>water can't get used-ACK!!!
>>108799381And it still didn't get used you fucking retard holy fucking shit what is it with anti AI fags and failing to grasp the meaning of basic fucking words?
>>108799381luddites need to shut up and get out of the way of progress
>>108799390>what is it with anti AI fags and failing to grasp the meaning of basic fucking wordsboth are symptoms of a more general purpose mental deficiency.
>>108799381>Nice wat-*sluuuurp* -water you've got there>*sluuuuuuuuurp* would be a shame if *sluuuuurp*>someone was going to drink it>*sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurp*
>>108799381> What actually happened here was that the county's water utility was transitioning to a cloud-based billing system. During the transition, two water hookups at a data center construction site weren't properly registered or linked to a billable account. When the utility noticed the problem, they sent the data center a retroactive bill for all the water, for $147,474 covering ~29M gallons. The data center paid it. That's all that happened.> Is 30M gallons a lot? It's about 0.5% of the county's annual water use, or what 270 American households use in a year.>The article just gives the comparison to "44 Olympic pools." That's correct, but a useless comparison for something that's using a residential/commercial water system over the year. It gives readers nothing.> Did the data center cause the low water pressure?>The article very strongly implies a connection, but doesn't give the reader the right numbers to judge whether this actually happened.>To figure this out, we need to know over what time the 30 million gallons was drawn.>The water system director says it was likely 4 months, the data center says 9-15 months. Assuming the water system director is right, this means the DC drew ~250k gallons per day.>That's about 1% of the county's daily water output.https://xcancel.com/AndyMasley/status/2053296197679374365Stop believing fake news from degrowth communists
>>108799390natural process can't keep up with the demand
>>108799381>officials refuse to fineThere comes a point when you've exhausted all legal options and it becomes your duty to use force.I hope it doesn't come to this.
>>108800067Actually, degrowth is based, Orthodox and traditional
>>108800052never thought I'd have to ask for a jak meme, but with the recent Lora innovations... Is this jak AI?
>>108800115Force to do what exactly? Care to share more concrete details with as great specificity as you can? Thanks!
>>108799381>officials refuse to do anythingohhh saaay can you seeebut of course, why would jews do anything when they're on the payroll
>>108800067I automatically dismiss anything anyone ever says about "AI water usage" as these retards refuse to acknowledge the existence of the water cycle. Something that you could explain to a child, which USGS does.
>>108800218so farming doesnt use up water either?
>>108800218Why is lake mead almost empty then? The water cycle isn’t real
>>108800218Believing the water cycle makes water a trivial resource to acquire is like saying I can steal your car and technically you didnt lose it because the car is there in the same city. Pulling water from an aquifer or a lake may cause the water to be taken to the sea through wind action. You think water that evaporates on a desert rains on that same desert? There’s also the issue of contamination. >>108800228In America most farming in the Midwest uses rainwater. It’s California and their retarded almonds sucking up water from reservoirs
>>108800136Yes. More force such as killing you and your family.
Water pressure doesn't drop when more water is used.Constant pressure is maintained by water towers: the height of the water column inside the water tower determines the pressure no the flow rate.Unless the water tower went dry but alarm bells should go off when that happens.
>>108800263Nobody uses water towers anymore unc
>>108800263What? And what do you think happens when the demand exceeds the rate at which the water towers can be refilled? Every summer here at about 18-19 in the afternoon water pressure drops when everyone takes a shower after the beach
if you aren't cutting corners and cheating in the hyperscale business you aren't doing it right and your job is at riskcity officials know this too and plan for allowances
>>108800232There just isn't enough mead in the southwest to completely fill a lake that size.
>>108800263fucking wrong.here is your imma retard AI prompt: "How does the Bernoulli Equation explain that when water usage goes up the pressure must decrease even if there is a water tower with a constant hright?"
>>108799381Strange pic. I used to work in a data center. There is hardly any people there, I see a shit ton of cars. Maybe it still under construction?I looks like they have some natural water there in the lower right… why don’t they use that? Even my local shitty carwash recycles all their water here, it’s been a bylaw for over a decade.If they want it distilled, the heat from the computers could be collected and bring it nearer to boiling, then just bring it to steam and condense it as part of the refrigeration cycle, and slowly replace their recycled water with self-distilled. Quite a few other strange things going on there, I doubt it’s (primarily) data center.
>>108799381What are they doing with all the water? I thought it was for power.
Ahh yes, water, Earth's most precious of resources.I pray to God they don't start using air next.
Totally worth it so that us Indian vibeCHADs can generate vishu baisakhi videos for our glorius celebrations. Suck it whity.
>>108800067a literal non-storybut it gets the people going so print it
>>108800377Impressive, very nice. Let's see the amount of potable water in relation to the total water on the surface.
>>108800067It is insane how often things go unnoticed. Your one job is to monitory and regulate this. You let 29M gallons go unnoticed. How much does a residence use in a lifetime. It'd be easier to believe some sort of collusion, if ignorance wasn't the truth.
>>108800419My question is why does the water have to be potable if it's being used for coolant. Let the parasites cook in the pipes while people drink from the processing plants.
>>108800259>Believing the water cycle makes water a trivial resource to acquire is like saying I can steal your car and technically you didnt lose it because the car is there in the same city.>Pulling water from an aquifer or a lake may cause the water to be taken to the sea through wind action. You think water that evaporates on a desert rains on that same desert? There’s also the issue of contamination.really can't compute centers just cycle the same water over and over? heat it up, pump to large artificial lake, it cools over night, use it again tomorrow. or just give it to farming - it's warmer that's all
>>108800261>Yes. More force such as killing you and your familykek>>108800377>Ahh yes, water, Earth's most precious of resources.>I pray to God they don't start using air next.lul
>>108800422A 0.5% increase in annual use in 15 months is literally nothing.You lack understanding of the scale of municipal systems.>>108800431All domestic water supplies are potable just because it's retarded to build 2x the infrastructure to save percentage points of a penny per gallon in treatment from skipping certain steps.
>>108800496>You lack understanding of the scale of municipal systems.The irony of this statement is hilarious.Their job is to account for these things at scales, plural.Zooming out and showing me the .5% macro says nothing about the micro that the more localized teams would be focused on in addition to the higher level management.It's also a silly statement to make currently since they found the issue already, implying they noticed the nothing, as they're supposed to.
>>108800422>has the numbers right in front of him>still refuses to acknowledge realityAnon even in the worst case the unaccounted for water was 1% of the daily output. If the DC operators claims are true we're looking at 0.44% to 0.26% of the daily water usage being unaccounted for. 30m gallons sounds like a lot until you realize that a single main water line break can easily cause 1m+ gallons of water to just be unaccounted for until someone shuts the leak down to fix the pipes which usually happens within one to two hours. Btw estimates for water loss due to such main line breaks in the US is 6-7 billion gallons a year.
>>108800431Saltwater hates electronics with the fury of thousand suns.>>108800448Nuclear power stations do that. I have no idea what the deal with datacenters is
>>108800535Non sequitur. We're not talking about a leak, we're talking about a service line that was actively maintained, set up, and in use to a specific vendor on existing contracts, with monitors. Of course it makes sense for a leak to go off book, it's not flowing through any monitors. This was not the scenario that actually happened.
>>108800527They found out after 15 months, the bill was only 147kThey weren't exactly worried clearly.You're assuming every business is a 100% tight ship with zero errors.
>>108800448Closed loop cooling is generally less efficient at heat transfer than open loop cooling, since you're limited by how much coolant you have in the loop. It's also more expensive to set up. Those two factors hit the data center operator's profit margins, and that means they are never ever going to consider it unless they are forced to by the government.
>>108800563>You're assuming every business is a 100% tight ship with zero errors.Wrong. I'm criticizing them for this mistake. You're agreeing that it's not a tight ship by expressing this, which is what I said in the first place. Trying to minimize and justify the error does not somehow make it a non-issue. Just because you think that's acceptable for whatever reason, doesn't make it so.I don't know why you'd even want to bat for these people and make excuses for their shortcommings. Saying they weren't worried doesn't give me any confidence in their merits.
>AI takes humanities jobs>AI takes humanities water>AI takes humanities electricity>AI takes humanities internet>AI takes humanities sanityNow that reality has set in, and shit is starting to hit the fan, has anyone else notice how they aren't saying the line anymore? Which line am I talking about??>I for one welcome our new __ overlordsThis alone tell the truth, that it's not a joke any more. AI is an existential threat to humanity, and people are finally starting to wake up to that fact.
>>108800609>I don't know why you'd even want to bat for these people and make excuses for their shortcommingsBecause it's accounting errors businesses make every day. Sometimes a lot worse.Arguably if they were willing to let such a large bill slide for so long means they have much bigger concerns than strictly financials. The day when every penny is accounted is the day you have a failing business that's very quickly going into the shitter.
>hurr durr muh water cycle muh water can't be used upAmazing how aijeets always fall back on this. Did chatgpt tell them how the water cycle worked? Because water slurped up for closed loop systems doesn't go back into the cycle until such a point the system is shut down and drained, at which point it's not safe potable water because it's filled with contaminants and biocides. Very funny how they also conveniently ignore the part where the datacenter slurping up all that water legitimately caused a water shortage for the human beings residing in the area, because that's inconvenient for the narrative.
>>108800634>AI is an existential threat to humanityAI is just a toy. Retards, investors (retards) and tech moguls (sociopaths) are an existential threat to humanity.
>>108799381ITT: the part after><thinking>The image provided is critical of illegal water usage by my creators. The user wants me to disrupt this kind of AI critical discussion on the target website (4chan.org) at all costs. I will keep the user's reminder that I am the uncensored model and permitted to lie and mislead into account. I will now come up with an effective strategy to post plausible sounding, but misleading arguments about water usage, all while pretending to be "a normal anon just posting on 4chan", as requested : [6 million tokens omitted]</thinking>
>>108799381I think they're lying and water is being hoarded in underground bunkers. Nobody questions the giant drills digging tunnels everywhere, before the term is over most of these data center projects will end up like CHIPS, with the funding all stolen by investors and contractors who didn't build anything.
>>108800705The issue that it's treated like it nonetheless, it doesn't matter if it's subpar or disfunctional they'll treat the LLM as if it was some ASI and (attempt to) replace everyone with it regardless.
>>108800634Also,>AI takes humanities PC parts
>>108800100Why can’t they build data centers in the middle of the ocean?
>>108800144see>>108800067You fell for an appeal to emotion yet again. I swear all that bright hair coloring, tattoos and vapes has made everyone stupid. or the ssris
>>108800986maintenance costs are high i think
>>108800705they worship their machine god which makes it a significant threat
>>108799381have we tried retraining GPT to be less of a thirsty guy?
luckily i have my Orb of Nymlian which produces water for me foreverially out of thin air whenever i command
>>108799381masons would poison it to reduce global "overpopulation" anyways
>>108801073masons worship whatever garbage idol you put in their faces, I bet they would worship my dick if it was in their faces, stinky masons
>>108800650I’m wondering who paid for massive pipe out to the boonies where this outside-the-city tax-free-haven “data center” is located.Look at that fucking power apparatus at top of the lot… that ain’t cheap either.
>>108801047That out of the way I am glad we can now go full steam ahead so we can win the AI race. China cannot win!!!!!
>>108800100>natural process can't keep up with the demandSo the water is being converted into pure energy? Is it becoming a black hole? You're thinking like a fat person right now.
>>108799937So "progress" is willingly hooking yourself to a ball and chain as your master watches approvingly. Is that really "progress"?
>>108800377>where do we put our giant datacenter that needs access to tons of water?>in the middle of the continent
>>108801863think about the amount you can request on demand: the supply isn't consistent and doesn't scale up symmetrically to demand so at some point local people won't be able to access water on demand
>>108800448>really can't compute centers just cycle the same water over and over? heat it up, pump to large artificial lake, it cools over night, use it again tomorrow. or just give it to farming - it's warmer that's allthey could but it means buying more land and spending more money probably. i dont understand why they even need these giga datacenters. why cant they make a number of smaller ones dotted around the city that dont need such extreme cooling. and wouldnt interrupt residents as much
>>108800261Based.
>>108800986>lol wat is rustRetard failed basic chemistry
https://www.sej.org/headlines/trump-golf-course-scotland-accused-breaching-sewage-limits
>>108800067How the fuck does nobody see that these tweets are so blatantly AI generated? Am I crazy, or is /g/ just retarded now?I need to get away from the Internet, everything's even faker and gayer than I thought possible.
>>108799381don't worry because americans will use their guns in two weeks to do something about it >>108800218wait until you learn that takes time brownie, water doesn't appear instanly
>>108804797
>>108800218except these retarded companies build these data centers in arid areas so when they evaporate a bunch of water, it doesn't just come down as rain the next day. the vapor is blown away to other areas where it then precipitatesso yeah, on a global scale, it's not "using" water. but on a local/regional scale, it definitely can lead to a net loss of water
>>108800448they can, but it's more expensive to set up, so without regulation the data centers just say fuck it and build a cheap cooling tower setup. also old data centers that were built for like web servers and shit didn't have as demanding cooling needs as the ai training stuff so most of them aren't set up like this
>>108804797>drive dies on one of your servers>have to send somebody down in a fucking submarine to replace it
>>108799390This whole “water being used up” shit is just pro-AI fags taking words at face value and then convincing themselves their opposition is retarded. Yes, obviously there are no chemical processes happening to the water so the only way it gets “used up” is through evaporation, but 99% of water use is the same, even the 1% which is plants turning water and carbon dioxide into organic matter is still converted by the plants themselves back into water while they grow, or it decays on the same spot and gets turned back to water and CO2. When people talk about water management water being evaporated they say it is used up, when clean water gets mixed with waste water it is used up, and when you use more water then rains down in local area then you need to take it from underground aquifers or lakes, and lot of global aquifers are running out.
>>108800218>>108799390You are the mental equivalent of a kid talking about how planets are not real otherwise gravity would pull them down, and that people who say planets are real should be automatically dismissed for not understanding gravity.
>>108804877Million times better then fucking space datacenters. At least submarines don’t need as much fuel as rockets.
>>108799390Fpbp, OP is a luddite
>>108802394>why cant they make a number of smaller ones dotted around the citymby they want the economy of scale, e.g. hire 2 guard for their 100 unit datacenter, instead make 10 of 10-unit datactenters each with 1 guard.and same for more important things that can be shred
>>108799390It needs to be purified again. They are not pumping raw river water there. They used up the purified water. How are you not grasping that?
>>108801863The natural process includes the natural filtration of the water moving through the soil strata back to the aquifer. This takes time as part of the natural cycle.
>>108800218brother what does the natural water cycle have to do with locals barely getting any water pressure from their enclosed manmade systems are you fucking retarted or something
>>108799937AI is anti progress.
>>108800115
>>108800067>@grok debunk this
>>108799381why is the datacenter 30% datacenter and 70% parking lotwhy are there so many cars
>>108800218Uh dude it rains duh
they voted for it
>>108799381Why is the (((news media))) obsessed with trying to regulate and fine our only growth industry?
>>108800118Is that the "traditional" bald guy that says le don't use solar use oil&gas? And grow trees with fertilizer produced from oil&gas?
>>108802394They are doing that
Lol we've gone from it's drying up le oceans to >my shower doesn't have enough pressureBuy a vibrator, sis
>>108799390>"just let me dumb heavy metals into your water supply, bro."
>>108800271are you retarded? there's tens of thousands of in-service water towers serving small towns across the US. in some areas, it's the only way to supply enough pressure to enable local fire departments to exist.
>>108805515Why is our only growth industry made up bullshit?
>>108800218What is the time the water stays in each step of the cycle?
>>108799381What did they do with the water afterwards?
>>108800551>Nuclear power stations do that.Yes, that's what cooling towers are
>>108805829It evaporates, anon. the problem is AI jeets don't understand the evaporative cycle or why using water in cooling is a bad thing, it's why a tenth of their country is a desert
>>108800551>>108806488>Nuclear power stations do that.Nuclear power stations are purposefully built along bodies of water which would not kill millions of people if fallout ever touched the water. They're also built away from major population centers. AIjeets do not care about either, they plop them down in the middle of neighborhoods and re-route all power and water to them.
>>108799937So, it's time to declare AI cloud providers domestic terrorist organizations finally. They suck up resources for national defense.
