCan't logoutchuds just create a dummy user?
>>108792832I don't get it
this is up there with iphones 'why do you want to close all apps? you dont need to'
I think disabling it by default is stupid but he just gave them multiple ways to add the option back into the GUI, with the easiest one on top. The setting already exists in gsettings so just add it to gnome tweaks.
>The logout functionality is there>But GNOME would simply prefer if you didn't use it>The whole thing works and could be used>But nah, it just makes GNOME uncomfortableAI: "Ok now just logout and login again and you're set!"Prompt: "ugh, actually I can't re-login because GNOME thinks that's a bad idea and I can't apply the changes."AI: (Thinking for 20 seconds) "I'm so sorry"
>>108793971praise stallman for tmux so I ever have to deal with that shit
>>108798836>eBussy is entirely right. If a program requires a log-out to install properly or refresh something, then it's a retarded program. So? That's not his fucking concern. Pube-faced asshole. This is like saying restarting after an install is bad design so therefore the restart button has been removed. It's the same fucking mental gymnastics to keep from adding one button.
>>108804254The AI would probably suggest installing KDE.
i am going to imagine that he (ebussy specifically) removed the button accidentally but cant admit it so now he has to run in circles to pretend it was intentional.
>>108792832The core GNOME team, Ebussy especially, truly deserve gruesome deaths. These are narcissistic control freaks of the highest order, but they have no / very little access to material comfort, wealth, and power, so they flex on unsuspecting users in the digital realm, as much as they possibly can. Anyone whose first experience with desktop GNU/Linux centered on post-GTK2 GNOME, has every right to hate the OS. If an active GNOME dev ran to my door screaming for help in the middle of the night, I would, at the very least, thrust a steak knife into their stomach and kick them to the ground. I hope the very worst for these "people".
>>108804683You've just described like almost the entire software industry in general.
>>108792832this fat dickless fuck and his minions have done to mainstream linux what /pol/niggers have done to this site
How is he even wrong, because he isn't. Why bold on endless amounts of bullshit and go KDE-tier and become an unmaintainable travesty. There are 2 options here:>you fail to provide a case for a feature and waste no further time>you provide a valid case for a feature and implement itSame happened to C++, with so much shit bolted on to the language that they've lost track of the bigger picture. I don't have to remind you thatnig.starts_with("nog"sv)got added in fucking 2020? And yes, I'm basically saying KDE is like sepples and GNOME is like C.
nig.starts_with("nog"sv)
>>108804759>Why bold on endless amounts of bullshitNigger you have no clue what you're talking about. They sctively dismantle simple, basic functionality, that has been there for decades.
uhoh ebassi haters, the kiddy diddler is on our side, I think we have to go along with Ebasedy now
>>108804759It takes more code to maintain no log out option present under certain conditions, but for it to be there otherwise, than to just have a single path. This is just retarded bikeshedding gone too far.
>>108804632>That's not his fucking concernYes it is you spoiled faggot. They literally have to clutter their UI to appease some faggy program out of millions who is coded by a retard and requires a log out when there are no technical reasons to do it>This is like saying restarting after an install is bad designIt is, that's why Linux has moved towards never needing a reboot in recent years and live patch everything. When that will be completed the reboot button will also become useless
>>108792832>The Gnome moderator before ebussy is a self proclaimed Trans "Lesbian"Every time
>>108805162stop roleplaying
>>108805162more code to maintain the check for whether or not to display it than to have a simple path and always offer it, which precludes edge cases
>>108804902fucking hell
>>108792832>em dash>bullet point list>in short:AI coded ahh comment
