Juniper editionprevious >>108791712READ THE (temp)WIKI! & help by contributing:https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Home_server/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn about networking by standing up a OPNsense/PFsense box and configuring some VLANs. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think you’re god-tier already? Setup OpenStack and report back.>What software should I run?Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.>Why should I have a home server?De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.>Links & resourcesCool stuff to host: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhostedhttps://reddit.com/r/datahoarderhttps://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/wiki/indexhttps://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/FeaturesARM-based SBCs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGaVu0sPBEy5GgLM8N-CvHB2FESdlfBOdQKqLziJLhQLow-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCISFF cases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/Cheap disks: https://shucks.top/ https://diskprices.com/PCIE info: https://files.catbox.moe/id6o0n.pdf>i226-V NICs are bad for servers>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT modeWiFi fixing: pastebin.com/raw/vXJ2PZxnCockpit is nice for remote administrationRemember:RAID protects you from DOWNTIMEBACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS
>>108853564old hddold raspberry piv9fs 9p lan mountmost epic nas>hurr dockerI just buy more used raspberry pis, export the root with v9fs over lan and put them all in a big drawer in my kitchen>easy to use interfaceit's called a filesystem dumbass
>>108853675nice
I run a jellyfin server, my own SMTP and XFTP server with SimpleX, qBittorrent and that's about it. I have at last 320TB of storage, AM4 and 74GB of RAM running Linux. What else could I be self hosting? I
>>108854470>320TB of storage>What else could I be self hosting?if you have all that storage and nothing to store on it, might I interest you in storing all of my porn? I could easily take 25% of your storage
>>108854470I like running little services like a home screen for my phone with all the links I want (heimdal), calendar, obsidian hosting, matrix server. I would also like to find more every day uses for my serverHow many TBs do you have after striping/redundancy?
>>108854470what kind of parity do you have?
>>108853564wtf is she about to eat that grass?
The SSD in my NAS is currently way over its estimated lifespan at >160% percentage used. Available spare is still at 100% though. Are there any other metrics I should be keeping an eye on to see when it might finally start to deteriorate?
>>108854470cloud storagedocs servera better music servergit serverpassword managerhome assistantjust look at the stuff you regularly use and think if it's realistic to host (as in, doesn't hard depend on data you can't get) and you'd be willing to be responsible for it
>>108856297I'm thinking my open MAP and GPS server. Is this possible?
>>108856297>a better music serverLike what?
>>108856433Your choices for music are Jellyfin's shit performance or Subsonic-compatible servers' broken authentication. Navidrome, LMS, and gonic are names I see regularly. LMS is the only one I can see that actually lets you use a non-login password for the API.Both sides have usable apps and they all have different features, which makes your flavour of frontend somewhat opinionated.
>>108856483>Subsonic-compatible servers' broken authenticationWhat's broken about it?
>>108856508You either send your password in plaintext or the server has to store your password in plaintext.
>>108856483>LMSThis? https://lyrion.org/
>>108856548https://github.com/epoupon/lms
>>108856530How is it in plaintext if I'm using TLS?
About to host my own XMPP server. Going to use Prosody. Anyone got any tips to save myself some frustration? RTFM sure sure but I'm talking tips n tricks like lowering the MTU on wireguard for overhead while accessing smb folders (no guide explained that shit).
>>108853564Link the og
Is tailscale acting up for anyone else? I was trying to move some files to my nas on my home lan (winblows to truenas, smb via local ip NOT ts ip) and it was being absolutely glacial, even opening a folder and waiting for the contents the populate was painfully slow. Long story short it turns out the traffic was being routed through tailscale and presumably their servers for some strange reason and so was only doing 20 to 25 megaBITS, I closed tailscale and after retrying the copy I immediately was getting full near gigabit transfer rates and practically zero waiting when browsing files again. This has never happened before and I haven't changed anything anywhere. Checking tailscale status in cmd showed only one device listing an IP and direct connection status, other devices that I know are on, connected and on my wifi like my phone just had a dash and other ones that were off were of course shown as disconnected.
planning switch to xcpng from esxitried proxmoxfeels kinda fragile to mecant stand seeing guides where they are making changes straight on the hypervisor routinelyfucking hell I am no documenting that to know every tweak I didplus windows VMs required kinda lot of tinker and reading on all the settingsalso seeing containers running straight on it instead of on having a VM for them...weirdanyone got experience with xen and xcpng?
>>108857226wasn't there a guy the other day around these threads saying>hey brace yourselves for a Tailscale rug pull, it's comingi dont mean to sound like an alarmist fag but still
>>108857284been using xcpng at home for 4 years. i always find myself surprised how well it justwerks. like if you want to change a management IP address or something you assume something will catastrophically fuck up but it always just works. way more reliable than vmware ever was at my old job.the only real gotcha is initial setup can be a bit of a pain because afaik they still haven't got the new basic host-based web interface working very well so you can't really make vms or configure storage or anything easily until you have the appliance installed (use the ronivay xen orchestra installer script on github). but you probably want a vm set up to run the script in so it's a bit chicken and egg. the windows xcp-ng centre works okay for this, i don't know what options there are for other OS. Once you get over that hurdle it's smooth sailing.oh and debian default package repos don't have the guest tools, you have to install them manually.now that pcie passthrough can be done in the frontend those are the only complaints ive ever had
>>108857373tailscale already updated their policies recently. they're still trying to accumulate goodwill and lock in users before the rugpull
>>108857460Nice.I tested xcpng on few machinesto get the feel how it works and so far I like itwent with ronivay docker image running on my current docker hostI tested passthrough with intel igpu and jellyfin in a VM and it worked tootested guest tools and parravirtualized drivers tooalso tested migration of a VM from esxi to xcpng and it worked toobackups worked finestill waiting for some free time to actually get going with the move
>>108856483Tey mStream, it allows API use without login
>>108853564Source
>>108857373Routing all traffic through their servers dramatically increasing costs and tanking user experience in hopes of driving more subscriptions and/or free users off the platform doesn't really sound like an effective rug pull when you're built on free software that anyone can use and can run on a potato (wireguard), have a self-hosted alternative that does the same exact thing (headscale), and a user base that is mostly comprised of people tech savvy (autistic) enough to set up the above on their own and migrate off of your service without much hassle. Not saying they won't do it, just saying it doesn't sound like a very smart idea. >>108857566What exactly did they change that is concerning?
>>108857941nothing concerning. i was saying that the recent changes are the opposite of concerning and that whatever issues they're experiencing right now likely aren't from a rugpull i do expect them to start ruining it once the free vc money runs out though
>>108858060Oh gotcha. Yeah, hopefully since they mostly just work as a coordinator rather than an actual VPN or cloud storage their storage, bandwidth and compute costs are low enough that that won't happen for a while (or even better, never).
What even is the use case for Tailscale over just vanilla Wireguard? Assuming personal use obviously
sauce
What are some things I could host for my parents to make their lives a bit better?
Lads, I'm looking for some help. I'm wanting to finally set up some sort of reverse proxy/domain to remove the need to type a full IP address and port each time I want to access one of my services. The goal here is: simple names and certificates for HTTPS. I've been doing lots of reading, and I cannot for the life of me figure out the best, simplest method for this. So far, the most likely option seems to be grabbing a domain name from someplace like DuckDNS, setting up Caddy as a reverse proxy, and then doing some sort of magic between the two along with AdGuard Home to get the naming sorted. Not really wanting to go the self-signed route, but this whole effort is for internal services only. I can already access my stuff outside my home network via tailscale, so I want to also ensure that doing something like described above doesn't reveal anything in my home network to the internet. I also read about something like DNS01 to help prevent the need to open a port, which sounds nice.What do yall do? Any recommendations or guides that aren't reddit-level of slop?
if i want to run a server and for example use stream my anime to my phone when i'm visiting relatives, is the right way to do this to wireguard into my server and then just run mpv-android or possibly jellyfin?
>>108858446if you dont have public ip then tailscale is what you want
Another lifetime plex pass increase. 749.99 is beyond the pale.https://www.plex.tv/blog/new-lifetime-plex-pass-pricing/
>>108854935>How many TBs do you have after striping/redundancy?317 TB
>>108855013>what kind of parity do you have?317TB (320TB) xfs RAID0 scratch pool. I don't hoard. I prefer only to store the things I am interested in on another 120TB btrfs raid0. so no parity.
>>108858430I do DNS-based ACME challenges (DNS01) and have my local DNS server rewrite the domain name for me. If I were you, I would set up a local DNS server like Adguard Home before I set up certs. It's a useful thing to have and kind of a project unto itself.
>>108858430I use a Let's Encrypt certificate I get via a DNS challenge using acme.sh with Cloudflare API keys.I CNAME my domain records, so plex.server.com is a CNAME to server.internal, and then I resolve server.internal on my router to the actual server. The only problem with this is Windows, since Windows absolutely fucking hates this and refuses to resolve like half of the time. Thankfully I only use Windows for gaming, but sucks whenever I need to access any of the internal services there.
>>108858776Ha, I actually switched over to Adguard Home yesterday after years of using pihole. Back when I had pihole I played around with local name records and such which worked (as far as I can remember), and debated doing the same thing again with Adguard but figured I should go the full proxy/public domain name route so that I don't have to set it up later. I will look into the ACME challenges. Just to make sure I understand correctly - you are using some sort of public domain name and you have it configured with your DNS server to do the ACME challenge? >>108858843Another mention of ACME, got it. I also looked a bit into Cloudflare as an option, I'll do some more comparisons here as well. I also really need to sit down and refresh my memory on the differences between CNAME and A records again. It's been years, but the process that you described makes sense. Appreciate the help bros. This is the least fun part of the entire lab experience in my opinion.
>>108859037>differences between CNAME and A records againA record points to an IPv4 address.CNAME points to a domain name.
>>108854904I don't think he wants to get arrested
>Plex lifetime pass now costs a million dollarsDo I have any protection from possible rug pulls if I bought a lifetime pass a few years ago at a reasonable price? No sane person must work there anymore so I'm preparing for something ridiculous to happen to existing members.
>>108859210Not a million but holy shit I just checked>Lifetime: $249.99 (Increases to $749.99 on July 1, 2026)$800 just to use a media player?!
>>108859210>>108859233How much does it cost/how much asspain is it to setup a vpn/reverse proxy into my server to watch things when away from home? I assume I need a domain name at the least?
>>108859210Understand that if you are using a service that requires external resources that it may be rug pulled anytime.>>108859233Plex does enumeration and authentication for accessing other servers. It's not free to operate and Plex is running into the same shit other services are in that it's basically business suicide to sustain a service or actively support a product in perpetuatey based on a one time payment.
>>108859292>Plex reaches hilarious levels of pricing>All other competitors are freeAre you sure?
>>108859210lmao doesn't this shit mean that these niggers are in a terrible financial situation now?i was running this shit for free for a while but selfhosting with paid service seems retarded
>>108859210>>108859233Infinite growth, motherfucker
>>108859345Im self hosting it but the only I paid for years ago was to be able to use clients from anywhere. They try to charge you per client, so I simply paid for infinite client usage no matter the device. And thats just to connect to my own damn server. But it wasnt much so I did it and was one time. I actually have no idea who would pay for this. What does it even give you?
>>108859345They're moving to a sub only model, which is probably more lucrative in the long run
>>108859269>I assume I need a domain name at the least?Not really.
when is hardware coming down? i need more space but i'm not paying 200 dollars for a 2 tb hdd.
>>108860389It's not. It just keeps going up. I'm still waiting for the day I can buy an 8TB NVMe drive for less than a grand.
Just got this in the email from Plex
>>108860539750 dollarydoos? what the fuck
>>108860594Should have bought it years ago when it cost fuck all. Most people have been grandfathered in for years.I don't know why a new user would use Plex anymore. Either you're one of the old guard or you should just use Jellyfin/Emby.
>>108860539who even uses plex? retards? trannies? retarded trannies?
>>108860619But yeah, this is bad. I suspect they want people on recurring subscriptions and are regretting the fact they ever offered a lifetime pass in the first place.
>>108860625I do but I dont use the subscription tier cause I self host.
>>108860619Yeah, I wouldn't bother setting up Plex in 2026 as a new user. $750 is just too fucking much. I got mine for like 88€.
>can't boot either uefi/legacy from backplane because it goes through it flashed hba cards>don't want to install os on thumb drive in usb due to reliability>satadom is expensive and apparently unreliable>modular psu with lost cables, no sata power cables plugged in, no free molexam i fucked into buying a new psu just to get a boot device working?
>>108860619It's probably worth buying before the price hike. Absolutely not worth buying after that. Assuming they don't shit the bed in the next couple of years, it will be better than paying monthly. Paying couple of hundred is probably worth it still
>>108860805>>modular psu with lost cables, no sata power cables plugged in, no free molexJust buy some cables for your PSU model. If you're paranoid by a $5 multimeter and check the voltage on each pin Also I'm surprised you can't see any boot devices from your BIOS. I was kinda shocked when I saw every single HDD as a boot device in my BIOS with an HBA. The UEFI should recognize the HBAs option ROM.
>>108860878nope nothing visible in bios, only in the installer. apparently the IT firmware i flashed disables booting from them.it's an evga 750 gq, infamous for even switching out its cable pinouts throughout its lifespan
>>108860902>it's an evga 750 gqTime to let go.
>>108860812I'd say they've been shitting the bed quite hard lately, with the push for sharing and streaming. Really the only thing keeping on Plex is momentum, since I have a working setup and I don't have to pay for Pass ever again (unless the suits decide that lifetime isn't lifetime).
>>108860902>find a physically compatible cable from any PSU with similar connectors>get one of these bad boys for like $2 (or just use staples, a bit annoying but perfectly doable if you only need to do it once)>check all voltages with a multimeter>repin new cable to make it electrically compatible with your PSU>double check voltages again
>>108861094by "shitting the bed" I meant something like introducing an additional tier with new features that don't apply to current lifetime subscribers
>>108861084yeah i don't think i have much of a choice, sucks to spend another 100 bucks though>>108861103too scared to do that kinda stuff
>>108859037>Just to make sure I understand correctly - you are using some sort of public domain name and you have it configured with your DNS server to do the ACME challenge?I bought a public domain name, and I have it connected to a DNS provider. This lets me get an API key that I can give my reverse proxy so that it can handle the DNS challenge automatically for me. But I do the domain name -> reverse proxy IP mapping on my own local DNS server. You can also do this on the DNS provider dashboard, but I prefer not to do it that way. Sorry if this is confusing at all, I'm far from knowledgable.
>just rawdogged WireGuard between two remote devicesHeh, time to get rid of Headscale/Tailscale.Who needs 'em?The quick start guide on WireGuard's homepage is simple enough, but I had to learn that the automatically made ListenPort when creating the WireGuard interface was the one the other peer needs to have in its endpoint configuration, not just 51820. To be fair, the AI kinda screwed me there, but it helped me solidify my understanding of the whole thing. As long as one of the peers has a stable address, I shouldn't have to worry since the other can easily establish a handshake, and the "server" peer doesn't even need to have an endpoint set (in fact, it shouldn't, although it won't really hurt).However, this isn't necessarily always the case... Next step setting my VPS as a central hub for clients to traverse endpoints somehow maybe?
found the psu box in one of my wardrobes with cables still in it, hell yeah. upgraded the ram while i was at it. rip uptime of 2+ years, rip old usb boot flash drive that lasted for almost 10 years
>>108853564Sauce on this semen demon?
>>108862453>>108858382>>108857815>>108856739oichi
Moved my synology from house to house, was very careful with it. Didn't remove the drives like a dumbass. After the move, one drive failed, waranteed, got a replacement - a second drive says it is "detected" in red. 3 drives total and the SHR only allows one failed drive. I'm sort of shitting bricks hoping I can recover everything
>>108862616how did hdd's become so fragile? i have two wd's from 2016 that i have dropped countless times and still work fine.
pocketid is great software
>>108861721After thinking it over, all I need is to make a script/program that parses the output of "wg show all dump" from whatever peer I consider the foundation of the network (server) to generate configs for all peers. That alone saves a ton of work for setting up a mesh topology which handles dynamic changes too (client peers will always supply their endpoint to the server peer). Automated retrieval and WireGuard interface update should be simple for Linux clients at least.
>>108859210>$750Thats enough to buy a machine + storage at modern prices to run Jellyfin, hell it only needs an N100/N150 machine your could buy 2-4 depending on how beefy you wanted the rest of the setup to be.
this github breach has convinced me to self host gitea
>>108861721>I had to learn that the automatically made ListenPort when creating the WireGuard interface was the one the other peer needs to have in its endpoint configuration, not just 51820. To be fair, the AI kinda screwed me there, but it helped me solidify my understanding of the whole thing.
>>108863182>Thats enough to buy a machine + storage at modern pricesMaybe a terabyte.
>>108863713brand new 2x8TB + some used optiplex or even 2bay synology from ebay, enough for me
Your thoughts on decentralized backups, like filecoin? Being a tard I only just discovered this exists. Can you basically just offer a piece of disk space in exchange for your own 'out there' backup?
>>108864561i googled filecoin and i got 9 billion indian cryptoscam sitescould you be more specific?and no i am not googling againand no i will not ask some LLM about it
>>108864561Anything ending in "coin" sounds immediately suspicious, and is probably just faggot hoping to get rich fast.
>>108864763fair enough, but federated backup seems like a good idea at first to me
>>108864773There was that one decentralised storage solution that absolutely shredded SSDs, so people wouldn't run them on their own devices (because why would you destroy your own hardware for this?), and instead ran them on commercial server providers, who then promptly banned running the service on their devices.
does jellyfin and radarr support multiple movie versions at once? it automatically pulled shit quality with eng language. i imported new torrent into qbittorrent and now it displays one (new) version in radarr and jellyfin, the old one is still in qbittorrent but doesn't show in radarr or jellyfin
I have Plex working locally, but I would like to access this outside of my network. Do I setup Jellyfin (and possibly pay for a domain name and whatever else), or just install Tailscale and remote directly into my homeserver and use Local plex? Tailscale seems cheaper and easier?
>>108863709I also had to learn that you can't have overlapping IPs in AllowedIPs for all your peers in your WireGuard config. At some point I thought I could just put the entire subnet in there for convenience, which is fine for the clients in a hub-and-spoke topology, but definitely not for the server.I need to use less AI though (in general), even for just "confirming" things. It's surprising how much time it can end up wasting.
>>108865335Tailscale would be easier, although free Plex is a bitch and will block you using a VPN if your VPN is in a different subnet, since they want you to buy a remote pass.
>>108865335tailscale + jellyfin
Do nix server fags still use containers for a lot of things? I was looking at the nix podman stacks project and it got me wondering.
>>108865628Wtf? If I am remoted into my home PC and access it via the browser, how would it even know?
>>108865726plex is loaded with telemetry which is why even Lifetime* Plex Pass™ owners should be migrating away from it* terms and conditions apply
>>108865726>how would it even knowVery easily if you're coming from another subnet. If the server sits at 192.168.1.100 and your VPN client is at 10.100.0.123, it'll decide that you're not a "local" client and block you.
>>108865923I would delete that shit right away if I was using it.
For my use case, it seems the best option is mini-itx box with integrated cpu and some drives in it, running windows, hooked to a router. But how to set it up for the first time? Should I just buy external monitor and keyboard? I plan to install win 10 itsc on it and I know it has driver issues so autounattend.xml probably is not the solution here. If I install it into usb enclosure and then move then windows may lock out or it will fail to boot due to different controllers. Any solutions? >pic unrelated
>>108866104>mini-itx box with integrated cpu and some drivesGet ATX for proper airflow instead of cooking the drives, stop watching minisforum tiktoks
>>108866104what is your use case
I used plex for about a month. The way it cataloged my tv shows and movies pissed me off. Also, if you're in HSG you're probably privacy focused and not wanting to give your data to a corporation..? Maybe I'm a schizo or an opsec larp but I don't trust anyone that I don't have to
>>108865923That's actually insane, thanks for letting me know. I'll probably set up Tailscale with my existing Plex anyway, and if this happens just setup Jellyfin in its place.
I bought a shitty thin client and installed debian 13 on it without a DE so I could install home assistant and a discord music bot through dockerI did all of this with the help of AIignoring the fact that I'm most likely open to many attack vectors now, I am proud of myselfdoubly so as I haven't actually learned anything
>>108866251atx is bulky why would I want it? Im not installing gpus or overclocked cpus in it
>>108867346Drives are also bulky, but I'd rather install my drives inside a case than have them litter around it.I'd even buy something like the Fractal Define XL if I was planning on a massive amount of drives, even if I was just gonna use an mATX board in it, just to have the drive bays.
>>108866399shared network drive with mirroring for family and friends available 24/7 over lan
I'd like something that'll take a file and store it, along with tags, or comments, or some way of identifying and labelling the file. Ideally it'd have some kind of support for a file hierarchy. Use case is playing around with text generation: this is the text at point A, this is point B, this is when I went back to A and now I'm on branch C, and so on.Obviously there's 'just use a directory structure and filenames', but, I'm wondering if there's something that understands file versioning, supports metadata and so on. Suggestions?
>>108859233>$800 just to use a media player?!And all the juicy, juicy user data on top of that as well, let's remember. Perhaps it doesn't email pirateshitwefoundonthisserver.csv to the CIA, but they'll of course track when it's used, how long it's used, library size, and all the other metadata that data brokers - sorry, 'trusted third party partners' - will resell to Netflix.
What is the unretarded way to run (and manage) a minecraft server on another computer in the network? Right now I am SSHing into the server to start it (I'm aware I can automate this) but I know there has to be an existing solution. Everything I see on google is for running on your PC.
>>108868713Other than the obvious, what's the point of a Minecraft server?
>>108869386to have a good time playing with your buddies>>108868713Create a systemd unit for it, if you have different worlds, create a separate user for it, I could pastebin what I have but my server is offline due to a fucking upgrade from Debian 12 to 13 that I have to fix
>>108862492not a linkrequery: post link
>>108868713is minecraft server single threaded? or i'm thinking about something else
>>108868713https://pelican.dev/
>>108870323>is minecraft server single threaded? or i'm thinking about something elseyes and no, chunk generation is threaded but the main game runs in a single thread
How do you deal with noise coming from the box? Drives spinning, seeking, fans
>>108870417well, it doesn't make any sound
>>108870417wrap the entire thing in plastic wrap then put a mattress over it in the hottest part of your house.or just stick it in a closet.
>>108870417I just live with the pain.
>>108870417It's pretty quiet aside from the fans which aren't an annoying sound. I have ac going 24/7 365 anyways.
>>108870417It's better than hearing just my tinnitus
>>108863377>gituse case?
>>108853564i got a swiss vps and am running my web server (nginx), vaultwarden, headscale and tailscale (as exit node mainly) from it. pretty comfy, didn't know vps's were this easy, its costing me less than 3£ a month
>>108870417get a better case, insulate the drives so they don't make as much noise etc, you get used to it
New hard drives are here!
>>108872372give it back Jamal
Setting up Jellyfin, am I expected to actually use this shit for my pirated anime?
>>108872681use infuse ;)
>>108872686What the fuck is infuse
>>108872681>metadataUse case? Just go to the anime's directory
>>108872713That was my intention but what the fuck is thisI have no intention of changing my folder structure or filenames for Jellyfin>2026>>01 Winter / 02 Spring / 03 Summer / 04 Fall>>>[show name]>>>>"[SubsPlease] whatever.mkv"How do I get it to just group by folder
>>108872681Does Jellyfin not have third-party providers like Plex?
proxmox 9.2 released
>>108873268update now or wait? i have minor ptsd from 9.0 upgrade
>>108872680I wish I stole them. Had to shell out 800€ for them.
>>108873519what kind of moron is buying anything computer related right now?
>>108874289People who need anything computer related.
>>108874289boy I wish I still had the naivety that prices will still go down