is there any hope for proper netbooks in 2026+?>chromebookssee chrome- part. They are locked like hell for general computing>tabletsalso locked like hell
>>108824697Nothing smaller than a 13" laptop is viable really Otherwise youd get a tablet with a dock
>>108824806I find my 12.5" laptop to be too big for my portable tastesalso feel like touchscreens are overratedis there really no supply for demand made by men like me?
>>108824697can't u just put Linux on a chromebook thiugh
>>108824822You sound like you need a maid computer to fit in your apron. They exist
>>108824835Please read OP>They are locked like hell for general computingI literally just googled "chromebook", opened Google's official(tm) list for chromebooks, chose one with 11 inch screen and got a machine that only has TWO USB-CS AND A MINIJACKhttps://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Chromebook-Duet-Essential-Detachable/dp/B0DJH9WBLW?th=1This is awful
>>108824855>>108824697>>108824806there are plenty of resources to reflash chromebooks into a general pc with coreboot, not all of them are compatible but still https://docs.mrchromebox.tech/also chinse companies do proper old style netbooks
>>108824697Framework 12
>>108824903>https://docs.mrchromebox.tech/docs/supported-devices.htmlokay that's actually a pretty sizeable list of machineswould be nice to have filters for "small display" + "actually has ports" >>108824924>I find my 12.5" laptop to be too big for my portable tastes
>>108824697I think the closest thing to a netbook in today's world are the cheapest 14 inch HP and Acer laptops. Everything is moving towards locked down too. I'm afraid for the future. Eventually only specialist companies like System76 will sell computers with unlocked bootloaders that allow you to install linux/bsd/etc.
>>108824934>14 inch>netbook
>>108824934>>Everything is moving towards locked down too. I'm afraid for the future. Eventually only specialist companies like System76 will sell computers with unlocked bootloaders that allow you to install linux/bsd/etc.they literally can't kill the free booting process on x86what is concerning is the push for ARM & RISC-V, can't really install random OS on a random machine
>>108824948yes, if you would actually read and comprehend, I said "the closest thing". I was saying that there isn't really anything on the market today that matches what "netbook" meant back during the fad from 2008 - early 2010.
>>108824927Framework is smaller than 12.5"
>>108824976yeah. 12.Big fucking difference
>>108824934Intel and AMD don't actually allow you to prevent users from installing a different OS. So as long as x86 is relevant we are safe.ARM is the real issue because it's a laissez-faire shitshow.
>>108824927most of them are supported. you look for chromebooks in your second hand website and when you like one you check its flashable, not the other way around
>>108824960yes. it's fucked. I'm worried for the future. I hope that ARM laptop/computer makers will adopt EFI and standardise, but I think they won't do that, they're probably happier that you can't easily install a replacement OS so that you have to buy a totally new system and chuck the old one away whenever they decide to stop supporting it
>>108824697> They are locked like hell for general computingNot one bit. They probably have better Linux drivers than a regular cheapo laptop. They even allow custom firmwares! Some are so free that they are FSF approved and support GNU Boot. >>108824835> can't u just put Linux on a chromebook thiughAbsolutely. It's very easy and just requires some careful selection of the hardware and running an extra script to get sound working. See https://docs.chrultrabook.com/ for a comprehensive list of how well Linux/windows/MacOS is supported on each device, and a full installation guide. I recommend the x86 ones from lenovo for great battery life and fantastic durability.
>>108824996>ARM is the real issue because it's a laissez-faire shitshow.isn't ARM a cucked architecture that still has licensing issues? I'm pretty sure that PowerPC is "free" these days and it doesn't seem to have a problem with bootloaders
>>108824903>>108824927If you are buying a Chromebook I cannot recommend mrchromebox's website, unless you intend to use the devices with external peripherals entirely. Some Chromebooks on his lists do not support the speakers, headphone jack, SD card, microphone, camera, touchpad, or fingerprint reader. This information is important and may not have ANY fixes. You should ensure your Chromebook is listed as fully supported on this list before buying:https://docs.chrultrabook.com/docs/devices.htmlThis list includes information if hardware does not work.
>>108825052nah I noticed the compatibility list by myself>paid audio driverJesus they really do Jew the normalfags, huh?
>>108824697it sucks this formfactor died off especially with how good and low power hardware can be now. ive been tempted to get the chuwi minibook x for a while but already have too man laptops
>>108825064>chuwimy mom got one of their laptops and it fucking broke (as in "literally in pieces") in less than a yeardon't trust the Chinese
>>108825070damn that sucks they look comfy
>>108825001>Some are so free that they are FSF approved and support GNU Boot.that's misleadingbarely supported GNU Boot only supports Asus C201 (that's on ARM, not x86)Libreboot (and its "FSFish" fork Canoeboot) also barely support chromebooks, all of them being ARM (and most boards being removed? Kinda? Trannydocs are confusing)
>>108825097> that's misleadingSorry, I do not mean to be misleading.The GNU boot project actually just informs you to install an old version of libreboot, which (as you mention) now has a free fork available these days. I have used libreboot/canoeboot on two ARM Chromebooks and while one did not have working wifi (and for some reason they always try to network boot from my ethernet dongle?) they can run full linux. In my mind this is supported, but I understand it is only ONE Chromebook. > and most boards being removed? Kinda? Trannydocs are confusingYes, now only two are listed, and the documentation is very poor. I couldn't figure out how to boot into the OS for about 50 minutes, as the syntax to boot has slightly changed from the install guide.Some better resources:https://github.com/nikolas-n/GNU-Linux-on-Asus-C201-Chromebookhttps://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201Also worth noting, on the topic of libreboot x86 Chromebook support:https://libreboot.org/news/libreboot2601.html> Work is ongoing to integrate Google Chromebooks, by integrating the MrChromebox distribution of coreboot into Libreboot’s build system.
>>108825193>> Work is ongoing to integrate Google Chromebooks, by integrating the MrChromebox distribution of coreboot into Libreboot’s build system.okay, that's actually pretty good IF he properly writes documentation about their blob situation
>>108825064The X12 tablet would've been more appealing if it had a better screen and wasn't so damn expensive.
>>108824697I'm just using a Bluetooth keyboard with a tablet dock and a trackball mouse. I use the Remote Desktop Manager xrdp app on Android to remote into Artix Linux. pic related
>>108825238device that's just a terminal is a joke IMO
>>108824697>>tablets>also locked like hellwhy can't we just have normal linux tablets?
>>108825373very long development cycle unless they use parts whose drivers have already been upstreamed. If they make a custom device it takes forever to get their drivers upstreamed. If they aren't upstreamed you are stuck with custom kernels that may never be updated. Even modern laptops are often missing linux support for like their fingerprint scanner, speakers, camera etc. tablets are an even more niche market, especially for linux (chicken and egg). Oh and>arm
>>108827739is rk3588 upstreamed? >armthere are tablets on x86 (lol) and riscv (lmao)
>>108827754rk3588 took years and even now its not completely upstreamed as far as I know. and as for x86 tablets, there are microsoft surface tablets which do "support" linux but you need custom kernel patches. So also not upstreamed, but it works. might get support dropped at some point though.
>>108824697Apple just released a netbook.People seem quite excited about it.
>>108827770>Apple just released a netbook.>The MacBook Neo features a 13-inch Liquid Retina display
>>108824697There are some X-Plus products of that size.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX8VYUudRwkThey also sell 10 inch Chuwi clone and a 7 inch tablet with ports.
>>108828253looks pretty neat, how is good linux support on their machines?
>>108828405>How is good Linux supportAnon, any x86 hardware with uefi can boot any Linux. It's a non issue at this point.For Chromebook, check out mrchromebox.And when I say uefi it's because apparently there are risc-v laptop without it that can only run Linux updated by sd cards. We are still a long way.
>>108824697>>108824822Look into Japanese netbooks, salarymen/salarywomen use them a lot.
The last actual netbook. Too bad it was kind of shit
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>>108824924This is a rather expensive netbook
>>108824822>feel like touchscreens are overratedSame had panasonic with touch+wacom and never ever used those feature tho for me 12" is pushing it 10" is too small. Like yeah you can get shit done on 10" but it ain't comfy.
>>108828488>bootI'm talking about wifi/bluetooth/webcam/gpu/etc drivers/firmware
>>108828602how about 11 inches?
>>108824697You can buy an old netbook and install on it something like Slax.
>>108824697I hope you can install Linux on the new Chromebooks. And I hope that the Snapdragon X2 Elite will get better Linux support in general.>tabletsPixel tablet with graphene.
>>108828844>Pixel tablet with graphene.even free ROMs are restricted with what they can do under Android codebase
>>108824697It's $currentYear and we don't even have a single good x86 tablet. We don't even have a good alternative to iPads full stop when it comes to tablets.>but muh ching chong ping pong long larp mach 3Ignoring that tablets in the same price class a a stinking normal ipad air are literal fisherprice toys in terms of quality (both hardware and software) and the $1000+ units still fail to compete with the support length of a $400 iPad you're not competing, you're delusional and overdosing on fentanyl.
>>108829597x220t in tablet mode
>>108824855you don't need to buy a chromebook. there are a couple models with a regular x86 version that you can install linux on without doing anything special, for example the 11" lenovo 100e windows edition.
>>108829597flow z13 is a x86 tablet, you can't play games on it and hold it without undervolting it or setting the wattage to like 30w though (which is enough for most games actually)
>>108824822CF-QV1CF-SR3CF-SR4the latest refresh is gay: removed SD card reader, fn and ctrl key in the wrong place, battery now screwed down instead of latchessmaller? CF-RZ6 but its kinda dated
>>108830923Jesus these look really goodwhy can't Japanese ship them to other countries?
>>108830923>CF-RZ6RZ8 is also a thing from what I see on Panasonic's website
>>108831588yeah but its a hard to get model
>>108831657>implying it wouldn't be already difficult to get a Japanese-exclusive laptop
the surface laptop go at 12.4" (27.8cm wide) looks nice if you can get the 16gb version for cheap
>>108831669for models like the CF-RZ6 you can just walk into a used PC store in japan to get itits usually sold alongside thinkpadsfor the RZ8 i never seen it at a shop and ordering online is its own clusterfuck
A laptop only good enough to browse the web? How is this any better than the phone everyone already owns?
>>108829676>x201
just buy an external monitor for your phone or something?i don't really get the point of a chromebook. it's just the worst at all things out of every product category.get a laptop, a 2 in 1 with rotating screen if you want a tablet.if you just want to browse the internet, use your phone and just connect it to an external monitor.word processing/emails? get a used e-waste tier laptop for 20 bucks online.
>>108832400>word processing/emails? get a used e-waste tier laptop for 20 bucks online.you'd get the same issue if you are looking for something small
linux this linux that in this thread. DLS - down linux sydrome lolololololololol LINUX,AGGOTX
>>108832424if an extra centimeter of thickness bothers you then you deserve to get scammed on a chromebook.
They'll be better than ever once Wildcat Lake drops
>>108832480the point is that a product category disappearedsmall devices that are not locked down
>>108824806One thing I find funny is most modern 13" laptops with the thin bezels are almost the same size as a 10" netbook with those ridiculous fat budget laptop bezels. Maybe about 1cm taller and wider, but amazingly close dimensions wise.
>>108832017any reason why RZ8 is so rare? Did Panasonic made too little of them because they were sunsetting their netbooks?
>>108824697These fucking things are unpleasant to use. That's why they went away. 13" laptop is the best portability compromise.
what is the smallest possible device that is still usable? something like the X61 or something more like the X200?
>>108833081depends on you preference in aspect ratio desu
Is it a good idea buy a netbook in 2026s? I had this idea, but i never tried buy a to me. What is more cheap a netbook or a thinkpad, i need a portable computer to now and i don't know how choice. What are the opinions from my anons?
>>108825005Yeah but PPC is ancient and dead. ARM is a menace because it's cucked but also extremely relevant.
>>108825001notice how all the supported devices are 5+ years old?https://docs.chrultrabook.com/docs/devices.htmlyou can't even buy a new device and do thisI'm now working on building my own kernel for an ARM Lenovo Chromebook Plus, because corebooting intel chromebooks is basically dead now
>>108833472used thinkpad probably cheaperthe newest netbook will be around 13-14 years old at this pointif you really want one get a chuwi
>>108833566Thanks, i thought more and i will get a thinkpad to me, it will be more usable than a old netbook. More a at the cult.
>>108824697chudbook, don't use
>>108832248The draw is that CPUs, SSDs, and RAM have come a long way since 2008. We have the tech to make the netbook form factor powerful enough for daily driving with 20 hour battery life. We have the tech to make netbooks not shitty.
>>108834004and its used on tabletsnetbooks being a toy for tech enthusiasts was just a byproduct of PCs being the dominant computing device + optimizing cost
>>108834846Netbooks could have had a much wider niche if their performance wasn't disgustingly bad. They ended up being nerd toys because using them as thin clients was the only way to be productive with them. It was normal for a brand new netbook to have Windows XP preinstalled because Windows 7 was simply too heavy and most people didn't know or care about installing a featherweight Linux distro.These days we have the right components to make them work, but no one cared. People just buy iPads and Chromebooks instead.
>>108832791probably because it was too expensiveits a high end device in a netbook form factorimo its a transitional device that allows ipad portability when your corporate software only works on x86
>>108834846>and its used on tabletsThis.
>>108824697>They are locked like hell for general computingTell me what you can't do in a Chromebook that you can't do in a comparable computer of similar specs.>inb4 Install another OSThis limitation afaik exists in almost all ARM devices, that's why you can't just install any os on any phone or why it's hard to install new os in snapdragon and other arm computers.
>>108834896>>108833492And oh yeah, about this. Last i686 core boot supported device I heard was T480, an almost decade old laptop. Point is, this isn't a challenge unique to Chromebooks in general.
>>108834872>People just buy iPads and Chromebooks instead.Even the industrial market has moved on to "tablets"
>>108834896I bought a chromebook and it asked for my e-mail address. Why does my computer need to e-mail me?
>>108834928You don't need an email to create a new account in chromebook. Chromebook creates one for you based on your username. You don't even need to give your phone number. Unless you're using a device already owned by someone.
>>108835033Interesting. I can't afford another chromebook right now but I would love to test what you're claiming. Can I uncoreboot my chromebook with the mrchromebox script?
>>108835048I thought it was common knowledge? Using a Chromebook is one of the few exploits to create a Google account without a phone number. At least it was how it was when I setup my sister's Chromebook almost an year ago. Not sure if they removed it. You need a power wash to setup a new device with a new owner.
>>108835088So the computer creates an e-mail address for you so it can e-mail you? That does not make any sense. Why should your computer e-mail you?
>>108835110Email you what? They ask phone or email verification to make sure you're a real person using a real device. They don't do any such verification in fresh Chromebooks or Android phones and you can login both without adding a phone number to verify. Though not sure if it still exists because of all the online age verification shit.
>>108835221I don't get it. Linux and Windows don't ask for my e-mail address. My phone does not ask for my e-mail address. My car doesn't ask for my e-mail address. The air fryer and water kettle don't ask for my e-mail address.I just don't get it. My computer does not e-mail me.
>>108829676Trannypad lol
>>108824697You mean a cheap laptop with cheap GPU to handle light graphics stuff and small games without fans spinning into jet noise?I have an Acer Aspire 575G and I'm quite shocked such laptops are apparently hardly a thing nowadays. That old thing handles Deep Rock Galactic with no issue despite having like 2GB of VRAM and sure enough can handle older stuff like Company of Heroes.
>>108825070One of Youtubers from my country made a vid about such laptop because it was on sale in supermarket for some reason. In short, it's an utter piece of overpriced shit.
>>108824822Build your cyberdeck and stop whining.It does not take a genuis to do that, components are off-the-shelf or whatever you call those.
>>108836001just the formfactor of 10-inch laptops is already rarebut yeah a weak-yet-powersaving are rare
>>108836022>just make your own laptop!No.
