IT IS FUCKING OVER FOR NUCLEAR. GOT THAT NUKEFAGS? IT'S FUCKING OVER FOR YOUR PIECE OF SHIT OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY. RENEWABLES FUCKING WON. STOP SHILLING YOUR DOGSHIT NUCLEAR SLOP.
>>108841393>he thinks these powerplants will power more than a miniscule fraction of the countryLe mao
>>108841393Wind is not renewable dumb commie. There is only so much atmospheric currents to go around and you risk upsetting the fragile climate balance. Get vaccinated.
>>108841408You have no idea what is coming. A lot of normies don't get it. China is spamming solar. It doesn't make sense to build anything else except wind and gas to back it up. https://www.austinvernon.site/blog/expandingenergy.htmlThis is the most significant development to the electricity sector in 100 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkA7dML785o
>>108841449Solar is suitable for deserts that have already been decimated by a lack of carbon dioxide for plant growth. Over here they cut down woods to install solar farms which is some ass backwards communist bullshit.
>>108841393what about nuclear?
>>108841462What about cutting down woods to grow corn to turn into ethanol?
>>108841393nuclearfags like solar too
>>108841481Good question.Corn may be good for animal feed to grow food, it allows cars to go SUTUTU BANGBANGBANG and maybe even get some guys drunk.Who knows, we may need to consult Gemini.
>>108841470the ai hyperscalers want nuclear plants but its ingredibly cheap (thus low risk) to build solar farms or some such, they just sit there and you sell the energy to the market with low maintenance + assumptions about being able to install sodium ion batteries to cover downtimes
>>108841393>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340976154_Program_for_CNFC_RD_using_BN-800yeah the collapse of the west is going to become really apparent once we're not just behind China... but also Russia as well
>>108841577Meme tech. It ain't happening. At least not right now. Solar is happening right now. China is all in on renewables.
>>108841590>it's not happening... because it just won't ok?!?!?!?!
>>108841393Artificially cooked numbers counting domestic solar installation as 'solar plant construction'Of course there's a lot more 'solar plant' construction if sheeple are installing inefficient solar panels on their homes.
>>108841616Tell me right now how much uranium your meme reactor utilizes in terms of percent. I will give you a benchmark. Standard nuclear reactors get 0.6% of the energy from uranium. Now I want you to be very careful and technical here and tell me the percent that your meme reactors gets in comparison. I know that it's laughable low so I will give you another out. Next, tell me how much the most optimistic projections for it are decades out. You'll see it's a total joke. Solar which exists right now and is being produced right now can power the entire world.
>>108841624>smugly thinks this shit is about how much uranium it usesget a AI to give you a quick rundown if you can't be arsed to read the linksolar will never power the world because A. shitty power companies and governments would lose their monopoly if everyone simply had a solar panel on their roofB. there are places that don't get a whole lot of sun or wind for that matter you retard
>>108841668>>smugly thinks this shit is about how much uranium it usesYes that's what your meme reactor is about. It's because the terrestrial uranium resource is laughable so they need meme tech (which you linked) to stretch the uranium resource. But unfortunately, it's nowhere near ready or able to deliver a fraction of its theoretical promises. Solar is delivering day after day.
>>108841668you are a retarded goy cattle who has pledged subservience to the energy jew, do not reproduce
Reminder that one little nuclear power plant is the equivalent of 10 million fucking solar panelsBut yes, plaster the world with them and destroy more environments xDDD
>>108841684>Russia needs to stretch Uranium resourceskeep embarassing yourself retard>>108841700>lament the fact that not everyone gets to own their energy>get called "subservient to the energy jew"solartards truly are a sight to behold
>>108841736>incoherent babbleNuclear is dead. Bury it.
>>108841745>nuclear is dead>b-because it just is!
>>108841756It is dead by every objective measure in reality.
>>108841393>>IT IS FUCKING OVER FOR NUCLEAR. GOT THAT NUKEFAGS? IT'S FUCKING OVER FOR YOUR PIECE OF SHIT OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY. RENEWABLES FUCKING WON. STOP SHILLING YOUR DOGSHIT NUCLEAR SLOP.>Fake numbers I say, The green NEW SCAM has done DAMAGE to our economy let me tell you.>>Solar>Made out of poisonous material, believe me folks, this is poisoning our water.>>Battery storage>Absolutley terrible because batteries can only really be made by CHYNA!.>>Wind>If the scam couldn't be BIGGER, wind doesn't make electricity, it ONLY USES MORE and kills birds, we don't want that believe me folks.>>Natural gasThat's right, we need more GAS and OIL, Drill, baby drill.We wouldn't have to take INFERIOR technology if I were president, Barack Hussein Obama has done DAMAGE to our country!
>>108841760>It is dead by every objective measure in reality.
>>108841763Trump has a personal vendetta against renewables particularly wind probably because of the lawsuits involving his golf course in Scotland, but even he knows that nuclear is a total meme. Notice how he literally shills coal over nuclear. Which actually does make sense economically kek.
>>108841393A huge part of this is made by government distortion of the market and in so far as it is that it is a misallocation of scarce resources
>>108841684The actual numbers at current nuclear consumption are 100 years, 130 years in potential reserve, and 230 years predicted. So I can trust the rest of your numbers are full of shit.Also in the real world, based on actual scientific observation of dry casks, nuke waste storage is predicted to last for 1800 years. If at any time humanity figures out fast breeders all that nuclear waste is fuel.
>>108841852Good, you admitted 100 years it the timeline currently. Now scale that to any significant expansion of nuclear. Double? Halve that 100 years. And so on. >If at any time humanity figures out fast breedersYeah, two more weeks. You know what doesn't need to be figured out? Solar. We can literally just spam solar and it can supply multiples of current global electricity. And to top it off, there's perovskite tandem cells in the pipeline which could nearly double efficiency. Not that it's needed, but if nuclear fans are going to bring up theoretical tech, why not for solar? Solar doesn't need theoretical tech to stand on its own merits though, unlike nuclear.
I thought the whole 'only 100 years of nuclear fuel' thing was pushed by anti-nuclear organisations based off flawed numbers
>>108841941The number is consistent with known economical reserves. The ambiguity comes in with the definition of "reserve" (which the chart posted above clarifies). There's obviously more uranium than identified resources, but how accessible it is is another matter. And then you have meme techs like breeder reactors and seawater uranium extraction. I used to also think it sounded ridiculous. What? Only 100 years of uranium? If that's true then how come people still shill it? Surely this is false? Then I looked into it and it checks out.
>>108841393RENEWABLES FUCKING WON!!!!!!OILFAGS BTFO LOLOL
>>108841393Without nuke, we will never master intergalactic travel.And solar is fucking nuke at safe distance.
>>108841425And using solar would extinguish the sun faster.
>>108841408In ten years there will be more residential hydrogen seasonal storage/generation in the west than nuclear power.Not because nuclear power is inefficient, but because the west can't do megaprojects any more. Small nuclear is bullshit, small hydrogen will sell to richfag off gridders and people trying to avoid European's broken electricity prices. Once production of hydrogen storage is at GW per year scale, it will become cheap enough for everyone else.>>108841462If you make every fence of a large home out of bifacial panels and fill the roof with PV, you will have enough electricity to run the home and charge EVs year round. All that's needed to make PV work is cheaper storage.
watch AI firms lobby deregulating SMRs for ai datacenters
The US will continue to rely mostly on coal and oil because it's a dying state that can't actually maintain or improve its own infrastructureChina is building nuclear plants and solar which is the correct thing to do; I think Russia is too. Would be interested to see what minor powers are doing
Australia basically replaced their old coal and natural gas backup plants with battery almost entirely now. Lost cheaper, lot faster, lot more efficient, and the batteries last the same amount of time as other plants with zero maintenance required, and quieter.
>>108841449>capacityNow look at how much that solar actually ends up producing.In actuality that's irrelevant too unless you have grid storage for at the very least several days but let's ignore that for now.
>>108842696>All that's needed to make PV work is cheaper storage.It already happened (>>108843015), but it's getting even cheaper, and there's a new technology that reached large scale fabrication called sodium ion. We are living in exciting times in regards to the energy sector.
solar isn't renewable
>>108841449They are also spamming nuclearNuclear + solar is the future
>>108841449>>108843167China is adding more in solar per year than the entire US power grid is producing. And thats not even including their nuclear, coal, gas, hydro programs. Reminder, a nation's prosperity is tied to energy usage and energy production. If your nation isnt producing energy and isnt growing, then its a managed decline
>>108843162Australia is an edge case, most first world countries don't have that much sun year round.
>>108841668Why would you put solar on roofs? It makes it difficult to coordinate them, keep them performant etc. it's like saying everyone should have garden with veggies and a cow next to their home as if your average Stacy is capable of growing any of it.You put solar panels in solar farm so you can just hire one or two guys to clean them and keep them well maintained. With a lot of solars in one place it can justify having expensive equipment which will make it into primary power source and won't put unnecessary strain on the power grid like your typical home roof installations.Remember that small scale solar installations cause more trouble than benefit for the power grid as soon as you have any real load on it because they are not wave forming, just wave following. They make grid unstable and more likely to fail.>>108843182Nothing you've said conflicts with anything I've said.
>>108843165it's effectively infinite energy and is renewable for the lifespan of the human race
Taste the sun.
>>108843235And oil, gas, biomass and coal are all just the sun with extra steps.
>>108843216>its renewable if i change the definition of renewablecunt
trump will make solar panels illegal
>>108843264>definition of renewableNTA>Renewable forms of energy can be produced as quickly as they are used:>renewable energy sources such as wind and solar power
>>108841483This.Both can and should exist side-by-side.Putting all your eggs into one basket is actually the dumbest thing you can do.The great thing about electricity is that it can be generated in numerous ways so there is little chance of disruption.
>>108841483>>108843295real nuclearfags like solarbut what you'll see often is>we shouldn't spend money on solar, we should invest in nuclear instead>but also when it's time to invest in nuclear, here are the reasons why we cant do it>welp,better stick to fossil fuels instead
>>108843208energy independence. most people dont have enough space for a solar farm on their property. especially since you lose it for other purposeswhereas the roof is relatively unused even if it isn't as efficient
>>108843336>most people dont have enough space for a solar farm on their propertyThe point of solar farm is not to have one next to your house. Did you even bother to read my post?
>>108843344>energy independencedid you read the first two words of my post?
>>108843364Yes. A solar is not going to make you fully independent for majority of the places on earth. It also makes it very inefficient for the reasons I've provided earlier and the reasons provided by the anon I've originally replied to.Solars only make sense in large solar farms just like any other power generation.
>>108843396>if you aren't fully independent then it has no value???
>>108843406If you aren't independent then you aren't independent. At best it can provide some savings for you, but these savings would be greater, for you and for the society, if instead you had a solar installed in a high performance farm.
>>108843198theres wind and hydro for northern europe
>>108843476you can have independence without being fully independent.any level of energy you can produce on your own is protection from fluctuation against energy pricesand it is possible to get 100% energy production on home solar
a lot of nuclear deregulation and accelerated approvals have been happening this year, it will get better with our new DoE admins. We will see more nuclear, which is good because I think nuclear energy is cool which is the most important factor. >>108843182just producing the energy isn't the whole equation because the chinese government subsidizes energy costs so it's essentially free for all these factories and what not, will be hard to compete with that here unless our government realizes how important that is
>>108843622>any level of energy you can produce on your own is protection from fluctuation against energy pricesSo it's about saving money. And you would have saved more money if that solar was part of a large farm with dedicated staff instead of small scale roof installation that is way more difficult and time consuming to keep operating optimally.
>>108843685i cant tell if you're a jeet, illiterate, or just retarded
>>108843720Not an argument
bump solar fucking won
>>108841736tell that to your pregnant mom, newfag.
