>*intercepts your signup mails, the only reason you made an account*>*confirms its not secure and they're reading everything you receive*why would they do this?
>>108796126every mail service reads your shit lol
not secure but still better than other services in terms of usability you could go more secure with a meme like cock dot li but it's rejected everywhere
>>108796161Posteo is the best mail service. They have a long record of never giving anything to anyone. They accept payment in cash for total secrecy. #monero cultists gave me this https://danwin1210.de/
>>108796155holy copeno other mail service autoscans your mail like proton
>>108796126fed op
>>108796126you already got btfo when you made this exact thread last time, schizoyour j*wish golem tactics are not fooling anybody, my proton unlimited subscription is still going strong
>>108796339>>108796221holy glowseethe
>>108796126I don't use any of the big shit but I would unironically trust Google or Microsoft more than Proton re: e-mail scanning/privacy.Proton is the biggest JewNigger(TM) of them all.It's just a ticking time bomb before their Jeetscraper server gets compromised and everything ever sent to/from Proton is dumped in plaintext.
>>108796399we're talking about throwaway emails for registration services but i agree
>>108796126people got memedemail is an inherently cucked servicethat's why you should just use gmailit's normiemail, just use the biggest normie provider
>>108796204>https://danwin1210.de/tutorials/findom/>https://danwin1210.de/tutorials/successful-sugar-dating/wtf?
>>108796429this, why bin yourself with criminalsvery bad and dumb OPSEC
I moved from proton to mailbox.org recently. It was either that or Tuta but i decided to go with mailbox since I can use Thunderbird with it. I just read some concernign shit about proton it feels like a straight up CIA/Israel honeypot, and while both Tuta and mailbox are hosted in a 12 eyes country im not actually doing illegal shit so I dont need that kind of protection. But it does feel safer to store my shit with a private german provider than with some US megacorp or some CIA/Israel honeypot
>>108796479>german providerLMAO enjoy getting raided when someone uses it to call a political a dick, says heil hitler or calls someone a kike
>>108796503im neither a /pol/tard not german so I don't really care, I'm much more preoccupied with not having all my personal data in US owned databases
>>108796608kraut providers get fucked over harder than anyone you retard. you are king midwit
>>108796634beats being in a google or CIA/Israel database. If you want to check my data you will have to provide a well justified court order to Mr. Hans, no more free access to you mr. glownigger. Keep seething
>>108796659you dumb fucking nigger they have it anywayall you're doing is having yuronigger monitoring and raids added
>>108796204Posteo will absolutely bend the knee to German authorities
>>108796670you know how I know I did the right thing? It's when I have an amerimutt like you seething in my ear about how I should keep all personal data on Google and Microsoft servers, keep replying bro I'm loving it
reminder krautniggers will have their hosue raided for calling a political a dick on twitter (google pimmelgate)they're the biggest cuckniggers in the worldthey cannot even open a website without doxxing themselves
>>108796692and they did but they had nothing to give, literally no log at all. the authorities then went to posteo's bank and asked for payment records but if you paid in cash or stolen credit card or i don't know then there is no trace at all. you can verify. https://posteo.de/en/site/transparency_report
>>108796449always like that with monero people: at the frontier of privacy but also complete looneys. the dude is hosting his services right in his home apparently. he relies on rented vps has a proxy between clearnet <-> his home server using vpn encrypted connection so you can't know his private ip. he seems to be more competent than the cockli dude.https://danwin1210.de/about.php
>>108796126>>*intercepts your signup mails, the only reason you made an account*I've seen you claim this a hundred times, yet you never provide proof or even an explanation of what the fuck you are trying to say.
>>108796960try this>make proton account, dont give it backup email or phone #>try to validate 4chan email with it (or probably signup to any service)>get this, meaning they scanned AND intercepted your email (they won't show you it either)>have to give them a backup email to see it (have to request it again, the original one is lost forever)i've only ever posted this once before, i guess it means many other people are pissed off with this practice
The entire history of Proton is perhaps the best example of enshittification of all time, second only to uTorrent after 2.2.1. The only reason I suffer through it is because it's still the lowest effort method of having multiple email addresses that don't get filtered.
>>108796429No. It’s not even about privacy. If google bans you because you made one mistake, honest or not, you’re fucked. You should at least hedge your bets and keep a Gmail, an outlook, and something else and use them for different things.
>>108796969I've got 2 Proton emails already, and i didn't need to do anything like that. If retards like you didn't abuse the service they wouldn't institute this bullshit.
I use gmail as my "official" email i.e. anything that requires government verification.I use proton as my semi official as in I login to github or other providers like that through it.I also use tuta/disroot as my secondary bullshit login accounts.I have some aliases setup through simplelogin as well. I'm pretty well set regarding emails. I do check all these once a week.
I'm glad proton gatekeeps
>>108797004Leave me alone with your hair splitting.
>>108796126>masonic logo>why are they masonic?>>108796155they sure don't read your gpg
>>108797012in the end, gpg was quite a lot better. I still dislike rings of trust, though. It's a security problem, sometimes.
>108797096kek tranimefag fell for the honeypot
>>108796974my good sir, have you heard of "Fastmail"? it's like 5 bucks per month and it allows you to create unlimited amounts of emails (with a bunch of different domains. It was recommended by that "IntelTechniques" podcast (privacy and OSINT type shit)i have probably created 50+ email aliases and all of them have worked, not filtered, not blocked (i create new email for each service/website). And now i looked in the FAQ of Fastmail. They say you can create 600 email aliases holy shit.Also makes it really easy to see which website starts selling your email to spam companies, or which service seems to have been hacked, and if that happens just disable the alias and poof, no more spamsit's not really a proton-like service though, but it's private and secure (dont think it's end-to-end encrypted but could be wrong). But it even allows hardware security keys like Yubikey. Proton also allows it but you're forced to have TOTP enabled aswell (the 6 numbers that keep changing and you have an app that refreshes the numbers every 30 seconds). The problem with Proton here though, is that you can choose during login, so you can just click TOTP instead of hardware security key, which makes it kind of pointless.I'll probably look like a sales rep for this service, but i'm not.
>>108796969>>get this, meaning they scanned AND intercepted your email (they won't show you it either)No, all it means is they knew an email came to your brand new account and they want you to verify before releasing it to you. Are your ipad kids really this brain dead? Do you understand how email systems work? They don't just magically appear on your local computer. Of course proton can see that you're receiving AN email from an outside provider that is NOT from proton itself. How fucking braindead are you? You don't need to scan the contents of an email to know this.
>>108796126Daily no one fucking cares you shithead pedophile. Stop being a pedophile you fucking maggot.>>108796155Proton doesn't read your shit, but they will cooperate with LEOs. All the people who got busted did so not because of the content of their emails but because of how they accessed them. Note that EVERY SINGLE TIME one of these threads gets shat out on /g/, it's always the dipshit retarded faggot ops misinterpreting what actually happened. The service is fine, and FUCKING RETARD PEDOPHILES WHO WANT TO TRADE PICTURES OF KIDS GETTING ABUSED are seething because literally any tech company will cooperate with court orders when child rape is involved.
>>108797316>. Are your ipad kids really this brain dead? Do you understand how email systems work?This 1000%. The majority of ""anons"" on /g/ have absolutely no conception of how computers or technology work, let alone email RFCs in particular. They are iphone babies, they do what the pocket screen tells them, they aren't aware that there is anything else going on under hood. Anything that goes wrong must be a "betrayal" of the software or service, not their own clueless stupidity.
>>108797266I've been screwed so many times by email services that I'm no longer curious about alternatives, since the truly private ones either sell out or get raped and gaped by the US intelligence community ala Lavabit. I've lost access to a few accounts forever because OpenMailbox just went belly-up, and even when it was alive and usable I had to deal with people not getting my emails because some faggot ass corpo mail server ignored emails not from Gmail or Hotmail/Outlook.I'd maybe check it out purely out of boredom but at this point I dislike the idea of paying for a service when I half-expect it to fuck me over later on.Email as a decentralized system is dead. Ordinarily I would laugh since it was always kind of a bad and insanely insecure protocol by design, but the way it died still disgusts me.
>>108796936I just hope they don't get caught selling user data. I've been quite happy with their service for well over a year now. Wish they weren't green autists and finally start taking XMR.
>>108797316>n-no they didn't read the email, they just monitor the incomingsame thing
>>108797358>>108797344>>108797366seethe and cope, your precious service has been exposed as a useless honeypot>b-but pdfsit's for making accounts you double niggerTHEY SHOULD BE WHITELISTED
>>108797420>idiot retard ipad pedophile seethes and begs peopleYou lost pedo kike faggot. You made this thread to cry like a bitch and everyone pointed out you're a fucking retard who doesn't know how to use a computer.
you lost niggeryour site got exposed as useless honeypot shit even WORSE than gmail for throwaway accounts (the only use case protonmail ever had)you've fallen for sunk costs and are a defeated and cuckolded nigger you picked the wrong provider
>>108796479>Germanprobably the last country where I'd host my stuff. OK maybe UK is worse.
>>108796217Yahoo does.
>>108796429gmail won't even let you sign up without a phone number
>>108798389sorry my advice was aimed at the 99.9% of the population who have phonesif you don't have a phone then please find your own path
>>108798503>sorry my advice was aimed at the normiecattle who like to give all their personal information to the billionaire megacorps
>>108798522they already have your phone number, champ
>>108796217gmail does>>108796161>more securein what way? he says himself he can read every email
>>108796479>but it does feel safer to store my shit with a private german providerlol
>>108797316And how do they know it's a registration email?
Why is any of this a surprise? Emails are still sent cleartext by default and it's only when PGP/CSE is setup properly that 3rd party services are unable to read the contents of an email (headers are still cleartext because how else are they going to get routed properly?). If you think that TLS "encryption" matters in anyway, just ask yourself if you established a certificate with the other party before receiving an email. If you're going to be autistically paranoid about email security then setup your own MX record that points to a self-hosted James instance.
>>108799179It's not about exposing the content of your emails, it's about who holds the detailed record of your activities and profile youOnline purchases, booked flights, registered services, contact network, calendar planning, the list goes on>GoogleFeed even more data into the 100% compromised omniscient big corpo, sure>ProtonAh yes, give every drop of information you can to WEF-supporting malicious ((people)) that hate you, great fucking idea>>108796204>no custom domain support>>108796479I've been using Tuta but their apps are so bad I'll research about a potential migration to Mailbox.How would you compare their privacy policies?--Are there any other email provider alternatives that won't profile you and/or sell your data? I just wanted to remain somewhat anonymous but it feels impossible
>>108796126ProtonMail is a glowie honeypot.
>>108797344American: the post.
I have used protonmail for everything since 2020
>>108797919>>108799014you guys say this but if I ask you what your email provider is its gonna be one of 3 with direct backdoors to any US Alphabet agency like proton, gmail or outlook. Yes I do believe my data is more private sitting in the databases of some private german company than US megacorp or a CIA/Israel honeypot>>108799391>I've been using Tuta but their apps are so bad I'll research about a potential migration to Mailbox.If I were to change now I'd go with posteo, it seems like their privacy policy is the best of the 3 since they don't log IP at account creation. With Tuta you're locked into their apps, with mailbox you can use classic email tools like Thunderbird etc
tuta gives emails to germans
>>108799427So it seems. So it seems.>>108799179there is an implicit contract that the provider does not scan your email, especially when the ONLY purpose you made an email there was for throwaways
>>108799588>fumothirdie funkopop>>108801299this and they do it for things that aren't crimes like denying the holocaust or calling someone a kike or a nigger, not actual crimes like american providers do
>>108801329>thirdie funkopopI agree (it's not mine)
>>108796126How would you profile the typical Proton user? Is a bunch of>Unemployed>Liberal>r/antiwork advocate
>>108801367? it's a libertarian / right wing email service
>>108799031You realize that all email is transmitted in plaintext, right? Even if you "encrypt" your email, it only applies to the body. Gpg the shit out of your email, but the subject, sender, receiver is still known to everyone including any intermediary handling the network traffic.Guess what's easy to determine from the sender + subject: email registrations.Proton has to scan the fucking thing for any spam filtering to work.You confirm the other posters' points. Zoomers can't into critical thinking.
Why can't we just self-host emails again?
>>108796126I had exactly the same experience, which was funny because several days had passed between sign up and (not) receiving the first mail. I don't mind them reading emails, but the fact that they wait for you to receive (not even send) the first email before they ask for a phone number is somehow more offensive than asking for it straight away like gmail and everyone else does.
>>108796670Proof
>>108796126>>*intercepts your signup mails, the only reason you made an account*qrd?
>>108802189>>108796969
>>108802028>but the fact that they wait for you to receive (not even send) the first email before they ask for a phone number is somehow more offensive than asking for it straight away like gmail and everyone else does.yeah it's a very shitty practice, /g/ would be seething about it if it was gmail doing this but because it's le gmail alternative its ok or something
How practical is running your own email server these days?Last I checked it was not difficult to set up but it was borderline useless due to reputation bullshit (aka gatekeeping)
>>108801986Because Jewgle and Microslop will send all your outbound emails to spam, even if you have SPF, DKIM, etc. set up right.
>>108796126Why would you not use Fastmail?
>>108796399Can you, or someone posting in good faith, explain what the ProtonMail bust was about and how someone got arrested using it as an email service?[spoiler]Also how good is the pro proxy/storage? Do you have just hte mail service or the whole suite?[/spoiler]
>>108802543>Fastmailnot a valid domain for many services for signup/auth emails :)
>>108796479>and while both Tuta and mailbox are hosted in a 12 eyes country im not actually doing illegal shit so I dont need that kind of protectionIf that's the case why worry about Proton? But I get what you're saying. The #1 reason to worry about "I'm not doing anything illegal" is because these countries do not care what jurisdiction you're in, they're still training an AI on your data to spy on you and link it back to any activity you do online. Even here. And they do not care if you made a post on 4chan but use protonmail, they'll extradite you all the same.
>>108802263>How practical is running your own email server these days?Easier than ever.Biggest problem is that you still encounter the same issues if you host your server unless you're in someplace like Iceland. Email that is sent is not secure. That's why holding everything as drafts was a CIA tactic for years.
>>108802569Huh, I use runbox and it seems pretty good for signups and auths. I admit I don't use Fastmail but I just assumed it would work because it's at least as big as runbox.
>>108802590try and get an email sent from 4chan therewont fly comrade
>>108802610Ohh, I just use a free tuta for that. There is no law declaring that you can't have one or even multiple free tuta accounts. I wouldn't give 4chin my real email to begin with.
>>108802581>unless you're in someplace like Icelandwhy iceland?>>108802574you niggas have the wrong threat model, this isn't about the glowies or jews (they have all your shit anyway), the enemy are forum moderators
>>108802615*or even an alias. btw. You have no idea where that email will end up being sent.
>>108802615>tutais that the kraut one that bends over for the bundespolizi anytime someone calls someone a kike? regardless ill use them over proton if they make it easier to make throwaways
>>108802620>why iceland?They generally have a better standard of law against mass surveillance and have not, in the past, done mass raids over email services, they also are not beholden to EU regulation over decryption and storing-and-holding.
>>108802629>is that the kraut one that bends over for the bundespolizi anytime someone calls someone a kike?That's the one! Again there is no harm in using it for 4chan emails since it's not like /pol/ is going to be sending you daily shoah emails to it. For everything else, if you can't self-host I don't see a downside to something like fastmail or runbox.
>>108802629Also their signup standard is literally just agreeing to "I have not made a free email in the past" and that's it. No PI required (as of yet). You can also just ignore it and make free emails anyway, as long as you don't use it to spam.
>>108802660getting 1 signup email is not "using it to spam">>108802651yeah, but they're double likely to be raided because krauts are megacucks (one got arrested for calling a politician a dick on twitter)
For those who don't understand what OP is talking about. If your IP is from a shitlisted range (which can happen even if you're not on mobile), you'll have to do this to post. Protonmail is one of the few choices. Turns out it baits you into thinking you won't be required to give it your phone, but as soon as the first mail arrives, it prevents you from reading it until you do.
>>108802694>If your IP is from a shitlisted range (which can happen even if you're not on mobile),it's not actually an IP ban though, it's a fake rangeban for low "trust score"works absolutely fine on firefox but not on chromium, both with no cookies
>>108802694>but as soon as the first mail arrives, it prevents you from reading it until you do.even worse, it never shows you the first email. it's gone forever, sent to /dev/null.
>>108797381I'm not really part of that scene, but I regularly visit German IT news sites, and honestly the people who comment there are way more radical about privacy than almost anything you read on 4chan. Even though we don't have any big IT companies, we seem to have a strong sense of IT ethics.
>>108802715hans my digga you have to fucking dox yourself to run a personal websitedespite founding the CCC germany has to be one of the most deeply cucked countries in the world for digital privacy
I don't care, literally.
>>108802673>yeah, but they're double likely to be raided because krauts are megacucks (one got arrested for calling a politician a dick on twitter)Okay but if you only use a signup burner for verifications, what do they get? Your 4chan verification emails. Which are pretty pointless. >>108802694One thing I didn't notice is yahoo is on here. If you don't want to give pictures of your butthole to the feds, yahoo signups don't require PI at all. I don't even think they require a phone number.
>>108802727personal website - we're not in 2002 anymoreIP addresses must not be stored here; our politicians try to do this every 2–3 years, and every time the Constitutional Court blocks the attempt.It is also a form of privacy.
>>108798566so why do they keep asking for it?
>>108802800To reduce spam and secure your account.
>>108802928>he actually believes that Saar redeem the google play card saar give us phone number to sell to cousins and sisters to redeem saar it's secure and reduce spam no our shithole country isn't required to do it, saar, it's just you because you have money we can steal
>>108803692In English?
>>108796956What is the cockli guy doing? If it's just not disassociating his IPs from his identity then its a completely different ballgame since IP reputation matters for email deliverability to larger providers. He *shouldn't* be hiding anything about himself if it means he uses a tar black IP address for SMTP.
>>108803785>What is the cockli guy doing?how many time cockli went down? imagine having an 2fa on a cockli email address
>>108803731SAAAR GIVING TURD WORLDERS YOUR ID SECURES YOUR ACCOUNT SAAR, No, Saars, in the turd world don't have to use their identity. WE WANT YOUR IDENTITY SAAR REDEEM
>>108796204>Ukraine shillUgh, I guess he's serious about the findom bit.
>>108796126>IMAP support so you can use standard email clients? pay up goy>automatic email forwarding that even gmail lets you do for free? pay up goyself-hosting is the only correct solution
>>108796449those germans...
>>108796429You shoud in fact, not use the worst email service.>But proton might be cuckedGmail is definately cuckedGmail is also certainly using your info against you, atleast for advertising.
>>108796126The integrated alias system is too good to pass on.
>>108806527Would you mind actually responding to my argument if you're going to @ me? Ty
>>108796126>Israel Mailhow did you niggers fall for this shit?
>>108806586free .ch email domain (TL note: ch is Switzerland). It's cool and epic and deserving of status
>>108806586
>>108802539Nope, it's because websites literally won't allow you to sign up if you use anything other than a big name email as an anti-spam measure.
>>108796155Simp talk, PGP that shit.
>>108796126>woah my email provider can read... MY UNENCRYPTED MAIL!?>only ever focuses on protonmail>never mentions the (((Germ))) providersDaily glownigger thread.
