Now that systemd is compromised, does this become the undisputed #1 distro?
>>108848283no
Why not Obarun?
>>108848339i'm not obama and i can't run
>>108848339qrd on Obarun. It seems interesting since they expand on s6, but it feels like it'd be like downloading a rando distro with next to no support.
>>108848283jeeted arch, im all good on that
>>108848372From what I gathered:>arch-based>no systemd>uses 66 which is built on top of s6 as the service manager>uses consolekit by default instead of elogind>maintained literally by one guy (Eric Vidal)Also he doesn't seem fond of Artix:https://forum.obarun.org/d/379-to-be-clear
>>108848512you can use seatd and turnstile instead of systemd and elogind without any problems on artix, just don't include elogind when you basestrap and makesure you configure turnstile properly and have any other package you need like dbus or apci or whatever. also his distro just looks like a nightmare every forum post is someone having a problem even in the general board.
>>108848531I have no idea what any of this means. Can you repeat it in English please?
>>108848283Tried artix once and it had some rando web browser installed by default which opened up like 6 web pages, including distrowatch, when I launched it. So its a kek from me.
>>108848512>One man trying to do arch-but-without-systemD>hates Artix>But can't keep up to date with qt and KDE/etc. because>he's just one manYeah... good luck to him, and you, but it isn't worth the headache of "OOPS, PACMAN SAYS UPDATES BUT DON'T DO THAT!"https://forum.obarun.org/d/822-always-double-check-for-obextraqt5-base-before-updating-qt
Gentoo is the only non joke, reliable, trusted distro for non-systemd at this time. either that or arch and suck up systemd. im sticking with arch for now
>>108848283No. Slackware, Gentoo, and the BSD's also exist.
>>108848283>Now that systemd is compromisedWhat am I missing?
>>108848578schizophrenia
>>108848540elogind is code taken from systemd that manages your session and seat, a lot of non systemd distros use it because it works well. seatd is an alternative standalone seat manager, and turnstile is a standalone session manager. turnstile can also be configured to set the xdg runtime dir which elogind would usually set, or you can install pam_rundir to do it. turnstile usually works best with the dinit init system as its configured by default to use it, but it works with runit too. and it works best with window managers that use wlroots as the compositor, I think because most other window managers need polkit which needs elogind. that's just my laymans understanding but I got seatd and turnstile working on my laptop with artix no problem
>>108848581Oh I see the just usual circlejerk, thanks.
>>108848601Does turnstile work with X11 desktop environments? most seem to depend on libelogind, can this dependency be swapped?
>>108848548The ISOs with DEs preinstalled aren't good and have laughable premade rices, but the base ISO is great and I haven't had problems with it>>108848339>no name distro maintained by 1 person
>>108848626xfce and lxqt can use consolekit2 in some distro. but window managers vs desktop environments is a good red pill for linux users to take. window managers are much more compatible with unix philosophy and alternative softwares, and run much lighter on your system.
>>108848770Woah. Always neat to see bedrock in the wild. Still haven't gotten around to testing it.
Something like that. More like the Artix/Devuan/Gentoo trinity.
Guix.Init system? You mean leading the herd?
>>108849490you need to go all the way and boot straight into emacs
>>108849504I did that for some years. The problem is that I was forced to use Windows at my job and I can't really replicate the EXWM behaviour on Windows. So I had to switch back to XFCE in order to have actual windows, also had to change a lot of key bindings to match the Winblows behaviour.I got bills to pay.
>>108849512>I got bills to pay.feel you, mans gotta eat
>>108848283>now
>>108848770Can I have the Horo wallpaper?
>>108849490Holy based
>>108849490> no horny japanese goblin as neofetch imageUnderwhelming.
>>108848283>nowIt has always been compromised. We have been calling it out before the mass adoption. I was using gentoo at the time but the trannies infected it as well.Nowadays I use mx linux. It's not perfect, but it's by far the best experience I've had these days. Love the mx-specific tools as well, super easy to image, backup and replicate.
>>108848283>Shartix Lmao no
>>108849490I wanted to use it ages ago but at the time it didn't support encrypted swap under root tree among other basic security features, and when I asked about it it was>use case???memes all over. Generally kinda buggy also in my experience.But that was long ago so did it improve in these areas yet?
meds
>>108848323>more popular means more gooderWindows won
>>108848283>Now that systemd is compromised
>>108851291It does support encrypted swap when it is declared as a swap device that depends on a mapped encrypted device, so it works with an encrypted root tree setup.https://forum.systemcrafters.net/t/hello-everyone-my-first-steps-on-guix-and-i-lost-my-swap/301https://guix-home.trop.in/operating_002dsystem-Reference.htmlhttps://guix.gnu.org/manual/1.5.0/en/html_node/Swap-Space.htmlhttps://guix.gnu.org/manual/1.5.0/en/html_node/Mapped-Devices.htmlExample: https://github.com/yveszoundi/guix-configtl;dr define the encrypted block device under `mapped-devices` and then define `swap-devices` with a `swap-space` that depends on `mapped-devices`.
install gentoo
>>108851420>oh honeyy>its time to compile firefox and the kernel again~~
>>108849721found it
>>108851450None of that takes more than 15-20 minutes at worst. Qtwebengine is where it gets you
Void is better than Shartix in every conceivable way
>>108851410Cool that they finally managed to implement it. They used to say they had plans for it for literal years but even on irc it was confirmed to me this wasn't possible at the time.I might revisit it. How good is it day to day? Is it stable? Fast? Any weirdness of note?
>>108851469So true, sister!#BlackLivesMatter
>>108851450When I was using gentoo I used a BINHOST for firecuck. But not the kernel, it's actually generally very fast to compile, partly because you generally don't do a full kernel compile every time.
>>108851469Last I checked, void's package manager couldn't even resolve dependencies during package removal, so it would break the entire world if you tried to removed orphaned packages.
Why does noone ever suggest Alpine in these threads?
>>108848283It doesn't matter because Linux is garbage championed by pseud faggots.
>>108851611be the change you wish to see
>>108851613Lol we literally dont think about you proprietary spyware peasants
>>108851617Ok, lets add Alpine to the list of un-pozzed distros.
>>108848283why are there so many fucking fartix threads at this point i'm a fan of systemd age verification all the way no thanks im staying on arch
>>108851664chromeos might be more your speed if you like taking it up the ass
>>108851621You don't seem very good at thinking in general.
>>108851469void is a tranny blm distro and therefore it's a vulnerable project just like arch. artix's founder explicitly rejected globohomo age verification nonsense and that's why i'm staying there. plus it's nice to have pacman and the AUR instead of literal who package management suite. if void does it i might consider it, not a second before
>>108851621There are constant threads about how Linux is totally gonna overtake Windows this year (it never happens). You can scarcely hold conversations about Linux without dragging Microsoft into it somehow. Windows in on your minds 24/7.
>>108851632Void is as unpozzed as you can get
>>108849490arisu in the wired???
>>108851696natural consequence of microsoft meddling in the x86 personal computer standard to the point of adding a dedicated ai slop key to every new keyboard or requiring a FAT32 partition to put your EFI binaries in. oh and don't forget UEFI's reference implementations all being designed around microsoft's signing keys so you'll never be truly free from them on most computers but go on
>>108851456here, have with some better quality
>>108851699#BlackLivesMatter sister!
>>108851712Well.... They do matter.
>>108851721Lmao. Yes, Void is for you.
>>108851733All lives matter, chud
>>108851748Yes, except white lives. They be rayciss.
>>108851733i hate niggers and trannies but I still use void. ugh yes i know artix "devs" are heckin based and le redpilled fellow chuds but im not using some hacked together arch clone. same reason im still using regular xorg and not xlibre made by some retard that doesn't know C. but he's based tho!!
>>108851410> Liberating> HackableYes.> DependableNot at all, lol. Maybe if all you ever need is a web browser.
>>108851800>i hate niggers and trannies but I'm still a nigger trannyWow, I couldn't have guessed if you hadn't told me, fag.
>>108851842niggers couldn't install void tho. artix has retard friendly graphical installer for based brown groypers like yourself.
systemd has a very large attack surface and it's only a matter of time before Mythos will pwn it to death. No other init system is free from attacks, but it's always worth looking into them
>>108851800>Trust me bro I'm not a troon but I use the defacto BLM/troon distroLmao
>>108848323>Pop! at number 4This is how you know popularity doesn't mean shit.
>>108851900Pop is actually pretty solid. Made by an all white team with zero DEI or politics.
>>108851863>only a matter of time before Mythos will pwn it to death.I'm looking forward to it. The thing about other init systems is they do much, much less on purpose versus systemd. Systemd's intent to take over the world will bite it in the ass with these automated vulnerability finders.
>>108851891void actually being good outweighs a tranny maintainer and a twitter post made years ago.i'm pretty sure arch is the eternal tranny distro. you are still using arch. it only took systemd "now" being compromised for you to "switch" to... arch again but now packages break more often because they are arch packages expecting systemd. fucking retard. if trannies really bothered you and you weren't a retarded arch user you'd be using slackware or hopped off of linux into bsds years ago.
>>108848283>Updates>Breaks you're systemNo.
>>108851711>better qualitylost the fangand the grass between her fingers/toes
>>108851456>>108851711My Korbo is so sezy
>>108851748>All lives matterReally?Do mosquitos really deserve to live?
>>108852098They play a role in a balanced ecosystem, so yes
>>108852127No, they actually don't. Mosquitos are the only useless living being on the planet, they are the only ones that can be safely genocided without any ecosystem shift whatsoever.
Sigh, this political bullshit again.Back to >>>/pol/We should get rid of everyone who cares about politics
>>108852127What is balance accept a arbitary point choosen?
>>108851924maybe AI vulnerability testing will usher in a new era of UNIX philosophy and optimization and i'm looking forward for it. we had enough webshitter and jeetcode to offset all the performance advantages claimed by hardware these last years. all you have to do is see how long windows takes to open the same file on the same filesystem compared to any random linux distro and you can see that keeping your code lean and mean matters
>>108852156Ticks can easily do the job and then some.
>>108852072buh
>>108851353More popular means more popular. Artix is not. OP's proposal was that Artix will become popular. The answer is still "no." And yes, Windows won on the desktop three decades ago, and continues to do so. And I say that as someone who switched away after Win7.
>>108851891me when im an incelchud who refused the troonpill and uses antix linux because its debian but with a repo that cuts out systemd and elogind
>>108852438mx linux is better
>>108848323>>108851900>>108851921The real answer: Cosmic on Artix
>>108852584Lol
>>108851812>not at all, lol. Maybe if all you ever need is a web browserWell, I have some services at my VPS where I serve around ~1000 users/day. It's nothing fancy, but it gets the job done without stress. It's a custom ISO at Hetzner.I tried installing neofetch in the VPS, but it's like almost a Gb of dependencies LMAO. Just asked chatGPT to generate a script to show some info there.
>>108852584probably systemd-dependent
>>108853236Post it to github with GPL license and call it gnu-fetch.
>>108848323they're usually lower btw, their live ISOs' browsers default to opening distrowatch on first launch in an attempt to bump their numbers up
>>108854752artix jeets need to buy an ad asap
>>108851921>Pop >zero DEImain COSMIC dev is a tranny that wears cat ears in public btw
>>108848578d is like service in linux process naming system as a service
>>108851664the shilling has become so obnoxious that I'd rather stay on systemd I'm not even gonna lie
>>108851394little anons might be interested running linux in multiuser mode
>>108848601So what you're saying is that even systemd-less chud distros are too woke for TRVE chuds, so now there's a new class of distros that remove elogind to own the libs? When does this shit end?
>>108851709can win11 boot from vfat?
>>108848323>VOID more popular than ArtixLol. Based
Void mogging without artificially inflating their distrowatch hits
>>108848283>Now
>>108854778that... that explains a lot.
>>108851963you overestimate how much systemd actually does, everything works fine without it nobody has issues. I've only ever had to make my own init run script for runit once to launch a daemon and that was years ago (and they package one for that software now anyway)
>>108848283I use Artix and it's pretty good. But I wouldn't recommend it to a beginner or a computer illiterate person.Fedora kinoite can be the distro of the "year of Linux desktop", not Artix
>>108851456>>108851711Thanks pookies
>>108848283nuh uh
>>108856188I have literally never managed to install devuan even once and I tried many times. Either it seems to be installed but it fails to boot (e.g. grub can't find the image or it panics on load), or it breaks in the installer.Debian does not have this problem.Neither do the non-systemd distros I actually use.
>>108856253use the netinstall iso, the yad-based installer on the live desktop is just broken beyond hope
>>108856272Will keep that in mind next time I try it!
