>>108796794
If I were a freetard, I’d probably go for KDE.

>>108796794
It's not false.

>>108796794
it'd be better if the fucking extension reviewer weren't a gypsy getting bombed since half the extensions aren't fucking working

>>108796794
Nyarch fixes this btw.

>>108796794
I'd ask you to logout and realize how bad of a system it is when you try any other desktop environment, but GNOME has removed this feature for the majority of its users.

If you enjoy being a toddler who might hurt themself if given a minimize button, that is strictly on you.

>>108796941
as much as I dislike GNOME, this happens specifically if you DON'T have any other environments installed. I guess expecting the average /g/ shitposter to be able to read is too much nowadays.

>>108796794
Switched to niri/noctalia on laptops. No more gnomes for me.

>>108796965
>this happens specifically if you DON'T have any other environments installed.
that's still obscenely retarded, there are plenty of reasons to logout without rebooting/shutting down.

>>108796965
You can also do that linux thing where you just do whatever you want and fix the problem.

gsettings set org.gnome.shell always-show-log-out true

>>108796986
I agree. yet there are plenty of reasons to shit on GNOME that don't involve lying. they give us enough reasons on a daily basis, no need to resort to jew tactics.

>>108797011
>bro just toggle this hidden setting in our gay retard opaque registry
Why not just use Windows at that point?

>>108796986
>there are plenty of reasons to logout without rebooting/shutting down.
give me 3

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>going against the grain of every other desktop paradigm for no good reason
>compositor constantly behind KDE
>needs extensions for things everyone else has like a clipboard manager or tray icon support
>devs are autistic and doing anything outside of the box voids your warranty in their eyes, so you're on your own for doing anything outside of the tiny box they put you in
>nautilus is less performant than Dolphin and lacks basic features like a split view
>GNOME apps like their text editor get routinely mogged by the KDE equivalent
>actually has more features than advertised but obscures them because muh UX, so you need to install dconf editor and gnome tweaks to actually get a full settings men
>above leads to the absolute worst discoverability of features in the desktop world, to the extent that many people don't even realize minimizing windows is actually a feature in GNOME
An example of this is playing in this thread as I'm writing this lmao. Great UX guys thanks for reinventing the wheel.
>expects you to use workspaces, makes using more than a few workspaces an uphill battle
>an open sauce project that's default on all of the big distros, hates when anyone modifies or even just themes their apps

>>108797017
switching users on a server
properly applying userspace software updates for plasma, pipewire etc
applying changes to your login shell/environment

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>>108796794
>ITT: It is bad, but the alternatives are worse.
so true, I'm here testing KDE cause /g won't stfu obout and damn it fucking sucks. I'll return to GNOME

>>108797023
>switching users on a server
if ther is more than one user it will show the "Close session" button to switch user.
>properly applying userspace software updates for plasma, pipewire etc
Super User +3 restart the session
>applying changes to your login shell/environment
same as above.
stop watching that loser Brodie Robertson, he has a mission against GNOME. fuck him.

>>108797017
Refreshing a Corrupted/Unstable user space
You updated Gnoom and actually need to apply said update.
Changing users
Swapping from a desktop GUI to a window manger through the login screen.

>>108797036
or maybe just show the logout button at all times instead of needlessly complicating things

>>108797041
niche not valid reasons.
>>108797042
not a valid reason to stop using GNOME,

For me, it's xfce + i3

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>>108796794
>but the alternatives are worse.
KDE is better than ANY alternative on ANY OS
cope harder GNOMEtard

>>108797029
Terminally online NEETs like KDE because, on paper, it has more features and is more customizable.

However, things such as reliability, polish, non-bugginess and integration are hard to measure, which is why anyone who actually *runs* GNU/Linux instead of publishing blogposts all day eventually switches to GNOME. As OP said, it's shit, yes, but it's the least shit DE overall.

>>108797029
What annoyed you about it?

>>108796803
>t. trolltech employee

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file name search works inside gnome file picker
it doesn't work at all in kde file picker.
you can filter files in the current directory but you can't search for them under subdirectories. KDE Baloo search barely works.
GNOME provides the superior 4chan shitposting experience

>>108798016
kde looks perpetually unfinished and is overly complex and filled with buttons and knobs 99% of its users will never touch
the only issue i ran into with guhnome is that it's really hard to change the "open terminal here" button to use anything other than gnome terminal because it's hardcoded to use gnome terminal
oh and i guess the built in nfs mounter doesn't work on the newest versions of nfs, but i have autistically specific nfs mounts that probably wouldn't work on kde either

>>108798346
I like the Windows workflow, but I never hear a compelling reason to choose GNOME over KDE, even if I do think GNOME looks nice out of the box, and KDE includes way too many Krappy apps.

>>108798385
What's a compelling reason to use KDE?

>>108798368
>be on KDE
>read post "X doesn't work on KDE"
>do X
>it works
what is the purpose of this spam?

>>108796938
>Nyarch
>Nya
im not using troonware

>>108798554
heterosexuality

>>108798337
is unpolished, buggy and untuitive.

>>108796794
>the alternatives are worse
Xfce, Cinnamon, MATE, Budgie, Pantheon, LXQt, KDE, and Enlightenment all mog GNOME in every respect. KYS.

>>108796794
Linux in a nutshell

>>108798016
How are you using visual studio on Linux?

>>108798554
Its the closest to windows, making it easy to switch.

>>108796794
I took the time to sit down and use gnome the way their autismo engineers wanted it to be used.
It's alright and I get the spirit. If I had a touch only device it's not bad.
In reality I'm using a mouse and KB. Give me an OSC dock and the ability to drop icons on the desktop and we'll be good to go.
Why they took that out is beyond me. At least plugins fix this but it's asinine to remove what has been a good UX experience for decades in an effort to not be an OSX clone .

>>108799869
It has been available on GNU/Linux for 37 years: https://code.visualstudio.com/

Except for the file manager, unfortunately yes. I grew tired of Plasma. Good thing is that most of the relevant extensions for GNOME always end up getting support.
It's a shame about the dev community for this though. They're really fucking disgusting individuals.

>>108798581
Not him but no it fucking doesn't.
The last time I had this conversation with someone in here they were trying to conceal the fact they were not using the KDE file picker but rather just Dolphin to prove themselves right. It is akin to the whole "see, GNOME has thumbnails" everytime showing a Nautilus window, rather than the actual file picker before this finally got an update.
So my challenge for you is to show it yourself. Show that you can do this. Finally put it to rest. Read specifically and understand the post you've responded to first, so you have a good idea of it before committing the same mistake. Then post a screenshot or two of that procedure. Go.

>>108798337
let me give you a more elaborated answer.
In GNOME the "Connections" program that I use to remote connect to my work PC with Windows works fine is not perfect but I can copy text and files w/o problems, the KDE alternative KRDC can only copy text not files.
In GNOME taking a screenshot of the screen is fast, the KDE alternative Spectacle is slow to appear. Let alone that, in GNOME taking a screenshot of the current screen is ther, in your face, easy to find, in KDE is not intuitive at all, it is hiden in what it looks like a label but is a dropdown button, not easy to find.
Tried to resize the virtual desktop widget in the panel, you can't. The only options is to turn it vertically to make it takes less space, not what I want, in GNOME is tiny and simple. The dark theme in KDE sucks ass, to many borders lines, some say you can tweak that in a one of the million options it has. I'm not wasting my time with that, GNOME's dark theme is elegant and simple, no anoying borders.
GNOME's apps overview is so damn good, press win key and you can see all the your programs and desktop. KDE bastard alternative is ugly and you have to press win key + w, no thanks.
Searcinh for files is on Nautilus is fastert than in Dolphin.
In Nautilus U can select a PDF, Image, spreadsheet, etc. and press the space bar for a preview of the document, what KDE does is to show you a panel to selecr multiple files, wtf? I'm I just started using yesterday, I'm sure there will be many more.

>>108799892
vs code isn't visual studio you retarded nigger.

>>108799978
They are the exact same thing.

>>108799985
no, they are not. you fucking retard. kill yourself

>>108799992
Sir, please calm yourself. Visual Studio [Code] = Visual Studio Code.

>>108800003
Visual Studio code is a text editor
Visual Studio is an IDE
You're a retarded nigger who should kill himself

If you think KDE is bad right now you either haven't tried it in a pretty long time or are a particular seething jeet.

>>108800025
kde is buggy as fuck

>>108800030
So everyone says but I haven't run into any this year.

>>108800015
Sir, please restrain yourself and lower your heart rate. I can assure you that Visual Studio Code is the same IDE as Visual Studio, and has been for many years now. Products were successfully merged in 2014, to much jubilation and revelry.

>>108800051
i can't even tell if you're trolling

>>108796794
>winblows looks okay but it’s jeet trash
>macos works great but is full of weird ass quirks
>kde is winblows but good
>gnome is macos but shit
Gnome is what happens when somebody personally handpicks the worst out of all choices. All it needs is built-in ads and extra helping of telemetry.

>>108797016
This

>>108797016
Only power users really need a log out button, and if you are a power user, you should know how to type a simple command in your terminal.

>>108800519
Agreed, gui just isn’t necessary for anybody but facebook moms

>>108797022
>using the text editor from your DE in the first place

>>108800093
>gnome is macos but shit
I'd agree -mostly- because Finder shits gracefully on Files and it actually has a lot of features, but if there is one thing macOS should take from GNOME is handling workspaces. Dynamic workspaces are actually fucking genius and macOS can only sort of handle creating extra workspaces on the fly, but not deleting them after you're done (unless it's fullscreen applications).

>>108799928
You saw it yourself. As another Anon ITT said, KDE is better than GNOME ON PAPER, but once you actually use them, you immediately notice all those annoying papercuts in KDE that GNOME simply doesn't have.

On a side note, despite undeniable large amounts of faggotry on the developers' part, GNOME's codebase is surprisingly clean and easy to hack. I have my own GDM fork where I fixed an annoying corner case where the WM/DE selection menu wouldn't fit of you have too many WMs installed.

Also, Qt licensing has always been a gray area, with LTS branches often being proprietary-only: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Qt-6.5-LTS-Commercial-Only Remember, GNOME was started, and eventually got adopted as default by most mainstream distros, precisely because Qt was nonfree at the time.

>>108801010
>but once you actually use them, you immediately notice all those annoying papercuts in KDE that GNOME simply doesn't have
idk man
I use winblows 10, macos 15 (pre-glass) and kde fedora and kde is BY FAR my favorite out of those. Admittedly its been a fair few years since I tried gnome but I have almost no complaints about kde.

>>108798554
Better handling of fractional font scaling than GNOME.

>>108801629
Actually I take this back, it seems to be fine now. Tested Fedora 44/Gnome 50

>>108796794
Kde is better, lxqt is better, cinnamon is better, xfce is about the same, mate is slightly worse

>>108798381
>overly complex and filled with buttons and knobs 99% of its users will never touch
What a shitty argument

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>>108802003
Yep for some reason GNOME 50 fixed a bunch of shit I was always complaining about and that was one of my biggest issues
However there's still some unforgivable shit
>Set scaling to 125%
>Enable captions on icons on Nautilus
>Caption fonts are now distorted
Of course one thing that GNOME has (that Plasma doesn't) is the ability to only change the font scaling factor which is what I used when fractional scaling was dogshit on plasma, but that makes it so that the size on window controls isn't the same in every application

>>108802173
Now the only thing that annoys me is the menu bar, and I hate that it requires running some randos plugin to remove. Not a big fan of the linux desktop in general, so this experiment will be short lived.

Gnome extensions >>> kde applets

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>>108797016
Emmanuele Bassi hasn’t yet seen the use case for ads or writing important system components in React.

>>108804769
GNOME depends on Spidermonkey and begs for cash.

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>>108796794

Sebastian Wick malding.

>>108796977
Why Noctalia and not DMS?
>t. GNOME user