>PIRACY IS STEALING!Tell any fool that tries to moralize over piracy that it was never about actual theft, it was always about power
>>108828321The power to make you pay for the product someone else made?
>>108828321Piracy makes a copy
>>108828351No one can "own" intangible information. You have no obligation to base your morality on what rich people pay politicians to codify into law. Just because hired goons with guns will break into your home, kidnap you, and put you in a cage as punishment for sharing information with your community does NOT mean that piracy is stealing, it just means you live in a dictatorship of capital.
>>108828321>>PIRACY IS STEALING!Yes, according to the law and typical foks.>Tell any fool that tries to moralize over piracy that it was never about actual theft, it was always about powerThat's also true, IP , copyright and pattents wasn't about protecting "jewbs" or their jobs """they""" don't care, these two are capital they don't want to lose their wealth generator.
>>108828431>incoherent seething pseudbabbleAgain, what "power" are you worried about? The power to make you pay for the product you want to use?
>>108828431nobody has been jailed for pirating software, ever.take your meds and stop being a drama queen
>>108828351No, the power for companies to moralize about content theft by hiding behind the people that actually made the work with "don't copy our stuff, think of the people we profit from, think of their families" only to then do it themselves. If you see nothing wrong with this, your are just an NPC that allows established social norms determine what is right and wrong for them.
>>108828463>pseudbabbleHey champ, this site is 18+. Isn't this a school day for you or something?
>>108828479>the power for companies to moralizeAnyone has the power to "moralize" about anything. Why are you so assblasted about it?
>>108828494Because they have the lobbying power to turn it into law
>>108828511And make you pay for the products you use? Ok, why should I be upset about that?
>>108828321>copyright rules for thee but not for meI hate Americans and Jews so much it's unreal.
>>108828530You are a corporate bootlicking useful idiot
Pirating this thread
>>108828564>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT
>>108828555Ok, so you can't explain why I should be upset about you being forced to pay for the products you use?
>>108828476>nobody has been jailed for pirating software, everWhy lie? Five seconds on Google says you're wrong.
>>108828589Does Disney pay for the art they're training their AI on? Does Suno pay for all that music?
>>108828589This faggot is using every fallacy in the book
>>108828321model distillation is piracy, model training is fair use
>>108828564the choppers are on their way, you're fucked
>>108828634>>108828637Ok, so you can't explain why I should be upset about you being forced to pay for the products you use?
>>108828645Shalom.
>>108828589Ok, so you can't explain why you're upset about us not wanting to pay an extortion fee to someone acting like a feudal lord over intangible information?
>>108828674You can want whatever you want. I'm not the one starting ass-destroyed threads. I'm just saying maybe your cause would have more traction if you could explain what the problem is, beyond anti-piracy laws making life harder for entitled parasites like you.
>>108828321>PiracyI'm not a pirate. I don't have a boat. I don't steal anything.
>>108828707>maybe your cause would have more traction if you could explainMaybe you would be less of a whiny fucking bitch if you killed yourself lmao>entitled parasitesAre you talking about the shareholders that contribute nothing to the creation process of software/movies/vidya/etc but get to perpetually generate profit from "owning" the "IP", while the team that actually did all the fucking work was ripped off and only compensated from their pitiful (in comparison to the value they generated) wages and salaries? Those parasites?
>>108828707>maybe your cause would have more traction if you could explain what the problem is, beyond anti-piracy laws making life harder for entitled parasites like you.hasn't he told you like 5 times already that he literally can't?
>>108828351That's not how entertainment business model works.You're not paying for a product. You're paying for limited license to consume a product (which - depending on the distribution model - you may never even physically touch). >Yes, according to the law and typical foks.No, it's not. It's a different type of crime. It's more of a fraud than stealing. Which ironically is usually treated more seriously by the legal system than theft.
>>108828886>You're not paying for a product.Ok. The power to make you pay for accessing a product?
>>108828360Companies have trouble making enough copies of their products, I help them out for free!
>>108828351Yes, and these AI companies are stealing products someone else made.
>>108829324They're allowed to do that because they're rich influential and powerful
>>108829324>Yes,Ok. So can you explain what the problem is, beyond anti-piracy laws making life harder for entitled parasites?
>>108829385>entitled parasitesdid you just feel like ignoring >>108828759 because you couldn't prove it wrong, or...?
>>108828321>one person downloads 3 copyrighted books>jailed for life, then kills himself>Meta sued for pirating 115.7 TB copyrighted books from Z Library And Libgen>Meta sued for downloading 2000+ porn movies>Meta sued for collecting user data without consent, even in incognito mode or with a VPN billion user>nothing happens, maybe some day they pay fines that doesn't even matter for them anywayThis is one of those situations where you either feel shit, or at least get fined or worse, jailed, if you have proven to put 1 gallon of oil to the ocean, but large corporations put 706 million gallons (2.67 billion liters) of oil to the ocean every year and nobody gives a fuck. But hey remember to put that tiny metal piece to right recycling box! *India dumps approximately 126.5 million kilograms of plastic into the ocean each year sorry about that*
>>108828321computers and the internet basically destroyed media scarcity.cost of reproduction went to 0.0001$ per copyits as much theft as filling a bottle by the river
>>108829571Nothing in that post explains what your problem is, just trying to redirect attention to other parasites.
>>108829385>making life harder for entitled parasitesLOLEven if I got the highest tiers for all the streaming services for free for astroturfing for these corporations online, the "legit" way would still be worse.
>>108830475Nothing in that post explains what your problem is, just trying to redirect attention to other parasites.
>>108828431Go give this speech to the employees at the theatre when you try and sneak in without paying lmao
>>108831339The theater is providing an actual service and an experience I can't replicate at home, a physical experience that I'm more than happy to pay for when the movie is worth it. That doesn't mean anyone can "own" a specific combination of ones and zeros. Did you have a point you were trying to make?
>>108831373Anyone can "own" anything if they have the power to enforce it or nothing if they don't. You don't "own" anything. They "own" everything.
>>108831373A show at the theatre is just a specific combination of atomsThere's no point discussing this if you're just being stupidly reductionist. If you love "combinations of ones and zeros" then go watch /dev/random. Should be as equally valuable to you as any movie, since that is "all" a movie is in your eyes.
>>108830475Piracy will never go away if only because of this. Why would someone pay for the privilege of DRM encumbered media with unskipable ads when the pirated version lets people enjoy their media how they actually fucking want to enjoy it?
>>108828321If you assume power=money, then yes. Because that's what it was. Control over money flow. People pay regularly for stuff, owner of that stuff does nothing, digital copies cost nothing, so margin is ∞
>>108831445Why why why can you piratefags just never admit that you just want shit for free?It's always just arguments tangential to the point, spoken in vague terms like "the encumberment of DRM" and never anything concrete.Most DRM is so transparent the average person doesn't even know what DRM is.I put a bluray disk in my drive and it plays without a hitch, I purchase a movie on amazon and it instantly streams in 4K, how am I being encumbered exactly?Not to mention DRM only exists in the first place BECAUSE of piracyfags.Its YOU GUYS that forced DRM to exist. You are like niggers in the ghetto complaining that all the black hair products are locked away behind glass.
>>108831468>so margin is ∞You can't genuinely be this retardedDo you think a movie costs $0 to make?
>>108831533If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
>>108831733When you go and pay to watch a play at the theatre do you expect to own the seats and the actors? When you buy a book do you expect to own the rights to the story? I have plenty of blurays that I own, I don't really see the problem.
>>108831569Movie production is one thing. Selling a copy is another. Creating a copy costs a negligible amount of money, therefore margin on each individual copy approaches infinity.Most movie budgets are inflated, because that is a way to secure money regardless of financial success. Also probably some sort of money laundering schemes involved as well.Movies don't cost as much to produce. Anyways, think of movie production as of creating a template. Then each copy is also a part of the production process. But it is immeasurably cheap to create. That is why big shots always salivate around any digital products. Although lately they switched to subscriptions. When people pay for what they don't even use at all most of the time. And when they do, they just consume digital copies that cost nothing to produce and distribute.
if you do piracy, likely USA will bomb you til submission. that was even at times of isolationism and Monro was writing his doctrine - bomb all watermelon-heads until we make a deal with them, so they wont pirate our ships and enslave our seamen. though, no foots on the ground. simple as that.since those times watermelonheads keep on seething, misusing piracy as some unsolicited copy of bits and bytes.
>>108831826The money spent producing a movie is only invested by people on the assumption that they can recoup the costs by selling copies of the movie.If nobody paid for movies people would stop spending money to make them.Surely you are intelligent enough to understand this
>>108831373Somebody combined those ones and zeros, and it's their choice whether to share that combination or not.
>>108831533No, you get ads and buffering. I don't want ads and buffering. Cry about it.
>>108828321If you cannot afford it, you are not entitled to it. I support men with guns enforcing this dictum.
>>108831931Nowhere I've bought movies has ever served me ads and I've never had buffering issues either.You will probably get plenty of both of those when trying to pirate though.
>>108828321Training AI is considered fair use under U.S. copyright law
>>108828321>mfw I read a book and I 'pirate' the information into my brain
>>108831442>There's no point discussing this if you're just being stupidly reductionistNo. Your complete inability to understand even an ounce of nuance and your failure to present a counter argument isn't reductionism on my part, actually. A movie theater can show a public domain movie and it would still be able to provide an experience worth paying for since you won't have the equivalent screen, sound system, or food service at home. That doesn't mean you can "own" intangible information without constructing an entire security apparatus to help enforce that LARP. You can't "own" a fucking number, you can't own a series of ones and zeros, you can't own a combination of words or an idea about how a product can be manufactured. You're just a buckbroken little bitch trying to run defense for your corporate masters as if you'll EVER be in their club. That or you're starting to get very uncomfortable after realizing how much money you've completely wasted on plastic disks and ones and zeros lmao
>>108831809Go tell that to the bastards you're defending while they benefit from generative AI that steals far better than every unlicensed distributor of media in history put together.
>>108831533>Why why why can you piratefags just never admit that you just want shit for free?>vague terms>never anything concretewhy Why WHY are you responding to a strawman in your head like a schizophrenic freak instead of addressing anything I actually said? Why are you pretending that you're important enough to own equity in any movie studio, record company, or software development team?
>>108832120A movie is not "information" like "I know the best fishing spot in this town" is information. A movie is a piece of art that many people spent thousands of hours working to produce and invested millions of dollars in.You are trying to argue that the output of this work is a meaningless array of binary data, as invaluable as any other arrangement of bits. Yet you are specifically only interested in watching the arrangement of bits that people spent a lot of money and effort producing. So by your own actions isn't that an admission that some arrangements of data are in fact more valuable than others?You are only interested in combinations of 1s and 0s that cost a lot of money to produce, yet you refuse to contribute to any of that cost. Isn't that a little retarded on your behalf?
>>108831924>Somebody combined those ones and zerosSee >>108828759
>>108832171You are literally strawmanning in this reply by calling me a schizo and a bunch of other made up stuff, my reply actually gave concrete examples and you still haven't
>>108832187>nuh uh0/10Apply yourself.
>>108832194Really great discussion, thanks for being unable to provide a single concrete example
>>108832172>A movie is not "information"It is absolutely just "information". Any movie, book, video game, song, any piece of media is just ones and zeros that can easily be copied, shared, and enjoyed with all your loved ones with zero downsides or moral failings. Welcome to the 21st century, did you just wake up from a coma or something?>A movie is a piece of artAnd yet you're here justifying the ownership of every piece of our creative culture being privately owned by a soulless parasites that has no interest outside of maximizing their own profits. Being a buckbroken little bitch won't get you invited into the ranks of the bourgeoisie.>that people spent a lot of money and effort producingWe're still waiting for you to give an actual response to >>108828759
>>108828759The argument you're making is tangential to the idea of whether you should pay for something or notYou may also think that farmers are not fairly compensated for their work, but that doesn't mean you can just steal meat and veg from the supermarketYou should also consider that no software developer, artist or film director enters into a contract with a distributor against their own will. They willingly enter into these contracts because marketing and distributing their work actually requires a lot of time, money and networking they simply couldn't do by themselves.There is nothing stopping any of these people from self-publishing if they actually felt that doing so would be easier for them, would spread their work father and would make them more money. Most of these people don't because they realise none of those 3 things would happen.
>>108831904It's always the lowest common denominator in the thread that just assumes any rejection of the status quo must ACTUALLY be some kind of misunderstanding about the status quo. Needing to allow billionaire shareholders to "own" our creative culture and gorge themselves on profits for us to enjoy a movie, while the people that actually made the movie get scraps, sounds like a shit ass economic system and I don't actually care about perpetuating it. What about this confused you?
>>108832317People who are good at making investments tend to accumulate more wealth, yes.
>>108828321It's stealing, but it's completely okay to steal from whoever you don't want to (or can't) support
>>108832277>bourgeoise>>108832317>billionaire shareholders>economic systemOhhhhh okay so now you've slipped up and started putting the commie buzzwords in your replies I realise this is actually a completely pointless discussion because you're just shoving this topic through a worldview where you're never going to be convinced that people can own creative works because you don't believe in people owning anything
>>108832344>the people that inherent their fortune from mommy and daddy, the people who steal the surplus value of their employees labor for themselves, and the lucky few that governments happen to grant monopolies to tend to accumulate more wealth, yesYou will never be a capitalist.
>>108831904I do. But you missed the point of that previous post. I said it is about control of money flow. They don't really care how much anything is worth. As long as the see a stream of money, they want 'em that stream to be directed into their pocket. That is all. There are no morals, they don't care if movies are produced or not. You may care. They don't.So you know it's funny.If their profit margin on a copy can approach infinity, I can make it approach zero as well. It's fun.
>>108832371Are the people stealing the surplus value in the room with us right now?
>>108832368>commie buzzwordsLet me guess, you're American?
>>108832385No I'm not American, and I have never heard somebody who wasn't a communist use the phrase "bourgeoise"
>>108832368>Thought Terminating Cliches: The POST
>>108832376The owner of my local supermarket also just sees it as cash flow and I doubt he deeply cares whether farmers continue to grow onions and carrots. But I still pay for vegetables.
>>108832411So you're an American, we got it.
>>108832468No, like I said I'm not an AmericanDo you want to keep going around in circles?Do you think people in real life actually use communist words?
>>108828321>it's not x. it's y.Get out of here, cogwasher.
>>108832443I'd prefer whatever to supermarkets. They're middlemen. Big nose or not, I don't like middlemen in general. Usually nose is very big as well...And there's a funny thing actually. You pay more. Farmer makes less. As long as there's a supermarket in between. So maybe if someone robs it and it gets driven out of business, it will be replaced by something else. Something that also does logistics and sales, but you might pay less and farmer would make more. Not guaranteed, but possibility is not zero.
>>108832297See >>108832317Try to actually engage beyond reactionimage.png and make an actual point instead of deflecting this time.
>>108832411Afaik French use it. They're the original socialists. Commies are the fake ones.
>Shitposted this retarded thread on a pirated copy of Windows.
>>108832411lol im not even a commie but you should really try taking a trip outside of burgerstan someday before you double down on this any more
>>108832371Shouldn’t you be trying to incite a peasant revolt in some Russian village, comrade?
>>108831904>If nobody paid for movies people would stop spending money to make themGood, no one cares if goyslop producers make money or not, it's a filthy industry of rapist elites. Indie studios and producers on the other hand have actual fans that want to support them.
>>108832550I have literally never heard anyone use this word in England, I don't know why that is so hard for you to believe
>>108832603French are likely the only ones who use it casually. That word is obviously from their language. In other languages there likely already is a similar/same meaning native word for that, but "bourgeoise" was introduced to other languages by commies via their propaganda. So the native word would coexist with the "bourgeoise". And "bourgeoise" ended up as "commie slang".
>>108832297>but that doesn't mean you can just steal meat and veg from the supermarketwhy are you being so disingenuous? if i could CTRL+C and CTRL+V some cabbage for all my friends then why wouldnt i??? you know you're being a piece of shit comparing a physical item to a specific combination of ones and zeros written on a hard drive
>>108832701>French are likely the only ones who use it casuallyDid you really think anyone cared about your vibes-based analysis that you pulled straight from your ass?
>>108832702If you work an office job then why doesn't your boss just Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V all your work at the end of the day to avoid paying you? It's all just ones and zeros after all.
>>108828431>hired goons with guns will break into your home, kidnap you, and put you in a cage as punishment for sharing information with your communityIt's amazing that so many people here are quicker to justify this dystopian bullshit before they even get close to considering the fact we might have actually outgrown capitalism as a mode of production. But don't tell that to the retards here that wear 16th century English property law like a fucking idiotball jersey.
>>108832750If we've outgrown capitalism then what system should we use instead?
>>108832603You clearly never went to college, read history, or studied any of revolutionary movements. Did you go to a school for retarded pakistanis or something?
>>108828321Then sell the product to me. I wouldn't resort to piracy if there was an easy, non-gouged price I could pay.
>>108828321>Tell any fool that tries to moralize over piracy that it was never about actual theft, it was always about powerwhy? i can pirate in peace, they can't do anything about itlive and let live anon
>>108828431>No one can "own" intangible informationNo one can really "own" anything, ownership is a concept and prerequires either cooperation or the ability defend your property whether its you, a private militia group, or the government. And since its mostly the government these days, they can arbitrarily enact and enforce different types of ownership laws which include intellectual and digital ownership because thats what sensible people who value their labor want. When push comes to shove, no one ITT will ever admit that they would never allow a jeet or chinamen to make millions off their own 'intangible information' because they'd be outed as hypocrits. At least jeets don't make a stink about the morality of piracy, they simply admit they're thieves, western pirates lie to themselves to feel superior.
> go to /t/> turns out 95% of content being pirated is addictive, culture destroying pornography> they have the audacity to cry about itfucking jews, man
You wouldn't download a Porsche 911.
>>108828431>this post angers the corposhillNPCs seething
>>108828476+0.05 shekels>>108828463+0.05 shekels>>108828554Based
>>108834792>most people are goycattleOk but what if i needed to pirate some software to program my truck's new transmission?
>>108832731Nigga that's what's been happening the last 4 years kys
>>108828463if what he wrote is incoherent for you you must be very low IQ show your hands
>>108831904>NOOOOOOOOOOO you HAVE to give satanic pedophile rapists massive amounts of money and complete control over our culture or else the heccin' GOYSLOP industry will CRASH!!!!>NOOOOOOOOOOO we CAN'T just allow the real artists who make art for arts sake to fill that void instead NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-yeah man, what an absolute fucking tragedy
>>108831533>if i wasn't such a bitch then my husband wouldn't get pissed off all the time and hit me all the timewe're rapidly approaching levels of YIKES that were previously considered only theoretical
>>108828351>implying those same companies don't steal from and spy on people too without their consent and without compensationrules for thee but not for me
>>108834792> go onto the internet> turns out 95% of content is addictive, culture destroying social media.
>>108828321If corporations will legally steal from me then I'll illegally steal from them.Whatcha gonna do? ISPs no longer even have to enforce digital rights. It's game over anti-piracy bros.
>>108832903You idiot. There is no "capitalism" is a made up bullshit commie word.There is a free market. When 100% of the market is dominated by a single entity, that entity controls the government and your life, it is communism.You get it now? You're not "outgrowing the capitalism", you are turning into a commie shithole.Wake the fuck up.
>>108831533>I put a bluray disk in my drive and it plays without a hitch, I purchase a movie on amazon and it instantly streams in 4K, how am I being encumbered exactly?It's only a burden if you don't like sucking cock.
>>108839742You're like 30% of the way there, but seem to be stuck with a condition known as 'being American'. I hope for your recovery one day.
robin hood
>>108839742A system that can only exist with the protection of corporation with the monopoly on violence that owns prisons and can throw you in there when they feel like it is far from the default state of society.
>>108832903We don't need a new "system", just abolish private property and people will be free to create a local alternative that works for that environment. Capitalism is not just trade, it is a system that permits the hoarding of things with value.
>>108828321>it was always about powerI just wanna watch a movie man
