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Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

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>>109013046
>High-end: 9070xt

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>>109013046
>AVOID VA
Miniled VA is literally the only reasonable option

Didn't that jewish youtuber burn his nvidia 5090?

Think the 5080 super will be a decent price? Or will the turbojewing of prices continue until then?

>>109013092
Expect the supers to be even more expensive

>109013080
>109013087
>someone else baked for once and made small changes to the samefag /tv/ spammers OP
>hes already sperging
Do you not have a job or any kind of life? Why are you monitoring this random general 24/7?

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7800x3d is still relavent nowadays?
tray ofc.

>>109013107
why do va panels make your clitty leak?

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>>109013123
Why are you trying to shill the second worst panel tech after TN to un suspecting innocents on a Taiwanese sand enthusiast forum?

>>109013142
oled is trash technology that just is disposable.

If you have the money to replace it minimum every 2 years then whatever.

For normal people, oled is a DISASTER.

>>109013142
Why are you trying to shill dark trash that burns in to the unsuspecting?

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>109013149
Nvidiots in nvidia pc building general
>WTF YOU BOUGHT 600 DOLLAR 9070 XT INSTEAD OF 1K 5070 TI FOR 5% MORE PERFORMANCE?!! AMDUMB POOOR!!!!!
Also nvidiots in nvidia pc building general
>THINK OF THE POORS HAVING TO BUY OLED MONITORS EVERY 3 YEARS WHICH ARE NOW SUB 400 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5YqMqrqGQtA&pp=iggCQAE%3D IS JUST TOO MUCH OF AN EXPENSE FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON
Joke general just another reason no one should come here for advice

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>>109013178
Oh so $400 (lol) every 3 years for a monitor is acceptable for like $400 more for a gpu that'll last upwards to a decade isn't?

>>109013117
You're unlikely to notice the difference vs a 9800x3d in video gaymes

IPS is the goal to which all miniLEDs press

>>109013191
>$400 more for a gpu that'll last upwards to a decade isn't?
5070 ti won't be able to run any new pathtracing games like 2 years from now above 30 fps what are you talking about. Blackedwell was a stopgap gen on the same node as Ada. Rubin and UDNA 1 will make PT actually viable for everyone.

>>109013203
>5070 ti won't be able to run any new pathtracing games like 2 years from now above 30 fps
100% your opinion with no basis in reality
>guys next gen Radeon is finally going to be good just wait for it!
Lol classic cope cycle

>>109013203
What does that make rdna4 when it can't even unseat a stopgap generation?

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>>109013211
>100% your opinion with no basis in reality
It already runs PT games from years ago at sub 50 fps what makes you think it will be doing the same or better 2 years from now on the first next gen PS6 games?
>>109013213
It was a stopgap gen for amd too they didn't release a flagship for a reason

>>109013225
Native literally doesn't matter anymore, it's totally irrelevant

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>>no basis in reality
Here is reality
Nice 31 fps on a game already out. Im sure 5070 ti will do just fine on Witcher 4 max settings a few years from now. Definetly won't even make it break a sweat. Even 5090 is gonna be obsolete for 4K max on the next gen games. Because again blackedwell is the same node as ada love lace from years ago it's a glorified refresh. Rubin and UDNA will be the first real pathtracing gpus

>>109013252
>31 fps
Before you enable dlss, framegen, and reflex.

>>109013246
Even if you use upscaling you can at best turn this >>109013252 into a 60 to 70 fps experience. That's not the high refresh rate someone would want that paid 1k for 5070 ti. Pathtracing even on current games at high resolution is barely viable for this card. Next gen games 2 years from now pushing path tracing further then ever it will become impossible.

>>109013259
>framegen, and reflex.
Oh so you're just retarded. Framegen from 60 to 240fps will look a lot smoother and is better than just playing at 60 but it will never have the real latency and responsiveness of even a real 120hz+ framerate it's impossible.

>>109013196
i only play crusader kings and csgo sar

>>109013267
>real latency and responsiveness of even a real 120hz+ framerate it's impossible
Okay and? The experiance is still good.
>2 years from now pushing path tracing further
Or it'll become more optimized and scalable, like regular rt when they actually started targeting consoles.
>>109013281
very good sar, you're the prime demographic for an amd gpu

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>109013295
>experiance
>nvidijeet calling other posters sar when he can't even spell basic words
do not redeem the (You) bloody benchod

repostan
>>109012339
Guess your next best bet would be a Define 7 XL with this amount of spinning rust.
Man I wish I upped mine before the prices went AWOL, now I'm out of storage and out of luck.

>>109013305
You lost tranny, just admet you cant aford the Nvidia gpu

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>>109013054
>tomshardware
>We have 14 rasterization games we're using for the latest test suite:
>Controlling one nigga
>Controlling one nigga
>Controlling one nigga
>Controlling one plane
>Controlling one nigga
>Controlling one nigga
DID I SAY THAT I LOVE BENCHMARKING USING THE SAME GAME IN WHICH YOU CONTROL A SINGLE NIGGA?

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I started noticing a prominent ticking noise from my PC and I'm pretty sure it's coming from the PSU.
Is this coil whine? It sounds different from what you'd hear on a GPU running a graphics heavy game and it's basically a constant noise even when just sitting idle.
Is it a sign of a bad PSU? I don't want my shit to get fried.
I almost always have my headphones on when on the PC, so I don't hear it, but when taking them off it's crazy noticeable.
>PSU in question: MSI MAG A850GL

>>109013349
>ticking
Are you sure it's not just the fan?

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>>109013349
If you have nshartia card with 12vhpr it's probably just slow destroying your psu and gonna eventually cause a fire. Nothing you can do it's what you signed up for buying jeetforce

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>>109013349
take the side off and get a better positive on it. move your head around until you know where it is coming from. don't guess.

Is GIGABYTE B760 GAMING X DDR4 worth extra ~30€ over the Asus Prime B760-Plus D4? Is there any difference?

is it worth it to go from 6950xt to 9070xt? did anyone try newegg trade in thingy since selling shit in my country is a hassle

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>>109013409
Waited too long already. At this point just use optiscaler for fsr4 until rdna 5 comes out then upgrade

>>109013421
The asus one runs the gpu at pcie5. The gigabyte one runs it at pcie4.
On the other hand the gigabyte one has qflash plus so you can flash the latest microcode before the cpu fries itself.

>>109013430
meant for >>109013407

>>109013046
>>109013087
I've read that samsung's "fast va" panels on their higher end do a good job mitigating va smearing. I expect my monitor to last a few more years but when it's time to replace it, I think those are what I'll be looking at first

>>109013430
I see. I'm mostly trying to see if the Gigabyte could be justified in any way because I'd be able to get it about a week earlier. So far it doesn't really sound worth it. I'm going to put an i5-13600kf on it

>>109013355
No actually. I've checked every fan except the PSU one. I'll check that in a moment.
>>109013358
Luckily not, that's crazy. I have a 9070xt.
>>109013385
I did. Here's a recording of what it sounds like. https://vocaroo.com/1jfrTW7dmf5n

>>109013443
yeah that's the bearings in the fan gone. the good news is that it's not going to harm the rest of your system. the bad news is that one day it'll just die and your psu could overheat.

>>109013457
Man it's like 6 months old. That's dumb as hell. Guess I'll see if I can get a replacement.

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Well lads, what do I do
this ram I boughted right before the big boom had a delivery window of january - june 12th, and now my order displays this, do I contact support and ask them whats up, will they lmk its not happening and cancel it or will they find the sticks and ship them or a secret third thing
any amazon experts in here?

>9070 GRE - $550
>9070 XT - $630
Both priced at microcenter and my buddy said the employees are giving out game codes if you're buying the 9070 XT or RTX 5070. Assuming the XT is worth the price gap over the GRE? Gaming at 1440p

>>109013609
id get 5070 instead

>>109013614
they're around the same price. Why would I get the 5070? It's less VRAM and benchmarks have it losing in raw performance to the 9070 XT. Is the Nvidia software suite and features that worth it?

>>109013621
you get dlss transformer model, 6x mfg, driver support. Dlss is in most games, fsr support is lacking.
cuda for productivity apps, ai
all the nice future nvidia features that arent announced yet
better frame per watt vs 9070xt

Remember when YouTube had no ads before adblocker

>>109013630
ok with that said, would you say the 5070 Ti is worth $140 more over the 5070? The 5080 is nearly double the price so I'm not looking at that.

>>109013651
140?
cheapest 5070 tis are like 950€ here and 5070 is 570€
youd obviously buy 5070 ti when they're close in price

>>109013659
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jd3RK7

yeah they have the MSI shadow OC for $879.99. Things with manually adjusted price are all bundles and/or deals from Microcenter. The CPU/Mobo/RAM/SSD are all a $1000 bundle for instance. Any problems here?

>>109013678
the pc looks good
peripherals are a bit questionable for me but they work i guess
id buy wireless stuff

>>109013685
>peripherals are a bit questionable for me but they work i guess
>id buy wireless stuff
I have some of my peripheals now that are wireless and I'm just sick of having to reach for my charger mid gaming session because the batteries are holding less and less charge over time. OK ,well I'm going to make the 30 min 1 way pilgrimage to Microcenter today. Probably going to buy a couple Microcenter branded USB drives while I'm there.

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>>109013630
Only on nvidia pc building general will you find actual subhuman jeet niggers shilling people to buy a worse card with an obsolete memory bus for muh "njeetia software suite sarr!!!"

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>>109013621
>>109013651
Don't do it your getting trolled big time. Get 9070 XT. More real performance and you can mod fsr4 into basically all games even vulkan now btw with optiscaler.

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Not buying a GPU until 2030 at this rate.

does optiscaler-injected fsr perform worse than native fsr?

>>109013817
Which version of FSR are you talking about?
And have you tried only one title?

>Put together spare AM4 parts into Minecraft server
>Wraith Stealth cooler drops the spaghetti if a player flies at full speed into un-generated chunks
Is Peerless Assassin still the answer to this question? Is there some lesser known option that offers better bang for the buck?

>>109013777
OpenAI, SpaceX and Anthropic are prepping for an IPO. The stock market is rolling down from it's historical peak.

The rugpull and subsequent market crash is imminent, everything'll turn 180 degrees this year and the whole "memory crisis into 2030" prediction will fall flat.

>>109013817
it depends on the game and what inputs you use.

>>109013708
amd 256bit bus = nvidia 192bit bus fr

>>109013992
amd 384bit gddr6 = nvidia 256bit gddr7

>>109013046
>High-end: 9070xt

Very funny. But you should avoid actively trolling people.
Nobody should be buying the 90XX series. It serves no purpose.

>>109014004
amd 384bit gddr6 = nvidia 256bit gddr6*

>>109013601
If you contact the seller, there's a chance they might make good on it.
If you contact Amazon, they'll just shrug and refund you.

>>109014009
amd 384bit gddr6 < nvidia 256bit gddr7*

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>>109014008
You are the ones actively trolling shilling njeetia house fire cards

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>>109014065
Behold the average novideo owner
A dysgenic mutt. Makes sense only low iq people fall for JeetForce fake frames marketing

>>109014065
?
When did I say anything about buying Nvidia.
You should buy a 7700XT or something.

Buying 90XX is just retard. It's a complete dead GPU which is currently overpriced as fuck.
Upscaling and Pathtracing is going to be what games use going fowards. Everyone knows this. Continuing to hold on to pure raster and paying a premium for it is just stupid.

You should stick with what you've got, or if you absolutely have to upgrade, get a 7700XT, maybe a 9060XT or something equivalent by Nvidia.
Wait for RDNA 5, which will almost certainly have support for PT and Upscaling, because the next gen consoles are going to use it and AMD is therefore going to have to make a GPU that supports it. And when AMD does this, the 90XX series is not going to be able to run it, because it doesn't have the hardware and you're going to be left as a bag holder getting mad them for "Betraying" you.

Alright, bros. Need some advice
It seems like the only cards new or used I can find around or below MSRP at 12gb cards, like the 5070 (new) and 4070 ti (eBay used). This is around the $500-600 range. Anything with 16 GB of VRAM is another ~$300 more
I'm currently running a 3060 ti on 1440p and it's starting to really noticeably struggle. I'm thinking of just buying a new 5070 with the idea of upgrading to the 60 series or whatever later
Is this retarded or is 12gb fine for 1440p for a couple years?

>>109014327
For its price the 5070 is a more than decent deal right now despite being 12gb as every other njewdea card have exploded like 150-250€ increase in price
It will do you fine at 1440p for longer than a couple years.
If you want a beefier card you can pick a 9070xt for about 50€ more (in my country) which is comparable on computing power to the 5070TI but its aylmaod which for some people is a deal breaker.
TLDR the 5070 is perfectly fine (even good) for its price (right now)

T 3060ti haver that is also mulling options about upgrades but its poor so keeps just riding the card until it catches on fire

>>109014327
low vram typically goes -> everything fine until a new game you play stutters or has random low fps or something and you have to start troubleshooting it
it almost always can be fixed via turning some setting down, some games have modded textures that alter vram usage, sometimes a specific feature pushes over the limit like frame gen and you just have to turn that off

so 12gb will be fine for a decade as long as you tune the settings to match it in new titles, not all graphics features will work on your specific gpu in the future if they add to vram cost

>>109014327
VRAM wise, 12GB for 1440p should be fine fine. I run a 3090 with a 1440p screen and I pretty much never hit 12GB while gaming, though at the same time I don't play the newest and greatest. 12GB is fine for image slopping as well, for me SDXL doesn't eat up those 12GB unless I load in some extra models.

The main reason to move on from 30 series to 50 series are the better architecture with better instruction sets allowing for better DLSS techniques as well as yielding a lower power draw. But at this rate I feel like the market crash is imminent, will happen this year, and whenever the 60 series rolls out it'll be the hot new thing that will have to be reasonably priced with the 6070 likely being a great sweet spot.

>>109014363
>However, in our understanding, the GeForce RTX 50 Super series graphics cards with 3GB GDDR7 memory chips will be released as early as the beginning of 2027, which is CES 2027.

the 60xx cards arent in gamers hands for 2 more years

>>109014373
Eh, no need to be hasty. Q1 2028 is most likely then, but like I said, no point in rushing, and especially no point in chasing all the newest games. Best to take it easy for now.

>>109013080
feel free to pay $6000 for a 5090 or double the cost of a 9070XT for a 5080

>>109014373
meanwhile RDNA5 is meant to be ready by Q3 2027

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I understand this question is probably too stupid but im paranoid
I have this shitty ass bronze psu, currently feeding a GPU with 2 6+2 pcie cables (with 2 prongs unattached) so 14 pins on use and a 2 pin prong dangling.
If im to pick a 5070 (or a 5070 TI) it should come with an adapter to plug these same 2x 6+2 pcie cables onto a 16 pin 12VHPWR ready to burn my house right?
I get that this question is probably obvious for anybody that knows his shit... i just dont
Thank you.

>>109014432
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NKhmP6/aerocool-lux-rgb-m-750-w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-lux-rgb-750m
Thats the pcpp link in case that helps any.

>>109014432
1 x 12V-2x6 -> 3x PCIe 8pin is included for 5070 ti

>>109014336
>>109014347
>>109014363
Ty kings
>>109014379
I'd normally agree, but I'm having to switch to my 1080p monitor just to get decent frame rates for some games.
Call it AI copium or whatever, but I feel like the 60 series is going to be a big leap

>>109014432
Adapter is included but please upgrade to a native ATX V3.x PSU. It's not that much money if you're already buying a GPU and the adapters have been involved in so many connector failures.

>>109014449
>>109014478
Thank you
>but please upgrade to a native ATX V3.x PSU
Its on the list, i might forego the GPU for a while longer and update the PSU and the Case
Its just hard to spend money on something else than frames but its probably the more sensible option.

I appreciate you anons.

>>109014503
psu and case are typically the last thing you update

case requires dismantling everything from old pc and placing it in new case
psu requires removing all cables, and putting in all new cables

>>109014415
Q3 2027 for AMD, Q1 2028 for Nvidia. Sounds like a standard release line-up, AMD in December, Nvidia in January. Still like 1.5 years away.

>>109014533
the trend is nvidia releases gpu - > amd cant release gpu until they know nvidia gpu price because they need to price it lower

90xx gpus had the whole thing where they sold it too early for too much to aibs, and nvidia cards were too low msrp so amd had to lower their card msrp and compensate the partners

Budget is $1000 or below and in America, but I'd rather not spend too much, since I figure what I want is somewhere in the $600-$800 range.
The simplest way to say what I want is basically something to replace my original Steam Deck, thus I'd like a computer that's easy to transport. What would be the best one for solely watching anime and playing games at medium or so settings? I was thinking of getting a laptop, but if I'm going to be connecting it to a TV every time I use it, would a mini PC be better with more bang for my buck, or am I overestimating how good mini PCs are?
Sorry if this is an obvious thing, I've never really looked into laptops or mini PCs, so I don't really know what to look for or where to look.

>>109014553
AMD needs to stop pricing things relative to Nvidia because nobody buys them, the 9070XT MSRP was priced appropriately for what it was and it has been their best selling GPU in decades.

>>109014662
mini pcs are not real pcs, they are laptops
if you want a real pc the budget specs are: 5800x3d + 16gb ddr4 3200mhz + 3060 12gb, how much is that?
of course there's case, cpu cooler, motherboard, whatever else needed but that's the skeleton
the 5800x3d is not out yet, you could use a cheaper option like 5600 or intel 14600k, I wouldn't tho

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>>109014664
>9070XT MSRP was priced appropriately for what it was and it has been their best selling GPU in decades.
not really?

9070 sits at 0.18% on steam hardware survey and xt isnt listed at all

>>109014690
steam survey is abandonware no one cares at this point, one day valve will work on it again and separate desktop from laptop and fix all the "generic amd gpu" "generic intel cpu" but that's not happening soon

>>109014705
Im not really aware of any public sources of gamer gpu sales

>new 5800x3d costs $350, the same as a 9800x3d
wtf?

>>109014714
some german dude posts the sales of one of their hardware sales chains and people treat it as gospel
>>109014715
9800x3d is $440 msrp, 5800x3d will have a lower street price provided amd made enough of them

>>109014715
what else are you gonna buy?
am5 with 400€ on 32gb ddr5? lmao

>>109014726
>9800x3d is $440 msrp
I frequently see new ones being sold for $350 on /r/hardwareswap
>>109014729
It still wouldn't make sense to spend all that money on an am4. Just save a bit more and upgrade to am5

>>109014738
am5 is hardly an upgrade, it's just more expensive, am5 will only start getting good now with zen 6

>>109014740
its absolutely an upgrade, but DDR5 isn't worth it right now because you're paying as much for your ram as you are for the cpu and motherboard

>>109013149
>>109013159
IPS does not burn in.

>>109014824
I have an oled and va panels and I keep taskbar up 24/7 on the va and it does burn in

>>109014824
technically it does, if you let it showing the same image for years, but the burn in is probably not even permanent even with that exposure

>>109014740
wdym? the jump from zen3 to zen4 let alone zen3 to zen5 is absolutely massive

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>>109013149
>>109013159
>oled is my sekrit club, i must gatekeep it
No burn-in after 4 years of mixed use here.

>>109014836
practically speaking, if you game at 4k or UW1440p, the 5800x3d and the 9800x3d provide the same experience

>>109014861
and if you enable dlss then you do get benefit from a better cpu
always buy the best cpu you can afford

>>109013918
you're already talking about the bargain bin there's not getting any lower unless you order some unnamed aliexpress shit

>>109014503
GPU is probably the first thing you should lock in right now because of price uncertainty, PSUs and cases aren't affected by memory supply shenanigans. If you can't upgrade your PSU at the same time, just add a power limit to avoid issues with your old one.

>>109014019
the seller *is* amazon

just realized tpu never reviewed the 5700x3d, what's up with that? one of the best cpus ever made

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How do I make AMD not reset my fan curves after every power failure?

>>109015488
just save the profile and import the settings every time you get a power failure

>>109015472
Yes and?

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Is there something like MSI Afterburner that respects zero rpm mode?

I just realised OP post recs the RX 9070 XT as "high-end". What the fuck, I thought AMD bowed out early this generation. The 9070 is just their mid-tier. That's like saying a 4070 was high-end.

Anyway, wake me up when I can buy a 9000 (or beyond) series with more than 16GB of VRAM.

>>109015533
5070 ti, 5080 and 5090 are too overpriced to be recced in a regular gaming scenario, but they're the high end

5070 is the value king

amd is the "why would you?" tier

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>>109015551
>amd is the "why would you?" tier
Because Nvidia sucks ass on Linux.
>5070
>12GB VRAM
Like what. I'm giving up 25% of my VRAM for a 5% push in raster performance? If I was esports 1080p gaymin then sure makes sense, but I'm on a 1440p setup and 12GB is going to get eaten up on anything more than modern indie games. 16GB already feels like its being threatened, and I'm going to have a way worse time when my VRAM is completely smashed than I am from having slighly lower average fps.

The next card I'm buying is 20GB minimum and hopefully 24 or 32. I initally had hopes the 9080 XT would release with 20 or 24GB this generation but AMD has absolutely given up for the time being on RDNA4. Saying the 5070 is the value king seems short-sighted.

>>109015614
>25% of my VRAM for a 5% push in raster performance
that's insane, the 9070xt has 40% better rasterization than the 5070

>>109015614
>but I'm on a 1440p setup and 12GB is going to get eaten up on anything more than modern indie games
Where do you people read these things? Because there's no way you would come to the conclusion actually playing games. Even at 4k you run out of just raw performance way before memory is an issue in basically everything.
>>109015641
>40% better rasterization
Try like a bit more than half that number.

why does adrenaline hang up so frequently, sometimes I cannot even open it even after killing it via task manager

>>109015591
>same manufacturing process
Nope, it's still 5nm vs 7nm.
Only the way X3D is stacked and connected changed with those new 5800X3Ds.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-had-to-re-engineer-the-ryzen-7-5800x3d-for-a-re-release-10th-anniversary-edition-chip-had-a-whole-body-of-engineering-work-put-into-it

>>109015688
Bloatware does bloatware things, there are multiple processes you have to kill.

>>109015693
yeah, and I assume the new soic bonding technique is responsible for a lot of the energy efficiency in the 7800x3d

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What gpu is this?

>>109015717
ROG astral

>>109015641
>Source: anon's ass
>>109015664
>Even at 4k you run out of just raw performance way before memory is an issue in basically everything.
AAA games releasing right now are using 12-16GB on high-res textures. Yeah there's little point in giving a card which never had hopes of pushing more than 1080p huge amounts of VRAM, but I have one main counterpoint.

If I'm spending a thou on a GPU I want it to remain relevant for at least 4-5 years. The current trend of pushing higher VRAM usage with games will easily see 16GB+ be cracked within 2030. 8GB cards being purchased 2 or 3 years ago are already being bumped off the min-spec list of certain games. The fucking 5060 Ti STILL ships with 8GB of VRAM which is deplorable. I could get a used RX 6800 16GB for less money, the same raster performance, and double the VRAM.

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RDNA4 sales have flatlined. It's over sisters

>>109015706
I would not hope for much, just wait for benchmarks.

>>109014074
thats just a react faggot. the njudea video card burning up was some asian guy, i rewatched it last night lol

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>9070 xt's are going for $650 rn
im kinda tempted to buy one

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Which 240mm AIO should i buy for my 9800x3d on mATX case?
I have never used AIOs before

>>109015873
240mms are a joke

Microcenter has this bundle for $680. Looks like a good deal? Upgrading from a Ryzen 5 5600X
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
Gigabyte B850 Gaming X WiFi6E AM5
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit

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Can a very demanding game damage my PC parts? The game in question is Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 and my specs are:
>9060 XT 16GB VRAM
>5700X3D
>16GB Ram
The game will probably run with everything at 100%, should I just not play it in order to preserve my parts?

>>109015976
yeah, it's alright, could be cheaper

>>109015978
it's not going to damage anything if you have proper airflow, good/fresh thermal paste and undervolt your cpu and gpu, which you should have regardless of playing hard to run games or not

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is there any pratical reason for these little U shaped cutouts and for the folds on the panel where you put the motherboard?

>>109015849
Why can't autistic niggas control their faces this dude looks retarded

>>109016141
they're masturbating

>>109016057
To make the act as springs for the contacts to make ground-contact and make them compliant for EMI emissivity and insulation.

The folds are for rigidity.

>>109015945
240s are fine. 120s are the joke.
>>109015978
It's impossible to damage hardware by running games unless you specficially go out of your way to disable the failsafes / overclock too far.
If you choke your system with no air or heat dissapation, it'll just shut off. Old hardware from the 00s and beyond didnt have the same level of modern failsafes built-in so theoretically yes you could cook them. Modern shit is bulletproof.

>>109016057
>cutouts
if your sidepanel is loose, you can bend them slightly outwards to apply pressure to the sidepanel
>embossed area
no

Retard question... Does manufacturer and model of a GPU make a huge difference? I'm looking at this two-fan from MSI: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 SHADOW 2X OC Dual Fan 12GB GDDR7 PCIe 5.0 Graphics Card because it's the cheapest

>>109016296
Not really, no. Just look around the interwebs to check if people are complaining about whichever specific gpu you're curious about. MSI stuff, with maybe the exception of laptops, tends to be fine

>>109016296
the features can be cheaped out on
say the heatsink is smaller, shittier fans so it runs hotter and noisier
maybe the energy delivery is cheap
maybe they dont use ptm pads
maybe it has only 1 hdmi port

so Id look at gpus that look good on a noise comparison test, has ptm pads, 2 hdmi ports

>>109016296
meh
5070 undervolts really well anyways.

Is it worth buying amd 9070xt i have 2060 and im affraid of crashes as nvidia had no problems at all. I remember back then amd was so unstable…

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>>109016433
Just buy a 5070 for a confirmed decade+ of support and usable drivers

>>109016433
nvidia app has a feature to turn sdr video content into hdr using AI, amd doesnt
you dont want to use your oled monitor in sdr mode do you?

>>109016057
Maybe a legacy ATX spec for RF interference mitigations.

>ai

>>109016296
For Nvidia, not really.
Nvidia has it so all the cards run at the same core clock ensuring they're all more or less the same baseline performance with some benefits to overclocking.
AMD lets manufacturers fuck with the core clock, so value lines have a lower clock and less performance.

>>109015978
>Amazon New World

>>109016296
>gpu manufacturer make a huge difference?
All the tier-1 manufacturers are competent.
The difference is after-sales.

>ASSUS x870e 2006 version ships tomorrow
>their shitty Q-connector LC IV AIO has no delivery date yet
>Cronox case supposedly earliest july as well
kinda sucks but amazon usually isn't stingy at least if there is a damage even after one or two months.

the more you shill the 5070 the less I trust you. the more someone else shills amd the less I trust them. just shut the fuck up and act like a normal person. how fucking hard is it? nvidia vs amd, android vs iphone, windows vs linux, AI, and just on and on with everything it's fucking inescapable in this shithole. why do all of you have to be so fucking annoying?

>>109016709
theres been a schizo/ai bot shitting up these threads for over a year now
only way to make the threads "less annoying" would be to enable barriers for that behavior, eg accounts

>>109016709
It's not shilling if the 5070 is by far the most reasonable option of the current gen gpus

>>109016750
I need to install an extension to filter at least some of these parasites out because at this rate I'm going to have a conniption

>>109016893
sorry but theres no "filter mentally ills/bots" extension for 4chan yet
I guess you could use an AI summarizer thing to make a value judgement on how insane the post is and hide ones above a certain threshold.

>>109016709
Based.
Now buy 5070 :^)

>>109016908
I was thinking of filtering out specific phrases like "luddite", "nvidiots", "amshit", and temporarily filtering "5070" for this specific thread (if that's possible) in spite of the collateral damage

Tempted to go grab the PNY 5080 just sitting up in my local Best Buy for $1289. Thats a decent price for a 5080, but maybe I'll wait for the July 4th sales to see if that drives it down more...

>>109016942
5070 is simply the best gpu rn so, I dont see why you need to stress about it
5060 ti is much weaker in games, 5070 ti is much more expensive
amd has no nvidia features

big woop

>>109016942
>filtering out 5070
Mental illness, why does one of the most popular gpus of all time make you seethe so much?
Also you're a troon luddite :)

3090 = 5070, no?

5070 12gb ram thats not enough

>>109016982
Roughly. Raster and light rt it usually goes the 5070 is faster at lower resolutions and then near 4k even without hitting 12gb the 90 will be either even or faster. Path tracing and heavy rt 5070 will win no matter what, especially after ray reconstruction.
Also new dlss presets aren't really viable on Ampere
>>109017013
>muh vram

>>109017038
Yeah I grabbed a used 3090 for a 1440p screen for the VRAM, funnily enough what I feel like I'm missing out on more aren't the newer DLSS toys but rather the faster NVFP instructions for inference. Eh, hopefully we'll see affordable enthusiast GPU's post-bubble once it's no longer feasible for Jensen to rip people off on those as much.

>>109017013
I'm debating between a $600 5070 vs a $880 5070 ti right now. That extra $280 on 1440p doesn't seem worth it, especially if prices do come down and the 60 series is a big leap with better models. I'd rather suffer "FOMO" than regret

>>109017221
880$ is somewhat reasonable since vram is so expensive

on 1440p it can be still useful if you have one of those high hz oled monitors, you get great clarity in games

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>>109016944
alright so real quick let me tell you a story about how gpus get worse now i walked into the best buy store and i remember the exact gpu i wanted it was a argb pny 5080 oc so im like ayy can i get a pny 5080 oc gpu and this dude genuinely says and this is the first time anyone told me this before at an electronics store "uhh yeah sure man i got you but if it fails we cant rma it for you" and i was mindboggled by what he said i was like what is he dude talking about when it dies like after a couple years or some shit so at this point i had no idea what he was talking about because what kind of monkeybrain is gonna try to return their new $1300+ gpu back same week and i was like yeah sure man its fine i mean i dont think its gonna fail and he was like "alright man i got you" so i drive back to my house and open it put it in my pc get a no signal and im like wow this is some fucking trash what did he sell me so i walk back in there and im like yo bro i think yall sold me a fake one and he was like "yeah man you get what you get you cant return it" and it was at that moment i got robbed by nvidia.

>>109017221
That's pretty decent for a new 5070ti right now, I would just go that route or waitfag more and hope that things are actually better like 2 years from now.

>>109017271
wow, how could nvidia do this?

>>109017241
I'm just not really looking to future proof in this market. I think I'll be able to get a good 2 years out of the 5070 before upgrading to the next series

>>109017298
or you just enable path tracing in games and enjoy having <100 fps on 1440p

>>109017274
I can't really waitfag my 3060ti anymore. I gotta play muh gothic 1 remake

>>109017305
how have people not adopted an attitude of waiting like half a year of perf and bug fixes on new big games

>>109017290
it was my first time ever doing a chargeback and even the bank was sorry this all happened

>>109017305
I would do the 70ti then.
5070 is great too though just to be clear.

>>109017316
I normally do, but the card has been struggling with some other games as well

>>109017316
looking at the past year waitfags got nothing but buttfucked. It maybe gets better IF the ai madness ends eventually but it's always a coin flip

>>109017359
I played zero parades near launch and I had to pause playing near the end because a quest I wanted to resolve required a patch.

>>109017372
yea but if anon wants to play the gothic remake. bugs are part of the gothic experience

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Why does the RTX 5070 make so many people seethe?

>>109017385
Every Nvidia GPU since 4000 series is a step down what it's supposed to be.
5080 = 5070ti
5070ti = 5070
5070 = 5060ti
And so on

>>109017396
it doesnt matter
we dont buy gpus because of the name, we do it based on benchmarks and features

>>109017396
The 5080 is definitely more powerful than the 5070Ti.

>>109017408
You buy based on transistor count and the transistors are getting less for more money.

>>109017416
Nobody can tell the difference between 60fps and 70fps.

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>You buy based on transistor count

>>109017421
>You buy based on transistor count
What a dumbass way to do things

>>109017421
I know you're thinking of those charts the explain relative transistor counts between the top mode and lower end ones but its mostly an indication of other things, like in the 4090 it was first time nvidia made such a huge card and the lower end cards had smaller percentage of its transistor count because they were aimed at a more typical gamer audience and thus were cheaper.

then 5090 continued the trend of having a huge flagship chip, and architectural advances kept perf up even if transistor counts didnt for stuff like 4070-> 5070

5900x
3070ti 8gb
322gb 3600mhz cl16 ram

I can't justify upgrading right now. I have the money, but with these prices, nah. I was going over parts with friends when we were comparing performance in Path of exile 2. And I'm not spending a thousand+ for better fps just for that.
My wife just said "do it, why not you have the money." But I'm also the one doing a better job at saving up for a better quality house.

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>>109017271

>>109017517
>322gb 3600mhz cl16 ram
Looks like we found the source of the ram shortage

>>109017517
8gb cards suck now so
go ahead and buy a 5070 ti
and 5800x3d when that comes out

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every matx matt lee builds is 9800x3d with air cooler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAx4qTaeClw

should i too just get air cooler for my 9800x3d?

>>109017563
yes, only 16 cores should use aios, get a good air cooler like the assassin iv vc elite

>>109017563
it'll eat about 60w during gaming, and maybe 120w during full workload which isnt specially demanding for air coolers

are mATX boards faster and more efficient since they're smaller?

>>109017563
It pulls like 150W tops so anything will work but if you're going to spend $400 on a CPU then a big cooler shouldn't be a hardship.

>>109017574
Anything wrong with getting the phantom assassin 120 SE?

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>>109017517
poogods all use 5800x3d and 9070 xt.

>>109017609
SE? thermalright sell better ones, PA140, and higher end 120s

>>109017396
>If you disable half the card, then it's like you're getting less of an uplift compared to cards where you don't disable half of the cores on it!

>>109017631
I've read the difference between the PA120 and 140 is pretty marginal

>>109017659
the 140 fan throws a lot of air in the vrm heatsinks, it's the type of improvement doesnt get noticed

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>>109017574
>>109017580
>>109017608
which fans should i go with chromax? the noctua fans? or are there any alternatives?

>>109017697
Go with the fans that come with your chosen cooler. If you want Noctua, buy a Noctua cooler.

>>109017713
i dont mean air coolers
i mean case fans

>>109017724
What case are you buying? Most come with fans that are good enough.

>>109017724
I buy the cheap ones, arctics

>>109015488
Use a better operating system. This isn't a problem on my GNU+Linux machine.

so, I've been postponing overclocking my 9070xt forever, it's time to do it
I'm going to use one benchmark to find the max mem clock, which benchmark should I use? superposition?
I can run the card with 2900mhz ram without crashes, but I haven't tested the performance, so ECC misses basically, going to find that number now and set it and forget it

>>109017923
To look for max performance before ECC kicking in, take a look at memtest_vulkan.

>>109017923
I don't think GDDR6 always has built in ECC. It's mostly reserved to professional cards.
GDDR7 has on die ECC for sure.
The best way to OC is to flash secondary BIOS, you are going to be power limited and there is no way to raise voltage without doing hard mods on Radeon cards.
If synthetic benchmark like 3D Mark or superposition crashes it simply means your GPU is very unstable, actual games are more likely to crash.
Memory OC cuts into your Core power budget as well, sometimes it's better to OC the core first.

>>109017923
Superposition is a bit old and not as stressful as some other benchmarks.
Get 3DMark during Steam sales for under $10.
Steel Nomad for raster, Speed Way for RT (more stressful).

If you don't want to buy benchmarks, just run the most intense graphics settings of the game you play.
There's also a fee Wukong benchmark on Steam, but it's based on an earlier UE5.

At some point I paid for the Speedway upgrade (got 3DM before it got released), as well as those useless SSD benchmarks just to consoom and have all the benchmarks with no grayed out options.
I also opted to download the whole thing from 3DM's website and install it outside of Steam.

>>109018059
the thing with the ECC is that when you raise the memclock too high you start getting errors that get corrected so you don't crash but your performance is actually worse than lowering the memclock, that's why you have to bench and find when you're hitting your highest scores
>>109018064
I'm gonna wishlist the 3d mark stuff and use superposition or pirate steel nomad, and use memtest vulkan

My options right now
>9070 XT $630
>5070 $600
>5070 ti $880
Am I missing something or is the 9070 XT a no brainer here?

>>109017923
>>109018064
in all my 6800 and 9070 overclock attempts one of the earliest, most noticeable things to crash was the free time spy (not the paid extreme or any newer benchmarks)

>>109018108
>pirate steel nomad
Steel Nomad is included in the free version of 3DMark (single run benchmark only).

>>109018119
featureset

>>109018123
>free time spy
And there's plenty of people saying Cyberpunk RT/PT exposes their unstable OC even faster.
Stick with Time Spy if you play DX11 feature set games released in 2016.
When you test raster-only benchmarks/game settings, there are parts of the GPU that are idling (RT & matrix compute units for upscaling).

This is why the NVIDIA feature set test in 3DMark is an even better GPU stress test than Speed Way; it'srunning RT, upscaling, and FG.

>>109018136
steel nomad is in the demo? I'll get it then

>>109018145
What's that?

>>109018278
have you done any research into pc graphics past 5 years

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im calling it now, the gpu crisis is over, you can get 2070 laptops for <$250 all day

>>109018395
I wish that was the case in my country, those craptops are over 500€. Overall garbage specs. Damaged laptops with 3060 and 10th gen intel are around 300€. I might start repairing this shit just for fun.

So how are prices for each component looking compared to lets say a couple months ago? I know ram still sucks but I saw some not bad deals for gpus.

>>109018458
not much has changed
compared to pre 2026 ssds are double, ram 4x, desirable nvidia gpus msrp + 20%

i have a 4070
if I do get the 5800x3d when it's out, can I expect my pc to last 5-6 more years? or should i just keep saving for one big upgrade later?

>>109018438
i have gotten into it and reselling these, i have had 0 luck with boards so far, one has a shorted chipset, one wont turn on the mosfets and the boardview doesnt say where the pd controller gets power, the other one works it just randomly wont detect any usb or drives. so far people are buying about 1 laptop a week off my facebook, not sustainable but it is money

>>109018119
What you're missing is certain announcements are pending, that might cause a price drop.

But, in this market, maybe not. :|

>>109018471
5800x3d is going to be good enough until zen 8 at least from what we know about zen 6 and 7

>>109018507
Thanks. I'll try to get the 5800x3d, then start saving for a gpu upgrade when the 60 series is out.

>>109018521
>5800x3d
This is a gaming-centric choice, by the way.

>>109018395
>>109018438
How would these be as a budget desktop replacement? And is there anyone who has transferred laptop components to a pc case for good cooling?
>>109018467
Grim. It really is over.

>>109018525
Yea, I mostly use my pc for gaming.

>>109018467
>desirable nvidia gpus msrp + 20%
the 5090 is currently almost double its msrp...

>>109018544
see >>109014690

its only 0.46% of steam hardware survey
thats almost amd levels of unpopularity

Buy now lads, prices are going to double by Q3/Q4

>>109018589
waiting for the inevitable crash

ps6 has like 6 cores, so that means a 5500x3d will be a good enough gaming cpu for the next 8 years, let that sink in

>>109018668
>ps6 has 6 cores
and no games...

>>109018668
https://overclock3d.net/news/misc/full-playstation-6-console-specifications-leak-unveiling-huge-performance-boost/

handheld 6
actual console 10

Walmart has Gigabyte RX 9070 XT in white for $650 which is the lowest I've seen it in a while

Does Gigabyte still have thermal paste issues with the newer batch of cards being shipped out in 2026?

>>109018681
it's only a issue if you use it vertically

>>109018679
well games need to run on the handheld so 6 cores should be enough, and ps6 doesn't have 3d vcache too

>>109018290
Actually, no. I got a 3070 and haven't thought about upgrading until now
>>109018496
Qrd?

>>109018713
he means the super announcement, which is actually vaporware and won't happen unless the ai bubble pops

>>109018713
>Qrd?
He's coping

no way ps6 will be zen6. consoles always have poopy cpus. even ps5 at launch was zen2 when zen3 was coming out.

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>>109018713

typically people buy nvidia for the best quality upscaling, frame gen, ray tracing
you use nvidia app and get those driver updates preceding a big game launch

>>109018713
What resolution do you play on? 5070ti has the better features (dlss, cuda, raytracing, framegen, etc) but has the nvidia tax. 5070 is not a bad choice. 9070xt if you want just pure raster and don't care about other shit (amd is also better on linux from what I have heard).

>>109018290
>>109018713
>>109018751
marketing bullshit its like saying "why dont you use iphone or mac"

>>109018763
Those features you're talking about are DirectX SDK APK standard and FSR4 is better btw

>>109018763
5070ti is dogshit on Windows 10, 11, and Linux with today's drivers.

>>109018713
Nvidia current gen sucks software wise on Windows

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This is the reality of Nvidia vs Radeon in 2026 btw

AMD stock price vs Nvidia stock price

look it up

and you wonder why people recommend 9070XT

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>>109018713
>I got a 3070
Perfect gpu upgrade for you :The RTX 5070

>>109018774
>>109018800
path tracing isnt really relevant before 60xx and next gen consoles
you certainly dont buy 5070 for it

uhh is shit cheap yet?

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>>109018808
Prove it

Is there a good upgrade to my 4070 that's not a 5090?

>>109018868
id wait for 60xx

rdr is clownish.

>>109018868
>Is there a good upgrade to my 4070 that's not a 5090?
No.

>>109018868
9070xt is the only card worth buying in price/performance ever since the crypto boom really
better than any rdna3 card, better than any series 50 and 40 card

>>109013117
It's got the BIG L3 cache, so yeah.

>>109013203
In 2 years from now everyone and their dog will get a PTX 60XX anyway.

>>109013092
You won't get more VRAM with it.

>>109018751
>>109018763
>>109018800
I'm playing on 1440p. I really don't see how a 5070 would be better than 9070 XT. Maybe nvidia does ray tracing better but wouldn't that difference be minimal with the XT's increased performance?

>>109018983
yeah the 9070xt is pretty good, the rt aspect got better from previous gens, the fsr4 has machine learning upscaling

but nvidia is still better for the most part since dlss transformed model can upscale from a lower base res while looking better, 50xx has multi frame gen which helps smooth the image, and while 90xx are good at RT nvidia is still better at path tracing.

Seeing prices drop and specs improve for monitors it's fun. At least that market is doing fine. Maybe in a couple of years we will finally see a monitor worth buying.

>>109018983
>difference be minimal with the XT's increased performance
Amd still can't do pathtracing, and even if it could there's no good de-noising available.
And DLSS is good enough now that you can target 720p or lower internally
And you don't have to worry about Nvidia randomly deciding to abandon your gpu 3 years from now.

>>109018868
Just stick with the 4070.
90XX can't do DLSS or raytracing, 50XX is overpowered.
AMD might be competitive next gen, but it's trash right now.

>>109018821
With PT on in Cyberpunk, the reflections on the cars don't show nearby cars. Just stick to RT Ultra

>>109019172
PT mostly impacts environment lighting so its more accurate with how a bouncing light colors nearby sufraces
and characters look much, much better with it
objects look more grounded in the environment thanks to the bouncy color and accurate shadows

>>109019172
Well lighting is what really gets good with pt, just standard rt reflections were good enough, and at any rate it's still better than ssr slop

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1957032-REG/apple_mbp_m5p_03_14_macbook_pro_m5.html

so uh, im kinda considering buying this even though i know i shouldnt....

should i just build a pc? im really tired of full tower pcs...

>>109019285
Buy crapple and get fucked.
Seriously do it.

>look mom, I posted it again

>>109019293
We are actually all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.

>>109019313
Yes, and I hate it.

>>109019289
I'm just baiting. I'm not buying any more apple products. Future macbooks will likely be so locked down that you can't even use them without an apple id anyway. And I use my current mac without an apple id.

It's a good runescape machine but that's about it.

>>109018529
there's a pinout for 30/40 pin edps somewhere... or you can just displayport to your main display and tape it to the back of your monitor. why would you want it inside a case?

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I got a baby fan for my PC.
Where should I put it?

>>109019743
pointing at your cpu's VRMs

>>109019743
butthole

My AMD gpu doesn't report what I do with it back to mossad.