>>108860309
Because it's not broken and not a meme as daily driver.
> You can buy used and refurbished for cheap
In fact you should not get a new one, that's not smart.
> 2010 MacBook
Sounds like a joke. I have 14-core xeon from 2016, it runs my macPro flavor of hackintosh, feels snappy like base model of M-series devices.

>macs are expensive
this isnt even true anymore lol you can get a m4 air for $799, look at the prices of 13/14” lunar lake or panther lake laptops or even amd ryzen ai laptops. the only comparable (not plastic, decent display, long battery life, quiet, thin etc) laptops that can actually be found cheaper than a mba are the snapdragon laptops.

>>108860309
>Why is macOS not as popular on /g/?
Primarily because the MacShills here have aligned themselves with their worst enemy (WinCucks), and have been spambombing + rage baiting the board for like ten years.

>>108860309
>Be me in year 2002
>Get to go to compusa
>Accidentally completely erase shit right off desktop
>Whoops
Apparently this is still an issue

>>108860553
Why would you get a mobile device if you will not use it as a mobile device most of the time? Use case for laptops?

shartybot ragebait thread

I've been considering it actually, I want to leave Windows but I still want to keep my pro apps which is difficult with Linux. The Mac Studio is looking really good.

>>108860631
>Use case for laptops?
Not having to always be in front of the my battle station and running CNCs.

The shills and also we're power users who don't want to drop 600+$ on a computer with an operating system we might not even like.

>>108860309
Popularity, simple as that. /g/ just flat out hates anything that is mainstream or popular.

>>108860309
>>same command line tools as Linux
Is this bait?

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>>108860309
I use it and have all apple server connections blocked.

>>108860309
>same command line tools as Linux
Weird architecture, outdated versions, shitty tacked on package management, third-class support for many tools.
Never use #!/bin/env bash. These fucking maccers don't deserve it.
>can natively run proprietary software like Microsoft Office and Adobe stuff that is miles ahead of the open source stuff that runs on Linux
Who the fuck uses Microsoft Office in 2026?
Learn Typst or get left behind you big dumb ugly gorilla maccer.
After Effects and Premiere suck, Photoshop and Resolve run fine on Linux.
I have a Perl oneliner that activates it to the studio version.
>Aqua is more stable and coherent than any Linux DE
Yes, Mac GUI is awesome, both in terms of design and tech.
Cocoa and quartz are big brain shit.
Sadly apple has enshittified some elements.
For example snow leopards Expose and Spaces were better than the later mission control, which is just like the task view in windows and sucks ass in terms of ergonomics.
But I think for laptops Niri has more potential in terms of efficiency.
>has iLife and Final Cut Pro
What?
>A 2010 MacBook is still very much usable today
Are you retarded?

>>108860309
>Muh video games
It's just gamer brain. They fell for the old marketing tactics that windows ran in the 2000s. At this point I'm switching to mac because it's way less bloated than Windows and more optimized than Linux

>>108860309
You are talking about software but asking about hardware. Make it possible to install macos where I want and I will use it. I won't be paying premium price for crap Apple hardware, ever.

>>108860309
Why would anyone want to run Microsoft Office and Adobe applications? Oh, they're a faggot, got it.

>>108862691
Real computer nerds all have more than one computer. I have a linux desktop and a mac laptop. I have a Windows VM on the mac. The linux desktop (Arch btw) is the real computer that does the most stuff.

>>108860309
OP I have a mac mini m4 I use as a secondary computer and honestly I barely have an use for it.
Applications like Affinity run much faster, but I run into bugs all the same.
Installing macOS in an external drive is ass, disables certain features and gets annoying when updating.
Speaking of updates, those are just to add emojis and fucking ads, are you kidding me?
My keychron keyboard apparently doesn't like macOS as it's constantly nagging me about how the layout isn't detected properly. Not happening on windows/linux.
My bluetooth/2.4ghz mouse is much slower on bluetooth than on windows. The latency is insane. I have an old magic trackpad, same thing. It feels really sluggish when moving the cursor around.
And last but not least, macOS is shit at managing external displays (gee, what else could you connect to a fucking mac mini). 1440p is awful. You need a third party tool to increase the scaling factor, every application thinks you have a higher resolution monitor and it ruins shit like virtual machines. Multimonitor handling is a mess (can't disable monitors easily, so that actually required a paid feature in a third party app, the bootloader and login screens cannot be displayed on both screens) and you'll never get the max refresh rate supported by your monitor working properly.
To think I've had less trouble with wayland is absolutely nuts.

>>108860309
>All the same tools as linux
>But worse
>But.. But.. It can run adobe slop
Don't care.

The only thing macOS has that for some reason people despise but I appreciate is Finder. It has proper, working file tagging support, folder actions, all sorts of different custom views per folder (you can actually change the padding on icon view), you can very easily add random shit to the context menu (which makes shit like "why can't I create new file" trivial if you know what you're doing), you have a column view, the search function works pretty well, I'll never reach to understand why people hate it. It does have different keyboard shortcuts, that's it.

>>108860309
it was great for work.
stable and a crash free, so you don't lose hours.
Then the push for AI came and yearly updates.

The AI push means every single file and keypress is recorded and is send to apple/governments. You can deny this, but trackrecords have resulted into never trusting big corporations. The 'best' outcome would be a class-action suit a decade later, where it is found out that since 2020 (pick any date) they indeed harvested all date, cue "sorry, we're so sorry"-moment where they are fined by the government for several million and that's that.

yearly updates means locking out older hardware and having no OS truly mature and be rockstable. lets not even start on the bad UI changes.

all in, you'd be fucking stupid to run macos if you don't have to. and that's fine for them, apple's core audience are stupid people.

my m1 hardware is collecting dust, can't be bothered with macos and it's too locked down for linux to be useful. i would switch to linux on apple silicon in a hardbeat though, their hardware is great.

>>108864194
> would switch to linux on apple silicon in a hardbeat though
asahilinux.org

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>>108860309
>Why is macOS not as popular on /g/?
mac isn't /g/ pilled. most people here value freedom, upgradeability and repairability. Your points are valid, especially the command line tools and proprietary software.

I think Macbooks are cool devices, very powerful, compact and they have good battery life. But the DE argument is subjective, in fact many power users hating on it, because you "need" to buy extra apps to make it "good" gayming is getting there, but still behind Linux and most of the popular anti cheat games don't work. (Valorant, CoD, Fortnite etc.)

Would I switch from Windows to Mac? Definitely. But if you are really into Linux, you simply can't go back, sure MacOS is better than Windows privacy wise, but even that sucks nowdays, 1 year after Steve Jobs died, Apple joined PRISM. And now that their devices have local AI models installed, the privacy took a massive hit, because something is always running in the background and is tracking your activities, it just takes a small couple KB text file and they know what you are doing.

I recommend you to watch watch / read the DEFCON 33 Edition: "Unmasking the Privacy Risks of Apple Intelligence.pdf"

/g/ is Gnu/Linux & Graphene pilled.

>>108864218
asahi isn't ready.
they're making babysteps though, it'll take at least another year for getting multiple usb-c displays to work flawlessly.

i'm sort of surprised how slow things are going...it's been 4 years.

>>108860309
Windows has all those things too. The problem with mac is the same as windows: you're at the mercy of their "updates". Also Linux is much more customisable, and I'm what they call a power user.

>>108860577
>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
grow up

>>108860309
Macs are relatively cheap now. Great hardware, terrible OS. It's a damn shame.

>>108864387
Honestly would there be any motivation when it's locked down to M1/M2 devices?

>>108860309
because even with the horrible new macOS 26 design it's still the best OS for working.

>>108860309
>cant do gaming
>cant self repair
>expensive (over 200$)
>no concievable advantages
What do they call this mental illness?

>>108860309
I personally hate the UI.
Finder is trash, the application bar is a visual eyesore, the way it organizes windows is bad and there's the autism semaphore.
Even xfce is better than that.

>>108865924
I mostly agree with you except for Finder.
I haven't seen a single poster actually go in depth about why it sucks. What, is it too bloated or something?

>>108866018
Mostly having to press a key combination to type the address you want to go, and the way it splits, and the right click menu being all sorts of wrong.
For an unix system, not having "open terminal here" is quite a massive sin.

>>108866028
You can just add practically anything to the right click menu you can think of, not just opening in terminal. Hell you can change shortcuts. You can add folder actions as well.
If we're making a comparison there's a lot of shit there I cannot just add to thunar, let alone find them by default. How the fuck do I even tag files there?

>>108860309
I like it. The only thing I truly dislike about it is that the monitor handling fucking sucks unless your monitor is 220 pi and the demand for such monitors is extremely small, and that it's becoming shittier.

>>108864458
>oblivious to spamshit being posted around the clock
I would say lurk more, but you're lucky that you don't.

>>108864400
Windows doesn't have a Unix-like terminal by default

>>108870039
Well duh. You can easily get one is my point. Furnish me with a little steelman for once, you anemic sophomoric rat.

>>108864107
>it's constantly nagging me about how the layout isn't detected properly
This is my favorite mac os feature. On every boot it bitches about how it can't figure out my keyboard layout and wants me to do some humiliation ritual. I ignore it and guess what? My keyboard works perfectly fine.

>>108860309
>can natively run proprietary software like Microsoft Office and Adobe stuff that is miles ahead of the open source stuff that runs on Linux

bait

i think i'm happy knowing i use a platform that can't natively run adobeslop or microslop office

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I use a hackintosh. It does what I need. I'm not obsessed with an operating system so I don't go around talking about it constantly.

I ditched windows because I was sick of dealing with a dozen workarounds to remove Edge and Candy Crush and shit only for Microsoft to find a new way to force-install them every few weeks. On macos there are some dumb settings that are only fixable with pasting shit into terminal (like godawful mouse acceleration), but once that's done they are turned off forever and you forget it was even an issue

If I mention using macos in a thread then retards who have never used it start attacking me and telling me to use linux. Then I'll mention a few pieces of software I own and use it for and they'll call me a retard and tell me to waste time learning completely different free software. Usually followed with "why do you even need that, I don't know anything about you or your work but you're wrong and stupid".

It does what I need and I have no complaints so I don't really give a shit if anyone else uses it or approves of my choice

>>108860309
cuck license

>>108860309
mac is the redpill /g/ isn't ready for

>>108870509
>applel SSD dies and bricks your macbook
>dell/asus mosfet sends 12V to your CPU
>Hinge Problem's "metal glued to plastic" design fails and your screen falls off
>razer bios chip decides it isn't programmed anymore
apple's hardware is dogshit but don't pretend they're the only ones releasing bad hardware

>>108860309
>I prefer the Intel models since they can dual boot Windows in case I need to play a game there isn't a macOS version for

They've always been shit for gaming, nothing has changed in that respect.
I remember "gaming" on my powerbook back in the 00s. Wild times. Everyone in the team was shitting on me for always lagging the crap out of the game

>>108860309
>you can even try Hackintoshing.
Thanks to M1+/ARM switch, that's a dead thing walking. I don't think the latest OS X (or whatever they're calling it now) is even available on Hackintosh's since they dropped Intel support like 2-3 versions ago?

>>108871138
Can't they hackintosh an ARM pc?

>>108860309
>same command line tools as Linux
Being hit by a bus is the same as being trampled by an elephant. I don't want either.
>can natively run proprietary software like Microsoft Office and Adobe stuff that is miles ahead of the open source stuff that runs on Linux
Yes, this is a genuine win.
>Aqua is more stable and coherent than any Linux DE
To be fair, so was Program Manager in Windows 3.0. It's not a high bar to clear.
>has iLife and Final Cut Pro
Which is a reasonable W, but it's not like it's one visible from space or anything.

>>108860309
Most of that is just apologism, that you can run some of the same stuff as other OSs. Beyond "a 16 year old laptop is cheap" I still don't see the reason to buy one over something else. I used a 2015 mac for years and despised it, I'm not going to waste money on another one.

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>>108870509
>half the list is bitching about ssd failures
B-but ni/g/gers have been telling me for 15 years that SSDs never, ever, ever, EVER fail though. If they do, it's because you're poor/you looked at it work/you installed the wrong firmware/Mercury was rising through Pisces/it's the beginning of a universe-destroying vacuum metastability even - and not the fact that it's a bunch of USB keys in RAID0, oh dear me no.

>>108871146
Asahi is sort of doing that in a way (putting Linux on the M1) so technically and theoretically, it's possible. But there isn't many ARM PC's out there (AFAIK) right now to where doing the reverse (Mac on an ARM "PC") isn't worthwhile to do.

But unless there is Intel system calls still in the OS (which I don't think there is... given they dropped support and started to rip it out): No, not currently.

>>108871176
Even if they didn't "fail" they'd eventually erase your shit if they are left unpowered for months.

SSD's aren't long-term storage or even a good storage medium. The only use they have is fast reads and that's it. Until the tech is resolved to where they're on par with mechanical drives for long term storage (which are garbage compared to tape, but let's ignore that), they're complete dogshit for anything that isn't "speed boost."

>>108860631
>Use case for laptops?
Leaving your house once in a while?

>>108860309
>Sucks at gaming (crossover < proton)
>FOSS software runs like shit on MacOS for some reason. Inkscape is one that stands out, but I know there's others that run shit too.
>Can't use GDB on macos because it doesn't compile for Apple Silicon (last I checked anyway) so I have to use LLDB which works but I prefer GDB.
>Cant manage my files on my android phone like i can on linux either so thats annoying.

Probably going to switch back to fedora when I get my next computer.
>t.macfag that hates being a macfag

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>>108860309
What will it run that my Desktop won't?

>>108871203
Can't you technically put proton on it? I haven't looked, but it's just a translation layer. You'd have to translate the calls to from Vulkan/Direct X to whatever they call their graphics API now.

In any case, it's known that Macs aren't for gaming, so I'm not sure what anyone would expect there.

Macs are only good for Office and Design work. They're utter shit for anything that is outside those wheelhouses.

>But programming!
Can be done on literally anything, even your fucking phone if you're determined enough*. (*Smartphone only. Terms and Conditions apply, of course).

But at that point, you're spending $600+ for what is/was a fucking "Netbook" back in the day, and spending more for a soldiered on SSD that is still less than a laptop with Windows or Linux in capacity's.

In any case, for me: OS X died when Jobs did. The whole Apple ecosystem shift post-Jobs has been bad, and it's going to get even worse when Cook leaves.

I say this as someone that has a G4 2005 original Mac Mini kicking around here (that I should upgrade the RAM for, but given prices right now... *sigh*), I used to love Apple, gaming aside. But there is seriously no reason to buy their expensive hardware outside of OS X, and given how much Apple is going out their way to lock it down even worse than iPhone (because they're trying to turn it INTO an iPhone)...

Lacks CAD software for engineerfaggotry
I don't give a shit about games and Windows grates on my nerves, so if I could do my job on macOS, I would get a Mac. But it's not an option for me.

and you still cant play a fucking video game on it. bravo tim apple.

Eventually you realize it's the worst of both worlds. As *nix it's half-baked because it's not really meant to be used that way, and its commercial software ecosystem is pathetically inferior to Windows'.

The laptops are alright but only the MBPs, the cheaper ones feel horrible to type on.

>>108871336
>and its commercial software ecosystem is pathetically inferior to Windows'.
There is a shit ton of Apple-only software. (But they're all fucking iToddler shit) You can ask for software recommendations and Apple ecosystem folks will recommend iToddler only shit and then you have to groan and go "no, for an actual PC."

>>108871359
The macOS-only software ecosystem is proof that Macfags will pay money for literally anything. Literally anything actually useful has a Windows port, and in rare cases a Linux port. The sole exception is software made by Apple themselves.

>>108871226
I'd even argue that the programming experience on macOS is better than it is on any other OS. Last time I tried compiling C or C++ on a Windows machine I had to either install Visual Studio (which you still have to pay for if you're commertial, btw) or MinGW (garbage fucking experience) for the toolchain.

Linux is alright but I don't like dealing with dependency nightmares and the only foolproof way to isolate different environments is to use virtual machines or containers which still feel clunky to me.

Macs make it easy to get an entire development environment installed with everything you need. Comes with the basics like Python from the factory and if you're missing anything brew is a good solution. Supports all the apps, doesn't sound like a jet engine like my current Dell Precision, and gives you all the benefits of a *nix system without the shitty parts. Would still be using one if Liquid Ass didn't turn mine's soldered 8GB of ram into e-waste.

>>108866028
>I didn't look up how to configure it with addons

>>108866028
>I didn't look up how to configure it with addons

>>108866028
shift + right click
>why?
because not everyone is a poweruser.

>>108860309
>but Macs are expensive
This isn't a real argument that people opposing Apple use. This is the marketing tactic that Apple came up with to make their products sound more premium. Other computers cost the same amount of money so people have no problem spending that much. The argument is what you get for that much money. If you buy a house for $5000 it's an insanely good deal, but if you buy a toothpick for $5000 you're a sucker who got scammed. Apple only creates disposable toys that have zero quality control so they shouldn't be priced the same as a real computer. Their main focus has always been the look of the device since that's an easy way to scam the customers. That would be fine if you're just using it for interior design promo pictures because then everyone understands what they're paying for. If you're buying a tool then you're getting a terrible deal.