>>108856714
I can't tell if this is pro- or anti-GNOME.

>>108856730
It's both

>>108856714
GNOME is literally the least Windows-like DE on any Unix-like system.

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>>108856714
>use gnome
meds

>>108856714
Modern GNOME is nothing like a classic UNIX workstation.

>>108856714
> windows 10 larp, even when 11 is already out
> 7.0 will be win11 larp

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>>108856714
ok

>>108856795
>krashes
there's a reason why corporations who use servers don't use kde

>>108856714
so why not hyprland? why gnome?

>>108856795
>new krashes!

>>108856795
>KKKDE
Sorry, Microshill. I’m not using your Neo Nazi Holocaust desktop environment.

>>108856868
the reason is that its not necessary, meanwhile every gaming device running linux is using KDE in the background. it recently got $1M in funding lol
no amount of krash memes will stop KDE from growing and winning

I give GNOME $500 a month.

>>108856995
>muh gaming
Weird how a community filled with mentally ill open-source anti-proprietary retards did a complete 180 and now suck off Gabe, steam, and everything close-sourced & proprietary when it comes to games. You people continue to be the biggest hypocrites.

>>108856868
moron
it's not because kde is bad, but because it's unstable. kde is rolling, gnome is stable. corporations like stable, therefore they go with gnome.

>>108856868
You wouldn't have a DE on a server...

>>108857844
Gnome cucked out. I run void to avoid (no pun intended) systemd. Now that gnome is systemd only... Fuck gnome

>>108857988
Void + GNOME was such a good combo, I'm so fucking upset by this

>>108858197
More and more software will move towards systemd and wayland only. Eventually the only thing separating distros will be the package manager, everything else will be virtually identical.
This is the result of faggots and retards pushing for "the year of Linux desktop" and the normiefication of it

Motif/CDE?

>>108857007
And what have you gained in return

>>108856714
Thanks, but I'm gonna stick with COSMIC.

>>108856868
Servers generally do not use any Desktop Environment (DE) like KDE or GNOME. Running a graphical user interface (GUI) on an enterprise server wastes system resources (CPU and RAM) and increases the "attack surface" for security vulnerabilities. Linux servers are almost always managed entirely via the command-line interface (CLI).
>>108857054
For decades, playing mainstream games on Linux was incredibly difficult. Valve created Proton (a compatibility layer), which allowed thousands of Windows games to run flawlessly on Linux.

Unlike many corporations that just take open-source code, Valve heavily funds Linux developers, contributes directly back to the Linux kernel, and boosts open-source graphics drivers (like Mesa).

>>108859348
None of that has to do with the fact that Linux cultist always praised Linux for being open-source, secure, privacy focused, etc. all while bashing Windows users for gaming. Now they have done a total 180, sucking off gaming, Gabe, closed-sourced software, proprietary drivers, etc.
>Valve heavily funds Linux developers, contributes directly back to the Linux kernel
So does Microsoft and yet you people hate them. Weird how the hypocrisy just keeps coming. Linux kernel has a lot of code contributed by multinational corporations and the CCP. You'll gladly take that, but attack those same companies. Pure hypocrisy.

>>108859247
Quality free/libre software.

>>108860067
>changes things

>>108856714
This is actually a good post. Entitled winbabbies think "switching to Loonix" means "windows but free" when it actually entails a fundamental restructuring of entire workflows, tools, etc

>>108860206
Why would you do that?

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>>108856714
>Adopt a Unix workflow.
Like this?

>>108856868
>Running a server with a DE
huh?

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>>108856855
No, like this.

>>108856868
Yeah, they use TTY like they should be.

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Microsoft didn't really invent that workflow. They copied it from RISC OS.

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I use gnome because everything works out of the box (I don't use extensions) and I don't need to customize things like for kde. Also, the gnome file picker is better than the gtk one. The only thing that's kinda annoying is that you can't tile backgrounds.

>>108856990
>Neo Nazi Holocaust desktop environment.

Please stop selling it so hard I don't wanna use plasma, but if you keep it up I'll have to.

>>108860543
Also forgot to mention that the default highlight color on kde is an eyesore and the default gnome one is much better.

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>>108856714
But I need Affinity.

>>108856714
>gates' balls
why is it your turn now?

>>108860610
https://github.com/ryzendew/Linux-Affinity-Installer

>>108860675
I got it running in Wine a while ago but it's very buggy. Half the canvas wouldn't render but instead stay pure black, which is a game-breaking bug that makes it fundamentally unusable for me.

They're reportedly considering porting it natively to Linux so I'll keep my fingers crossed.

https://techcentral.co.za/affinity-for-linux-canvas-next-big-move-could-reshape-the-desktop-software-market/274861/

Until then I can dual-boot but I can't fully leave Windows unfortunately. However, my tolerance for Windows 11 is wearing thin so I've been pushed toward considering getting a Mac as my work machine so I can ditch Windows while being able to continue using my pro apps. Then I can just fully dedicate my current PC to Linux in the future.

I use XFCE w/ AppFinder, hidden panel, and XLibre backend. it's infinitely superior to METAPHOR FOR CHILDREN
I mean, GNOME

>>108860789
Edit -> Settings -> Performance -> Turn off "Enable OpenCL compute acceleration"

This fixes the partial black screen graphical issues. Theoretically, without the acceleration the program isn't as snappy as the Windows version, but from my experience the program isn't performance-heavy and remains smooth on Linux with OpenCL turned off.

>>108860914
>xlibre
>not a child
pick one

>>108860245
>Entitled winbabbies think "switching to Loonix" means "windows but free"
GNU/Linux exists because people wanted free (as in freedom) operating system

>>108860543
>Also, the gnome file picker is better than the gtk one
is it part of libadwaita or what? How did they separate gtkfilechooser from gtk?

>>108861421
Linux exists because Torvalds didn't want to pay for UNIX.

>>108856990
>Neo Nazi Holocaust desktop environment.
WTF I love KDE now!

>>108861454
GNU exists because Stallman was autistic about printers @ MIT (iirc)
Linux exists because Torvalds wanted to run *nix on his i386 and Minix had a "for schools only" loicense

both clearly wanted freedom

>>108860474
I'd rather use actual CDE

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>>108861430
>is it part of libadwaita
I'm pretty sure it is

>>108861888
Can it handle 80k images in one folder tho

>>108861962
show your reaction images folder anon and yes it probably can.

>>108862135
My reaction folder only has 4k images

>>108856714
>Get Gates’ balls out of your mouth.
kek this
I run xfce and use a few things from gnome

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>every one of these threads

>>108856734
>his shill was so bad he had to make another post to clarify it
smartest gnomefaggot

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>>108856868
Post beef.

>>108863883
Take meds.

>>108856990
Good and keeps KDE's dick out of your mouth because it's all you faggots ever talk about.

>>108863836
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same stupid guy
Grow up.

>>108864729
called it

>>108864737
You KKKDEfags aren’t too bright.

>>108862144
I meant show the folder size

>>108864745
you literally choose DEs based on how close they look to windows or macos.

>>108864754
Zero self-awareness…

>>108864757
literally the only people who ever thought of windows when they see kde are gnome babyducks

>>108864777
>777
Win7 babyduck detected. You guys always shill your krashware to newbies by talking about how familiar and Windows-like it is.

>>108864797
lmfao. what the fuck is wrong with you.

>>108864800
Concession accepted!

>>108860543
Based, justworks™ gang rise up.

>>108864777
It literally couldn't try harder to look like Windows, no ide why anybody would seny it.

>>108863883
>kde
>not indian

>>108856714
Microsoft makes more money off of Linux on Azure than it does from Windows.
Microsoft makes more money off of Android patents than it does from Windows.
Your brain is stuck in the 1990s. Microsoft doesn't give a shit if you use Windows. Your interest in Bill Gates' balls is very weird.

>>108864917
it's like saying why android looks like ios. the better question is why windows phone doesn't look like any of them.
niggers see a taskbar defaulted to the bottom and think windows. macostards have zero ui comprehension

>>108864806
yeah, your argument was impeccable. guess I'm a baby duck now.

>>108859247
>needs something in return to spend a small amount of money
Ask me how I know you're poor

>>108857054
It's thanks to muh gayming that Linux is somewhat relevant now

>>108864777
I once showed my desktop to a friend who was curious about GNU /Linux and she said it looked just like windows 11

>>108865038
you're saying you're as dumb as a normalfag?
I thought gnome babyducks implied macos users too. I mean that's what the devs use exclusively.

Plastik-> XP
Oxygen -> Vista/7
Breeze -> 10/11
Literally every design they’ve ever adopted has been a ripoff of Microshit

>>108865060
W10 was released in 2015.
Plasma 5 was released in 2014.

Oxygen has been in the works before Vista was out too.

They just followed the era’s fashionable styles.

>>108865028
Doesn't matter, it just proves they're all hypocrites.

>>108865070
Sure, sure
lol
My new startup, Starbug’s Toffee, is completely original too

>>108865070
>nobody ever knew what various versions of windows were going to look like before the day they were actually released

>>108864982
>niggers see a taskbar defaulted to the bottom and think windows
Explain why this is unreasonable.

>>108865108
because that's all someone like you see. the implication is someone would look at kde and find it better because it reminds them of something they know. what I think really happens is that macos faggots see a taskbar and get all up in arms about it because it feels to alien to them. in fact I would claim that gnome looks way too much like macos with how it handles app icons for running tasks.
kde is better because gtk is ran by pozzed redhat retards that ruin every ux of the de. the margins are too wide and every sprite looks stupid. qt and breeze just look way better in comparison. dolphin has tons of features and nice little tricks that reminded me of how I felt using finder way back when it wasn't a laggy pos. gnome is a poor replica of unity in compiz and it shows. and all of the above is lost to mactards who think in terms of macos and windows status bar layout.

>>108865152
Gibberish.

>>108865221
it sure flew over your head

>>108865226
Where are you from, sir?

>>108865245
I'm not chatting you up saar go back to r9k

>>108859348
I’m afraid valve will abandon all Linux support after Gabe retires.
>>108863883
Is this kde crash meme really all one terminally online guy and retards bleating it after seeing it?
Granted i am not sure if the crash meme is true or not.
I have looked at xfce and lxqt for stability.
To minimize the chance of a surprise crash during gaming or actually being productive on my pc.

>>108865108
Because Plasma’s defaults don’t matter that much, they’re just that way because of Windows’s familiarity.
For starters, some distros change them (Garuda for instance)
Second, the first thing you learn about Plasma is that it’s very customizable.
The developers really put a lot of effort in ensuring many workflows are possible with it. Mac-style global menus have issues right now, and the Plasma team is working on a Wayland protocol that’d give non-Qt programs a standard way to implement it (among others. It would also be used for accessibility features)

>>108860675
>>108860789
How did you lads get it working on wine?
Does it run better with that installer?
I just want a better alternative to Gimp and I don’t have the bravery to pirate photoshop. Or knowledge of what the best version of it was.
Then after that there are the plugins and addons etc.

>>108856714
>winblows: good usability but microslop jeetcode
>macos: some weird shortcuts n shit and peculiar UI but works well
>kde: winblows without microslop sales funnel up your ass
>gnome: fucking dogshit
keep it

>>108856714
Why is gnome genuinely hated?
I will admit I do kind of want to leave the windows format as being on Linux and using windows looking desktops kind of feels like still supporting Microsoft.

>>108865345
Padding, large icons, lack of native systray support and a de-emphasis of window minimization. That’s really it.

>>108865393
So does this mean the problem isn’t that gnome isn’t windows desktop looking?
It is that it is not being good at being an alternative desktop layout?

>>108865439
It’s different, so chuds hate it. It’s sort of their whole modus operandi.

>>108865279
>I’m afraid valve will abandon all Linux support after Gabe retires.
I fucking hope they do, a drm company shouldn't be anywhere near linux. I also hope (((nate graham))) will fuck off with them.
>Is this kde crash meme really all one terminally online guy and retards bleating it after seeing it?
I started posting >krashes in some threads because the beefschizo always shows up and dances for my attention.

>>108856795
>>108856990
the K in kde stands for kosher

>>108859348
>Valve created Proton (a compatibility layer)
BULLSHIT! The compatibility layer is WINE, proton is merely half-proprietary bloat on top of it, just so they could DRM and EEE linux harder.

>>108865393
>lack of native systray support
This is genuinely, unironically a good thing. The systray was always pointless bloat and it was great to finally ditch it.

>>108865281
>Because Plasma’s defaults don’t matter that much
By this logic, Windows 10 looks and feels like GNOME since you can configure it to use a thin top panel and fullscreen start menu.

>>108865152
Meanwhile, in the real world, normalfags see KDE and think of Windows. Learn to write.

>>108865070
Plasma is based on Windows Vista and not Windows 7 KTard.

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>>108860543
>The only thing that's kinda annoying is that you can't tile backgrounds.

>>108866069
It's the wallpaper option

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>>108864954
This. For some reason people think Microsoft is a company that makes their money from advertisements and selling user data that they collect on Windows but that is just complete nonsense that gets spread by privacy nuts. They are not Google or Facebook and have a totally different business model. Their Linux shilling will only benefit Microsoft since it will make their Azure platform better.

>>108865995
only macfags, dumbass. learn to read. and even then only the normalfags believe this.

>>108866069
this doesn't fix the issue

>>108866082
https://github.com/microsoft/azurelinux
>fedora fork
kek

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>>108866127
It does tile it correctly in the preview, but on the actual screen it's stretched and tiled.
This is a known issue:https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/work_items/1473

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>>108865345
The current design of the Gnome desktop was developed in a time when people thought that tablets and smartphones will completely replace traditional computers (2010-2014) and everyone wanted to jump on that hype train. But that future never came. This brought us Windows 8 and Gnome 3 and both were absolutely hated for their asinine design. Microsoft was forced to quickly fix it with Windows 8.1 and then 10 but Gnome only began to double down and make their desktop as unusable as possible while demanding the whole world should change to fit their design philosophy. You are basically running a bad tablet OS designed for touchscreens on a desktop with a mouse and keyboard. Using custom extensions is a requirement to make it useable.

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>>108865345
>>108866366
When 85% of your user's have to install third-party extentions to use your desktop then you know you have fucked up. But they are too prideful to admit it.

>>108866038
> Plasma is based on Windows Vista and not Windows 7 KTard.

I didn’t mention 7, you mouthbreathing moron.
I said Vista and Plasma 4 were developed around the same time and that similarities are just what were fashionable at the time.

>>108865972
Windows’s main selling point isn’t customizability. Microsoft expects most users to keep the default workflow.
Plasma’s is. KDE expects most users to adapt Plasma to their usage.

>>108866912
>”Oxygen” has NOTHING to do with “Aero”!
>

>>108868035
I said they have similarities, not that they have nothing to do with each other.

They were both being worked on when UI elements could be left to the GPU. The first thing that was made possible with it was "real" transparency (as opposed to just showing the wallpaper).

Once you have transparency, it’s either matte or glossy, and they both chose glossy.

>>108866366
>unusable
Then why is it the most usable DE? All of the common programs I open are on hotkeysest. The rest I just hit super and type two/three letters of and hit enter.
>>108866448
Imaging thinking extensions are the mark of something bad. I trust your browser has zero extensions installed.

>>108856714
why only 4 toes?

>>108860610
>proprietary

>>108868500
>I trust your browser has zero extensions installed.
not him but in fairness 99% of people here (least i hope) just use ublock and nothing else, theres no functionality extensions worth using
if we had to use an extension to get the ability to mute tabs or search history itd be different

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>>108868582
KDEfags don't even use computers...

>>108868500
>Imaging thinking extensions are the mark of something bad. I trust your browser has zero extensions installed.

The problem with GNOME extensions is that some absolutely basic features require third party extensions, but the GNOME devs treat them as an afterthought at best.
They are not mentioned in the desktop tour they provide for new users, and the vast majority have to be partially rewritten every major version (every six months). If you’re on a LTS distro, that’s not too bad, but for rolling distributions it’s annoying.

You compare them to browser extensions, but those are accessible and easy to use for every user, and the extensions API in Firefox and Chromium are much stabler than GNOME’s

>>108868554
The FOSS alternatives like GIMP aren't cutting it right now unfortunately, they lack crucial functionality I need such as CMYK document support.

>>108868500
>Then why is it the most usable DE?
I actually agree with that since I find the other desktops even worse. Just the default workflow is unuseable to me and I need extensions to make it work. Also some of the default Gnome apps are just bad and don't even work.
>Imaging thinking extensions are the mark of something bad.
The most popular extensions are stuff like "dash to dock", "dash to panel" and Arcmenu which basically negate the whole workflow that Gnome designed. Also a lot of extensions that add features that should have just been there in the first place. Browsers have all the features that 99% of people will need and more already integrated. So browser extensions are mostly just adblockers and niche stuff for specific usecases.

>>108868601
all useless.
every extension is a massive attack surface
using an extension that can be auto updated and push out malware at any time just to redirect links is just not a good idea
ive tried looking for extensions to see what the fuss is about, and ive never found a useful one, just ublock
kind of like vs code

>>108868619
>CMYK
you don't need that
RGB is enough

>>108868726
>RGB is enough

Not if you're doing print work.

>>108868543
usecase for five toes?

>>108868789
pretty sure it's automatically converted

>>108868619
I thought GIMP had CMYK nowadays? Krita does too.

>>108868500
>All of the common programs I open are on hotkeysest
If I have to learn ebassi's hotkeys instead of just moving my cursor over to the taskbar, the developers fucked up.

>>108868999
Not yet, sadly.

>>108869008
You sound like an incompetent boomer.

>>108865345
>and using windows looking desktops kind of feels like still supporting Microsoft.
Retard. Just imagine you're supporting Xerox.

>>108865345
>use better software than Microsoft's
>this is still supporting Microsoft

>>108869008
Super+1-9 too complicated for you, babyduck?

>>108865345
>Why is gnome genuinely hated?

GNOME has always been inflexible and developers always had a my way or the highway attitude (it’s been worse since GNOMEShell, but even in the GNOME 2 days, Linus Torvalds would call them interface nazis)

It would be fine if they stayed in their lane, but they have a history of trying to force their design decisions on others (client side decorations, any Wayland protocol they stall or nack).

>>108866099
>even then only the normalfags believe this.
Yes that was precisely the point, faggot, learn2read my ass.

>>108868618
>absolutely basic features
Such as?

>>108868647
>attack surface
Mouthbreathers keep repeating this term without realizing it's meaningless.

>>108872350
you have no logical faculties AND you can't read. it's macfags AND normalfags. obviously I know it's hard for you to imagine macfags that aren't normalfags, I can't either but that's abstract thinking for you.

>>108869008
Literally every single hotkey in GNOME is customizable.

>>108872369
You lost the argument long ago.

>>108872369
>macfags that aren't normalfags
nta but they literally don't exist

>>108872379
>>108872382
>nta
>1min1s apart
yeah okay lol. you necroed a dead thread yourself loser.

>>108872386
>only one person can browse the internet at the same time

>>108872413
you know what you did, neceobumper. stop acting coy there's no one else around for you to fool.

>>108857988
There’s a PR on voids GitHub for gnome 50. Though I don’t know if it’ll ever get done.

>>108872361
A system tray.
Tiled or single color wallpapers.

>>108872361
>>108872496
Minimize and maximize buttons too.

>>108872496
>>108872500
Literally nothing
lmao

Erm, bump?

>>108872653
And this "I don’t use it so noone should" attitude is why many people hate GNOME.

>>108874119
Just change a couple settings and you have both of those things. You literally have no point, no argument, nothing. GNOME works, KDE does not

>>108872496
>>108872500
>Tiled or single color wallpapers
>Minimize and maximize buttons
both have settings in gnome-tweaks, or at least they used to. system tray not being a thing is retarded though