Chinese companies can now buy advanced chips.
>trade restrictions cause China to mega-buff domestic chip industry>now they also regain full access to Nvidia chips as wellHe just keeps on winning.
There's nothing holding back China now except the oil nonsense, but that's holding us back too.
>>108823285I'm so glad I have yellow fever. Ever since the 2000s I knew they were the better race and it shows.
>>108823226>We need to rush forward on the datacenters damn the consequences or else Chyna will win(?)>Also we're making it easier for Chyna to build datacenters
>>108825077It's ok. Trump is a dumb cracker and knows his country is doomed. He's just collecting his last shekels before the ride ends.
USA dominion is collapsing much faster than expected. Experts were talking about 2050 being the year of china, I think it will be more like 2035. Good.
>>108823226Didn't they already remove the trade restrictions and China decided not to buy them so they couldn't be rug pulled again?I remember hearing this a few months ago.
>>108825118>China, the nation whose fertility rate is barely above 1You think there are gonna be any superpowers by the 2050s? We're all going to be starving.
>>108825225Why would birth rate matter when your country controls robots?
>>108823226What the fuck
>>108823226What was the point of tariffs again
So what I'm hearing is Tariffs were bunk and they have done nothing except make basic goods cost 150% more for no reason.If ONLY there were economists and politicians saying this to orange retard when he was proposing them.
>>108825154>Didn't they already remove the trade restrictionsNo they didn't. They put Trump tax on top of the MSRP
>>108825225>weDon't tell that to the 2 billion Indian Hindu rape rats shitting out 26 million new little cockroaches each year- bat 65% of them will be males because they abort/gang rape/murder female babies. It's fine if we have less kids, as long as we decimate India's population first. The Indian Hindu rape rats will never stop their weaponized breeding, it's the only way they survive. Breed like rats then infest and take over the civilizations superior humans build.>inb4 saaar India is ackshually below replacement. see we're humans just like u saar (source: lies like everything else Indian Hindu rape rats say)
>>108823285How the fuck does he do it?
>>108823226>arts of the deal>look inside: another fuckin TACO
why were they even export banned anyway? conventional wisdom for hundreds of years says that it is generally best to export as much as possible and import as little as possible
>>108825337fair>>108825337>take over the civilizations superior humans build.nah they are puny and dumb their only superpower is having no capacity for morality or truth and afer firs contact they have zero rust by default
>>108825610it was copethe CCP told companies to buy chinese chips before the banit's their self-reliance strategy and i'd be surprised if they gave it up
>>108825454In Chinese philosophy, the ideal philosopher and king achieved a state of wu wei, which means effortless action. He is in perfect harmony with the Dao, and does only exactly what he needs to.
>>108823226but all the posts i've read here from the china shills say they don't need nvidia anymore. right? also, what was the point of this ban again? what did it achieve?
>>108825843China already could buy Nvidia with a 15% Trump tariff or just smuggleThey didn't
>>1088253254D chess
>>108823226Wait a minute, didn't China announce they were going to flood the market with cheap RAM sticks?Might be my tinfoil hat talking, but what if the US only allowed them to buy their chips to prevent China from producing their own to keep chip costs high?
>>108825925too lateChina has spent 40 billion a year for the last 8-9 years on domestic chip productionASML has a revenue of about 20 billion. that's enough to catch up quick
does usa have any consistent foreign policy?
>>108825684Zamn, whenever I think of powerful medieval kings, I think of this post. Can't believe it could be Xi on this era.
>>108825320To make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Capitalism 101.
>>108823226they always couldthey have been buying from black market and routing it through Singapore and Malaysia for years now
>>108823226I can't afford compute.
>>108825925There wont be any bottleneck on advanced chip production in a short period of time.By 2030, the ai that fit on massive hyperscaler datacenters now will fit on cellphones.Graphene and photonics and neuromorphic chips enable this.Several virtuous cycles are converging:Low cost mass produced grapheneGraphene photonicsNeuromorphic chip designGraphene cheap as cardboard gives very low cost solar and very efficient very high speed inference chips
So like it can't really happen anymore, but if Americans didn't go off the stupid cliff the ideal response to China would have been joint North American + European + Allied economic kartel on tech to limit China.But that ship has now sailed because Yanks can't see past their own bellies. Chinese century is officially inevitable.
>>108826330Btw if graphene costs as much as cardboard it solves all future resource scarcity.Highest strength:weight and conductivity electromechanical components, highest capacity energy storage devices, fastest chips, and its mostly carbon so theres no location bottleneck.Could build a graphene factory anywhere and print solar, chips, batteries, ultrapure water/air filters, and robots, and only input would be waste carbon, from whatever waste carbon source is lowest price in the region. From actual trash straight to the highest performance devices. Its likely inevitable that becomes the standard industry because it solves dozens of problems simultaneously, including carbon sequestration.
>>108825320So you get the $160,000,000,000 in tariff refunds, started earlier this week. I mean, you DID get your $2,000 rebate in the mail... right?Don't tell me corporations raised the price of goods by 200-300%, passed it onto the consumers, and you DIDN'T receive the tariff rebate, and somehow, the corporations made 200-300% more profit, and got even MORE money from the government?
>>108825060What's it like wanting to join a race that lived in slums before spreading legs to BWC?
>>108826042China still needs to rely on ASML for the most advanced chips like the rest of the world. RAM chips aren't so advanced you need EUV which only ASML offers, so surely they'll be able to have fully domestic RAM manufacturing.Besides, the real reason shit's so expensive is because Micron, SK hynix and Samsung are a cartel and love to fix prices whenever they think they can get away with it.
>>108825077funny how that works and its all the same scammers that keep saying that shit
>>108825454Firstly, he does not do whatever the jews want all the time no matter what. Imagine if Trump hadn't gone to war against Iran, and told Bibi to fuck off. After that, it's a lot easier
>>108825454>do nothing>competition keeps shooting itself in the foot>win
>>108828914>RAM chips aren't so advanced you need EUV which only ASML offersEUV has been used in RAM production for the past 5 years. It's only a few layers but EUV nonetheless. You're technically right that you don't NEED it, but it's the same as making 7nm or 5nm. Technically you could multipattern with DUV, but the risk of failure shoots up and the process takes longer and requires more masks so overall cost and consumption of the consumables goes up, and it starts to look unprofitable for the higher end chips. With DDR6 it'll probably be required as the complexity continues to go up.
>>108829537The Gabe Newell strategy
>>108825843>what was the point of this ban again? To try to stop China from building AI models which could compete with western ones, because American AI companies were big mad about China's models being open source/weights which harms their ability to rent-seek via subscription models.>what did it achieve?China built a domestic chip industry and kept advancing by optimizing the math used to train models to compensate for slightly lower powered chips. Nvidia lost a massive customer. The ban was reversed because it achieved nothing except making Nvidia less relevant globally. Betting on Chinese people to be bad at math is just dumb.
>>108826042ASML's supply chain is spread across like 3 specialist nations outside their own home. China can't even make higher-end DUV machines domestically and the jump from DUV to EUV needed herculean effort. SMEE's 28nm-class scanner goes pushed back like 5 times and they only delivered one unit last year and if they started rolling them out in volume, they've been pretty quiet about it. They're probably only sampling a handful to customers. It might be like 2030 before they're actually mass producing 7nm with a fully domestic tool chain. And that's despite poaching hundreds of engineers from around the world including from ASML and TSMC and more.
>>108829607>China built a domestic chip industry and kept advancing by optimizing the math used to train models to compensate for slightly lower powered chips. Nvidia lost a massive customerExcept those were still just older nvidia chips. It's not like they were actually using domestic alternatives. They just opted to using chips they had, could smuggle in, or old stock they could quietly buy through distribution channels like the H100s.
>>108825077We warned the chuddies. We warned them over and over again and they didn't listen. We're educated and can jump ship to other countries when this one fails. Where will the chuddies be?
Translation: The scumbags in the white house know the AI grift isn't going anywhere.
>>108823285>mega-buff domestic chip industryMay we see it?
>>108829537How's Evergrande doing, chinksect?
If Trump is consistent about one thing, it's his love of TACO.
>>108829707>>108829729See>>108829818
>>108829699>Hans, this atomic bomb grift isn't going anywhere. Let the Americans develop it.
>>108825337You're so corny, I don't even pity you because you're unwilling to put even the modicum of nuance into what are, I assume from your babble, existential questions to you
>>108829829>this poster againI can smell the curry through the screen. No amount of shill posts will save your izzat, Rajeesh.
>>108829981Get a job luddite.
>>108829991Seems like I was correct in my assumption. Only an Indian would be this primitive and obvious in his shilling.
>>108829991Why are Indians so performative?
>>108823226
>>108831146Whoever wrote this is a fucking retard.
>>108831557
China sees Nvidia chips as a security risk and rightfully so.And for AI you mostly need RAM.Processing power is nice but with less power you can still train the models it just takes longer.The size of your RAM is the only real limitation on how advanced you can make the models.
>>108823226oops there goes my intel stock rally, sure would be a shame if someone had just shorted intel 24-48 hours ago.
>>108825863They did
>>108826065It was a consistent foreign policy, but plebs are just too stupid to understand that.Maybe Trump is also too stupid to understand that. But I am confident that they use this fake unpredictability exactly because USA desparately needed to counter Russia (can't tell about China, never studied their foreign policy much).> what is reflexive control?You're an idiot if you don't know that. Because that is the reason why US and EU became world's laughing stock. It is the technique invented in USSR during cold war, designed to counter the use of game theory in foreign policy, which was often practices by USA. They mindlessly continued to try to use until current Trup's term. Someone on his admin was smart enough to figure this out.
The lift of embargo only means Chinese companies can now chose to pay taxes to America. The chips are being smuggled as fuck up to this, facilitated by Micron.
>>108826184As the Duran Duran song saysAll Xi wants isSpend your money on the corner now, youKnow you've gotta save some for the GPU, boy
>>108825099Bizzare and bizarrely accurate picture.
>>108832977that image is almost 15 years old
>>108832052China doesn't want old graphic cards but trump won't sell them the latest ones
>>108825320anon... you paid the tariffs, not china
>>108825320market manipulation
>art of the deal dude got finessedfell for it again 2 electric bogaloo
>>108823226at the start of his term i thought he wouldn't be able to actually fuck up the american machine even though he was kind of retardedit's clear i was probably wrongthis shit is embarrassing, this dude is easily the worst presidentthe iran war and now this, literaly humilation ritual
>>108825337SAAR, don't eat my brain.
>>108823285>be the largest economy in the world, both in production and consumption>no one can afford to just simply ditch youeasy
>>108823226>trump listed as 6'3">xi listed as 5'11"hmmm
>>108823226>every gpu going to chyna needs to be "inspected" firstglowies not sending their best& chinks dont even want em anymore lmao, dumb burgercattle
>>108836919sure sure zhang, that's why people get arrested smuggling the chips into china.
>>108823226is this going to result in cheaper gpu, ram or hardware in generalif so i don't careif not then orange man le bad o algo
>>108825225>>108829925SAAR
>>108837760
>>108837157People smuggle gold into India for no reason. Smugglers are gonna smuggle.
>>108823226Why isn't Jensen more rich than Musk at this point
>>108837987he's one of the most important people in the public world at this point, he's beyond money.
>>108823226pre-election Fear Of Bubble Bursting forced him to bend the knee to China.>>108825320Infinite tax revenue to allocate as one pleases
americans are totally done aren't they? it's over
>>108825337unironically need someone like Kissinger againhe was born too early
