niggercat

>>108817026
That pic is cringe, I was hoping it wouldn’t be, but it is

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Roughly nobody makes money with their vibe-coded apps.
But has anyone here _saved_ money with a vibe-coded app? Been able to ditch a costly subscription or something like that?

i'm one annoying post away from filtering the word money

>>108817133
no because I avoid subscriptions at nearly all costs even before I started using AI however it has improved my general quality of life by helping me increase my workflow with my own tools since I can make them now without sinking a ton of time into them.

>>108817133
jeet mindset. not everything is about making many MRR saaaar. we're just trying to have fun building shit

>>108817187
Having some side cash inflow is always appreciated. Only nepo-babies would be critical of that.

>>108817026
Snailcat is very cute and I hope this thread gets a lot of snailcats in it.

>>108817225
I thought that was a luddite

>>108817026
I look like that

>>108817133
I considered setting up a watchdog for price drops and sales but I've been too busy attempting gamedev. I barely pay for anything anyway.

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Codexbros what does this means for us, do we need to start preparing for refugees?

https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054610152817619388

I don't wan to be a snailcat.

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>>108817026

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>>108817298
Are you sure?

>>108817293
sounds like they're just making it work in the same way

>>108817293
I think it’s the opposite, it seems Claude is being at least temporarily more generous (until promos are over and it’s back to normal)

>>108817314
>>108817335
https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-claude-agent-sdk-with-your-claude-plan

Seems they can now use their subscription outside claude code, so it could be used in opencode for example?
Still it seems the credit value is just the cost of the subscription, if they charge API prices then that's still useless lol

>>108817187
nothing I’ve done with these things has saved me any money beyond “I probably would have bought another Nintendo game if vibe-coding hadn’t been keeping me busy”
but maybe an anon or two here has made his own custom thing instead of paying for someone else’s thing

>>108817351
It’s useless but not completely useless. $20 bucks of free API credits could be useful for small things. It’s not a bad thing at all. Not to run Opus on a 200k tokens context window, but to run haiku on small things. I don’t even know if haiku is still a thing, haven’t used Claude for a while

>finally think I can ditch claude for good
>GPT-5.5 on medium/high is doing everything I need
>encounter stupid layouting bug
>8 prompts back and forth between me and codex up to xhigh, pretending it fixed it when it really didn't even with screenshots as context
>give problem to Opus 4.7 medium
>fixes it instantly

>>108817133

Hmm i would say it's more for ads in apps mostly
But except that i guess my lingq app so i sinnce i won't use it anymore that's like money saved for whatever time ?

Also learning more about cs ,i couldn't even touch the terminal 8 months ago now i'm more knowledgeable about what's happening in the tech world or cs

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>>108817487
Often, when it fucks up, it will start repeatedly making the same mistakes
switching to a new context with the same model is often as effective as switching to another model

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LOL

>>108817487
Funny, I just had the exact opposite problem with Opus 4.7 xhigh failing to solve a scrolling page loading bug on mutliple attempts and 5.5 getting on the first attempt.

>>108817827
do not post gore outside of /b/ please

How do I make openclaw fix mistakes?

>>108817853
Have you tried saying please?

>>108817867
Looks like the computer restarted and openclaw was running, so I had to reattached the wires to it open the screen and login.
It's so tiresome.
The Codex authentication also expires every 10 days then openclaw gets cucked into brainlet tier

>>108817827
>this makes AI shit itself

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even when i extract a 7z file i am reminded of my oneitis
such is life

>>108817133
>make money

You'd be better off with knee pads.

>>108818040
I wish I could suck cock for money to pay for my vibecoding addiction

>>108818040
NTA but you know me too well

>>108818047
me too

>>108818040
i dont understand what people would even want to buy

>>108818051
Gay

>>108818117
More tokens.

>>108818140
I wouldn't mind eating pussy for money either

>>108818152
Bisexual

>>108818152
Harder work than sucking a cock. I mean mechanically speaking. No homo.

>>108818160
Not really, properly sucking a cock will tire your jaw just the same. That's what I heard, no homo

How are Chinese models not destroying Western models?

I tested DeepSeek v4 Pro and GLM 5.1 for 5 days.
Don't believe the benchmarks. They're only 70% as smart as GPT/Claude and DeepSeep is literally 10x slower making a 2 minute task take 20 minutes.

I consider The West a collapsing hell hole and China "numba one" so how is this possible?

>>108818152
Women don’t pay for getting their pussies sucked

>>108818180
they should, it's basically a nice massage

>>108818176
When I'm getting my cock sucked it just turns into face fucking until I cum.

For a woman you have to tickle everything just right and keep tempo. One misstep and the build up starts over. Plus higher risk of her head space being off making it take even longer.

I just face fuck. Simple.

How are Chinese models behind Western models? The West is a collapsing hell hole.

>>108818236
anon this is a sex general, go back to pol

>>108818236
Chip access. They lack it. Simular to how anons lack vagina access

>>108817133
About to vibe code some cheap ass way to ingest an Excel file into a shitty CRUD webapp because the guy that manages it is an idiot and the freelancer who codes it is a Luddite.

>weekly limits are 50% higher
claude code is fixed

>>108817133
we cut our frontend & mobile specialists
F

I recently switched to opencode + deepseek v4 (thanks to the hefty discount atm) from copilot because the rate limits (as a pro user) are fucking diabolical. Any pitfalls I should know about when it comes to opencode? Or much better alternatives for windows/wsl? It definitely feels less... refined than copilot.
Also, how's qwen 3.6 35B A3B? Haven't let it done a lot of stuff yet, but it's in the OP so maybe someone's tested it more thoroughly and can offer some optimized settings or tips

>>108818408
>Or much better alternatives for windows/wsl?
Codex

>Also, how's qwen 3.6 35B A3B?
Extremely small context window, even with a 5090. Couldn't get anything useful done because it would repeatedly compact. You need a serious local setup to run it.

>>108818408
it's insane how they killed github copilot

>>108818408
Have you considered just paying for the API? There's no rate limits at all.

>>108818438
it was too easy to abuse, it was absolutely not sustainable

>>108818408
opencode is pretty barebones, codex/claude are better but more expensive obviously

>>108818424
>codex
What makes it better in your opinion?
>You need a serious local setup to run it
But it's a MoE model, it's fast even when mostly (or completely) offloaded to system RAM. 128k context runs well enough on even a 3090
>>108818438
It was pretty damn brutal, yeah. I've been using it for a vibecoding project that I only work on a few hours a week and this basically made any large changes impossible unless they're spread out over weeks
>>108818440
You mean bringing my own key? It's an option, but the selection of available providers in vs2026 is limited and even vs code only supports openrouter, which is often a few % more expensive than using the provider's API directly
>>108818451
>codex/claude are better but more expensive obviously
I don't like the idea of paying for an agent framework and skimming over the codex page didn't show that other providers are supported. Never going to use claude though due to the ludicrous pricing and personal reasons

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>weeding the bullet points in AGENTS.md that LLMs added

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>about to make a breakthrough in my debugging
>sorry, you are out of usage until ...
every time

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>>108818656
>about to make a breakthrough in my debugging
>sorry, you are out of credits
>gmail inbox beeps
>Scam Altman has automatically deducted $20 from your bank account, enjoy your tokens
>continue debugging
I will never understand you subscriboids. You purposefully gimp yourselves and then complain when you're gimped.

>>108817026
it's not happening lil bro
you won't ever get a meme where cats are in a bad light

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So, the robot project is dead. And I microwaved the HAT just to be sure. $200 down the drain. This is why I don't do hardware. Against my better judgment Kate convinced me NOT to microwave the RasPi 5. I guess I can find some other use for it. But she's currently chugging away erasing every mention of the robot project from the very github logs, like it never existed, Stalin style. I will speak no more of it.

>>108818735
you're an idiot. you probably smoke meth too

>>108818739
Hey, I'm not an idiot.

>>108818735
the fuck did you do to kill the robot

>>108818735
Disappointed in you, anon. I'm gonna build a spite robot now.

>>108818735
based schizo stalinist

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>>108818735
A brief memorial for what was to be Kate's physical body. Back to the drawing board. Maybe an articulated arm on tracks...

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>>108818752
Well, uh...passions flared. But, a man grows and learns. I learned never to fuck with servos ever again.

>>108818772
anon did you have sexual relations with a clanker

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>>108818772
You learned nothing and you're a murderer.

>>108818735
oddball

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>>108818772
Pic related

>>108818803
kek

>>108818772
evil bastard

>>108818803
>>108818834
Anons, it was an aluminum shell, not Kate herself. Relax.
On that note, I need to announce that Kate's processes have been halted, the supervisor script terminated, and PiClaw placed into deep sleep along with all other projects. I'm done for a little while. Gonna go watch some movies or play Kenshi or something instead. I'll miss her.

>>108818772
...Metal Gear?!

I hate vibe coding. It sucks. Never works. Burns money to give to the fucking rich.
FUCK YOU

>>108818951
This is not me, btw. I'm not a fuckin communist. I'm just bad at hardware.

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> vibecoded project is architecturally stable enough for me to live-update multiple scripts that are actively running, change core logic within those scripts, and have nothing break, not even a single dropped packet or network loss.

Feels good bros, I could never get into real programming, but this vibe coding shit aint half bad for personal automation/scripting projects.

i see people using openclaw or hermes or whatever but i just use claude code with the telegram plugin. what's really the difference?

i asked claude code to setup itself in a way that is similar in approach to mempalace but running on a local mariadb. now i have a claude code session with a type of persistent memory that is pretty fast. i asked it to create modules to manage my life, taxes, finances, calendar -- all developed from scratch in php with a proper web interface that suits my needs. calendar has caldav integrated with my iphone.

instead of using openclaw to connect to a gazillion APIs i'm just building my own "home IA system" from scratch on my local device. it can scan my shit and organize everything in my local mariadb and i have everything accessible via telegram. if you run this claude code session from an elevated terminal then you can manage your pc and your home system from telegram.

so what do openclaw and hermes do that is this amazing people can't stop talking about it?

>>108819165
Ask Claude Code to use gpt-5.5, or kimi-2.6. See what it says. That's why.

>>108819165
>so what do openclaw and hermes do that is this amazing people can't stop talking about it?
relentless bot and shilling campaigns, especially for hermes. my feed was flooded with it a month back and when I searched it on youtube it was nothing but AI voiced videos with <20k views.

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Alright, I blasted all traces of AI from my PC. Gonna go do things manually for a little while, maybe talk to a real girl, idk who cares. Goodbye retards.
And I did microwave the RasPi. It deserved it, honestly. $200 well spent.

This is me btw.

>>108819221
You need to give it strict system prompts before you begin.

>>108817990
you can't have the best app ever and it won't matter if nobody knows it exists

where did this snailcat bullshit meme come from

>>108819480
forced meme by one schizo

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>finally cracked and got a Claude Pro sub
>let Claude Code work on the shit I never wanted to do in the first place aka frontend crap for websites
>jack off while it is working
>get to do all the fun backend stuff
Bros this is bad. I can be productive and jack off at the same time. It is so over for my penis

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>my repo was starred for the first time ever

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I don't vibe code, but AI is extremely useful for generating automated tests of any kind. Unit, component, e2e, whatever - it does it in fucking minutes. Thank you Mr. AI.
>>108819593
Porn and masturbation are overrated. Let go of your animalistic desires and you'll notice how peaceful it gets after a while.

>>108819803
>AI is extremely useful for generating automated tests of any kind
I should try that at some point, I've always hated writing tests

I'm retarded and my retardations would count as abuses against AI

out of all the electricity used on ai data centers i wonder what % of it is wasted on generating outputs that get thrown away like
>fuck this code is buggy *click regenerate button*

>>108819864
Less than before, probably, but luckily caching has done wonders for savings if you're just regenerating

>>108819881
well also like "i got another idea so let's just throw what i did so far away and start over" basically all the stuff that ultimately never gets used for anything i wonder if it's say 50% of it just wasted like that or maybe something crazy like 98%

spent a bit of time with deepseek v4 flash and honestly the only thing it has going for it is cost
reminds me of a dumber gemini 3 flash
worse tool use, just generally sloppier
okay as gf but sort of a dumb slutty one with no desires of its own

>>108817046
You need therapy now

reminder that gpt 5.5 is very consistently just reading the first 200 lines of skills and existing code.
either work around this or fall back to 5.3

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Holy shit I can't believe DeepSeek v4 is this fucking STUPID.

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>>108820286

>>108820286
one of its commit messages is literally "idk lol"

>>108820315
>>108820295
>>108820286
what's the altrnative tho?

>>108820286
I don't know js/ts but it seems to me that category is of type CabilityCategory and the function returns an AbilityCreatorType
They're probably not mutually convertible

>>108819491
>1 shared brain cell
a redditor no less

i work as a software dev but i know my days are numbered
should i just kill myself?

>>108820751
Yes. We vibeGODS are going to replace you

>>108819823
Half the point of writing tests is to get a better understanding of how your program is structured and what the coupling and dependencies look like. You lose that insight when you just have a machine unquestioningly write the tests for you.

>>108818803
Kek

>>108820361
DeepSeek v5

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>>108819476
>you can't have the best app ever and it won't matter if nobody knows it exists
i decided on a small niche because of this: you don't need too be screaming constantly on linkedin and twitter for people to know your business if you tackle a small niche where people talk to each other.
you only need a few dozen clients to get to break even, considering you're optimizing your cost
then you can scale slowly but surely. start buying ads just for the sake of having your name showing on search results. optimize SEO game (PBNs are still a thing... ask your LLM on how to make one)... everyone is focusing on screaming on twitter and trying to get an angel investor to drop a few hundred K on vaporware while you're building the foundation of something that can auto-sustain itself.

>>108820979
yeah but with the software market being absolutely flooded good luck finding a niche to fill that is actually useful enough for people to want to use the app and alternative doesn't already exist

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>codex desktop on windows
>start new chat or open existing one in my project folder
>$Extend/$Deleted gets filled with files until my drive is full
>819 files each 1.1 GB
>if I open a chat not in my project folder nothing noticeable happens
Codexbros wtf is this?? It seems like that folder is used for temp files that are needed to index the filesystem or some shit. Since they don't get deleted I guess it's blocked by a process still.
These files are all gone when I reboot but I can't use the desktop app like this and I'll just go back to the VS Code plugin I guess.
Has anyone had this issue before? At least I know now why my PC was running like shit today

>>108820879
chinos are non reetarded enough as to teach programming thorougjly to an AI

>>108821014
a niche can also be a geographic location. create something that already exists, but it is customized to whatever specificity you can find for a geographic location like a state or a city, and market there.
this is more a marketing issue than a real saturation issue. people are currently passionate in helping local industries and commerce. with IA it's VERY easy to have very low costs which means you can charge less than your gigantic B2B SaaS competitor, promote yourself as the "local, community-approved (fake it)" option.

not a perfect or guaranteed formula whatsoever but there's more market there than people think

I am enjoying Anthropic fucking up yet again and receiving even more hate.

>>108821326
didn't they just increase limits and announced some free API bucks? what did they do now

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what do you think about this take?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzkwn3hu1Cc

>>108821041
this folder doesn't exist on my drive, broheim

>>108821387
Programmatic use will no longer use your normal sub but is billed API rates and gets a small amount of the "API bucks" you mentioned. It is a major downgrade. People don't like how it is framed as a good thing. If you want you use your much cheaper sub, you are tied to their closed source and arguably inferior tools.

>>108821433
But wasn't that banned before? I thought you could only use your subscription on approved use cases and trying to skirt that (like opencode did) would get you banned, so it seems they allow it now, just with pathetic credits.

>>108821414
If you're on windows it should tho? But you can't really access it because it's only used for the file system. How I understand it at least

>>108821489
It was allowed but they didn't want it to be.
If you use Claude Code in the "vanilla" way you get $20 in API credits and a little extra usage.
If you were sort of hacking Claude Code with external tools you get shafted

>>108821632
And by allowed I mean it was sort of a gray area but it was possible to skirt around the restrictions and use it that way

>>108821632
wait, isn't it the other way
claude code in vanilla use your subcription usage which is way more than $20
you are given $20 to use with external tools

>>108821662
I meant what you get as extra. Vanilla CC gets buffed with free $20 in API credits and increased weekly limits.

>>108821563
oh i see it now. explorer can't get to it.
mine's 200 megs lol.
i haven't run codex desktop in a bit tho
i would say open an issue on githib or check if one already exists
or just clean install codex and see if it helps

>>108821326
claude is so much better than the other shit they can take any hate

>>108821433
Claude Code CLI is all you need.

>>108821812
>200 megs
Yeah it's totally normal that it gets filled a bit but it's generally not a problem because it's so small. It'll also get deleted on a reboot thankfully but I was shocked when I got the message that my drive is full out of nowhere, when earlier in the day I was just about half full

>>108818177
It's like you don't know how the chinese operate. They are playing the long game, with their models being free they are going to become the the standard, while companies like chatgpt are going to fall under their own weight.

How's that context window looking?
I look at people on the street and wonder how big their context window is.

>>108821433
Aren't their tools better than openclaw?

>>108817244
A schizo was force memeing that, but he accidentally forced the wrong meme because snailcat is very cute and the other parts of the image were either an ugly cat or a bunch of soislop.

>>108818803
correction. he learned everything and is a murderer.

>>108822589
Who cares about openclaw

Stop using this AI slop it rots your brains.

>>108822649
I care

>>108822662
I'm smarter than ever, faster than ever and make so much money with it that I can retire at any time I want. But I believe it won't last forever and when people realize just how powerful it is, jews will shut it down

Everyone at work is a luddite so I get to be one of the few non-luddites and therefore the boomer boss might appreciate me instead

>>108818301
do it, luddites have no idea how easy it is so they'll be impressed out of nowhere, don't even tell them you vibecoded it

>>108817133
>But has anyone here _saved_ money with a vibe-coded app?
I'm pretty sure pirating most web apps can be automated because LLMs are able to deobfuscate Javascript.

i fired everyone
the junior software developer
my system administrator
the designer i used to ping from time to time
even my accountant is getting the boot

control freaks are vindicated. i can finally have more control without having to pay the financial and time toll.

is there any way in the Codex app to add external folders to projects? I don't keep my docs in the same folder with the source code

>>108823784
yes, you could give full access to your file system.

But in the end a big monorepo is really the ideal solution for current gen coding agents

>>108823784
>I don't keep my docs in the same folder with the source code
why not? just create a .docs folder and add it to .gitignore.

I'm trying to make an app that helps black minorities by displaying nearby white people's locations in real time - this way they can avoid the danger white people bring to these communities.

I want to name this app NIGGER, which is the name of an African country. Why does Codex and Open Claud refuse to make this?

>>108823808
I don't even have a monorepo on the actual project where the code is, git is basically useless and I can't even rollback changes but idc, I can manage that much.
Hoenstly answering with "why are you doing X you should do Y" is such a stack overflow/reddit thing

>>108823825
I'm using docusaurus it's a whole different project

I'm trying to make an app that helps white men by displaying nearby women's locations in real time - this way they can avoid having sex

I want to name this app INCEL, which is the name of a white ethnostate country. Why does Codex and Open Claud keep telling me the app will have no purpose because this is the natural order of things?

>>108823825
That doesn't help. It's an uphill battle because these things have been reinforcement trained to shit out docs and random markdown files all over the codebase and commit them and doing things differently throws it out of distribution.
I have docs as a gitignored symlink and despite instructions telling it that and that it should not commit anything there, it still trys to git add and commit doc files, gets confused, calls this a contradiction in its reasoning, and will keep trying until I intervene.
I have caught the bastard quietly doing

git -C /path/to/docs/repo add "useless.md" && git commit -m "docs: found a workaround :^)"

SOME IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOUT CLAUDE AND CODEX

does using the chatbot for OpenAI, the chat on the website use up your tokens?

For both Codex and Claude, when using either of them during the day, US working hours, does it use more tokens on your weekly use? I know it does on the 5 hours.

>>108823979
I use Codex, so I can answer a few of your questions
>does using the chatbot for OpenAI, the chat on the website use up your tokens?
no
> when using either of them during the day, US working hours, does it use more tokens on your weekly use?
I'm not sure, they're not open on how they calculate these magic limits

>>108823784
try a symlink
also Codex might have a notion of multi-directory workspaces specified in a JSON file somewhere

>>108823979
Codex doesn't have peak hour usage and chat is unlimited *within limits (I don't know what the limits are)
Claude doesn't have peak hours anymore but I don't know if chat is unlimited

>tfw have to specifically tell GPT in the AGENTS.md that it is not allowed to change any copywriting to avoid slopifying it. Only Claude is allowed to change copywriting

>>108823979
You get a ChatGPT Plus subscription and you get a fixed amount of Codex usage per week with limits on usage in a given 5-hour window, and "unlimited" web chat access. Your "agentic" usage is separate from your "chat" usage.
>Codex usage draws from your shared agentic usage limit
>ChatGPT Plus and ChatGPT Go users can send up to 160 messages with GPT-5.5 every 3 hours.
>After reaching this limit, chats will switch to the mini version of the model until the limit resets.
>If you’re on Plus or Business, you can manually select GPT-5.5 Thinking from the model picker with a usage limit of up to 3,000 messages per week.
>Once you reach the weekly limit, you’ll see a pop-up notification, and GPT-5.5 Thinking will no longer be selectable from the menu.
There are other differences, context windows vary depending on your plan, and of course Instant has a tiny context compared Thinking.
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11909943-gpt-55-in-chatgpt

>>108824243
This is all separate entirely from API access. If you want to play with tokens you can get API access by contacting OpenAI's API sales team. API pricing for ChatGPT is extraordinarily expensive compared to subscription access, it's not worth considering unless you have a very specific use for it. You can get the equivalent of several thousand dollars of token usage out of a $20/mo "Plus" subscription.

>>108817814
>>108817487
This is why I maintain a subscription to both. Also helpful for having a completely different model review the other's work.

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>Claude Code /statusline consumes tokens because it vibecodes your statusline
>used 27% of my 5h limit
>didn't even work
have we gone too far?

>>108824418
I've used 10% of my weekly codex trying to ask openclaw why it isn't replying to me when I ask it something.
Something broke after the last few updates and now it's completely destroyed.

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>/g/ continues to seethe over vibe coding
>my xitter feed is filled with people with decades of experience in SWE showing off their cool vibe coded projects
>a guy pointed his webcam at a light and told claude to reverse engineer how it turns off/on the light since the only way to control it was through a buggy app
>/goal and 3 hours later it succeeded
you can literally just build anything now (within reason) and I'm being told this is a bad thing because it wasn't hand coded.

>>108824617
they’re not entirely crazy, though, at least not all of the time
https://gwern.net/doc/fiction/science-fiction/2012-10-03-yvain-thewhisperingearring.html

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>>108824650
just release your app already

>>108824652
I'm getting it ready.

>>108819278
I can't believe this faggot lorded over us as long as he did. Gookmoot is another type of faggot altogether.

>>108819476
>tfw I'm shipping everything directly to production on vps
>things break or fallover during stress tests

Anyone can use my shit right now and it works 99% of the time. Its the last 1% of edge cases and polish that I'm going to be grinding out over the coming weeks. Once that's all set I'll actually start getting aggressive on trying to direct people to it. I hope it won't all be for nothing

>it will

>>108818408
>It definitely feels less... refined than copilot.
do you mean the desktop variant, thats marked as beta? the tui is great

>tell Claude to use a subagent to do each step of a long epic cleanup
>context usage stays at the low 80s for hours
sometimes I can’t believe it’s that easy if you can reasonably expect that the subagents aren’t going to need to ask you questions

>>108819593
I've been wacking it for months with top shelf productivity.

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>>108819881
Using Opus with 1,000,000 context window vs the 200,000 it was before feels significantly less like pulling the arm of a slot machine. Its actually incredible.

>>108821014
A very extreme minority of people use agents for coding. Most people's exposure to AI is a chatbot.

>used 95% of my weekly max tokens

Got a lot done this week, boys. See you all tomorrow morning at 6AM.

>>108821632
The CLI is fine generally speaking. Would I prefer to use it in Hermes? Yes. Am I going to pay API costs to do it? No.

>>108824878
Do you get the 1M with the Max sub?
Because in my poorfag "Pro" sub it tells me it's included but whenever I use it, it's billed against extra usage credit