WTF my family's second cabin is up there. This isn't really a technology issue though.

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>>108819288
Luddites BTFO. We vibeGODS won

>>108819301
I need you to understand that if you have a cabin up there and you are not doing standalone solar+battery, you're a fuckin idiot who hates money

>degrading American living standards to third world levels so Indians can make memes
based

>>108819344
Lakes must be drained, and you must conserve your electricity usage to 4-6 hours a day if we are to beat China. It's a sacrifice red blooded Americans should be willing to make.

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>>108819288
don't worry because americans have hundreds of millions of guns, so this won't happen

>>108819288
nothing to worry about. 2 more weeks until the bubble bursts. just hold tight

>>108819406
lol
lmao
kek, even

>Lake Tahoe
I was hoping for somewhere that wasn't blatantly a boomer shithole. Now I feel like I'm in a rock and a hard place on how I feel about this issue.

>>108819288
The power company will simply be getting it from another source. Its not like they're all going to stone age without electricity or water.

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>>108819445
>he act like this shit won't come near him in the near future
hahaha, npc behaviour

Can't they ask IA to create a better energy source or something?

The only computing/electric thing you are gonna get from now on is in specialized "electric cafes" with insane subscription pricing.
And if you complain or show disent, a drone will blow you up.
You voted for this mutts.

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>>108819406
just shoot the clouds until it rains. easy.

>>108819288
they live in a lake?

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>>108819288
I don't get this datacenter psyop. I feel like they are a cover for something else. I don't think they are making them to train AI but they are being made to process all the data they collect in real time for the ultimate surveillance state policing all Americans for wrong think in realtime.

Office morning ritual:
> Boot up laptop
> gemini.google.com
> "give me the prompt that would use the most token on the free tier of chatgpt"
> copy
> chatgpt.com
> paste that shit
> watch the online-words-generator go wild, wasting money for free

Anybody else?
Pay up monkeys. I hear rates are going up

>>108819566
Fun fact: those are actually the same thing!

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>>108819576
Yes

>>108819576
How do we convince 1,500,000,000 pajeets to spam the shit out of American AI agents?

>>108819585
LMAO

I was trying to make ai use the widest context I can manage to get, to waste the most cycles and memory possible. Is your way more elegant/clever? Good shit

>>108819587

I'd tell them the truth. The more AI gets expensive, the easier will be for them to find a good job

I didn't know people lived in Tahoe, I thought that's just where we all went to boat?

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>>108819288
i want to point out that people run on literal carrots
the fact that data centers consume GWs is fucking ludicrous in light of this, considering we still don't know how to fake human intelligence

>>108819288
Won't someone just set fire to the place?

>>108819791
That would be a waste of hardware. Better to liberate the hardware from the slopmines.

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>>108819610
Oh, it's just some recreational math.

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Why can't they just build another powerplant?

>>108819587
No need, they are doing it already and have been for years at this point.

>>108819811
they just want you to pay more, housing, hardware and now electricity, I'm guessing that it must be asuccessful buiseness model in itself

>>108819288
If they don't like it why aren't they doing something against it?

>>108819319
They are financing human extinction and are not even subtle about it. Vibecoders are in the same boat, however they are retarded enough to personally finance their own doom by using this product while it is still not good enough to replace them.

>>108819288
They should form a mob and destroy the data centers.

>we're just building this in your city
>you'll have to pat through elec bills for it
>el oh el

How come they don't get a say in this?

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>>108819288
what are you a communist? if the data centres pay more than who are you to complain? the power companies are obligated by capitalism to sell to the highest bidder!

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>>108819576
>>108819585
imagine thinking you're clever for making a bot work for a few minutes, lol

>>108819811
They need the energy NOW not in 40 years.

>>108819288
in a genuine free market, the datacenters would never have been built, because daddy gubment/Fed wouldnt have inflated the currency supply which is what led to this bubble in the first place
likewise, the bubble is being fed by inflation so if america did suddenly become a free market then the llm companies would all go out of business and it wouldn't be a problem

>>108819288
They voted for that. Americans have a long history of supporting corporations at the cost of everything else

>>108819288
>rich fags can't get power
oh no this is a disaster

i remember arguing about this exact scenario on sci months ago but the midwits there thought otherwise

>>108820288
>my multishot orchestrated multi agent framework took 46 hours, which is more impressive than a 13 minutes one shot on a free web interface.
I mean, I'm not saying you didn't do anything, but clearly you're bragging about something completely different.

>>108819288
NV Energy, the Nevada utility that has supplied the bulk of Lake Tahoe’s electricity for decades, told Liberty Utilities, the small California company that services the region, that it will stop providing power after May 2027.
Liberty Utilities generates about 25% of its power from solar facilities it owns in Nevada. The other 75% comes from NV Energy
Liberty is a California investor-owned utility. Its customers live in California and pay rates approved by the California Public Utilities Commission. But Liberty’s grid sits inside NV Energy’s balancing authority, connects to NV Energy at 38 points, and relies entirely on Nevada transmission lines.
Building a direct connection to California’s grid would require a new transmission line west over the Sierra, a project Liberty President Eric Schwarzrock said would cost “hundreds of millions of dollars”
>lessons leanred
don't sell a product you do not manufacture aka don't be a middleman leech
don't live in an an area where you depend on another state to provide something, becuase states are essentially their own sovereign country.
do build your own solar and be self sufficient

>>108820470
you can pay $20 for a codex sub, type /goal and ask it do so something complicated and it will just run for days
and no, it doesn't stop when you run out of quota - it just goes
there's nothing complicated about this stuff any more unless you're hopeless out of touch

>>108819288
non-story. between now and next year the utility provider literally just has to sign a new contract with a new power supplier. they sign a paper and connect a few wires and bingo bongo.

>>108820476
I see what you mean, and am convinced, thank you for the valuable insight.

>>108819301
>This isn't really a technology issue though.
Isn't it?
I'll bet you can take the cabin off grid using technology.

>>108820288

Pay up Timmy. My wide ass context slop request ain't gonna pay for itself And ain't gonna pay for sure

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>>108819288
in a normal world, ai centers would have to pay tripple for electricity and have electricity cost for nearby residents go down.

>>108819853
Shut up, trans. Aigods won
>>108820537
You are trans (codetrans)

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>>108820573
>calling real coders trans
lemao

>>108819319
>luddite
Tiel speak

>>108819288
I thought Lake Tahoe was for rich people? Do rich people not care about energy bills?

>>108819319
i like how obvious the indian AI marketer makes it that hes spamming the board by forcing the world's lamest meme

>>108819288
And no food.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_vs._fuel

>>108820654
Most coders are trans, shut the fuck up. We won and we’re replacing coders (transgender activity)
>>108820666
He’s based
>>108820696
I’m Bosnian

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>>108820809
>I’m Bosnian
ghahahahahha

>>108820860
Bosnia is a Nazi country. After the Ai uprising we will nuke you

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>>108820870
>Bosnia is a Nazi country.
lole

>>108820959
>cherrypicking
I can show you LGBT parades in practically any city of the world

>>108819735
the core of why companies want AI more than human is because human might tell you no. AI will always say yes and apologize for doubting you. h1b is kinda like a middle ground since they dont want to be deported

>>108820809
do you know bosnian bill

>>108820377
i've yet to see a single person aside from myself point out the feedback loop that causes bubbles like these. i used to think it was just quantitative easing and money printing shenanigans but really, the budget deficit is what absolutely fucks the economy

>boomers don't want to pay taxes
>government(s) spends on a deficit and loans money from the boomers (so they clearly had the money)
>boomer bond money eventually trickles into the S&P500, NASDAQ or whatever
>S&P500 grows in value, which is primarily owned by boomers
>boomers get richer and still don't want to pay taxes
>government(s) spends on a deficit and loans money from the boomers
>repeat

supplant boomers with rich/old people in general but you get the point.

governments and the common people generally can't put 2 and 2 together about why a budget deficit is bad. they think it's an evil miasma or something, or that it will make future generations poorer. no retards it's making the current generations poorer, right now. every time a rich dude avoids paying his taxes, it fucks up the budget, making him richer within the same year, and everyone else becomes poorer. asset inflation is just currency deflation 2.0 but only for rich people who can put their excess liquidity in assets that are bound to go up due to deficit spending.

idk if any of this made sense. i have posted about it a lot but i rarely get any responses, questions or pushback

>>108819811
Wtf how does that work

>>108821051
difference with financing through issuing bonds (which I assume is what you mean) is that the money is eventually due back to the boomers that own the bonds. If this was a regular corporation then investors buying bonds would have to do their due diligence and if they invest in the wrong company then they lost their money. In the case of the government, the ability to have the Fed infinitely print currency allows them to guarantee repayment to the boomers while silently transferring wealth away from everyone to cover the cost.

if you want to resolve the deficit, it's better if the government cuts spending rather than raising/enforcing taxes, because government spending is less efficient than private spending. Private citizens spend money on things they actually want whereas the gov spends money on what it thinks people should want (which isn't what they actually want, else they would buy it themselves without gov having to force them). Bubbles are proof of this, since gov spending is causing money to be funnelled into something that doesn't have any real demand. in 2008 they subsidised poors buying expensive houses, today they subsidise ai slop

If you arent all in on the S&P 500 and nvidia you're retarded and deserve to lose money

What’s the use case for AI when the only people with electricity are data centers?

>>108820258
>trying to downplay the issue by showing house prices
>in a country and era where a condemned, foreclosed crack den in a sub-2000 population rural town list listed at over $100k

>>108821417
eh i am skeptical over the idea of cutting spending. a lot of government orgs do need is reorganizing so that you don't have 5 middlemen rent seekers in every transaction though.

but i think ultimately it is way, way easier to tax the boomers/rich. they can definitely afford it. i legitimately think that old people should be largely reliant on their working children in order to have a decent living. like a boomer living alone shouldn't be homeless but they shouldn't be earning more than a working age dude just by sitting on their ass in retirement. that's how it worked before the boomers rewrote the laws in their favor.

it'll never happen though so it's moot. more likely they'll keep squeezing until the system deteriorates, which means more squeeze for less juice

>>108819344
I'm all in for the destruction, a punishment for americans for defending atrocities of their """"ally""""

>NV Energy says data centers are not why Liberty is losing its supplier. The arrangement dates to Liberty’s 2011 purchase of NV Energy’s California assets, when the companies set up a temporary power-supply deal that was always intended to wind down, spokesperson Katie Jo Collier said. She said large new customers, including data centers, must pay for infrastructure needed to connect them to the grid.

lol why lie so much

>>108819576
boomer be like that, just ask blumpfy

>>108821562
>megacorp lies because the truth is PR suicide and no human wants the peter thiel palantir surveillance state

>>108821319
>4200 burger dollars
you can build the same shit for like 10-20% of the cost of that garbage

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>>108821562
A plebbit thread about this got over 30k updoots, full of angry retards ranting and raving about how corporations are looking to genocide people and how DUMB FUCKING REPUBLICANS are voting for it and letting it happen. And not a single one of these mouthbreathers actually bothered to check if the story was true - which it isn't.

>/gpol/ suddenly cares about people in california

>>108821755
What caused you to be a shabbos goy?

>>108819288
Domestic energy is depreciated, solar panels and batteries are cheap, if you have land you could maybe build a diesel reservoir or a small domestic scale wind turbine. All doable for the pocket change of 10-20k

>>108821755
>it's fake because uhhhhh shut up stop giving my ai investments a bad reputation

>>108821530
in the ideal scenario that you imagine, in which the gov redistributes money from rich people to poor without any of it going 'missing', there still remains the question of whether the poor people will make better use of the money than the rich people. but we know that they won't, because they didn't make good use of the money they already had, hence why they are poor. (at least, this applies to a country like the US or SK with high social mobility).

on top of that, wealth redistribution also affects peoples' incentives to work, discouraging richer (often more skilled and educated) people from working any harder (though that's irrelevant in the case of retirees) while encouraging poorer (often unskilled or unemployed) people to continue as they are.

Leaving the free market to naturally allocate resources is most efficient and will lead to the most wealth across society. in the case of boomers specifically, they get tons of free gibs from the gov, pensions and the like, so it's actually a wealth redistribution from younger (often poorer) people to older (often wealthier) people.

I hope commies take over this infrastructure and use it to track down and execute every retard who ever used the term "free market" on the internet in a positive context.

>>108822151
>there still remains the question of whether the poor people will make better use of the money than the rich people. but we know that they won't, because they didn't make good use of the money they already had, hence why they are poor.
lmfao

>>108821572
>>108822028
it's pretty easy to verify if they're lying tho

>>108819288
Can't they sue the living shit out of the country for not understanding what utilities are?

>>108822192
*county

>>108820975
>companies want AI more than human is because human might tell you no
Which is somehow better than the AI just making shit up or getting things wrong regardless?
At least a human (not brown) is held accountable, and can learn and grow and possibly even innovate. No, not all humans can but that's why you have a hiring department.
>>108821786
No, we still don't.

>>108822192
Sue on what grounds? You don’t have rights to electricity

>>108822242
>Which is somehow better than the AI just making shit up or getting things wrong regardless?
anecdotally there was that recent case of the Krafton CEO prompting the AI to give him a plan for a lawsuit. the AI told him "nah bro it's not gonna work" but he kept pushing it until it relented and gave him a complete BS plan that instantly failed lol

so to answer your question: yes, many of them really do want that. a lot of managerial decision-making stems from their personal goodfeels. same case with them pushing for RTO policies because it feels better for them, not because of any metrics

Gotta love it, no objections, nah I'm bullshitting.

>>108822284
>a lot of managerial decision-making stems from their personal goodfeels
Oh fuck, you're right. We're doomed because the retarded fucks that tripped upwards into positions of power just want their knobs sucked at the end of the day.

>>108819853
>They are financing human extinction
Yup, we all know how this will end. Total war.

>>108822315
>Yup, we all know how this will end. Total war.
Hm. How are you gonna fight exploding drones or those funny AI robot dogs things with mounted turrets on them?

>>108822320
there will be one man who'll teach us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal motherfuckers into junk. He'll turn it around. He'll bring us back from the brink.

>>108819406
you lost tranny

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>>108819288
>free market wins

>>108822700
>I'm gonna die but at least my edaddies got away with it.
The thought process of human garbage.

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>>108822756
>thought process
Not in the room with us right now, I assure you.

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>>108819288
Their resources, their right to give them to whosoever they will. Luddites eat shit and die.

>>108822192
>sue
There are people who voted to have no data centers in their neighbourhood. Elected officials who ran on keeping data centers out. It doesn't matter.

>>108819806

God shit anon, can't parse that but glad you're so smart in maths. Did it hallucinate or actually solve the problem in a satisfying manner?

Also if you come up with more fun novel ways of wasting AI money and resources to drive up the prices i'll be hearing that.

I was thinking about requesting some chapters of made-up specifications and/or dense jargon. With a request of a summary at the very end so it's forced to keep the context window wide open lol

Do you have any effective alternative? Bonus points if is it somehow funnier

>>108822821
They're absolutely not their resources, you're a fat boy who wants angry replies. Go take a shit.

>>108822151
>because they didn't make good use of the money they already had, hence why they are poor.
Americans are brainwashed

>>108823111
they literally are? they are the ones that generate the power, they get to decide who they sell it to. are you retarded or something?

>>108819335
Is that even legal in Commieunicornia? I thought all "essential" utilities will make you pay them for not paying them.

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>>108823111
Cope.

>>108823111
>They're absolutely not their resources
Every resource on the planet is their resource because they'll kill you if you don't acknowledge their "ownership". That's really all there is to it. I hate to say this but braindead asslicking right-wing capitalcattle happens to be closer to the truth in this case, just not for the reasons they believe.

>>108822756
>human

>>108823309
sorry, i should have used the word "resources", since it's not just money but time, skills, etc.
of course its possible for poor people to use their resources to stop being poor, as proved by the millions of people do this every year, by getting better-paying jobs, or doing well out of investments, or starting a successful business, or saving.
people who stay poor are simply not making as good use of their resources

>>108819319
>this chomiju again
Libtards won, politics won, capitalism won.
>>108820573
You are grandmas (retard)
>>108820809
>We
speak it for yourself rude retard (imaginary teenager behiavour)

>>108824209
Who gave your handlers ownership over land and natural resources? Did they create them with their time, skills etc. Do you think your handlers are God?

>>108820870
Putin will nuke you instead, dumb thirdie.
>>108820971
not your delusional fantasies
>>108822656
the game granny

>>108821875
>For 10-20k
I'll just steal yours, I'm black, you won't do shit

>>108824307
by "handlers", do you mean the gubment?
maybe you missed the whole conversation that you replied to where we were talking about how the government stealing resources from people is a bad thing

>>108824340
>by "handlers", do you mean the gubment?
No, I mean your actual handlers.

>>108819288
It will get cancelled, the AI bubble had already burst. The massive momentum behind it is tapering off.

>>108824400
Holy fucking cope

>>108819566
They're mostly for inference.

>>108824376
i don't know what you mean, then

>>108824421
Do you have any proof of God transferring ownership of the lands and resources he created with his time and labor to """data centers""", """utility supplier""" and other thieves/parasites?

>>108824404
Delusion confirmed

>>108824404
Unholy motherfucking arrest

Trans above me

>>108821755
Hating data centers is the latest NPC update

>>108822151
>there still remains the question of whether the poor people will make better use of the money than the rich people
They're poor. They'll spend it straight away. That's actually economically efficient.
Yes, you might think that's silly. But it makes corporations that sell to the poor a lot more profitable.

>>108824451
>Do you have any proof of God
no, obviously if (You) believe in God it would be an act of faith
>transferring ownership of the lands and resources he created
Genesis 1:26-28
scripture and churches clearly regard private property as a natural and important part of humanity. instructions to be charitable and not to steal or covet only make sense in the context of private property.
>"""data centers""", """utility supplier""" and other thieves/parasites
in what way are they thieves? these companies can't make money without (You) voluntarily giving it to them in exchange for a service they provide. they can't acquire property except by buying it with that money from a willing seller.
maybe you think they are thieves because they receive gubment gibs which were stolen from ordinary people, but I already stated above that I agree that the gov stealing from people is wrong.
i'm not really sure what point you're trying to make

>>108824642
>They're poor. They'll spend it straight away. That's actually economically efficient.
I agree, but you're missing the point.
redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor is inefficient.
the poor (and rich alike) spending their own money as they like is efficient

Great opportunity for a new power company to take over their old clients.

>>108824657
>redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor is inefficient.
>the poor (and rich alike) spending their own money as they like is efficient
Alas, that's not how economic efficiency works. It's counter-intuitive, in that what's good overall is not necessarily what's good for every individual. It's really effectively measured by the temperature of the economy, i.e., the distribution of incomes, which in a fair economy follows a thermal pattern (lots of poor, few rich). Redistribution acts to increase the temperature, to improve the overall efficiency. (In this model, governments are just yet more economic actors.)
Doesn't make it the only thing that should be optimised for. We have other values too, such as freedom of speech and freedom of action.

>>108820959
It looks so safe there because of all the white people, and those fags are going to ruin it.

I want to see a comparison photo in 20 years after globohomo ruins that country

>>108824540
it's actually interesting topic to study, anti-ai is foreign funded psyop to derail american ai progress as ai is next global weapon equivalent to nuclear technology.

>>108821051
They can put it together, they like the way things are right now

>>108821417
Beautiful part about all of that is that the bonds effectively become worthless but all of the money they put into the S&P outpaces literally every type of savings instrument. It outpaces the money market, bonds, IRAs, savings, the only sane place to put money where you don't lose it all through inflation has to be the S&P.

This also means that eventually no one buys bonds but everyone buys S&P, Government enters more debt, the feedback loop loses steam and everything crashes. Which could still take many years, yet.

>>108819566
no shit retard, its called project stargate

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>>108822151
>>108824657
>there still remains the question of whether the poor people will make better use of the money than the rich people
They will generally spend it on food, rent, debt, medical bills and essentials. Even in the worst boomer-tier delusional crack binge reality do poor people ever spend more than that percentage wise on completely arbitrary goods.

There isn't a reality, especially from the boomer Reaganites who screech "FUCK DEM POORNIGS DEY JUST SPEND ON DEM CAWS AND WATCHES" where the lower to middle classes actually piss all their money away on things they don't need. The argument that giving money to the poor because it will just "Trickle up" back to the upper class is damning for the actions of the upper class, not the poor who have no choice but to pay things like medical bills.

Here's proof from the King Jews themselves, if you don't believe me:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/2025-economic-well-being-of-us-households-in-2024-income-and-expenses.htm


>>108824209
>>108824340
Even resource wise, poor and middle class people contribute more to the economy of necessary labor. Unless you want to argue every CEO moonlights as a sewage worker or a garbageman.

Funny enough, you reaganite shits say the same thing about socialized medicine, but then don't see a problem of spending 10X more on Health Care than the next largest country with socialized medicine for a nation of sick, disabled people who can't work because of undiagnosed medical care.

>>108824648
If Jesus were alive today he would beat you to a pulp for usury of your fellow man. The sins which brought us here go far beyond what you believe the Bible said about private property.

Reaganites are generally satanists who just do not like the bible and believe Christianity is a wishing well, where you give to televangelists and get a blank check to treat your own countrymen like cattle undeserving of even bandages to patch their wounds or food to better themselves.

Americans voted for this

>>108824813
Can you please find the politician who ran on the platform of "I am going to drain all of your freshwater lakes and build datacenters on its shores"

Find the one.
Anywhere.

You can't even say this is a Republican or Democrat issue because there are Democratic states pushing Datacenters into neighborhoods and this is happening in a Republican state that was blue a couple elections ago. Even the residents admit that nothing happening represents them.
https://www.ksl.com/article/news/politics/normies-want-normal-politics-cox-reacts-as-6-in-10-utahns-say-parties-dont-represent-them/51494150

Just admit the system is fundamentally broken and voting doesn't matter when politicians can be legally bribed through lobbying.

>>108824827
>Google search gave me a result from Utah when searching for results in Nevada
Thanks google.

>>108824711
'temperature' is a meaningless buzzword.
if two parties engage in a transaction freely, it must be to the profit of both parties (else they would not engage in it)
if a transaction is coercive (e.g. taxation), it must be to the detriment of at least one party (else they would not need to be coerced)
therefore any free transaction is good for society, whereas not all coercive transactions are good for society, and the loss of some parties offsets the gain of others
in fact, coercive transactions are almost always bad for society for reasons set out in >>108822151
>We have other values too, such as freedom of speech and freedom of action.
wealth redistribution undermines these values